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  Do you trust God absolutely ?

Are you surrendered to him in such a way that you will do whatever he asks of you ?

Remember Abraham's faith.....he was willing to sacrifice his own son...just because God asked him to.
 And that is why he is called the 'Father of the faithful'...God's friend.

God will test you....to see how loyal you really are.
 He will ask you to do things that you do not want to do....GUARANTEED !

Yes, I trust God  very much. Being a widow I place full trust in Him.  And He watches over every aspect of my life. He guides me, comforts me, strengthens me and I could never live a life without Him.
He has given me friends I never thought I would ever have. I trust Him implicitly.  
He knows what things we have need of before we even ask Him. And often, I have nothing to pray for in my own life, so I just like to talk to Him, as a friend.  Especially when I view the sunset or something in nature really beautiful.
He is special.  He is my God.
Love. Tamara.

God systematically expands my trust. Right when I'm through a new hurdle, he puts a new one out-bigger and more imposing than the last. It shows me that faith isn't of ourselves-it is from God Himself. I love that about Himj.

Do you trust him enough to keep the 7th day Sabbath....even though you may not understand why....but just because he asks you to ?

Daredevil, the 7th day Sabbath worries me.  I want to keep it, but I have been told that if I do, I will be a very lonely christian.  There is nobody in my town to keep the 7th Day Sabbath with.  They all worship on Sunday.  So, I stay close to Christian Sites on the Web on the Saturday.  That way, I am not a very lonely christian.
Why was the day changed?  I do not understand it! Father said it was a perpetual Day.  Jesus did not change the day, nor did the Apostles!  
On the first day of the week they merely met together, for convenience I would guess for none would have dared to change the Sabbath!  It's a holy Day! Sanctified and blessed by the Lord God Himself!  
I am very confused about this matter.  I don't believe we should worship on the day Jesus was raised from the dead, but, if that is what Father wants, then we must obey!
We have entered into His rest from the Jewish laws and religion.
I just pray Father sets me right on this matter. If not, I'll keep on keeping the 2 days of rest...need it anyway...
Love..Tamara.

Tricky one,i beleive that if you keep sunday as the sabbath that is fine,i was always brought up that sunday was the day,and thats how iam now as a adult.My spirt,heart and mind are always open for i live to please GOD.

Jesus said: "IF..you love me..keep my commandments", (John 14:15).
 The commandments that Jesus wrote out are the 10 commandsments as found in Exodus 20:3-17.
 Included in those commands is the 4th commandment...the 7th day Sabbath.
 "REMEMBER..the Sabbath day,,to keep 'it' Holy".

Jesus warned people about worshiping himself in vain (Matthew 15:3,9).
 Sunday worship services are vain worship according to Christ.
 And what excuse do people have when they have access to a Bible and don't study it to know for sure what is the truth ?

Jabez answered he lives to please God.  But, I cannot help but wonder how are we pleasing God if we purposely ignore one of His 10 Commandments?
Father insists we keep the 10. Not miss on even 1 Commandment.
I AM NOT  a Seveth Day Adventist. I am just an ordinary christian.  And, I have a very deep conviction about this sunday worship.  It seems to me to be like the mark of the beast!
Fact is fact.  The Jewish never changed the day...so who gave permission for the day ever to be changed?
It's a puzzlement...
In Love Tamara.

Hebrews 4:
7 Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before:
   "Today, if you hear his voice,
       do not harden your hearts."

Romans 14:
4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

Colossians 2:
15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Can't we gaither every day if we wanted, to worship?Or is that vain?Please.........Iam willing to listen.

sorry for getting off topic,i appologise.I will start a new thread

Well, I'm wondering what it was about Sabbath days that was being contested. As for the actual day that we celebrate it, that may be our difference, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's what Paul is addressing. It could very well be, but as far as I know, what the Bible tells us to do as a commandment wouldn't be what is contested. Because is there any contest about what a Commandment actually teaches? I've been keeping a seventh day sabbath for a couple of weeks now because it's what my Bible tells me.

Can't we gaither every day if we wanted, to worship?

I think that's a wonderful idea. 'Course I could be prejudiced cause that's how we do it... ;)

Well, I'm wondering what it was about Sabbath days that was being contested.

Maybe the rest part? The worship part should be daily!

I'd have to pretty much agree with sincereh, or the scriptures she quote's there, on this one.

DareD, you aren't like going off the deep end here, are you?

Like you're reminding me of the extremist type 7th Day Adventist(which remind me sometimes of the Jesuit faction w/in the Catholic church...?)?

Yes, God will test us.  " I said in my heart with regard to the sons of men that God is testing them to show them that they are but beasts."                                          Eccl. 3:18

And if our testing seems as suffering:  "Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same thought, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin..."  I Peter 4:1

I love that verse b/c it says if you're suffering then you won't be sinning!!

Not a very pleasant thought.  I was trying to avoid suffering if I at all could. :-[


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What in the world does the commandment have to do with the Sabbath?

First of all, we live under grace.  Not by the law.  Paul completely blew the 7^th Adventist theory out of the water with Romans 14:4-5 (quoted by sincereheart).

Second, the commandment doesn't say "Gather together that day."  It says, "Do not work, and keep it holy."  Most people don't work already on Saturday.  Fellowship should be an all-week event, not on Sunday only.  Nobody says that we shouldn't meet on Wednesday night, though many churches do.

The 7^th Adventist doctrine is so full of holes, it looks like a Democratic national policy.

Those are my principles.  If you don't like it, I have others.

(Groucho Marx)


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Thankyou 5020! You have answered my question!  Of course we are not to work but to keep the Sabbath holy.  THIS is where I was confused!
I agree with everything you say.  Clear, concise answers are what we need.
I thought we were supposed to keep the Saturday as the Sunday is kept with meetings, ect. But, now I see clearly!  I've been keeping the Saturday Sabbath all along!  And, it hasn't cost me a cent.
I'm not a Seventh Day Adventist & have no wish to be an extremist. I just want to be a good christian obeying all the commandments.
Thankyou once again!
Love...Tamara.

God does not object to every day worship....it is the replacing of His Holy Sabbath with Sunday that he objects to.

Can you answer the qeustion?When is sabbath day?I know the 7th day,but when is that?please dont use a man made calendar for proof.

Well, I have to be honest here and say that I love Him every day of the week, and every day is like a Sabbath to me.  I don't really care which day I put aside for worship and meetings as He is with me all the time!  I have meditated on this question for a time since my last posting and came to the conclusion that it was a Jewish law.  I'm not Jewish.  They have kept the day as requested, but then, most of them rejected the Son of God. And now, as we live under Grace, that's good enough for me!

Love...Tamara.

Oklahoma Howdy to Tamara,

AMEN!, Well said!

Many don't study what is meant when the Holy Bible says that Christ came to fulfill the law. Many don't understand why the Gospel of God's Grace is so joyous and is THE GOOD NEWS. Just ONE of the beautiful JOYS is being able to pray and fellowship with our Lord and Saviour 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and all without the help of a High Priest. Another beautiful JOY is the Holy Spirit in HIS children and walking with HIS children 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Thanks be unto God for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour! Living under GRACE is LOVE and TRUTH for God's children. We were bought and paid for by THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF JESUS. We have been delivered to HIM and we belong to HIM --- adopted, safe, and secure for ETERNITY. Another JOY of the GOOD NEWS is ETERNITY, not just one day.

In Christ,
Tom

Are we talking about the sabbaths in the Law of Moses?
Or, are we talking about the 7th day Sabbath in the Law of God ?

Hebrews 4:
7 Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today...

And if you know the Bible you'd know the difference between the 2.

 ::)

I don't suppose ANY of us will ever KNOW all of God's Word while we're here. Though we should continue to study it prayerfully! I do know Christ as my Saviour and will continue to follow Him.  ;)

Me too Sincere!  Thankyou for Hebrews 4:7..I was trying to find that in the Bible!

Love...Tamara

We know how we use this verse, but the question to study is, what was Paul addressing? Because you'd have to do away with the fourth commandment, which some are in the habit of doing.

To get a sound understanding of scripture, it's important to put our own agendas aside and focus on what the Lord wants. We as fallen human beings have a tendency to filter the Lord's will through our own, and then create doctrine accordingly by shaping scripture around our own desires. People do it with tithes all the time. But this is a trap many people fall into without knowing it.

I had a hard time with this one I can say sometimes yes and sometimes no.  

Faith is trust and if you have true faith you will trust. If God be for us who can be against us?

Ditto!

Ollie, this is true. The problem is, our faith sometimes fluctuates in strength. If you've had three members of your family die within a couple of years, if you've battled a serious illness, etc., there will be times when you do wonder. Because we all do have this thing called the flesh. If even Job was brought to the point of questioning, if Jeremiah did, the apsotles did, and Peter even denied Christ in a moment of weak faith, it raises the troubling question: is anyone safe?

The higher we go in our faith, the more severely it is tested. The more knowledgeable we become, the more tricky the evil one becomes in his deceptions, the more vicious his assaults.

One example I find so helpful is the example of Peter. I'm sure he didn't realize what Jesus meant when He acknowledged Peter's undeniable willingness, but then pointed out the weakness of his flesh. I used to think Jesus was talking about the apostles' sleepy physical flesh. They couldn't stay awake long enough to pray. But now I know Jesus was pointing out to Peter that he was mistaking in himself willingness for strength. The two do not necessarily coincide. Such zeal as to pull out a sword and lop off an ear in front of an armed band did not translate into the same zeal in front of a mere servant girl just a while later, because Jesus was no longer with Peter. Thrice Jesus told the apostles to wake up and pray, and thrice Peter denied Christ. And thrice Jesus asked him if he loved Him (using a word meaning sacrificial love). And thrice Peter was forced to say he loved Jesus with a lesser, affectionate love. And yet this man was one of Christ's inner circle and later learned to love Jesus with this sacrificial love.

You made a great point about the connection between faith and trust-I loved that.

Could it be that some of the denial found in Peter was God's way of protecting Him for the work ahead?

I find Peter's lack of faith when Christ asks him to come out on the water with Him, and when Peter does it begins to storm and Peter is afraid and sinks, very endearing and encouraging. Here is this human man with all the weakness of man and he doubts when filled with worldly fear that he can be with Christ and walk on water, but Christ pulled him out and took him for a great work for which Peter laid down his life.

The lesson here being that when worldly doubt sets in and we wonder  if we can make it and become so afraid. Christ is there to pull us out. We overcome our human frailties through Christ. We must turn to HIm as Peter did.


 Matthew 14:22.  And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away.
 23.  And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone.
 24.  But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary.
 25.  And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.
 26.  And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.
 27.  But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.
 28.  And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
 29.  And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
 30.  But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
 31.  And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?[/u]
 32.  And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
 33.  Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Trust in God is the same as the woman with the issue of blood.
We reach out for His Love, He heals us of everything, and we carry His love in our hearts forever...think about it.

Love...Tamara.

Ollie, amen. Peter is my favorite-so zealous, so outspoken, full in for God. He boldly proclaims that Jesus will never be subjected to washing his feet, but when he learns there is a spiritual application, a cleansing from sin, he wants a whole bath. I love that guy.

Tamara, God is so good, isn't He? I can just see that woman's relief when she finally wasn't sick anymore. And in heaven, we'll all be cured of everything. I really don't think we're even going to remember our sufferings anymore.

Once we get to Heaven Whitehorse, we won't WANT to remember some of the sufferings on earth!!LOL!  
Yes, that poor lady just reached out in complete knowledge that she would be healed if she but touched His garment.  What sheer and utter belief.   That is the most beautiful example of faith we can see.  She was obviously very weak.  And, He healed her without knowing!  The Holy Spirit in Jesus reacted immediately.  Just because she has so much trust.
That lady is our example in complete acknowledgement Father can do anything - immediately!

Love..Tamara.

   Yes I do trust God.  The first thing I do when I awaken is thank
Jesus for keeping me safe through the night and ask Him to help me
live for Him throughout the day.  To give me His Love and Compassion
for people and to guide me that I may honor Him in all my thoughts,
words and deeds.  I know I only make it through my day because of
His Love for me and caring.   I trust Him to get me through the night
 and day in His protection.  I trust Him as Savior and Lord
and depend on Him for my journey through this life that one day I will
be with Him forever in Heaven.  He is to be praised forever.

Amen!!

Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. And by the seventh day God completed His work which he had done; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work... Here is the first week; from this pattern, we get our seven-day week.

It is interesting to note that, though years, days, and months have been calculated by man according to the sun, moon, etc., we do not find a scientific reason why mankind celebrates the week. Its just there. Seven days, the historic number for perfection.

For the Son of Man [Jesus] is Lord of the Sabbath. The works of necessity are allowed on the "day of rest"; Jesus's disciples were following Him, and, passing through a cornfield, and being hungry, they plucked some ears and rubbed off kernels to eat. The Pharisees went wild, not because the disciples took someone else's corn, but because they did it on the Sabbath. Jesus rebukes the Pharisees, and tells them to not condemn the innocent. (By the way, this sort of reaping is allowed by Old Testament law.)

I will not go into details about why some people worship on the first of the week, and others on the traditional seventh day, nor will I condemn one or the other. I do not think it is wrong for God's children to worship whenever they have need to. Just trying to answer a piece of your question, Jabez!  :)

We are not to judge anyone...but God will punish those who are disobedient to his commands.
Why ?
Because they have shown that they do not love their Lord, by obeying what he tells them to do. Jesus said: "IF..you love me...keep my commandments".


Jesus also said: "BUT IN VAIN...do they worship me, teaching for doctrine the commandments of men", (Matthew 15:9).

Sunday worship services is a man-made idea....in disobedience to what God has said to do.

I do not believe in god, i trust myself in doing the right thing  :)

Your a lot like some of the ones here on this forum. They believe they keep there salvation, by being good.


The Crusader