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Titanic' attack on Resurrection
Filmmaker claims discovery of Jesus Christ's family crypt

The Oscar-winning director of "Titanic" is expected to announce in a news conference tomorrow that his next film project is a documentary suggesting Jesus wasn't resurrected, was married to Mary Magdalene and had a son.

James Cameron is producing "The Lost Tomb of Jesus," claiming the discovery of 10 stone coffins in a Jerusalem suburb in 1980 is actually the family crypt of Jesus of Nazareth.

The 90-minute film will be shown on the Discovery Channel at a later date.

The film makes the case that Jesus had a son named Judah with Mary Magdalene.

Prominent Jerusalem archaeologist Amos Kloner is disputing the claims, saying, "It makes a great story for a TV film. But it's impossible. It's nonsense."

Cameron and his director, Simcha Jacobovici, claim also to have DNA evidence to back their story.

Jacobovici is trying not to alienate the faithful, by suggesting the ascension into heaven by Jesus could still have occurred spiritually if not physically.

"People who believe in a physical ascension – that he took his body to heaven – those people will say, 'Wait a minute,'" warns the director.

The news comes a year after the release of "The Da Vinci Code" movie, based on the best-selling novel of 2004 by Dan Brown, both of which also claimed Mary Magdalene was the wife of Jesus.

James Tabor, chairman of the religious studies department at the University of North Carolina who is interviewed throughout the documentary, says it will not be so easy to dismiss this work.

"This is archaeology," he claims. "We've got the casket. We've got the bones. I think we can say, in all probability, Jesus had this son, Judah, presumably through Mary Magdalene."

The coffins reportedly carried the names of Jesua, son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Mathew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua. Some archaeologists who studied the find point out those were common names in Israel 2,000 years ago.

A statistician is brought into the documentary to suggest finding that combination of names in a first century crypt at 600 to 1.

The news conference is schedule to be held in New York and a website has been created to tout the media event. A companion book, "The Jesus Family Tomb," published by Harper-Collins, is set for release this week.

It should be listed as a Fictional Film not a documentary. Documentaries are supposed to be factual and there are no facts to this. Just as Al Gore's "documentary" on global warming that he just got an Oscar for "Best Documentary" should have been for "Best Fiction" or "Best Comedy".

The tomb that this film is being made on has been proven false. DNA has proven that none of it's occupants are related in any fashion. The names being similar mean absolutely nothing as these names were very common during that time frame. It is just one more attempted attack by the secular world on the validity of the Bible. The Bible has stood the test of time and has been proven through many means to be factual.

Scholars deride Jesus-tomb claim 
Subject not new – BBC aired short documentary in 1996

Archaeologists and clergymen in the Holy Land derided claims in a new documentary produced by the Oscar-winning director James Cameron that contradict major Christian tenets.

"The Lost Tomb of Christ," which the Discovery Channel will run on March 4, argues that 10 ancient ossuaries _ small caskets used to store bones _ discovered in a suburb of Jerusalem in 1980 may have contained the bones of Jesus and his family, according to a press release issued by the Discovery Channel.

One of the caskets even bears the title, "Judah, son of Jesus," hinting that Jesus may have had a son. And the very fact that Jesus had an ossuary would contradict the Christian belief that he was resurrected and ascended to heaven.

Most Christians believe Jesus' body spent three days at the site of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem's Old City. The burial site identified in Cameron's documentary is in a southern Jerusalem neighborhood nowhere near the church.

In 1996, when the BBC aired a short documentary on the same subject, archaeologists challenged the claims. Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site, said the idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television.

"They just want to get money for it," Kloner said.

The claims have raised the ire of Christian leaders in the Holy Land.

"The historical, religious and archaeological evidence show that the place where Christ was buried is the Church of the Resurrection," said Attallah Hana, a Greek Orthodox clergyman in Jerusalem. The documentary, he said, "contradicts the religious principles and the historic and spiritual principles that we hold tightly to."

Stephen Pfann, a biblical scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem who was interviewed in the documentary, said the film's hypothesis holds little weight.

"I don't think that Christians are going to buy into this," Pfann said. "But skeptics, in general, would like to see something that pokes holes into the story that so many people hold dear."

"How possible is it?" Pfann said. "On a scale of one through 10 _ 10 being completely possible _ it's probably a one, maybe a one and a half."

Pfann is even unsure that the name "Jesus" on the caskets was read correctly. He thinks it's more likely the name "Hanun."

Kloner also said the filmmakers' assertions are false.

"It was an ordinary middle-class Jerusalem burial cave," Kloner said. "The names on the caskets are the most common names found among Jews at the time."

Archaeologists also balk at the filmmaker's claim that the James Ossuary _ the center of a famous antiquities fraud in Israel _ might have originated from the same cave. In 2005, Israel charged five suspects with forgery in connection with the infamous bone box.

"I don't think the James Ossuary came from the same cave," said Dan Bahat, an archaeologist at Bar-Ilan University. "If it were found there, the man who made the forgery would have taken something better. He would have taken Jesus."

Although the documentary makers claim to have found the tomb of Jesus, the British Broadcasting Corporation beat them to the punch by 11 years.

Osnat Goaz, a spokeswoman for the Israeli government agency responsible for archaeology, declined to comment before the documentary was aired.

And pig fly, dogs turn to human, humans finally become "Rock" itself, yup. 

I know! Let make movie of "Dan Brown the great mass murder"
Who killed JFK, Who cause WW1,2 maybe 3, Who cause Crusaders gone evil!
It was Dan Brown! Why? because I'm great detective, who got all prove that Dan Brown is mass murder.
Sweet idea, huh?

Anyway....

I can't believe this, Our Lord Jesus save us and this is repay for saving us >:( They should be shame for themself . :(
they can change history or whatever? All that for money?! So this is another prove that money is root of all evil. :P

   

Well as much as I love to watch some series on Discovery.  I think I am going to remove that channel from my watch list.

I had been pondering it lately because they seem to be showing a ton of the dino movies and how things "evolved".   I could then put up with the barrage of Da Vinci based babble.... but it is just getting far to much.  THe worst of it is that it may not do a tremendous amount to our society today...but what about 10 generations from now when they are looking at movies to watch in history class.  Do we watch the Passion, or this flick. 

And you know it will be presented as fact and not a poor hypothesis.

I don't think that it will take quite that long.

I agree the Discovery channel is getting to be just like the National Geographic channel. There is nothing worth watching on any satellite or cable channel that is not on regular TV anymore.

And regular TV is getting to where it is far from being anything good to watch. I quite frequently turn TV on to the Weather Channel and just leave it there. I even turn that off when they start on that global warming garbage.

Well thank God we always got the Bible to read. I hardly turn the TV on anymore. We rent good clean movies and watch those as a family.

Everytime ya turn around another BIG fat lie is coming out of Satan ... boy he must be trembling knowing that his time is almost up!!!!!!!!!!

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Amen, sister, that he is.

AMEN TO THAT!!!!!

Now I know why the Lord gave me that scripture in Isaiah 45:9

"9 Woe to him who strives with his Maker!--a worthless piece of broken pottery among other pieces equally worthless [and yet presuming to strive with his Maker]! Shall the clay say to him who fashions it, What do you think you are making? or, Your work has no handles?"

The King James Version call them potsherd.
If you drop a clay pot it shatters into worthless pieces of shards and they're good for nothing except to be thrown away.
They truly do not know or understand who they are contending with.
How can you war against the Creator and expect to win?
They are fighting the Bad Fight.
We must pray for these people for they are greatly deceived and are deceiving many.

Nothing that comes out of Hollywood or the world of the flesh can ever change the facts of the gospel and how it pricks the heart with the Spirit to obey and believe our Lord unto salvation to eternal life and Godly living in this life.

ollie

It's amazing how gullible some people are, even some "so-called" Christians who said they were "open" to more "evidence."  What evidence?  Anyone who truly has faith in the Lord will not be dissuaded by the lies perpetrated by those who wish to discredit Christ and the truth of His resurrection.  I couldn't stomach anymore of the blasphemous comments posted on some news websites in response to this lie.  Won't they be surprised one day when they bow to Jesus and confess that He is Lord!  True followers of Christ know that there is no skeleton to be found, because Jesus is alive forever!

AMEN AND ALLELUIA!!!!!

Well I watched it last night.  Recorded it.  Tonight I will watch the Tom Brokov special that was on after it.

I will have report on both soon.  I took notes all throughout.  And I can say that I was mad, I laughed, and I was amazed.

But I will finish up the event tonight and then over the next couple of days have a written report.  I am preparing some of this for my Sunday School lesson.

I'm looking forward to reading that.

Amen, me too

If you read down in the section called 'TELEVISION' I wrote something about it.
The only thing that kept coming to my mind was - 'Why are you looking for the l;iving amongst the dead?'

Did anybody see 'PEOPLE' magazine this week?(March 12, 2007)

There's an article on page 178 titled "IS THIS JESUS' TOMB?"
Under it it reads 'Titanic director James Cameron thinks he's found the tomb of Jesus Christ. Skeptics say he should stick to shipwrecks.'

Towards the the end of the article it states that a Harvard archeologist thinks it's an attempt to exploit The DaVinci Code noting that there were 71 Jesuses buried in the cemetary where the boxes were found and he quoted, "I would describe this as a sheep-and-donkey show."

And this is from a secular magazine. Hilarious!!!!!

Their are many secular archaeologists that are calling this "documentary" a big farce, also.

Well it did take me a little bit.  There was so much out there already on this...but here is my two bits.

The Lost Tomb

Now I have no degree or anything.  But the last time I checked it was 3 days.


However something they fail to mention is that the Gospel lets you know where those rumors started and why.  They were started by the Jewish priests in order to stop the flow of people converting to Christianity. 

There is a couple of things with this.  Jesus’ “home” was not in Jerusalem.  It would have been in Galilee. 
Another thing that about Jesus and his trial.  He was not tried for insurrection.  Remember the Gospels explain that the Jews did not want His blood on their hands.  So they turned Jesus over to Pilat.  And what did he try him under?  Basically tax evasion. 

This would have been true.  However Mary came back a few days later (3) to finish preparing the body for this time period.  And when she came back….the body was gone.


Symbol above the tomb
Chevron and circle
They stated that the symbols meanings is unknown, however it is uncommon for this to be on a tomb because this was a rarity.


Now this does make it exciting.  But then we also have to realize that not only was Jesus a common name but so was Joseph.

I am still trying to figure out how he thinks this. 

And this is true…since this is not the Jesus of the Bible. 

I can only assume that they imply Joseph died due to some other documents or oral pass down other than the Bible.  Cause again I do not remember it word for word but I do not recall anywhere that Joseph died.  I could see where they would think that and it would make sense since we do not see Joseph later on while Jesus was in His ministry.  But then it could be that he just did not show up to Jesus’ messages.  Or was not as active in his following of Jesus, like Mary was. 

So what we actually have in the tomb is Jesus, son of Joseph, and Maria.  At this point we should note that Mary’s name was Miriam in Hebrew.  The ossuary was scribed in Greek, and on top of that had a different version of the name Mary. 
And let me also note that at this point they start to bring in the Gnostic Gospels.  Many many things have been written about the Gnostic Gospels.  Most of which pertain to how they were not written by the people they pretend to be, Mary, Philip, etc.  They have never been counted as part of Canon and they present ideas and concepts which at times contradict what the Gospels teach.

So here they present that this is either the Apostle Matthew who just so happened to be buried with Jesus or possibly a relative of Mary’s.  Her family line had many Matthew’s in it, so this could be a relative.  Or in reality it could be that this is not the tomb of Jesus and this Matthew is just another Matthew.

Not positive on this as far as it being a rarity.  However if one brother was buried with Jesus then where are the other brothers?  How about any sisters?  Again remember that Jerusalem was not Jesus’ real home.  So now they would say that Jose followed Jesus as well and moved to Jerusalem. 

The truth is starting to come out.  A voice crying out amongst the wilderness so to speak.

This was to just to show how common some of the names were.  You would think though that if you were to shout out for Mary that any spelling of Mary (Miriam/Maria) would be possible.

A side note that does more to prove the historicity of the Bible.

pt 2


This is something else they pulled from the Gnostic gospels.  In Philip she is called Mariamne.  However the other Gospels do not make this designation.  So we again have to look at what is credible and what is not.  And scholars for centuries have not counted the Gnostics as credible. 

So baseline says that if we had a tomb that had Jesus, Son of Joseph, Mariamne, Jose, and Maria in it, there would be approximately 1:600 chance of that happening.  Now Jerusalem at that time had about 25,000 people in it.  So there would possibly be several tombs with these combinations.  That is how common the names are.

This is where they now start heading down using Dan Brown’s fictional Novel as a basis of fact.  This is and has been the biggest issue with The Da Vinci Code.  Because it was presented as having some facts in it…people assume that the story of Jesus living and marrying Mary are factual.  When there is no credible evidence to support that.  And again they go to the Gnostic Gospels.  And here they even mention the theory posited in Dan Brown’s novel. 

So what they say is that the Gnostic Gospels are much more accurate and truthful than great writers and apostles as Matthew, John, Paul. 

More from Dan Brown.  With nothing as evidence to support it.

So initially the only thing they could test was to see if these two people were related.  And the only thing they found is that they were not at least on a motherly aspect.  Meaning that this Mary was not the mother of Jesus.  It does not prove if Jesus was the father of Mary, or if they were brother and sister, or related in some other way.  And yes they could be married.

Well not really.  The only credible source of data that we have is the Gospels and from there Jesus had only a Saviors relationship to Mary. 

The ossuary that was found that has James son of Joseph, brother of Jesus is currently in debate and is court in relation to it possibly be a fraud.  And again what comes into play is why would a brother be buried with a brother and not with a father or their own tomb. 
As far as testing the dirt on the out side of the ossuaries.  They test as having similar chemical make ups.  Which would preliminarily indicate that they are from the same tomb.  However further analysis such as testing the other ossuaries, samples from other tombs, and a more detailed chemical breakdown would be needed to state conclusively that the James ossuary came from this tomb.

WOW trying to figure that one out.  Judas turned his back on Jesus because He was not a rebel.  He did not lead the Jews to revolt against Rome.  That is what the Jews were looking for in their Messiah was a revolutionary leader, one who would take them from oppression.  Shame they missed that He did…just not the type of oppression they were looking for.