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Wentzville, Missouri, hosting a "new type" (hehe)--with parental approval--of haunted house...

http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article_lc.asp?storyid=48404


"A controversial haunted house in Wentzville opened Friday night, under the watchful eyes of police and city officials..."

I hate this holiday.  >:(
Seems people will continue to push the envelope.

God, these kids need to be stupid slapped. Repeatedly. It is deviants like that that they made woodsheds for! People go way to far on this holiday! What next, Christian Haunted houses? Oh, wait... ;D

Its my FAVORITE Worldly Holiday. "Trick or Treat" I LOVE CANDY ;D

This year I am going to dress up like (Benny Hinn) ;D

HAPPY Halloween Everyone ;D

    As we get closer to the end it will get worse, remember  "we are not of the world"
   JN 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
    JN 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world
     JN 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
     
      I don't know about you, but I'm glad that I'm not of the World! I AM GOD'S

On this holiday we teach our children, that they get rewarded for being a witch, demon, or monster.
We tell them how cute they are as they dress like little devils.
We make the supernatural fun.
The whole theme is to deceive.
I can’t think of a holiday that God could hate more.

My 3 yr old girl is going as a skunk,and my 12 yr old boy is going as a hunter.No devils or whitchs here.I teach my children right and wrong.We only go for candy nothing more.

   Here is GOD'S Word on Halloween, Witches, and witchcraft, and so on.

   EX 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
    DEUT 18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
    GAL 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, :20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, :21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Jabez,

Do you know how "trick or treat" originated?

Hundreds of years ago it began to appease the spirits that supposedly were let loose this day (Halloween)to roam the earth. People would leave out large tables of food for the "spirits" and children would sneak out and take it. Eventually, it became "trick or treat".

The whole business with the masks was for the "spirits" to hide behind so no one would recognize who they were.

Halloween is the highest "holy" day for devil worshippers.

Why would a Christian even acknowledge such a demonic day?

Psalm 119

Iam a christian that is not in qeustion.Iam not celebrateing some devil worshiping day!The devil is beneth me,under my feet where he belongs,all GLORY to GOD!

Jabez,

Let's back up a minute.....

Halloween has no Christian roots; period. But it is steeped and founded on the occult. You cannot "Christianize" Halloween.

Elijah declared to the children of Israel," How long will you falter between two opinions"?If the Lord is God follow Him; but if Baal, follow him" I Kings 18:21

Jabez, who will you follow?

Psalm 119

1.Holloween is not a Holiday to me,is it to you?What if i go get candy on the fall festival?

I folllow GOD!

That haunted house just sounds disgusting.  Isn't there that one hauted house that actually is a christian haunted house?  They do a spoof on what is like to be someone who dies and goes to Hell.  Creepy, huh?  Gives a little christian twist to the dark holiday.  Don't forget the free candy! ;D

PS-just because it is a dark holiday doesn't mean we arn't christians if we have fun on the day.  Its the same controversy with Harry Potter-just cause you read it doesn't make you a demon worshiper.  With Halloween, just cause you get dressed up as Frankenstien or a tea bag and spend the night collecting mini-snickers bars doesn't mean you support seances and devils.  Its just about candy and having fun as long as you don't get caught up in anything....bad.  
By the way, here is the link to the Haunted house i mentioned before, its called a Hell House, but from the information I've read I don't think I like the sound of it too much.  It is DEFINATLY not for children under 12.  DEFINATLY.  Heres the link, but I'm not sure if its much better than a regular haunted house: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hallo_he.htm

2 more weeks :) "14" Days :)

Brother Love :)

P.S. HAPPY Halloween :)

To me the best alternitive to Halloween is a Harvest party at the church.
When you go out on Halloween you will visit homes decorated with skulls, witches, and monsters.
Your children will see the same in the street.
It is a day when people covet candy.
We dress up to deceive, be what we are not.
It is a day devoted to Satan.
It is very worldly.

James 4:4  Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Shouldn't we teach our children that we need to resist the devil and his lures.

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

"Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight"  Isaiah 5:20-21

Those who have ears to hear let him hear!

Psalm 119

      Why be happy about a day of pagen Satan worship.
            Not me, I'll be praying thatGODS Will be done.

Your all invited to my Halloween Party, dont forget to wear your masks you wear on sundays ;D

A4c,

Do you believe Christians should particpate in Halloween? Yes or no?

Psalm 119

Here is a link to one of many articles regarding Halloween

http://lrcressy.com/church/sermons/1998/nov.01.98-no.42-TheOriginsOfHalloween.html

ps Beware! when researching Halloween on the net, there are quite a few articles written by witches. Do not be deceived!

Psalm 119

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

Many holidays and events have some roots or ties to pagans, including Christmas. I think the more important question is how do you observe the day or time.

As an example, "What is the reason for Christmas". The answer is Christ, not gifts, but most Christians do give gifts. Christmas definitely has pagan ties, but not the way we did it.

The same is true of Halloween. My dad was a very strict and conservative minister. I was 17 years old before I first stepped foot into a movie theater. Halloween activities in my home were scheduled at the pleasure of the police department. The police department worked in conjunction with schools and churches because many or most had scheduled activities. Very rarely did the actual day coincide with the pagan day, but that was really a moot issue. The schools and the churches were involved, and nobody was doing anything evil. It was simply a fun time for kids.

My dad taught us both sides to Christmas and many other holidays. We didn't have a clue what he was talking about when he mentioned some bad people had rituals, etc. In my community, I was 35 years old before I finally discovered someone doing what my dad talked about on Halloween. They were dealt with to the limits of the law.

My dad was as strict as they come, but we had Christmas and Halloween growing up. My children had Christmas and Halloween growing up, and my grandchildren are having Christmas and Halloween growing up. However, they are being taught just like I was taught, and they won't be participating in anything evil. As an example, my dad many times volunteered for the school carnival on Halloween, and he opened it in prayer. Many other holidays were started with devotions and prayer or church services and gatherings.

Just as another example, we many times celebrated New Year at church. We obviously didn't have any alcohol, and the entertainment was Bible reading, hymns, and all kinds of home baked pies, cookies, and cakes.

Just 2 cents worth.

In Christ,
Tom

Thank you BEP!

Oklahoma Howdy to Jabez,

You are most welcome. I just thought about something and have to give one more example. I remember people asking my dad when we celebrate Christmas. His answer was every day. They would usually ask a second question like, "you give each other presents every day?" Dad would say, "no, we celebrate Christ every day." I give the same answer.

I was taught both sides of the issue, and I taught both sides of the issue.

In Christ,
Tom

Here brother...just let me...help you...get...that...telephone pole...out of...your...eye... ;D

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

I'm really not trying to stir the pot or try to argue. Many things that we pay no attention to at all have pagan origins. It would truly be evil if we practiced as the pagans did for such events. Let me give you a couple of examples for thought.

The days of the week are Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Each have a pagan origin dedicated to a god that is not Almighty God. Thursday is Thor. I don't wake up on Thursdays and worship Thor. I wake up every day worshiping Almighty God.

Easter, May Day, Valentines Day, Christmas, Halloween, and many other holidays have pagan origins. I can assure you that Easter Sunday at my church is used to worship Almighty God. The Easter rabbit and eggs are pagan symbols of fertility rituals practiced during the same time of the year. I didn't know that until I was 40 years old, but we always had Eastern egg hunts on Easter.

Wedding rings are a pagan ritual. My wife and I both wear one, but we view them as a token of a Holy vow made before God. We could really care less what the pagans thought about wedding rings. We've been married for over 30 years and kept our vows, not because of the rings.

Flowers at a funeral are a pagan ritual.

Many common items and customs we think nothing about are pagan.

And, yes, harvest festivals are pagan.

You would not believe the lengthy list of common items and customs that have pagan origins, but Christians don't worship those items or practice those customs in the manner or purpose the pagans did.

I wanted to mention one more thing and I'm hoping that nobody has hurt feelings about holidays. How many folks here believe they can with any degree of accuracy say that Jesus Christ was born on December 25th? By the way, birthday celebrations are pagan. I doubt I can prove it, but I don't think that Jesus Christ was born anywhere near December 25th. It doesn't matter to me because I celebrate Christ every day.

I was guessing there might be some hurt feelings in this thread after reading some of the messages, and I hope it doesn't turn out that way. If it is a matter of conscience and conviction not to observe a particular day, holiday, or custom, don't do it. If you are worshiping God that day and have no conviction of evil in what you are doing, so be it.

Love in Christ,
Tom

NO!  ;D

Once again,I agree.!

Some verses that could be applied to the pagan holidays of the world that Christians get caught up in:

1 Corinthians 8

 1.  Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
 2.  And if any man think that he knoweth anything, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
 3.  But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
 4.  As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
 5.  For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
 6.  But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
 7.  Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
 8.  But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
 9.  But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
 10.  For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
 11.  And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
 12.  But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
 13.  Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.


 1 Corinthians 10:27.  If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
 28.  But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
 29.  Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
 30.  For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
 31.  Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
 32.  Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
 33.  Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.


Romans 14

 1.  Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
 2.  For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
 3.  Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
 4.  Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
 5.  One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
 6.  He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
 7.  For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
 8.  For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
 9.  For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
 10.  But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
 11.  For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
 12.  So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
 13.  Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
 14.  I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
 15.  But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
 16.  Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
 17.  For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
 18.  For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
 19.  Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
 20.  For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
 21.  It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
 22.  Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
 23.  And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.


When a child I never knew of Halloween being of the devil etc., etc.. It was a fun time for kids, dressing up and trying to guess who one another was, and going out and begging door to door for treats. It was all innocent and not like today.

Pagan holidays, Halloween, Christmas, Easter, etc., etc. should be avoided by Christians because of the worldliness that can come from them.

Because of the insinuation that might keep someone from coming to Christ and because it could cause a weaker brother/sister to stumble in the faith.
However a Christian is at liberty to partake of them as long as it does not violate personal faith or a brother/sister's faith and is not to the original intent. Some of the above quoted verses attest to this.

The Lord said we should observe His death as oft we can in remembrance of it till He comes again. This is what Christians should celebrate and as oft they can.

Love in Him,
Ollie

After reading some of these posts ,this Scripture came to my mind.

""Will you steal, murder, commit adultery,swear falsely, burn incense to Baal, AND WALK AFTER OTHER GODS WHOM YOU DO NOT KNOW (emph mine), and then come and stand before Me in this house which is called by My name, and say: WE ARE DELLIVERED TO DO ALL THESE ABOMINATIONS?" Has this house, which is called by My name become a den of thieves, in your eyes? Behold I, even I, have seen it, sdays the Lord."

Jeremiah 7:9-11

Dear friends,

Have you read the book of Jeremiah.....do you know why God brought judgement on Israel.....Killing them by the sword, famine, and carrying them off to Babylon? Do you know what their sin was? Simply put....they appeared to be religious, attending "Church", but their hearts went after other gods . Yes, they proclaimed we are Abraham's children, ("Christians") but their hearts were not given wholly to the Lord. Women worshipped the Queen of Heaven (Mary), "God's people" were sacrificing their children to Molech, and worshipping other pagan deities.

Has anything changed in the year of 2003?

Psalm 119

Do not allow yourself to be disappointed by any thing or any person, but rather have faith that in all things God is leading
you to His ultimate goal.

I for one will be celebrating Reformation Day this...Reformation Day.  :)

I will try to make it Bro :)

Only 11 Days to get ready. I think I will come as Robert Tilton or Jimmy Swaggert :)

Brother Love :)

BWHAHAHAHA

happy hallowe'en everyone!

LOL and the same to you and yours :)

Brother Love :)

Today, in U.S. News magazine(Oct. 27), that just came, a cameo article(p. 16), with photo, of a beautiful young girl, who risked rescuing 2500 Jewish children from the Nazi ghettos in Warsaw.  She said the scariest day was when a local orphanage priest was marched out, with all his charge's children, all dressed in their Sunday best, and they were all killed, priest included.  

The article goes on to specifically say, that of those she was able to save, she "...found them haven with good-hearted Christians...".  

There, you see, when people are in trouble, who do they look for, or to?  And even here in a secular journal, it's mentioned that they look for "the Christians".

That's who people look to when they are in trouble.   And it's automatic--no matter how much God is being outlawed from the public marketplace(what call did spouses make from their cell phones in the Twin Towers?  For their spouses to pray the Lord's Prayer with them. )

Perhaps the lesson might be, whatever we do, we should always do to the glory of God, in Jesus' name.   And if we can't do it to His glory, then we shouldn't do it.

Amen

Only Seven more days to Holloween :)

Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Joy :) :) :) :) :)

Brother Love :)

Good post.  It's hard for them to find the Christians when we act like the world, right Halloween celebrating Christians.

Oklahoma Howdy to Symphony,

This deserves a second AMEN! - and it applies 365/24/7! Thanks be unto God for HIS unspeakable GIFT!

In Christ,
Tom

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1 Corinthians 10:23.  All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
 24.  Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.
 25.  Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
 26.  For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
 27.  If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
 28.  But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
 29.  Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
 30.  For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
 31.  Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
 32.  Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
 33.  Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.[/b]

Could you guys please go over to Truth by Hunibuni, Carnal minded christians are attacking me.

  An article  about the way Christians respond to Halloween  


 http://www.700club.org/spirituallife/halloween/freeman_halloween.asp   (http://www.700club.org/spirituallife/halloween/freeman_halloween.asp)


As you can tell i had a problem it worked for me so i left it alone.  

 ??? Signed computer dummy ???

Only TWO more days to Holloween  :)

Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Joy   :)  

Brother Love  :)

Oklahoma Howdy to Brother Love,

Seriously, I've already finished with Halloween last week at the OSU Medical School in Tulsa. I left right before the medical students were about to dissect me.   ;D

In Christ,
Tom

"The Story of Halloween
 
  http://www.holidays.net/halloween/story.htm

  Halloween is one of the oldest holidays with origins going back thousands of years. The holiday we know as Halloween has had many influences from many cultures over the centuries. From the Roman's Pomona Day, to the Celtic festival of Samhain, to the Christian holidays of All Saints and All Souls Days.
Hundreds of years ago in what is now Great Britain and Northern France, lived the Celts. The Celts worshipped nature and had many gods, with the sun god as their favorite. It was "he" who commanded their work and their rest times, and who made the earth beautiful and the crops grow.

 The Celts celebrated their New Year on November 1st. It was celebrated every year with a festival and marked the end of the "season of the sun" and the beginning of "the season of darkness and cold."

 On October 31st after the crops were all harvested and stored for the long winter the cooking fires in the homes would be extinguished. The Druids, the Celtic priests, would meet in the hilltop in the dark oak forest (oak trees were considered sacred). The Druids would light new fires and offer sacrifices of crops and animals. As they danced around the the fires, the season of the sun passed and the season of darkness would begin.

When the morning arrived the Druids would give an ember from their fires to each family who would then take them home to start new cooking fires. These fires would keep the homes warm and free from evil spirits.

 The November 1st festival was called Samhain (pronounced "sow-en"). The festival would last for 3 days. Many people would parade in costumes made from the skins and heads of their animals. This festival would become the first Halloween.

During the first century the Romans invaded Britain. They brought with them many of their festivals and customs. One of these was the festival know as Pomona Day, named for their goddess of fruits and gardens. It was also celebrated around the 1st of November. After hundreds of years of Roman rule the customs of the Celtic's Samhain festival and the Roman Pomona Day mixed becoming 1 major fall holiday.

 The next influence came with the spread of the new Christian religion throughout Europe and Britain. In the year 835 AD the Roman Catholic Church would make November 1st a church holiday to honor all the saints. This day was called All Saint's Day, or Hallowmas, or All Hallows. Years later the Church would make November 2nd a holy day. It was called All Souls Day and was to honor the dead. It was celebrated with big bonfires, parades, and people dressing up as saints, angels and devils.

But the spread of Christianity did not make people forget their early customs. On the eve of All Hallows, Oct. 31, people continued to celebrate the festivals of Samhain and Pomona Day. Over the years the customs from all these holidays mixed. October 31st became known as All Hallow Even, eventually All Hallow's Eve, Hallowe'en, and then - Halloween.

The Halloween we celebrate today includes all of these influences, Pomona Day's apples, nuts, and harvest, the Festival of Samhain's black cats, magic, evil spirits and death, and the ghosts, skeletons and skulls from All Saint's Day and All Soul's Day."

http://www.holidays.net/halloween/story.htm











 

Thanks, Ollie.

I don't know much about any of the holidays, but I sure do like Halloween.  Can't you tell??

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Oklahoma Howdy to Symphony,

Actually, that picture of you in your tux is one of your better pictures. However, I wish you hadn't posted my picture above. Reference your picture, I think your next pose should be more somber and serious. You really don't look right with that ear to ear grin.   ;D

Whitehorse, if you are reading this, I just thought of something else I want for Christmas. I want corrective surgery to uncross my eyes and a shave.   ;D

In Christ,
Tom

Halloween is something that thankfully is not very popular over here in nz but it's also something I keep completely away from.  But here is a website I found which actually details where it first came from.
http://www.jeremiahproject.com/halloween.html
It's actually the 31st October here now - 8.15pm - we are just over a day ahead of the USA and it's been pretty quiet tonight - no trick or treaters have come knocking.

ZERO more days to Holloween   :)

Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Joy   :)  

HAPPY HOLLOWEN EVERYONE :)

Brother Love :)

Thanks Bro, the same to you and your family ;D

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

Time to put on my Bill O'Reilly costume and set up the No Spin Zone.   ;D

Hi, bep.

Yes, KiwiChristian, I get the impression maybe "celebrations" of this sort a little more serious, or sinister, in the Commonwealth countries.  For some reason their ritualism still has definite ties to the Druids, etc.

We get it some here in the U.S.  People's black cats start disappearing about this time, if they don't watch out.  So there is weird stuff going on.  It's all definitely something to steer clear of.

Still, here the general intent is to laugh at evil, or at death.  In a way, it's got good validity to it.  Elijah there in I Kings mocked the prophets of Baal, made fun of them.

But when everyone starts treating it as some serious "holy-day", that's when definitely to steer clear, of course.

Or all of the immoral overtones now carried with it too, of course--as mentioned in my first post here, on this thread.

365 days and 4 hours, six minutes to "hollowween"!

364 Days to "HOLLOWWEEN" ;D

363 Days to "HOLLOWWEEN"   ;D

I forgot to tell everyone, we got for big bags of candy ;D

P.S. 359 Days to "HOLLOWWEEN" ;D