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By LARA JAKES JORDAN
The Associated Press
Tuesday, April 22, 2003; 10:45 AM


WASHINGTON - Gay-rights groups, fuming over Sen. Rick Santorum's comparison of homosexuality to bigamy, polygamy, incest and adultery, urged Republican leaders Monday to consider removing the Pennsylvania lawmaker from the GOP Senate leadership.

A coalition of groups in Washington and Pennsylvania compared Santorum's remarks to those by those last December by former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott about Strom Thurmond's 1948 segregationist campaign for the presidency. Shortly afterward, Lott was forced to resign as Republican Senate leader.

Santorum is chairman of the GOP conference in the Senate, third in his party's leadership, behind Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee and Assistant Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

"We're urging the Republican leadership to condemn the remarks. They were stunning in their insensitivity, and they're the same types of remarks that sparked outrage toward Sen. Lott," said David Smith, a spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest gay advocacy organization. "We would ask that the leadership reconsider his standing within the conference leadership."

In an interview with The Associated Press, Santorum criticized homosexuality while discussing a pending Supreme Court case over a Texas sodomy law.

"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual (gay) sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything," Santorum, R-Pa., said in the interview, published Monday.

Santorum spokeswoman Erica Clayton Wright said the lawmaker's comments were "were specific to the Supreme Court case."

The White House did not immediately return a call seeking comment, and a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Frist declined comment.

Lott resigned his post in December after making remarks at a 100th birthday celebration for Thurmond that were widely considered racially insensitive and condemned by the White House. Lott later apologized.

Among the groups condemning Santorum's remarks were the Center for Lesbian and Gay Civil Rights, the Pennsylvania Log Cabin Republicans, OutFront, and the Pennsylvania Gender Rights Coalition.

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On the Net:

Sen. Rick Santorum: http://santorum.senate.gov/

Human Rights Campaign: http://www.hrc.org/

© 2003 The Associated Press

Thanks Bro  ;D

I didn't say whether I "like" homosex'y or not.  I said in the bible it's an abomination.

It's a "confusion":(Leviticus 18): 22  "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
   23: And thou shalt not lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith; neither shall any woman stand before a beast, to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
   24: Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out from before you;

I say as good God fearing Christians we send him a letter of congrats on standing up for that which is right.

I'd say his stance is true and correct because sodomy is on the same level as those others.  It's pretty sad to see that people are slowly beginning to to believe the lie that gays deserve rights as race of people.  They aren't a race of people the are sexual diviants defying God and living a disgusting lifestyle.  I pray that more gay people will be saved and turn from their sin like all other sinners.  Ask the burning ashes of sodom how God felt about messing with the plumbing.

It's not bigotry to dispise and hate something that is OBVIOUSLY wrong.  There is no defense for homosexual lifestyle.  It's not "in the genes" and it's contrary to nature.  

It's also wrong for heterosexual people to engage in sodomy not just gays.

God bless,
Jason

UH OH symph are you turning to the dark side.  ;D  You think it's sexy now huh.   ;)

Um?, homosexual acts were listed as a felony in most states until very recently. It may still be a felony in the majority of states. If it's a serious crime in many places and completely condemned by the Holy Bible, what's the big deal of JUSTLY CRITICISING AND CONDEMNING THOSE FOLKS?

You obviously didn't read my post. This behavior is still a felony crime in most states. Let's assume they take all of those laws off the books and pay no attention at all to the Holy Bible. Guess what:

I will never approve of that behavior, period, end of story. I will still pay attention to the Holy Bible and condemn that behavior for as long as I live. They can't make a law that will make me accept and respect that behavior. The rest is all a moot argument for me. I CONDEMN THAT BEHAVIOR, PERIOD.

I don't see why you think that people who think EXIT ONLY means, "I can go in if I want" deserve "special" rights.  To pretend this is an anti-gay thing is plain ignorance.  It's pretty simple too you see, NO ONE is allowed by law to do such a thing.  It's not just homosexual people.  By your retarded (that means slow) logic before you know it, we won't be allowed to say stealing is wrong because we just might be infringing upon brigands rights?  Please think a little harder before you swallow this homosexual agenda without even needing some water to wash it down with.

Homosexual people OFTEN (I have had more then enough experinces) try to recruit you.  They say that's just not so ,but I can't even begin to count the number of times a gay person has tried to convince me I'm actually or may be gay.  They do that all the time and it's most repugnant, and then we get labled liars for something they do often.  If I constantly ask you "are you SURE you don't want to smoke some weed?" over and over again you'd be pretty annoyed wouldn't you?  To constantly tell someone (and it wasn't just me or anything) or imply something like that is beyond rude and can't be labled anything other than RECRUITING people into a disgusting lifestyle.

One might take note that it's illegal to pay for sex as well.  What?!?! someone should have the right to tell me I can't pay a hooker to have sex with me?!?!  How unjust!, I declare we need to fix these unjust laws that infringe upon my personal rights.  As a matter of fact why should any tell me I can't smoke some weed in my house?  Etc, etc etc.

Yes it's ALL the same.  There is NO defense for the homosexual lifestyle and the many abhorrent things they proclaim.  

Hmmm, well anyway, the Santorum statement comes from the case pending before the U.S. Supreme Court right now, as to whether the Texas law forbidding sodomy is a violation of the right to privacy.

In other words, what one does in private is none of the government's or anyone else's business.

It's assumed by many or most that that Texas sodomy law will now be overturned, otherwise, says columnist John Leo, why would the U.S. Sup. Court have taken the case?

John Leo in U.S. News this week(May 5) says that even the activist gays intimate this may open the gates to all sorts of deviant behavior, which was Santorum's point.  If your right to privacy is absolute, you can do anything you want--bygamy, polygamy, incest---and homosexuality.

Yes, Jason, I looked at that phrase you quote there, and thought it sure could be taken that way.  Good point.  I decided to leave it as is.  Obviously, homosexuality is wrong, I find it wrong.

You won't get it unless God  let's you at this point.  If you can't figure out that nature itself protests the gay lifestyle you're a fool.

Let me give you a brutal truth.  Aids is spread through blood.  Guess why it spread through the gay community at lightning speeds.  It has to do with nature my friend.  

There is no deffense for homosexual activity.  If you have never met a gay person that tried to tell you you where gay you must be lucky.  I live near philly not that that should have anything to do with it.



Learn to read, I'm not the only one this has happened to.  I think you are in denial or you live a pretty sheltered life.  These people I speak of and experiences where before i was saved, so it has nothing to do with being a Christian.

I argued from nature before and now I know that God doesn't approve either.


No it's not at all.  You can pretend it's not.  The entire nation can pretend it's not.  Someday you will find out for sure and I can tell you God will not be changing his mind.

underground,

You called me a hateful person for condemning homosexual behavior. I condemn and hate the sin, not the person. That would be difficult to understand unless you know something about the Bible and have Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour.

It is just and correct for a Christian to condemn homosexual behavior. This will never change, regardless of what laws are passed. They can't make a law that forces respect of sin. I doubt you will understand what I just said, but I said it anyway. God loves the person, but hates the sin.

I could really care less who believes that homosexual behavior should be accepted and respected. I will never accept or respect homosexual behavior. If you don't like that, TOUGH!

I'm not a politician, and I don't have to be politically correct or sugar-coat abominable behavior. It's not hateful to call sin "SIN", and that's what it is.

B, CE - Is that you?

Um, duh?

     Blackeyedpeas;
      Amen!!!!!!!!!!
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Oklahoma Howdy to GarColga,

God doesn't change, the Holy Bible doesn't change, and the interpretation of the Bible doesn't change. Mankind changes, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse.

The Scriptures in the Holy Bible that include any refererence to "master" are just as accurate and applicable today as they ever were. Man's interpretations are simply a matter of semantics and sometimes a matter of twisting Scripture to mean what they want. Is your employer your "master"? Are there other authorities in your life that the Holy Bible refers to that are just as accurate today as ever? By the way, many slaves were self-imposed slaves (bonded) as their only way to pay for passage, education, land, etc. My father's family are white and they were sharecroppers. They could have easily been called slaves, but they were self-imposed slaves.

Regardless of how badly some might want the Holy Bible to change and accept certain behavior, the Holy Bible will remain the same and unchanged.

In Christ.

Hal said it; when a society legitimizes homosexuality, it's pretty much gone. And ours sure has.  :(

Grrrrrr...

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Why are we talking about this? All christians SHOULD know
that God clearly states that homosexuals will end up like the
people did in Sodom and Gomorrah if they don't change their ways and repent for their sins.

I have always heard the excuse that they were born with
this, or it's a disease. When will people learn. Homosexuals
are living not only a disgusting lifestyle, but are also going
against God's unchangeable Word. They were obviously not
born with that, and it's not a disease. God wouldn't do something like that.

Also, up here in Canada, they legalized same-sex marriages. It
is legal now. Amazing. Simply amazing. If things weren't any worse then they are now.

Man, I can't wait until Jesus gets a hold of this world. He'll
definitely "clean up this joint".

God bless

Oklahoma Howdy to Marc,

I still have some hope that some things may become better, and some of the bad things our society has done will be reversed. If not, I would agree that our society is in serious decline. We are already paying the price in dozens of ways, but maybe we have been silent to long to reverse it.

I think we are living in the end days and may see the second coming of the Lord soon. Until that time, I think that all Christians should stand up, speak up, tell the truth, and take blatant stands for right versus wrong.

In Christ.

June 07, 2003

N.H. Episcopalians Elect Gay Bishop
By ANNE SAUNDERS
ASSOCIATED PRESS

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) -

New Hampshire Episcopalians elected an openly gay man as their next bishop Saturday, a historic vote in a church deeply divided on the issue of homosexuality.

The selection of the Rev. V. Gene Robinson, 56, who was chosen over three other candidates in voting by New Hampshire clergy and lay Episcopalians, is still subject to confirmation next month by the church's national General Convention.

The confirmation is likely to be a heated battle with international implications. Robinson drew opposition from many in the Anglican community worldwide.

The Anglican Communion represents 77 million people worldwide, including 2.3 million members of the Episcopal Church in the United States. In 1998, the Anglican Communion approved a resolution calling gay sex "incompatible with Scripture."

After the election, Robinson told his supporters to be gentle with those who disagreed with their decision.

"We will show the world how to be a Christian community," he said. "I plan to be a good bishop, not a gay bishop."

According to the Episcopal News Service, the only other bishop to publicly state that he is actively gay is Otis Charles, former bishop of Utah, who made the announcement in 1993 after retiring.

Robinson, who was married and has two grown children, now lives with his partner, Mark Andrew, in Weare and is an assistant to retiring Bishop Douglas Theuner. Friends say he remains on good terms with his ex-wife and two daughters, both of whom were at Saturday's election.

He preaches at area churches and has been active in local causes, such as establishing "Concord Outright," a support group for teenagers.

The Rev. Hays Junkin, head of the committee that selected the candidates, expects Robinson's election to be contentious at the General Convention. If confirmed at the national convention, Robinson would be installed next March.

Robinson faced opposition in New Hampshire, though all the candidates and Theuner have expressed support for gays and lesbians in the church.

His election is expected to be even more controversial among Anglicans abroad. Conservatives in the Church of England and elsewhere protested the appointment last month of an English bishop with liberal views on homosexuality, even though the new bishop vowed to uphold existing church policy on the subject.

The Rev. David Jones, rector of St. Paul's, said he was thrilled with Robinson's selection, even though he recognizes that the Bible speaks against homosexuality.

"The spirit works through that man so who am I to say God's not supposed to do that," Jones said.

On the final ballot, Robinson received 58 of 77 ballots cast by clergy and 96 of 165 lay votes.

New Hampshire Episcopalians number more than 12,000 in 50 parishes and missions.

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New Hampshire Episcopal Church: http://www.nhepiscopal.org/

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Sorry, Symphony. Didn't get a chance to read all this before I posted the same article about the gay Bishop.

Just my thoughts, but the homosexual population seems to be increasing at an alarming rate, and the so called closet just couldn't have been that large to hold them all. So I look at this and wonder what's really going on.

In my humble opinion, I think drugs have become a pre-curser to this lifestyle. I have heard that pot tends to increase female hormones in men, and decrease them in women. It's so obvious that so many people just couldn't have been born this way.

Secondly, it is so blatantly out there that it's probably the drugs that are making the homosexual community have this don't care who knows or accepts attitude.

I think drugs are being down played in a lot of things, and most likely is the biggest contributing factor out there.

Okay, let's think for a minute. Homosexuality, porno, child molestation, rape, robbery, murder, prostitution, shootings in our schools, gangs, child abuse, etc. All this, and no one ever talks about drugs.

So what's causing this openly defiant behavior everywhere we look?  It seems so obvious to me that this is the foremost problem (DRUGS)  and everyone just looks the other way--
.

Our God is being replace by a variety of idols: weed, crank, coke, crack, ecstasy, etc. These are the new gods to many.
It is so evil and it is the followers of these gods that are perpretrating these crimes against God and humanity.

We have a real problem here world, and everyone seems to be looking the other way. Unless this problem is brought under control we are definitely in the end times, my friends, for "Thou Shall Have No Other Strange Gods Before Me"

Alfie

Sorry Alfie I have to disagree.  It's not the drugs that are causing homosexuality.  I've met more straight drug users then gay so that's easily refuted.  There was an entire city in the OT named after homosexual behavior, I think you know who it was.

The problem is not drugs or any other scape goat.  It's the problem that's been here since Adam and Eve.  It's called sin.  I believe that's the message we are to tell people, that they are sinners in need of a saviour.  Would you not agree?  Christians have a bad habit of playing pass the buck like everyone else.  The major problem I have with this is we've been given the asnwer and we still refuse to use it.  I seen people use drugs for a plethora of different reasons ranging from as little as peer pressure to anxiety ridden people.  The attitude is always there though it can be brought out or enhanced by drugs (including alcohol the socially exceptable drug).  If it's there it's there and only one person get get rid of it.

Let's keep focused on Jesus and the truth of the word.  People sin because it's in their very being but he truth is being shut out more and more and so sin abounds.  Let's stop trying to find "reasons" other than the only reason given by God.  SIN

God bless,
Jason

Hi Alfie, Saved4.

I think there's still a lot of this heavily influenced by drugs, as Alfie says.  That San Jose guy with the child molestation just this last weekend--the only reason they think this guy was caught was b/c of the neighbor's security camera.  But the victim's mother, who was also attacked brutally, said it was like the guy was in a trance, his eyes glazed over.  I guess like the dead, babydoll eyes of a shark.  I'm guessing this 23-year-old heavy into drugs.  He did it all in broad daylight.

Yes, as Jason says, the gay culture is a lot broader than just the drug one.  But drugs provide you that initial escape from conscience, which is necessary for the gay lifestyle.

But also, I imagine Sodom did not have drugs(but I wonder--if they traded with easterners--poppy seeds, heroin, opium??), and therefore their gay bent largely a result of prosperity.

But our culture is difficult to be born into.  You can't really blame people for wanting to escape.  Life is a nightmare, for sure.  And, if drugs are too easily available.

Jason,

I'm not looking for a scapegoat; I'm looking for answers. I am asking "why" so much, so many, right now. There has to be a reason that the world is worsening as we speak. And, I don't think anyone one wants to say the answer could be as simple as drug abuse. I do not know why everyone looks the other way and can't see the forest through the trees on this one.

Drugs are the devil's stepping stone. Like Symphony said, drugs provide one with an escape from the conscience, and without a conscience there is no right from wrong. It's an anything goes society.

Sure it's sin, Jason, but it is the influx of drugs coming into our country and other countries by the tons that in my opinion is causing this upheaval in our society.  

We are being overtaken by Satan's handmaiden for sure. It's the easiest way for him to control the actions of humanity, and turn one away from Our Lord and Saviour.

Look at my former post, and the crimes I mentioned. They all can be tied to drugs. It is the easiest way to turn one away from the True God for the drugs have literally become their wives, their husbands, their children, and most of all their new found Gods. Just think about it, Jason.

Symphony, if we could trace back to Sodom, I'm sure we could find something very closely related to what's known to us as drugs. Even with alcohol, when one drinks to excess he loses his inhibitions. With drugs it's even moreso. Like you said -drugs provide the initial escape from the conscience.
There are addicts that not only sell themselves, but would think nothing of selling their own children. Their drugs are the top priority, their number one, their new found gods.

Is it not in the Bible that Satan is now ruling our world? It seems to me that he has found the most perfect instrument with which to work. I can think of nothing that could have possibly suit him better or made his work any easier.  

Alfie

The problem is that the drugs arte not needed for that "lack of conscience" as you claim.  I've known plenty of people that did worse without drugs than with, myself included.  

There are reasons a lot of people turn to drugs and the conscience gets seered before that.  I know why I decided to try drugs.  Drugs provide an escape and some people take that to an extreme.  I have met plenty of people that knew exactly what they were doing while on drugs.  Pot does not impair your judgment like LSD or heroine(though heroine is a derivitive of morphine which I don't hear anyone yelling about using).  

The point is most of the people that do really nasty things when on drugs could and do, do those nasty things with or without drugs.  for those types of people it's just the next few steps down on the downward spiral of being consumed by sin.

When I was younger I tried drugs and I tried some bad stuff.  I know about cocaine, weed, LSD, and PCP (that was an accident but still) first hand.  I did almost nothing "wrong" as in illegal while on those drugs.  Cocaine is really stupid it just makes you feel like running around a lot, very similar to the pills people take to lose weight and play sports.  I still can't figure out why people do that.  Weed usually makes you pretty tired and REAL hungry and you'll eat the craziest concoctions, puts pregnant women to shame.  LSD can and is real bad depending on what the people made it out of.  Sometimes you see lots of neat things, but more often it REALLY affects your brain hardcore.  If someone is thinking about suicide or something there's a hefty chance they might do it when on LSD.  There's just something about it that makes you think about things 10 fold.  Probably why so many people think they can find God.  I've seen people stare at something for 2-4 hours straight while on LSD because they just get lost in thought.  They look like zombies but they're brains are in overdrive, so much so they don't bother to do anything else until they finally get bored.  

There are stories of people who take too much and never come back.  It's real easy to have people freak out because they think about dying or someone they love dying because once you get a thought it's hard to lose it.  We used to have what we called "anchors" these were one or usually two (depending on how many people were "tripping") people who stayed sober incase someone freaked out.  They are the people who kepp you "anchored" to reality.  When your with a bunch of people in their own perspective worlds if you get stuck in a thought they are the WORST people to try to get help from.  Still most of these people did stupid things only people who you knew were destructive already would get worse when they were on drugs and do something nasty.

I hope no one thinks I'm defending drugs because by no means would I do such a thing.  I thought I might share some TRUE stories about drugs.  I hear so much garbage that's not true sometimes, and it totals up to propaganda which is bad regarless of who uses it.

The answer as to "why" things are getting worse?  Because Jesus said they would get worse.  Look at how many unsaved people there are with no teaching of morals or consequence.  You have people trying to change what is and isn't wrong allowing man to "do what's right in his own eyes" and we know that doesn't work.  There was much more violence in times past tham now and there weren't readily available drugs.

We also didn't have the boob tube to post every new thing that comes along with in minutes of it's happenings around the world.  I don't think people realize how much the media is why things are so "suddenly worse".  Last summer the news made it seem like kiddnapping was running rampant when in fact the stats on kiddnapping say it's gone down.  It's just that this is what the media decided to jump on for now.

Currently it looks like wives are missing left and right, this stuff has ALWAYS happend.

"There is NOTHING new under the sun".

God bless,
Jason

Saved_4ever,

Thank you for sharing, and may God bless you too.

Alfie

(More than a month since a post here...)


This last week's U.S. News World Report, July 21, p. 58, John Leo, right hand column:


In Europe "...a major push is underway to criminalize criticism of homosexuality."

Also, "Obscenity law in Ohio targeted by lawyer",

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030722-112935-9964r.htm

(now, due to the Supreme Court's decision throwing out the antisodomy law of Texas...)

Symphony,
              Seems once the snow ball begins to roll, its just gets bigger and bigger. Proabition, right on up to same sex marriage. Is booze drinking wrong? No, but in excess anything is wrong. This generation is so desensitized to the wrongs (sins) that I really really worry about the generations ahead of us.  I've had years of therapy to deal with a terrible childhood.....but in some countries what I lived thru is normal and the called "rights of passage" , does that make it ok for "those" people who were raised to believe its ok? NO, NOTHING is alright to any body if it goes against what the scriptures lay out for us. Plane and simply. Homosexuality, incest are wrong. Why? cause the bible calls it an abomination. Someone mentioned holidays, and that the bible isn't good to use or something like that, man I can't believe that was said. YES the bible does matter.  All I know is that if ANYTHING comes between me and God then its wrong. The scriptures are the rule book, for all people its just that some people don't know that. And thats the real shame.  
    It seems the pray warriors need to pray more, but yet things are suppose to keep getting worse and worse. But we still need to pray.
Jesus is Lord.

Thanks, music.  'Sorry to hear of a terrible childhood.

Yep, the desensitization.  And I'm looking at all the little ones in my growing and extended family--babies, little children, and more on the way.

And I'm thinking, wow, where here will there be any refuge.  If our own government is out to get us.

Of course, historically, that's certainly nothing new.

But staying in the Word, and in prayer.

Symphony,
       Thank you, that is very sweet. You said
staying in the word and in prayer. I say :D

amen and amen.

""Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built (business as usual!) but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed." Luke 17:28-30

Compare the above verses to what is going on today! Everyone is going on like no big deal! What's all the fuss! But one day fire from heaven will appear!

Here is the believer's hope..... "Since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengenace on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.When He comes, in that Day to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. 2Thess 1:6-10

Until then, we shall be troubled like poor Lot.

Psalm 119

Thank you, Psalm, good scripture.  As it was in the days of Noah.  I'm still in shock, since Clinton announced the don't ask thing in the miliary, in 1992.  And can't get use to the idea that everyone here in US is just rolling over like that sluggard there in Proverbs, "...as the door turns upon its hinges, so the sluggard turns upon his bed...".

I "heard" that ret. General Wesley Clark was even saying that a 1000 plus gays in the military redeemed themselves in the current Gulf War.  Not sure if I heard correctly, but it sounded like he was endorsing it.

First of all, Santorum NEVER compared homosexuality to those other acts. He was talking about the impact that changing the laws regarding sodomy would have on the laws regarding the other acts.

Secondly, Christians have a duty to stand up for what is right. We are the salt of the earth. But in the process we can't forget to DO what is right. It is not our place to condemn anyone to hell or to harrass anyone, it is however our place to judge between right and wrong, but most importantly, it's to show the love and compassion of Jesus Christ. I don't think Jesus would have treated the homosexual any different than the prostitutes.

Thank you, Katherine.  

Maybe if you get a chance, you might take a look at mine, "Diplomacy: Gays.", here on this same column?  It regard's Pres. Bush's mention of gays today during his press conference...?

CBS RAdio News this morning, of 250 corporations surveyed, 95 % bar discrimination based on "sexual orientation"--including bisexuals, it said.

"Bisexual" by definition then, like the other varieties, means basically, "immorality".

So the corporations, like the governenments, and now the churches, are all actually endorsing immorality, as a matter of course.

Let's see(scratches wooden head, says, "duh"),   "...the great harlot who is seated upon many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and with the wine of whose fornication the dwellers on earth have become drunk...
...holding in her hand a golden cup full of abomination...    And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus."  (Rev. 17:1b-6).

Christians may consider homosexuality to be unnatural and sinful and that is perfectly understandable in the context of their beliefs

Hmmm.  In the "context of our beliefs".  Hmmm.


Wrong.  It's what the scriptures say.  Jesus dutifully and regularly quoted from the Old Testament.

It's not even whether we "believe" them, someguy.  

It's whether they are true.

If they aren't true, then, as you say, it's not right that they would apply to everybody or, even, to just the believers since, if they aren't true, even the believers won't be held accountable either, in the end.

The whole thing isn't about whether someone believes it.

It's about whether it's true--judgement, eternal  life, damnation, salvation--and salvation through only one person, the man Jesus Christ.

That's all it is about--whether that is true, or not, someguy.

Hmm, five months later....


Corpus here on a separate thread just cited UK article mentioning illegal now to even criticize homosexual behavior...

Per the thread title:

http://www.religionjournal.com/showarticle.asp?id=1134 (http://www.religionjournal.com/showarticle.asp?id=1134)

Gay Behavior Becoming More Common in High Schools
Some adolescents confused about their sexual identity

Overtly gay behavior is becoming more common in American schools.

Some quotes from the article.....


"This year, for the first time, a curriculum guide written by a gay-rights group is being used in public schools to teach children about same-sex marriage.

The guide, written by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, was released in September. It is accessible to teachers on the group's Web site.

Books such as "When John and Jim Say 'I Do' " are recommended in the curriculum, and students are asked to think about what it would be like to be in a same-sex wedding.

The real goal of the gay-rights group is not equality, but turning children into homosexuals, Camenker said. The group denies the charge.

When teens see examples in popular culture, such as Britney Spears kissing Madonna, "they're encouraged to try it all," according to Breakpoint columnist Charles Colson. "The most detrimental message is 'Anything goes – everything's
legitimate.' "

Teenage girls are becoming confused, Colson said. "When a girl hugs another girl, she may wonder if she's lesbian, or shy away from once-innocent behavior for fear of being thought lesbian. Add to that the possibility that girls may be reacting to bad experiences with boys, and we have complete confusion."

Parents "need to encourage kids like never before that God designed them in His image, and He has a specific design for our relationships. They don't have to try out everything, only to be left in the end with nothing," Colson said."

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