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Title: When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: Mr. 5020 on October 03, 2003, 11:34:55 AM
Link to Article (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34900)

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A baby's cry is not necessarily proof of life.

So concluded Illinois Circuit Court Judge Karen Thompson last November when she acquitted a mother previously convicted in two prior trials of murdering her newborn daughter.

Does this give you a nasty feeling in your gut?  How much longer can pro-choicers push back the "being alive" line?


Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: nChrist on October 04, 2003, 10:24:17 PM
Oklahoma Howdy to Mr. 5020,

Thanks for the link to the article. I think that all pro-choicers should read this article and others. It is sickening how some folks think about the gift of life from Almighty God. That life is given by God and that life belongs to God.

In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: Left Coast on October 05, 2003, 12:54:23 PM
So sad


Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: Psalm 119 on October 05, 2003, 02:45:29 PM
Mr. 5020,

Thank you for posting this link. Yes, we no longer on the "slippery slope" we are falling off the cliff.

I noticed the poll results indicate that 100% believe that life begins at conception.

My question is "Why do Christians who believe that life begins at conception continue to use abortifacients, such as the pill and the I.U.D.? ( which destroy's life)

Do we practice what we preach?

Psalm 119


Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: Symphony on October 05, 2003, 04:36:15 PM

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Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: Mr. 5020 on October 05, 2003, 08:23:42 PM
Mr. 5020,

Thank you for posting this link. Yes, we no longer on the "slippery slope" we are falling off the cliff.

I noticed the poll results indicate that 100% believe that life begins at conception.

My question is "Why do Christians who believe that life begins at conception continue to use abortifacients, such as the pill and the I.U.D.? ( which destroy's life)

Do we practice what we preach?

Psalm 119

Not usually.


Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: Heidi on October 05, 2003, 10:34:57 PM
Only on a Christian Forum will the results of this poll be 100%. It just goes to show how deceived we can all be about the truth without God. I write screenplays and have been seriously considering writing one for "Lifetime TV" entitled, "A Living Miracle" about the abortion issue. But I'm not sure the country is ready for it yet which means it has to be produced by a Christian Production Company. Unfortunately (and fortunately) they're swamped by scripts at the moment, but i would really like ot appeal to the non - Christians. I am currently writing an article about stay-at-home-moms in a local women's magazine, but even the editor of that one was reluctant to stir up the controversy. But, as Christ prophesied, His beliefs will not be popular.


Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: twobombs on October 06, 2003, 02:31:29 AM
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world , that we should be holy and without blame before him in love



Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: Saved_4ever on October 06, 2003, 02:31:35 AM
Umm IUD's are certainly not very popular.  In fact most people I have talked to don't even know what one is.  

Secondly how in the world is "the pill" destroying life?  Unless of course you are talking about some other pill.


Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: ebia on October 06, 2003, 03:56:27 AM
Secondly how in the world is "the pill" destroying life?  Unless of course you are talking about some other pill.
The contraceptive pill is not 100% effective at preventing conception.  Most (if not all) forms, therefore, are also designed to prevent implantation of the embryo in the womb if and when conception does occur.


Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: shugotenshi on October 06, 2003, 05:15:59 AM
So, basically if the baby was still attached, it's not alive?  Wow...what has this world come to.  Many prayers my brothers and sisters...many prayers...


Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: Allinall on October 06, 2003, 05:45:44 AM
I actually have to agree with ebia on this one.  The pill works to avoid impregnation, not pregnancy, with noteable if not sickening acceptions.  To attribute all pills as being abortive is ignorant.  They simple do not allow fertilization.  If there is no fertilization, the female's body aborts the eggs according to a regular cycle.  It is abortion when God grants like and man takes that life.

And pill or no pill, I've known too many people who found that they can't stop God from giving life.  I tend to think that He does so in order that we don't begin to think we've got the "life" thing under our control.  :)


Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: Psalm 119 on October 06, 2003, 10:11:29 AM
Dear Saved 4-Ever and Allinall,

The pill does cause early abortions by changing the lining of the edometrium (uterus) so that a "fertilized egg" (conception) will not adhere. The pill has two properties....prevention of pregnancy, and when that fails prevention of implantation. The patient sheet that comes with the pill is very clear on this. It's usually defined as "breakthrough". Rather than me babbling on; please take the time to educate yourselves by clicking on to this site. There are 18 articles regarding this matter. Some written by Dr's and Pharmacists.

http://home.swbell.net/birons/birthctl.htm

Psalm 119


Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: Heidi on October 06, 2003, 03:16:33 PM
I have a question. Would God allow the people He has chosen from the beginning to be aborted?


Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: Psalm 119 on October 06, 2003, 07:41:37 PM
I have a question. Would God allow the people He has chosen from the beginning to be aborted?


Heidi,

Jeremiah 1:4 states that God knew Jeremiah (as He does all of us) before He formed him in the womb.

I believe with all my heart that God knows each person before He formed them. He has decided long ago how many children He would give us. Can man thwart God's plans?; no. Will God allow it; yes.

For example God may want a certain Christian couple to have 3 children; another couple 5, another 10. If that couple goes out of God's design and they are sterilized, or abort their children through abortifacients, then they have stepped out of bounds.

Children are a gift from God....blessed is the man who has his quiver full of them.

It really comes down to trusting and obeying the Lord. He will not give us more than we can bear.

Love,
Psalm 119


Title: Re:When a crying baby is not 'alive'
Post by: twobombs on October 11, 2003, 11:27:01 AM
Even though 'the pill' was introduced in the early 60's people talk about it as though it's been here for ages.

It is not a coincidence that the fall away and the last Generation talks have started since the 60's.