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I just read some testimonies of former witches and wiccans.  Their stories were pretty heavy, probably too heavy to post here.  Some were driven even to attempt suicide before getting delivered by Christ.  They said the spirit world of the devil and demons is definitely there and it's important not to open any doors to it.  One man is now a pastor and tries to help others in witchcraft, new age and liberal church beliefs.   His ministry is www.refugeministries.cc

An important thing to note:  They say Wicca is the fastest growing religion among teenagers!!

Frightening thought!  But it makes sense.   I think "Christianity" has become so watered down it doesn't satisfy.  We are literally too ashamed to stand for the Truth and minister that Truth to this lost and dying world.  They need fed, and not just coffee and doughnuts.

Christians can and should yield to the Holy Spirit in their lives.  This is a reality.  Perhaps alot of teens don't realize that walking with the Lord in our daily life is real....not just doctrine.

Hello Debp,

YES - the devil is alive, well, busy, and quite real. The devil is just as real as CHRIST, but they are obviously opposites - one from DARKNESS and one from LIGHT. As Christians know, JESUS CHRIST is the LIGHT!

This will probably sound like I'm paranoid, but I firmly believe that various kinds of exposure to DARKNESS is very dangerous. In fact, it's many times like playing with fire for young people. The devil is still quite able to snare and devour, just as he's always been able to.

SO, I view many types of dark material as if they are poison, and they really are. We really don't know how the devil will use them or what the final result will be for the person who experimented in the dark with the devil. This I would repeat again - the devil is quite real, and his power is quite real. The devil even has some power over Christians from time to time, especially the babes in CHRIST who are not strong in the LORD.

I wish that all Christians did know that there is spiritual warfare going on all around us every day, and the opposing powers are MOST REAL. The one side is darkness and death versus the other side of LIGHT and LIFE. One side is very adept at using temporary pleasures to woo the victim into the snare. There are many times even signs and wonders of the powers of darkness because the power is real - not imagined. There really is a BOOGIE MAN in the dark, and he's quite real. He's known in the Bible by many names, and his powers should be unquestioned by human beings, especially Christians.

I would hope that most Christians know that we are not free from the power of the devil in this short life. Our LORD and MASTER, JESUS CHRIST is obviously much more powerful than our adversary and HIS, but the devil is still capable of harming us or robbing us of some of our joy. This is why Christians are warned from the Bible to put on the "WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD". In and of ourselves, we don't have any strength. Our strength is ONLY in JESUS CHRIST. As a result, Christians should not play games with the devil or run in and out of his traps as some sort of a challenge for GOD to protect us. The devil is a great thief, and he is quite capable of robbing Christians. He can't rob us of our Salvation, but he can rob us of some of our strength and joy in CHRIST.

I hope that I put my thoughts in a way that they can be understood in the way that I meant them. If not, please understand that my basic thought is that even strong Christians should not play with the devil in any way. There is also good reasons why we shouldn't stand on a railroad track with a train coming and asking GOD to protect us. GOD is quite capable of protecting us and defeating the devil in any situation that GOD wants to, but that doesn't mean that HE will protect us from our own stupidity in all cases. Maybe my last thoughts made things even worse for those trying to understand this post. I hope not.

Let me simply say that I know where the fire is, and I don't want to walk through the fire, nor do I want my children or grandchildren to walk through the fire.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Ephesians 1:11-14 NASB  also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.

Amen, brother. Purposefully exposing ourselves or letting our children to be exposed to the things of the devil is simply asking for trouble.

Yes, I definitely agree that Christians or other people should not open any doors to the evil one and his demons.  In posting the website with the testimonies of former witches/wiccans, I hope some will read them and realize that the occult is nothing to mess with.  The testimonies also show the delivering power of Jesus Christ....even when people are deep in darkness.

There is so much in our everyday lives that go back to rituals of Darkness that even the best Christians  do things that go back to paganism and don't even know it.
Wish upon a star.
Carry a rabbit's foot.
How about a lucky fishing hat or golf shirt?
Then the one so many don't even think about. Make a wish and blow out the candles.
Don't walk under a ladder or cross the path of a black cat.
Many of the seemingly harmless jesters go right back to Dark Rituals.
You really have to watch what the designs are on clothing and jewelery to. Old Satan is trying to get to us as hard as he can. We can never let our guard down or he will slither right on in.

Hello Okie,

You make some excellent points. I was just thinking that even our days of the week are named after pagan gods (i.e. Monday, Tuesday, etc.). There are a lot of everyday things that have ties to other gods. You are right, most Christians don't have a clue in most cases, and most Christians have no intention to give any honor or worship to a pagan GOD by calling today Thursday. "Thursday" for me is just another day to worship GOD, and "Thursday" belongs to GOD - just like all 7 days of the week and every day of the year.

I think that the important thing for all Christians is to honor, worship, and praise GOD 24/7. I would further say that everything in CREATION belongs to GOD and HE will do with it as HE pleases. This will include the ending for the devil and the devil's hosts. Things do get fairly complicated in many cases, and I'll use an example of a person worshipping a tree. I have no problem in admiring a tree and enjoying beauty, but I have uppermost in my mind that GOD made the tree and I'm looking at GOD'S Handiwork. So, there's nothing in the tree for me to worship, rather the CREATOR of that tree. We should know that some people use trees and other things for evil purposes in their worship of other GODS, but that has nothing to do with me. I can look at and admire GOD'S Handiwork any time I want to with no guilt of any kind.

The point I would like to make is that almost everything has some connection to something bad. It really depends on the person and their intended purpose. SO, I would simply say that there is nothing wrong or evil about me looking at a tree or saying that today is Thursday. There would be countless examples. I know who the MASTER is, and I worship HIM alone. The story changes when people start worshipping other masters with a little "m" and use things, objects, or portions of nature in their worship of false gods and the devil. For Christians, that tree and Thursday belong to the ONE and ONLY ALMIGHTY GOD - not the devil.

In short, I rest in CHRIST 24/7 and will for eternity. SO, I wouldn't care how the days are named or what order they come in. For me, they all belong to GOD and I belong to GOD. I was in police work for 25 years and saw some real satanic ceremonies that involve some common and ordinary things used in extraordinary ways while calling upon and honoring the devil. In fact, the ceremonies and rituals were for the specific purpose of worshipping and praising the devil. There's no way that a Christian should even play-act at such things. BUT, this doesn't mean that I should fear looking at a tree or calling today Thursday. The same would be true for me becoming unglued or afraid over some superstition like a black cat crossing my path. I could really care less about the black cat unless it attacks me. On the opposite side of the coin, I know that satanists have rituals involving all kinds of animals, including cats. Humans are also the victims of some rituals by satan worshipers.

I won't be involved in any rituals or ceremonies to other gods, and I don't plan to avoid looking at black cats or trees.   ;)  Reason is good, but we can take fear too far.  The fall of man was due to disobeying GOD and eating a forbidden fruit, but I have no fear of eating fruit. I will simply give thanks to GOD for it.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 11:33 NASB  Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!

Excellent post!  (Where's the 'thumbs up' smiley when you need it?)

Reading this thread reminded me of two dangerous incidents I participated in with a group of friends.  One while in high school, and one in college.  Although we had all been raised in Christian churches, we simply didn't realize what we were doing.  We were 'raised' as Christians, but did not really have a personal relationship with Jesus at that time.  The incident in high school involved a Ouija board.  We had a portrait of my ancestors that had been in my dad's family for many years.  We were trying to 'communicate' with the little girl in the portrait.  In college, we were experimenting with marijuana and decided to 'bring back' Jimi Hendricks (of all people).  I won't elaborate (pure blasphemy).  However, it involved hard rock music and candles.  Suddenly, all of the candles began to flicker in unison with the beat of the music, never missing a beat.  We all were frightened beyond description, and never delved into anything like that again. 

Needless to say, each of these incidents could have opened very dark doors.  I am convinced God saved us from ourselves, realizing we were ignorant.  I shudder when I think of what could have transpired.  Praise the Lord, all who have remained friends are saved, and truly have personal relationships with Jesus.  One is a minister now and can't believe we actually did that. 

I mention these experiences as a warning to teenagers and young adults visiting this forum who may think it's harmless to experiment with darkness.  It is extremely dangerous.  I am sure there are many who were not as blessed to have survived youthful stupidity.  I thank the Lord, He renewed my spirit, and brought me into the Light.  Never entertain the devil!

My wife was a professing wiccan for 8 years before she became a christian. She is a great example of persistance when it involves conversion. For years she keppt blowing off Christ and was actually an avid person against christianity. but one person who cared enough about her to keep slowly reminding her that God loves her, over time that made the difference.

Joshua

Thanks very much for sharing this!!

Praise God!!  This gives us all hope to never give up on a person.  God is able to bring them to Himself, although it might take time.

I recently had to leave a church because they found nothing wrong with the Harry Potter series. How can Christians condone the reading and enjoyment of such materials when these books are sooo against what God says is acceptable? These things are damaging people...how can a church that is supposed to care about the condition of the souls of men promote such things? It is so disheartening. Anyone have any answers?

There are many such churches today that advocating the things of this world, compromising with the devil in order to pander to the desires of worldly things. We see churches advocating homosexuality, abortion and many other things against the word of God.

It's sad that they didn't realize that the Harry Potter books could be a huge stumbling block to some people.

I likewise had to leave a church that used to have very good pastors because the current pastor there thinks homosexual behavior is ok!!  (He pushed this from the pulpit and practicing homosexuals started to attend this church and even became deacons, etc.)    Things really got mixed up in some churches today.  You just have to keep your own faith in the Lord and find a church that is still believing in the Word of God.

Hello Lioness,

I don't know very much about the Harry Potter stuff, so I don't have an informed opinion. I've heard some people say that it was innocent fantasy and some say that it was evil.

My first thought involves breaking fellowship and what would be a just cause for breaking fellowship with another Brother and Sister in Christ. As an example, some Christians celebrate Christmas and Easter, and some Christians think this is evil, regardless of what the Christians actually do. I also don't know very much about the "Lord of the Rings" series, and there is Christian disagreement about this also. Many say these have heavy morals and Christian undertones, and others say they are evil. I don't know, but I do know that there are many things that divide Christians these days. I guess this could be one reason why we have so many different denominations and denominations within denominations. We have tags and labels for everything. So, many things boil down to a matter of individual conscience and decisions.

By the way, I'm not suggesting that you compromise your conscience, values, or morals for the purpose of Christian fellowship. BUT, I would say that we are all right and wrong on many issues. This world is a confusing place, and Christians are only here for a short period of time. As a final thought, I would like to offer an opinion about other REAL Christians, and the key would be "REAL". It isn't a good thing to condemn other Brothers and Sisters in CHRIST over a difference. We do need to remember that we are all wrong on some issues, and all of us make mistakes. Now, we are back to something that I want to repeat one more time: if you have a conviction of conscience - don't compromise it. If a Christian feels that something is wrong in the eyes of GOD, it is wrong unless GOD convicts them otherwise. This is a Biblical principle that's hard to understand for many people, and we will all make mistakes.

I give thanks for these last several words - "There is NO condemnation in CHRIST!" Real Christians disagree about many things. All of us will be wrong in some issues, all of us will make some mistakes, and all of us have need to continually ask GOD for forgiveness for things that are wrong in our lives. Our living testimony for CHRIST and prayer for guidance should be at the top of our priority list in determining matters of conscience, decisions, and what we will do or not do in our daily lives.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Colossians 1:9-12 NASB  For this reason also, since the day we heard of it, we have not ceased to pray for you and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.

1 Corinthians 12:27 NASB  Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it.

I just added another sentence to my post #16 (it's in bold) which some of you might be interested in reading.

You were right in leaving that "church" sister as it was not a church led by God.

Yes, I know....and they had so many godly pastors previously.  My mom still gets their newsletter (she's on the mailing list).  It is rare that they say anything about God in the newsletter and the name of Christ is never mentioned in the newsletter (except at Christmas or maybe Easter).  I think the pastor tried to please people instead of God and now it's like a big Pandora's Box has been opened there.

My mom comes to church with me but she still knows some elderly ladies that go to that other church.  I couldn't keep going there.   I told the pastor why I wasn't going to go there anymore.  He was very surprised (maybe he thought I was one since I am single!) and said he thought the homosexuals were like the lepers of Jesus' day!  Of course, I told him I believe the Word of God teaches it is an abomination to God and it is a sin just like adultery, etc, to be resisted.

Now I also realize I could have said "but leporsy was (is) contagious and that's why the people in Jesus' day had to stay away from them.  It wasn't a moral issue."

Of course, if gays wish to attend church seeking the Lord, that is alright, of course.  But the church should stay true to the Word of God.

Hello Debp,

Sister, that removed any doubt or question. YES - I would be in a different church and probably walk out of that service.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 1:1-3 NASB  How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers! But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night. He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, Which yields its fruit in its season And its leaf does not wither; And in whatever he does, he prospers.

BUT, if I am not mistaken ... those who had this were healed ..those who became believers in Jesus.

I was referring to the fact that lepers in Jesus' day had to call out "unclean, unclean" when they saw any people....and they also had to stay several feet away from people.  I forgot how many feet but I learned this in Bible college.

Amen, that's what we did.  They even sang "hymns" about gays and lesbians!  Once they showed a movie (this was early on before we realized how far this church had gone away from the Bible)....mom and I thought it was going to be a movie about homosexuals that had come to know Jesus as their personal Savior.  Instead it was a movie making fun of and condemning people that tried to reach "gays" for Christ!  We were speechless after the movie....then they had a question/answer time.

A woman that had been "gay" and was then studying for the ministry stood up and gave her testimony after the movie, that Christ can deliver people from the "gay" lifestyle.  Mom and I greeted her afterwards and said we were so glad to hear her testimony.  Another man who used to attend that church also attended the movie and he said to the people, "you people sure don't read the book of Romans".

An interesting note:  The woman that had been gay and was in the seminary stood up to speak at the National Assembly of this denomination (Presbyterian (USA).  She was shouted down by the gays at the assembly!!  They would not let her speak!!  This was told to me by a person who personally knew this woman.

Hello Debp,

Knowledge of sin and conviction is always one of the first steps to Salvation. If humans didn't do horribly wrong things, JESUS wouldn't have needed to die on the CROSS for us. We were all in desperate need of forgiveness, repentance, and rescue from the curse of sin and death in our lives at one time. Here's a simple analogy that is completely true. The pit of darkness that we were all in at one time stinks and is full of misery and despair. We wake up one day and realize that the stinking darkness is misery and look up to see the hands of JESUS reaching down to pull us out of the pit and into the LIGHT. This is a beautiful moment, one that we will all remember for the rest of our lives. There is joy now that we recognize there is something more than darkness and stench, and we love the ONE who pulled us out of the pit. We remember the pit, and we don't want to go back. We now have a conscience, and we feel bad when we do things that were common in the darkness and stench of that pit.

NOW, here's the main thought of this analogy: some people love the stench and darkness of that pit, and they want to stay in that pit and have Salvation from it at the same time. It just doesn't work this way. One can't get the stench and filth of that pit ever washed off if they refuse to come out of it and love wallowing in it more than they want to be rescued from it. We all slip and stumble from time to time and get some filth on us, but there is a difference with Christians who have been rescued from that stinking pit. We don't wallow in the bottom of that pit - loving it - and begging to be washed off while we are neck deep in filth that stinks. The analogy becomes a very simple choice: what do we enjoy and want the most - 1) wallowing in the stinking darkness of that pit or 2) standing in the LIGHT and wanting to stay away from that dark and stinking pit. Isn't this an easy question to answer by all real Christians? YES! - we hate that stinking pit, and we don't want to go back. Our MASTER is in the LIGHT and the fresh air. Our old master is in the stinking darkness, and he wants us back. Does it get any more simple than this?


Love In Christ,
Tom

Revelation 21:3-4 NASB  And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away."

I agree.  But the practicing homosexuals in churches are trying to say their behavior is alright...so they will not have to forsake their sin.  And as you know, some of the pastors/leaders are believing this lie as well....the blind leading the blind.

They will have the just rewards meted out to them in time.



Jud 1:4  For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jud 1:5  I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jud 1:6  And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7  Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jud 1:4  For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jud 1:5  I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jud 1:6  And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7  Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jud 1:17  But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jud 1:18  How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Hello Debp,

It sounds like we are all in complete agreement on this issue. Bluntly, I don't consider these places you describe as churches. They would do just as well in being a gay bar and not misleading people with all the lies. Only the pure and full-strength Gospel of the Grace of GOD will help these people. Some so-called churches are neck-deep in the filth of the same pit. These so-called churches are about the business of feeling better about wallowing in the bottom of the pit - NOT being rescued from it by JESUS. In reality, these so-called churches are trying to teach people how to enjoy sin without the guilt. That's a waste of time and can't be done.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Ephesians 6:10-17 NASB  Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Stand firm therefore, HAVING GIRDED YOUR LOINS WITH TRUTH, and HAVING PUT ON THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, and having shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE; in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

It's funny how some think sin should be tolerated in the name of unity...that's not  unity, it's compromise. We need to love and accept the sinner but never approve of their sin.

Amen, Lioness!

I agree.

AMEN LIONESS!

There is only one worthy "UNITY" defined in the Bible, and that would be "THE UNITY OF THE SPIRIT". All truly saved Christians have the same SPIRIT living in their hearts, "THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD". In fact, their hearts are "SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD" as a pledge of the promises of GOD and to set that person apart as a possession of JESUS CHRIST. This SEAL can't be broken by any power in the universe. Real Christians may have many differences in this short life, but the presence of the HOLY SPIRIT in their hearts is NOT one of the differences.

Men separate and divide many ways with denominations, tags, labels, and just about every way that man can think of, BUT those with the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD living in their hearts will be spending eternity together with JESUS CHRIST. All of the man-made divisions will be left behind. Our fellowship here is based on the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, not man-made divisions. It is possible for real Christians of various denominations to have fellowship together.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Galatians 2:19-21 NASB  "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God. "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

Ephesians 3:11-13 NASB  This was in accordance with the eternal purpose which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and confident access through faith in Him. Therefore I ask you not to lose heart at my tribulations on your behalf, for they are your glory.

Romans 4:20-21 NASB  yet, with respect to the promise of God, he did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God, and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

We are under attack daily by television, by movies, by magazines, by newspapers, by the radio, by the computer telling us that occultism and witchcraft is a desirable and acceptable thing. And trying to explain to someone in Wicca or Heathenism, or anyother -ism that does not promote Christian beliefs, the dangers of dabbling into demonic things is dangerous, well they just don't see the danger. They don't see the harm of using "white" witchcraft.
And some churches have allowed in secular music into their worship. I saw on TV where one church was worshiping using the music of Bono. The world sees him as a savior type.
One of the most difficult things to be today is a Christian. The devil is attempting to wear us down and he really knows how to pull the strings.
Christianity is under attack in our homes, our schools, our colleges, our work places and in our churches. There is an all-out attempt to change Christian holidays and erase all references to Christ or Christianity. Rosie O'Donnell has compaired radial Christianity to radical Islamism saying they are just as dangerous. When was the last time you saw a Christian strap a bomb to their baby and throw it in a car?

Christ, Christians and Christianity is looked on as something to be eliminated. But this is nothing new. The cross is looked upon as an offense by the world but we who are saved look upon it as life.

How do you refine gold? By putting the gold into fire and heating it, the goldsmith knows when the gold is pure when he sees his own reflection in it.

God is turning the heat up. He wants His children to reflect Him. That's all that's going on.

Pray, Rejoice and Praise because our Lord is coming soon. You know how I know? I looked in the back the book!! Guess what? HE WINS!!!!

Hi baxley,

Rosie did not compare "radical" Christianity to radical islamists. She compared fundamental Christians as being as dangerous as radical islamists. There is a difference. Their are some radicals that do claim to be Christian. Some of these are in the liberal camp and would not hesitate to use violence to achieve their agendas. There was an anti-war "Christian" group just recently that has participated in a number of violent civil acts, not acting in a Christian manner at all. Your statement is very correct when it is applied to true Christians that have and know the true love of Christ.

Good to know, thanks. I heard that statement on Bill O'Reilly so maybe I misunderstood. Thanks for the correction.

Isn't that the craziest thing to do violence in order to protest the war?!!  Of course, they are deceived by the evil one....as you mention, Pastor Roger, true Christians have and know the love of Christ.  Or, if temporarily, they step outside of this...they will be convicted by the Holy Spirit and come back into fellowship with the Lord.

The occult is very subtle...Compromise has made it comfortable in our homes and in our churces...Many churches have no idea they intertain and are intertained by the occult...I do not think it is a good idea for those who have recently come out of the occult to minister to those still in the occult..but to be discipled and to grow in the Lord...to bear fruit of repentance...over a period of time...It is for us all that come to the Lord to wait on the Lord and to be discipled and to know the ministry God gives is from God an not from our old life. It could be that God will do a new thing and lead you elsewhere and did not call you to where you think you should be...I have been to meetings where ther have been people who say they have been delivered from whatever sin and are in a ministry a month or two after being saved...and the next thing, they are back where they were after the wind blows too hard and they cannot stand because they have not learned to trust...

Maryjane