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Title: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: Shammu on December 12, 2006, 10:26:33 PM
 Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
11:39 Dec 12, '06 / 21 Kislev 5767

(IsraelNN.com) Members of the Labor party, which is part of Israel’s government coalition, together with the head of the far-left Meretz Party, met with Fatah officials on Friday and agreed to both work toward an Israeli withdrawal to the pre-1967 borders.

Deputy Defense Minister Ephraim Sneh of Labor, as well as presidential candidate Colette Avital attended the Jerusalem meeting, along with Meretz leader Yossi Beilin.

The Fatah officials in attendance included Yasser Abed-Rabbo and Fares Kadoura, who were involved in Beilin’s Geneva Initiative, which Ariel Sharon cited as a factor which forced him to carry out the Gaza Disengagement.

Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=117253)


Title: Re: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: Shammu on December 12, 2006, 10:33:08 PM
Annan: Solution for refugees in Palestinian state

Retiring UN secretary general delivers concluding, balanced speech on situation in Middle East during Security Council's monthly discussion. On one hand he stresses occupation and Palestinian refugees, but on other hand he mentions terror and crimes against Israel

Yitzhak Benhorin
Published:    12.12.06, 20:49

WASHINGTON – UN Secretary General Kofi Annan on Tuesday evening presented his vision of peace at the Security Council's monthly discussion: Two states for two people based on the 1967 borders, with Jerusalem as their capital.

According to Annan, the solution for the refugee problem will be found in the borders of the future Palestinian state, and not by them settling in Israel , while borders of peace will be established opposite Israel's other neighbors – including Syria and Lebanon – and diplomatic and economic relations will be built.

Ahead of his retirement , Annan took advantage of the discussion in order to deliver a concluding speech on the situation in the Middle East, and attempted to present a balanced opinion on the Israeli-Arab conflict.

"One of the most frustrating aspects of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the apparent inability of many people on both sides to understand the position of the other, and the unwillingness of some to even try.

"The Arab-Israeli conflict is not just one regional conflict amongst many. No other conflict carries such a powerful symbolic and emotional charge even for people far away.

"I will leave office without an end to the prolonged agony. The Middle East today faces grim prospects. The region is in profound crisis. The situation is more complex, more fragile and more dangerous than it has been for a very long time."

According to Annan, in spite of the IDF soldiers' withdrawal and the evacuation of settlements last year, the Gaza Strip has become a cauldron of deepening poverty and frustration.

He added that the situation in the West Bank was also serious, simultaneous to the ongoing activities taking place in some of the settlements and the ongoing works to build the separation fence.

He reviewed the situation in the territories and said that Israel was preventing Palestinians from moving freely and noted that the Palestinian Authority was paralyzed by a political and economic crisis and was unable to provide security or fundamental services.

The outgoing secretary general said that in his opinion the problem lies in the Israeli stance: "It is completely right and understandable that Israel and its supporters should seek to ensure its security by persuading Palestinians, and Arabs and Muslims more broadly, to alter their attitude and behaviour toward Israel.

"But they are not likely to succeed unless they themselves clearly grasp and acknowledge the fundamental Palestinian grievance – namely, that the establishment of the State of Israel involved the dispossession of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian families, turning them into refugees, and was followed 19 years later by a military occupation that brought hundreds of thousands more Palestinian Arabs under Israeli rule."

He stressed that the majority of big political parties in Israel understand that the occupation must end for "Israel's own sake, and for the sake of its own security."

Annan explained that the desperation of the territories' residents, who only see barriers being built on their lands and more than 500 checkpoints to control their movements, was only growing, as well as their determination to resist the occupation.

The UN chief states that he agrees with Israel and its supporters that there is a difference – moral as well as legal – between terrorists, who deliberately target civilians, and regular soldiers who, in the course of military operations, unintentionally kill or wound civilians despite efforts to avoid such casualties.

He added, however, that "the larger the number of civilians killed and wounded during these operations, and the more perfunctory the precautions taken to avoid such losses, the more this difference is diminished."

'Appalling crimes against Israel'

Speaking in favor of Israel, Annan said that Israel is justifiably proud of its democracy and its efforts to build a society based on respect for the rule of law. He stressed that the Israelis continue to live in fear of terrorism and are dismayed by the inadequacy of Palestinian efforts to halt rocket attacks into southern Israel.

Turning to the Arab nations, Annan said that "it is completely right and understandable to support the Palestinian people, who have suffered so much. But Palestinians and their supporters will never be truly effective if they focus solely on Israel’s transgressions, without conceding any justice or legitimacy to Israel’s own concerns, and without being willing to admit that Israel’s opponents have themselves committed appalling and inexcusable crimes. No resistance to occupation can justify terrorism."

The outgoing secretary general also criticized the United Nations itself, saying that "I believe the actions of some UN bodies may themselves be counterproductive. The Human Rights Council, for example, has already held three special sessions focused on the Arab-Israeli conflict.

"I hope the Council will take care to handle the issue in an impartial way, and not allow it to monopolize attention at the expense of other situations where there are no less grave violations, or even worse."

Israel's representative at the council, Deputy Ambassador Daniel Carmon, praised Annan for his balanced remarks.

Annan: Solution for refugees in Palestinian state (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3339288,00.html)


Title: Re: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: Shammu on December 12, 2006, 10:40:33 PM
That's all well and good Mr Annan.........  But did anyong check on the other side, to see if this is okay with them??  Last I heard, they just want it all with the Jews either in the water or dead.

If they had spent half the aid money, they received on infastructure their land would be triving with schools, services, hospitals and the like.  Instead, they buy AK47s, mortars, rockets and the like.  Hard to get service out of these things.


Title: Re: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: nChrist on December 13, 2006, 04:13:59 AM
That's all well and good Mr Annan.........  But did anyong check on the other side, to see if this is okay with them??  Last I heard, they just want it all with the Jews either in the water or dead.

If they had spent half the aid money, they received on infastructure their land would be triving with schools, services, hospitals and the like.  Instead, they buy AK47s, mortars, rockets and the like.  Hard to get service out of these things.

Dreamweaver,

Brother, you just ruined any chance that you have to be a U.N. politician.   ;D

Forget about the truth and common sense if you ever want to be in charge of the U.N. Oh - wait a minute - you never said anything about wanting to be in charge of the U.N.   ;D


Title: Re: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 13, 2006, 05:07:49 AM
DW gets my vote for UN Secretary General.    ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: nChrist on December 13, 2006, 07:28:01 AM
DW gets my vote for UN Secretary General.    ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D   ;D

I just guess and say that Dreamweaver would have to be kidnapped and drugged just to get him inside the U.N. building. Now, things might be different if you gave him the right tools and told him they could be used in governing that body of thieves and cut-throats. If you gave him a remotely controlled electric charge that could be delivered to individual chairs, that might be a start. BUT, I'm thinking that he would hold out for a master button that would shock all of the members at once.   ;D


Title: Re: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 13, 2006, 09:50:40 AM
When you said the right tools I thought of a really big broom for sweeping out the trash.   ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: nChrist on December 13, 2006, 10:13:49 AM
Brother Roger,

I'm wrong to paint the entire U.N. as worthless because there are probably some honest and well-meaning members we don't hear very much about. SO, I'll just say that broom would probably be the right tool for most of them.

I think that the continual abuse of funds and resources after being caught in multiple scandals made average folks think they were not capable of being honest as a body. That would be without considering all of the bone-headed decisions and actions, especially over the last couple of decades. They would need at least 2 dozen Boltons to straighten things out.


Title: Re: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 13, 2006, 10:38:37 AM
We saw how it was getting just one Bolton in there. Imagine the fuss that would be made over 2 doz Boltons. I agree though that it would take at least that much.


Title: Re: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: Shammu on December 13, 2006, 11:59:26 PM
;D   ;D

BUT, I'm thinking that he would hold out for a master button that would shock all of the members at once.   ;D

Nope that still wouldn't do it. ;D ;D


Title: Re: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: Shammu on December 14, 2006, 12:00:56 AM
When you said the right tools I thought of a really big broom for sweeping out the trash.   ;D ;D ;D


You forgot about the garage truck................. ;D ;D

Even then it would take more then that........... ;D ;D


Title: Re: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: Shammu on December 14, 2006, 12:01:52 AM
We saw how it was getting just one Bolton in there. Imagine the fuss that would be made over 2 doz Boltons. I agree though that it would take at least that much.
AMEN!! now your talking. ;D ;D


Title: Re: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: Shammu on December 14, 2006, 12:02:49 AM
DW gets my vote for UN Secretary General.    ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thank you but, no thank you.


Title: Re: Labor Officials Agree to Work toward Withdrawal to Pre-67 Border
Post by: Shammu on December 14, 2006, 12:03:43 AM
Dreamweaver,

Brother, you just ruined any chance that you have to be a U.N. politician.   ;D

Forget about the truth and common sense if you ever want to be in charge of the U.N. Oh - wait a minute - you never said anything about wanting to be in charge of the U.N.   ;D

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D