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Which is the sabbath day to GOD?The seventh day?Lets not just say saturday, because mans calendar says saturday is the seventh?As i posted in another thread i keep sunday as the sabbath,thats always been the day i was raised to keep.How do ya'll feel about this?What day do you keep as the sabbath?
                           * Definitions*
1.thefreedictionary
**Sabbath
Sab´bath n. 1. A season or day of rest; one day in seven appointed for rest or worship, the observance of which was enjoined upon the Jews in the Decalogue, and has been continued by the Christian church with a transference of the day observed from the last to the first day of the week, which is called also Lord's Day.

2.wordreference
**Sabbath ['sæbəθ]
noun
1   the seventh day of the week, Saturday, devoted to worship and rest from work in Judaism and in certain Christian Churches
 
2   Sunday, observed by Christians as the day of worship and rest from work in commemoration of Christ's Resurrection
 
3   [not cap]  a period of rest
 
4   Also called: sabbat, witches' Sabbath  a midnight meeting or secret rendezvous for practitioners of witchcraft, sorcery, or devil worship
[ETYMOLOGY: Old English sabbat, from Latin sabbatum, from Greek sabbaton, from Hebrew shabbath, from shabath to rest]

3.brainydictionary
**Sabbath
(n.) A season or day of rest; one day in seven appointed for rest or worship, the observance of which was enjoined upon the Jews in the Decalogue, and has been continued by the Christian church with a transference of the day observed from the last to the first day of the week, which is called also Lord's Day.

Of course the Sabaath Day to God is the Seventh Day.

However, I also pointed out that in the Law of Moses there were other Sabaaths, ordained of God by the mouth of Moses.

I posted this in another thread and never got much of an answer.

Maybe someone can answer this very question, I believe it would shed light on your question.

"According to the scriptures Jesus ate the passover supper with His disciples (Mat 26:18) in the evening (Mat 26:20) upon finishing the supper and drinking from the fruit of the cup, departed to the Mt of Olives to a place called Gethsemane, where Judas betrayed Him with a kiss and delivered him up, the same day he was crucified, this leaves no doubt it had to be the sixth day.

I was wondering if anybody had an insight into, Jhn 18

26  One of the servants of the high priest, being his kinsman whose ear Peter cut off, saith, Did not I see thee in the garden with him?
27  Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.
28  Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.


Note that these chief rulers, did not want to defile themselves, this is the reason why they did not enter into the judgment hall, but that they might eat the passover.

The passover is to be kept the evening of the14th day of the first month, this was established by the Lord and given to Moses to give to the people as an ordinance (Ex 12:5-6,14) to be kept forever.

Why where this men observing passover on the 15th day of the month??

It is plain from the passage, it was already early morning, and passover was ending, (the cock had crowed), hardly any time to kill a lamb and eat the whole passover lamb, with ones family.

Any comments would be appreaciated.........."


Blessings,

Petro

I think it's important to remember what the meaning of the law is as opposed to keeping the "letter" of the law. God simply told us that we need a day of rest, and a day devoted to Him. As long as we understand His intent by it and honor it, I don't think it makes a difference which specific day it is. Otherwise, we would be under the law again like the Pharisees were. Since Christ died, the law is for our benefit, rather than our bondage.

Actually I withdraw my question of the first post here.

I was just looking in Lev 23 at verses 6 thru 16, it states the the feat of unleavened bread begins on the fifteenth day of the same month (nissan) and it is seven days which are called Sabbaths.

So Jesus then would have risen in the early hours the eve of the sixteenth day of Nissan.  The third day.

Now, this would not affect what was ordained with regard to the orginal Sabbath Day of Rest.

Except I do agree with Heidi, these ordinances concerning feat days were done away with in Christ.




Thanks,

Petro

This is my very first submission, so if I did not follow proper forum etiquette, I apologize.

1. Right on. There is little doubt that God thinks that any other day besides the seventh is the weekly Sabbath.
2.  God's Holy Days were considered sabbaths, like in this example speaking about the Feast of Trumpets:

Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first [day] of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

1. Jesus ate this "new testament passover" as some call it a day before the Jews ate theirs. You'll notice in the scriptures preceeding that the Israelites kept the lamb till the 14th and then ate it that *night*, which would really be the 15th, being the first day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread (since in God's eyes the days begin at even and end at even) per Lev 23:6.

    Exd 12:5   Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take [it] out from the sheep, or from the goats:  
    Exd 12:6   And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.  
    Exd 12:7   And they shall take of the blood, and strike [it] on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.  
    Exd 12:8   And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; [and] with bitter [herbs] they shall eat it.  

2. Now if you take what you already know about Gods Holy Days being "sabbaths", then what Petro refers to as 'no doubt it had to be the sixth day' could potentially fall on any day of the week, because the Passover day moved around from year to year (speaking only from a position of what day of the week it fell on) by knowing that the next day was a "sabbath" :

Mar 15:42   And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,  
Mar 15:43   Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.  

Which could mean "weekly sabbath" or "holy day sabbath".


1. The Passover was not a sabbath per Lev 23:4-5. On the other hand, the next day, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, was a Sabbath and a 'high day' (john 19:31).

Jhn 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.  

2. These men (the Pharisees) were eating the Passover on the 15th just as the Israelites did on that first Passover. If you will read the above quotations from Gen 12:5-8, they killed the Passover on the 14th, and then ate it that night which would consequently be the 15th.

1.   I don't think one could say that Passover was ending because Passover was a whole day, so that morning when the cock crowed, that was still the 14th.

The beauty of this is that when Christ died being crucified to death, this was the same time the Passover Lamb was being killed. How beautiful God works his plan out!

I also have a question for Heidi.
Could you please elaborate on what you mean by keeping 'the meaning of the law' versus keeping 'the letter of the law' and which 'law' are you referring to. Since this particular thread is about the Sabbath, does this mean we are, as Christians, to observe the 'no servile work therein?'

elmer,

Greeting's, sorry I hadn't had an opportunity to answer your post, due to time constraints and matters I had been tending to..

I have read your post, and feel that most important thing to addrees first is, your explanation of the keeping of the passover on the "14 day of Nissan" as commanded in Lev 23.

It is inconsistant to say the they kept the passover if they ate it on the 15th day, what, or how is it, you believe they kept the passover a totally separate feats day from the feats days that followed, one day later which would be the beging of a new feast of seven days, if you go back to Leviticus and read it very carefully, you will see, the the feast of unleavened brerad begins on the 15th day of the same month and lasts seven (sabbath) days, please focus on verse 5 and 6.

By adding 1 passover sabbath day to 7 unleavened bread sabbath days, we have a total of 8 sabbath days begining with the 14th day of the month of Nissan.

The scriptures at Heb 3,4:10, speak of another day with regards to the rest of the people of God.

Jesus arose on the first day of the week, could this be the new Sabbath??

Then we can consider the rest of your post..to see hows it adds up.

Thanks

Petro

A point I missed, and that is that no meat or greens are commanded to eaten during the seven feast days begining on the 1q5th day.

Maybe someone who is more knowledgeable can shed light on this matter..

Petro

Perhaps this may help to understand the timing, as well as the sacrifice of Passover...

First of all, what was the Passover?  For one, it was a remembrance of God's deliverance of the nation of Israel from bondage in Egypt.  Moreover, it was a picture of what was to come - or rather Who.  For example, the man of the house would choose for his family 7 days prior to the sacrifice a spotless lamb.  The family would set this lamb aside from the others, would care for it explicitly, would come to care for it and be attached to this lamb - all the while understanding what was to become of it.  On the day of sacrifice, the man would bring his lamb to the temple.  When his time came, he would place the lamb on the ground, and lean over the lamb, on to the lamb, placing his weight on the lamb.  A very picturesque manner of showing his dependence on the sacrifice about to be made.  Then the priest would slit the throat of the lamb.  The lamb would collapse with its owner falling atop of it.  Another priest would then receive the spilt blood into a bowl.  That blood would be thrown on the side of the altar, and the sacrifice would be complete apart from the portioning of the lamb, and the feast to follow.  Now, as a side note, consider this in perspective.  There would have been thousands of Jewish males in Jerusalem for this sacrifice.  The sacrifice would have taken the day - or more specifically between the hours of 9:00 am and 3:00 pm, as set by the Law.  Moreover, it would have been a bloody mess.  Thousands of slain lambs, an altar covered in blood, priests sprayed by the blood splattered on the altar, men covered in the blood of their own sacrifice upon falling atop of their lambs.  God was making a very real point.  Sin costs blood.  And until God made His Passover sacrifice, it would be so.

Now, it is important to understand with this in mind, that Jesus was that Passover sacrifice.  It is also interesting to note that He went to the cross at 9:00 am and died at 3:00 pm.  What's more, as He was suffering on the cross for the sins of us all, the priests would have been slitting lambs throats, catching the blood, and throwing it against the altar for the forgiveness of Israel's sin.  While they did this, the Lamb stood before the Father, was "leaned" on by the sins of mankind, and was slain.  That blood was eternally sufficient.  No more sacrifice was needed.  How do we know this practically?  At the time of His death, the veil was torn from top to bottom.  The perfect sacrifice to bring man into a right relationship with God had been made, received, and accepted.  That just chills me to think about.

Now, for this to be...the timing would be consistent with the process.  Hopefully this helps.   :)

 

I have to say, Petro, I enjoy reasoning from the scriptures with you. It seems I am always replying to a "Petro" entry. You seem very knowledgeable, and I thank you for participating in this forum.


Why is that strange that there should be a seperate Feast one day right after the other, how is that inconsistant. As my earlier post said, the Children of Israel ate the lamb in the night of the 15th (which yes, would have been the 1st day of Unleavened Bread), right after they killed the lamb in the evening on the 14th. Your post is somewhat confusing in that you are saying it does not make sense the Passover is before Unleavened Bread, but how else can it be. I am not sure of the point you are trying to make. Let me put up the scripture you said to read carefully, and tell me where I am going astray.

Lev 23:5   In the fourteenth [day] of the first month at even [is] the LORD'S passover.  
    Lev 23:6   And on the fifteenth day of the same month [is] the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.  

Now maybe the confusion is coming from when you eat the passover. The Passover service was that service that Allinall seemed to describe very thoroughly. Now when you eat the passover as it says in Exodus...

   Exd 12:6   And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.  
    Exd 12:7   And they shall take of the blood, and strike [it] on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.  
    Exd 12:8   And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; [and] with bitter [herbs] they shall eat it.  

Am I reading this wrong? It seems at least that they ate that "night of the 14th", but in God's eyes, that of course was the 15th (because the new day begins at sundown).


And as to the idea that Unleavened bread is seven sabbaths, please read the note I left on the "3 days and 3 Nights" post concerning Pentecost/The Feast of First Fruits.



Whoa, I never heard this before. Please explain what you mean by a 'new Sabbath.' If God changed the sabbath from the Seventh Day to the First, then that is pretty important (expecially since the Sabbath and His Holy Days were a perpetual (forever) covenant with God's people). Please elaborate, especially since this what this post is all about.

Just thought that you might find this of interest? ;)
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then we see another guy when he is posting up, the poor chap, gets hammered?  


Well some chaps are like like a poorly burned CD-R playing a low quality mp3 ripped from a corrupted .wav file of a bad country and western song taken from an already broken record. record. record. record. record. record. record...  

What gets raked over here is content-based. Usually a lack of content or terribly incomplete, one-sided, indefensible content.

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It sure sounds like some on here have no real desire of wanting to hear the Masters Words of.. "IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMANTS"


I don't think anyone here questions that Jesus said that. And certainly none of us begrudge Him saying it. But so far no one has shown us where Jesus insisted we keep the orignal sabbath or were bound by the Law. Instead, He summed up the new law for us in two commands. Love God- Love each other. And that, to me, is black and white. (And red in some cases...  )

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Anyway, thanks, & in all sincerity, the [one post ]here, is a good one!


No problem. Same to you.  


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Just a couple quickies! ,

There are two tables of stone, i think that most would agree to this? Have you ever tried to understand the division of these from the ten? Two commandments, yet one Covenant. (Heb. 13:20) Something like Ten links of [one] chain. James states if one 'link' is broken the 'chain' is BROKEN! James 2:8-12. How would one feel hanging from any mountain top by that 10 linked chain & then see satan's helper (?) cutting out any one link??  

(Hay, i am not talking of the ones Moses wrote in a book & put in the [side] of the Ark! Deut. 31)

My thinking is about the Rev. 11:19 'testament' in the heavenly 'Ark'.
Or the LETTER OF CHRIST CHARACTER as seen in 2 Cor. 3:3's ones.

Perhaps you cannot agree with my thinking on that ? Anyway, try to divide the ten up into [just] two tables when you have some extra time.
Rom. 13 might be of help?
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"MY GRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR THEE, FOR MY STRENGTH IS MADE PERFECT IN WEAKNESS" 2 Cor. 12:9

I believe His Word! Pastor N.B.

Dear JtB,

These next posts could go off on a million different sub-topics pertaining to God's Law and Jesus's Law as you have sub-divided, but I have to ask you, if we love God, what are the things we do for him, for we are certainly never saved by works through God's grace, but what is our 'resonable service' to be a servent of God. ( I have read your posts before about works and grace, and if I remember correctly you firmly believe that there are certain things a Christian should do, for "faith is dead without works" and so on...)

Rom 12:1   I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

Is the Sabbath important anymore? I do believe it is. We could go into the whole "no jot nor tittle," but what about the description of the Sabbath back in Exodus...

Exd 31:16   Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual covenant.  
Exd 31:17   It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.  

If it was perpetual, then it was forever. How is a major thing like the Sabbath, the day God Himself rested from his creation, 'get fulfilled' by Jesus's Death? There is no doubt that he fulfilled prophesy by dieing, but how can one say he fulfilled the Sabbath which is a sign for his people. Yes, the two commandments you mentioned are the two big commandments, but you forgot the next verse of that quote:

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

I think if anything, by Jesus coming to the earth he made the Law (part of which is the Ten Commandments) enriched, to make it ever more applicable...just like the example he gave about thinking about another Man's wife is a sin, even if you do not "do" it.

Jesus may fulfill the Sabbath one day, when there is no need to distinguish his people (the Sabbath distinguished the Israelites from the rest of the nations back then) - who knows, but just as Jesus said to follow his example, he taught at the synogogue on the Sabbath... it was his custom, and I am moved to follow that.

John the Baptist, I dont want to argue, I want to discuss and reason out of the Word of God. I do believe Jesus changed the law, but not in that it does not apply to us (by fulfilling or not), but in that it applies to us even more.

Peace
Jason

Under the Law there was a day set apart for the people to worship.  Under grace there is a people set apart for a lifetime.  :)

Oklahoma Howdy to Allinall,

AMEN! Brother. This is only part of the JOY in the GOOD NEWS of the GOSPEL OF GOD'S GRACE. Yes, God's children can fellowship with Jesus 365/24/7 during this short life on earth. Yes, God's children have the Holy Spirit living in their hearts as a SEAL OF THE PROMISE of ETERNAL LIFE IN GLORY WITH OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST.

Yes, God's children are set apart forever!

Thanks be unto God for HIS unspeakable GIFT!

In Christ,
Tom

Short but sweet Brother BEP, Amen

Brother Love :)

Amen Tom!

   

 Bep true,but we are still REAL busy with things,
and He wants us..........as His people to set a day
apart for Him,no work,just to study & learn about
Him and rest.
    Shabbat(Sabbath) is sundown Friday to sundown
Saturday.Or like up here the sundowns can be crazy,
so it's supper to supper.


             In His Love,
             curious  ;D

He does NOT want us to keep the Sabbath. Resting in Christ 365/24/7

Grace & Peace
Thank You Jesus

Brother Love :)

Oklahoma Howdy to Curious,

I really feel sorry for people who only have the Sabbath to worship Almighty God and have fellowship with our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ fulfills the Sabbath in the hearts of HIS willing children every day. There are seven days in every week to worship Almighty God, and there are seven days in every week to fellowship with our Lord and Saviour who lives in our hearts.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the law on the cross, and the Gospel of God's Grace was made manifest to mankind as a GIFT of LOVE in and through Jesus Christ. A child of God has no need to know what day it is. HIS WORK for HIS children was finished at the CROSS. I have been bought, paid for, and belong to Jesus Christ 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. I have been delivered, set apart, and have the SEAL of the Holy Spirit on and in my heart. Every day is the Sabbath, and HE is in me, and I am in HIM. I am part of HIS BODY, THE BODY which is a CHURCH not made with human hands. This work is complete with total perfection IN AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, our Personal Lord and Saviour. All GLORY goes to ALMIGHTY GOD and none for man.

Thanks be unto God for HIS UNSPEAKABLE GIFT!

Love In Christ,
Tom

    I don't just worship Messiah on Shabbat,but
people get sooooooooooooo busy that their
minds get cluttered up.The Shabbat is a day
to be set apart to do that.To set apart,no
work,no buying stuff,you do it the day before.
So your heart & mind won't be on other things
like that......just Him.
      Answer me this....do you ever get busy so
that you are just thinking on what you are doing ?
Probably yes.
      I worship Messiah where I am,and I study
more than one version in the Bible,but I go mostly
by one version of the Bible.

                          In His Love,
                          curious  8)

Yet another Amen Brother

Brother Love :)

Bep  
    You mean you NEVER get sooooooooo busy that
your mind is going around & around so much that
Messiah is pushed to back of your mind ? He has me,
and most,if not all Christians.Even after Sundays
people go places,buy stuff,etc.You can't do that on
Shabbat.I shouldn't say can't,because I can,but it
says not to,so I don't.


               In His Love,
               curious   8)

Oklahoma Howdy to ElmerGlue,

Your message was somewhat confusing, but I think that I see the part from you that is new. I don't have a vendetta against anyone, and I'm certainly not anti-Semitic.

The topic of the Sabbath has been worn out so many times here and in so many threads that I and many others are tired of discussing it. I think there is overwhelming proof already posted in numerous threads that should settle this issue in a Biblical way. However, it's like a broken record on a record player that you can't unplug, and it keeps playing over and over.

If your comments are directed at me for not continuing the discussion with Curious, I already said what I had to say and Curious didn't add any content. I, for one, am through debating this issue. It appears to be a complete waste of time. If someone wishes to worship God on the 7th day, that's fine, I worship and rest in God 7 days (24/7/365).

If someone wishes to see both sides of the issue, it is already posted in probably a dozen threads.

In Christ,
Tom

    Yes we are supposed to obey Messiah 24/7,but do you
  EVER get sooooooo busy that you push Him to the back of your mind ?? We are to get everything done before Shabbat,then Shabbat set apart JUST for HaShem & Messiah.The reason I haven't answered is because I have been busy,going on a trip Late Thu.I know that I have been guilty of being sooooooooo busy that He gets put in the back of the back of my mind.I think that's true with most everyone. I have read what you have said. I have tried to understand what you are saying,have you been doing the same with me.I know that you have read what I have wrote,but have you tried to understand it,or just been saying "He's wrong !!!"


                 In His Love,
                 curious   8)          

Wow, i didnt know you spoke for the LORD!

Anyways a verse i found reguarding the day.Romans 14:5-6
14:5  One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
 14:6  He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
 

Oklahoma Howdy to Jabez,

All of these verses and many more have been posted probably a dozen times. I have posted one of the most clear portions of Scripture below. Pay particular attention the verse 16.

Col 2:8  Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10  And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11  In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12  Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13  And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15  And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

In Christ,
Tom

Very good post BEP,i just dont agree with BL idea that the Lord does not want us to keep the sabbath.The way BL is saying it is as he is speaking for the Lord.BL tell me how you can say that?

Oklahoma Howdy to Jabez,

Brother, I think you are talking about a word usage misunderstanding (semantics). God's children keep the Sabbath 24/7/365. There is a finished work at the CROSS OF JESUS, and everything changed at that CROSS. Not only does the Holy Spirit live in the hearts of God's Children, but God's Children are members of THE BODY OF CHRIST 24/7/365. The lost obviously don't rest in Christ, but HIS flock does. The key to the Sabbath misunderstanding IS THE FINISHED WORK OF JESUS, our Lord and Saviour. All days are the Sabbath, so there can be no violation of the Sabbath day for God's Children. God's children already rest in JESUS because of HIS FINISHED WORK. It isn't semantics, rather it is a precious TRUTH that is distorted by some who seek self-righteousness by deeds of the Law instead of submitting themselves to the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF ALMIGHTY GOD and accepting HIS full GRACE AND LOVE.

If you look at this further, you will see that it is quite Biblical for God's children to say many things about the Sabbath.

In Christ,
Tom

Amen Brother Tom

Brother Love :)