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Title: Senate passes Democrats' ethics bill
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 18, 2007, 11:14:31 PM
Senate passes Democrats' ethics bill 
Provision requiring reporting of 'grass-roots' lobbying stripped out on 55-43 vote

The Senate, responding to voter frustration with corruption and special interest influence in Washington, on Thursday overwhelmingly approved far-reaching ethics and lobbying reform legislation.

Under the bill, passed 96-2, senators will give up gifts and free travel from lobbyists, pay more for travel on corporate jets and make themselves more accountable for the pet projects they insert into bills.

Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, who made the bill his first initiative as head of the Senate, called it the "most significant legislation in ethics and lobbying reform we've had in the history of this country."

The Senate did reject the idea of setting up an independent office to investigate the ethical breaches of members. But it said that spouses of sitting members will no longer be able to lobby the Senate and lobbyists can no longer pay for extravagant parties for members at national conventions.

Passage of the bill came a day after the measure appeared dead, the victim of a test of will between the two parties.

Republicans were angry they could not get a vote on a proposal giving the president, with congressional approval, more power to kill single spending items in larger bills. So GOP senators voted against a resolution needed to move the bill to final passage. (Full story)

On Thursday morning, both sides accused the other of killing the bill and betraying the trust of voters who had demanded that Congress clean up its act.

"What this maneuver shows is that the Republican leadership hasn't learned the lessons of the 2006 election," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York.

"The Democrat leadership does not have to kill this legislation," countered Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky. "I believe that we owe it to the voters as well as the institution to come to a fair agreement and pass this legislation."

Under the agreement reached Thursday, the sponsor of the line-item veto amendment, Sen. Judd Gregg, R-New Hampshire, will be allowed to offer his proposal as part of the next bill to reach the Senate floor, a proposal to raise the minimum wage while giving small businesses several tax breaks. That will take place on Monday.

The ethics and lobbying legislation would:

• Bar lawmakers from accepting gifts, travel and lodging paid for by lobbyists.

• Extend from one to two years the time a former member must wait before he can engage in lobbying activities.

• Deny pensions to lawmakers convicted of serious crimes.

• Require more reporting by lobbyists on their activities.

• Require public disclosure of those home-state projects.

• Require senators hitching rides on private jets to pay full charter rates rather than the current practice of paying the far cheaper equivalent of a first class ticket.

• Require reporting by lobbyists who obtain small donations from clients and then "bundle" them into larger contributions to politicians.

• Prevent spouses of sitting members from lobbying.

The Senate, on a 55-43 vote, approved an amendment pushed by Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, to strip a provision requiring reporting of "grass-roots" lobbying.

Backers said it would shine light on special interest groups that use "hired guns" to organize mass mailings, phone-ins or e-mail campaigns.

Opponents, including the American Civil Liberties Union and conservative groups such as the Traditional Values Coalition, argued that it was a free speech issue, discouraging people or groups from organizing petition drives.

The Senate also defeated, for the second straight year, a proposal to create an Office of Public Integrity to take over some of the investigative duties of the ethics committee.

Supporters said the public, in the wake of scandals involving former lobbyist Jack Abramoff and former Rep. Mark Foley, suspected the ability of lawmakers to police themselves. The vote against the new office was 71-27.

Fred Wertheimer of Democracy 21, part of a coalition of groups pressing for lobbying reform, said the groups were disappointed with the votes on grass-roots lobbying and the Office of Public Integrity.

But he said the bill responded to the "deep concerns of the American people about corruption and ethics problems in Congress" and "will change the way business is done in the Senate."

Democrats are determined to show voters they are changing the way Washington works so they made the measure their first order of business after assuming power in the Senate.

The House, on its first day of Democratic control, changed some of the rules concerning gifts, meals and travel from lobbyists. The House is scheduled to take up legislation next month that, like the Senate bill, would change lobbying law and require a House-Senate compromise.

Voting against the bill were Republicans Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and Orrin Hatch of Utah. Sens. Sam Brownback, R-Kansas, and Tim Johnson, D-South Dakota, did not vote.


Title: Re: Senate passes Democrats' ethics bill
Post by: Brother Jerry on January 19, 2007, 09:55:20 AM
I do not know what is sadder....that the people in office thought it would be OK to take gifts, get free rides, and other extravagencies in exchange for their vote or voice, or that the Dem's say they want to clean it up. 

What I fear more than anything is that the Dems are burying it deeper.  Their plans do not make it truly illegal.  You do not see mention of jail time or anything like that for those caught doing it.  They even wanted to form a committee that woudl point it out.  Not prosecute.  Put it to a national referendum that we agree that if someone is caught breaking these rules once they get a fine from their States pocket (let the State handle where the money actually comes from).  Second offense is a bigger fine that comes 50/50 from State as well as personal pocket.  Third offense is removal from position. 
If we agree to that then we are agreeing to having to vote another person into that position at anytime. 

You want that policed then we put the representatives lives out for their public to see.  Their expenses, their daily planners, everything.  They are planning to go come home for the holidays...then how did they get there, who paid, show the receipts and the paper trails.  Let the people do the policing of their elected officials.  Nothing like a couple million Internet users pouring through that stuff to keep a police force in line.

They do not have to post what is going to happen, only what has happened.  We would not want some Senators trip to Iraq or someplace well published before hand and his agenda's while he was there.  But after the fact you betcha.  Where did he go, how did he get there, who paid for it, why, who did he talk to, etc, etc, etc.