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It seems there is a bit of struggling going on, but I don't feel that a lot of it is his fault. Some though. I feel He needs our prayers more than ever before. There are forces out to attack him no matter how good he does.

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

I would first say that we are obviously living in difficult times. We are also experiencing many things for the first time, so we are in uncharted territory. This, alone, should be enough, but there is much more.

There is an election coming blood letting. Many of the politicians have sunk to new lows. There also appears to be a news frenzy on just about every tidbit of information that comes out, true or not. However, this is also just the beginning. There are many arising issues that are sure to create turmoil and test the moral fiber of America.  

I definitely think that every Christian needs to pray for our leaders every day, regardless of whether they agree with them or not. I would obviously say the same thing about praying for our troops, regardless of whether one agrees with the war or not.

So, how is President Bush doing? - Much better than anyone could possibly hope for, including his political enemies.

In Christ,
Tom

Good, I like him, and I trust him over the Democratic Candidates.

He gave a personal reply, from the Oval Office, yesterday, to Ted Kennedy's verbal attack, that Bush was using Iraq for political reasons.  Bush replied Kennedy "uncivil".


He's doing about as best as one could do, in that office.  I don't think anyone could do any better, given these circumstances.

Kennedy's, and other's, assault could be seen as desperation.  Bush has done admirably, I think.  So there would be a lot of jealousy.

As the attacks become more vociferous, then, that probably mean Bush is doing a better and better job.

Same with us as Christians--the closer our walk with Jesus, the sharper the attacks, no doubt.

I think we can be very thankful for President Bush, and should keep him and his cabinet--VPCheney, AG Ashcroft, SS Powell, CZ Rice, Sec of Defense(name?)--daily in our prayers...

(http://channels.netscape.com/cp/crime/features/i/hillaryclinton40.jpg)

     ;D

There is a lot of propaganda going around about Bush, lies ans twisted that make people dislike him him/ Think about it this way, it is commonfor the Contenders to attack the Current officer holder. Only problem is, there are around 9 contenders, and many more still tryign to get in the race, and they are all coming up with slightly different ways to attack Bush. He is getting attacked from side. Oh Well. Bush doesn't have the resources to attack them all, and if he attacks one, they will turn it around. He is doing the wise and admirably. Lets hope the brainwashing the Dem's have given to the public will not cause Bush to lose...

I don't really know how he's doing.  Maybe I can email him and ask him.  I do know he needs to stay away from pretzels though.

lol ;)

At the U.N., today, in New York...

(http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030923/i/1064331204.2685263986.jpg)

That black cord really makes the photo priceless.

I think he's doing a good job, I think he has a terrible situation to deal with during his presidency, I can't believe how the country on the one hand mourns 9-11 as they should, and then turns around and bashes bush for doing anything about it.

But I think those peace talks have got to end. Asking Israel to make peace with Palestine...he's a professing Christian and I need for him to understand why this is not a good idea to try to give control over the land God gave His chosen people, to God's enemies. In any respect. But I love the guy. I think he's a great president.

I think he is doing lousy. Does not mean I think anyone else could do better. I think we should have finished Afghanstan first, before we took on Irag. I think it crazy to get so worked up about 3900 people dying in 9/11, but don't seem to notice that many abortions a day.  I really do believe we should fix one problem before we go on to more problems. It may not be popular, but it would save lives and money.
  And just for the record, I have not trusted many politicans in my life time. We should pray, pray that God direct thier hearts as He will. But alas that might cost us our comfort.
  I will trust GW's judgement when it is his son's and daughters over there. Mine are there. His are not. Don't appreciate his smugness, when it is not his kids, or his money he is sending over there.

We did "finish" Afghanistan, militarily speaking.

I haven’t checked this out, but I’m pretty sure Bush can’t Bomb abortion clinics. ;) He is doing what he can to Fight abortion.

Hey my opinion was asked, I gave it. And try and tell the soldiers in Afghanstan it is finished. And where oh where is bin laden?                                                                               I am not asking anyone to bomb abortion clinics. He may be doing all he can to stop abortion, but it is not working. My comment about abortion was not directed a GW. It is just in how people percieve things. We mourned over 9/11 and rightfully so. But we don't mourn the same over those thousands of unborn babies being murdered. And before you get all upset, I am not pointing fingers. We means us as a country, the USA as a whole.
  I feel the world leaders are pushing us to the end of time. GW included. That is my opinion. And pushing Israel to make peace with palistine is about the dumbest thing I have heard of in awhile............ Just my 2 cents

There is no oganized resitance in Afghanstan. I'm still to bet just as many cops get kills in the line of duty, if not more, then soilders in Afghanstan. The war is over, was over before we started with Iraq.

A lot of Christians more the death of babies daily.

GW isn't Pushing any more then more other Prez has been pushing.

my 2 cents on your 2 cents ;D

To preface my comments I would like to state that I'm so thankful that Clinton is no longer the President. That wicked man did more damage to our national security than any other. Shame on a people who would vote him in not once; but twice. He also, had the morals of an alley cat. Who knows he may be the first president in history to contract AIDS!

On to George Bush.....and the issues.

1) On fighting terrorism; he has done a great job overseas....but maintaining security at our own borders, very poorly.(The borders should be closed ASAP)

2) On the Israeli- Palestinian issue, and the "Road Map to Peace"....terrible. He has had a double standard on how we handle terrorists, yet Israeli citizens are supposed to get slaughtered with no recourse. Not to mention the "land for peace' deals. He definetly has not looked at this from a Biblical viewpoint.

3) He does not mention being a Christian (rather he's a man of "faith") to non-Christians. He will speak of Christ to Christian audiences. He spends too much time trying to appease all faiths. He's a member of the United Methodist Church, which is affliated with the World Council of Churches ( a marxist organization)

4) Condolezza Rice and Gen. Powell are both pro-abortion.

5) Bush entertains members of the Log Cabin Republicans ( a sodomite group)

6) The Patriot Act and The Homeland Security Act (The brainchild of Clinton) have been passed under his leadership. There are some serious constitutional issues involved here.

7) NAFTA and GATT which were passed by his dad ,and the policies continue ,have done more to lose jobs in this nation and export them to China and Mexico.

Yes, I believe he is really trying....and he appears to be a sincere man. And yes, he's ten times the man ole' Clinton will ever be, but it's time Christians starting voting according to biblical standards and not pragmatism.There is another option...The Constitution Party.

Psalm 119

Oklahoma Howdy to Rafter,

I don't think you will find many here who support abortion. You spoke from your heart on this matter, and I can tell you for sure that abortion grieves the hearts of most Christians. Regarding a comparison of mourning between abortion and 9-11-2001, I think your point was valid. Mass, barbaric, and senseless murder defines them both. The difference is the magnitude, the number of victims, and ending it. I had high hopes that Roe vs. Wade would be overturned this year.  Many Christians here, including me, have been activists in trying to stop abortion for many years. I haven't forgotten and I won't stop. I don't advocate violence or illegal means to stop this. If abortion is part of the end times, we won't be able to stop it. The same would be true about any other event of the end times. I think that we can do all that is legally possible and pray that God's Will be done.

On a side note, my son is also in the Gulf. He firmly believes the terrorists should be engaged on their soil, not our soil involving our innocents. He is very proud of what he's doing and firmly believes he is serving his future children and grandchildren. I respect my son for what he believes and I agree with him.

In Christ,
Tom  

Thank you Tom for your reply. It is nice to hear from someone else who has children over there. My son and daughter-in-law are both in Baghdad. My son's has 3 children back here. It just gets difficult that's all.
  I should not have said anything about abortion, because I really was not pointing a finger at GW on this. Only that we have problems here that need to be addressed. We seem to be crumbling from the inside in this nation. Drug use is another major problem. And sometimes I feel we need to take the plank out of our own eye. So we can see clearly. By we, I mean as a country.
  I think Pslam's gave a pretty accurate discription of the job being done in the office of president. So I think I will leave it at that.
  And you are right I was speaking from the heart and did not say anything with the intent of stirring things up.
   God bless all who name the name of Jesus Christ.
       Denny

Yes, rafter opines the familiar refrain, God's own lamentation,  of 1 Samuel 8:11:  "These will be the ways of the king who will reign over you:  he will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen, and to run before his chariots....    (v.13) He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.  He will take the best of your fields and vineyards..."

No, Bush is no King.  But we are a nation and, a nation of the world and, we do behave as such(taxes, conscription, worldly courts who increasingly flaunt their authority in the face of the Most High(sodomy)).

True, rafter's children, as of yet, are volunteers, not conscripted.

Yes, we are rotting from the inside out.

God's lamentation was that we want a king of our choosing--and so He gave it to us--first, in the form of King Saul.  But God makes clear in no uncertain terms that it was for their hardness of heart that they wanted a King, and because they no longer loved the Lord...   And Bush, or any other "president", in our representative republic, is definitely a "king" of our choosing.  We do choose who will "rule" over us, in effect.

"And the Lord said to Samuel, 'Hearken to the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them...'"  (I Samuel 8:7)

Psalm119 makes some good points, as does rafter and most everybody here.

Maybe one question is, To what degree can Christians be involved actively in the secular society at all any more?  President Bush is a perfect living example to that critical issue:  His carefully worded reply to the reporter, at the end of July, just before leaving for his much needed August  vacation, as to how he regarded the sodomy issue.  He came as close to condemning the behavior as sin, while still cautioning about the mote in our own eye, as you could really diplomatically get.

But for the believer--for the prophet of old, and for the Christian of today--is even that what we are suppose to be doing??   Hmmmm.  When the harlot was thrown at Jesus' feet, did he condemn her for her harlotry?   Well, actually, yes, but not by picking up a stone with all the others.  Actually, instead, he appealed to the mote in one's own eye argument--which is really how Bush handled it, too--but at the same time cautioning her to "...go and sin no more".  Bush did, in so many words, really call homosexuality a sin.  Unfortunately, the White House came out the day following backpeddling on that, as I recall.

My own tack is to call a spade a spade.  Homosexuality(in this example, with Bush), is an abomination.  Would I say that publicly??   Yes, I think I definitely would.  I think maybe I better.  Did Bush do right by qualifying that?  Hm.

The risk that Bush was really doing it just in order to secure his position or to help insure reelection is just too great for me to avoid thinking.  We all have our "positions" to protect.  The risk is that we qualify our witness in order to protect our own safety.  Jesus said in Rev. 3:20  he will spew us out for our lukewarmness.

Jesus put himself in the exact opposite light.  Jesus put himself exactly where they could get him, regardless.  But again, even Jesus was "diplomatic"--or, perhaps, at least towards the harlot, forgiving, or loving.

But Psalm119 makes good points about Bush and the Republicans--that even they are compromising and, arguably, are just conservative Democrats, really.

But upon meditating further, now here two hours later, I'm thinking we as Christians can't afford to be compromising Jesus Christ.

There is only one truth, the truth that is in Jesus.  It is not "one of many faiths".

There is only one "faith", (...one baptism, one....?--isn't there a verse to that effect?).

I don't think we as Christians can afford to be giving anything other than that impression only.

And, as Psalm119 says, a member of that Methodist Church, which is another way of just saying "socialist"--that is, keyed into this mounting, world movement of socialism.  That may be a bit extreme, b/c Bush is avoiding the UN(well, sort of... :-\).   Oops, even there he's compromising.  Hmmm.

Yeah, almost just by definition, if you're involved in elected positions, etc., I'm thinking you better get out.

"See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ..."  (Colossians 2:8)

Maybe my ultimate point here though is that we still,under obligation, are praying for P. Bush, and his cabinet...

  In Jesus' Name

Oklahoma Howdy to Rafter,

Yes, it is difficult, more for you than myself. My son is single and has only himself to worry about. I can only imagine how difficult it is for families with children. My son is on an aircraft carrier, so my fear for his safety could not be compared to your concerns for your children. I will pray for you and your family.

You made many valid points in your post. I agree with you completely that America is rotting from the inside. I haven't given up hope on that issue either. It appears there is a loud and demanding minority who wish to turn away from, ignore, and hide Almighty God from public view. The opposite is the foundation of America, and God has richly blessed this nation. It is past time for Christians to wake up, stand up, speak up, and demand our country back. Many Christians are doing just that, and the numbers are growing by the minute.

In Christ,
Tom

Maybe my ultimate point here though is that we still,under obligation, are praying for P. Bush, and his cabinet...

Great post Symphony. And just to futher your ultimate point. We were under obligation to pray for Clinton and his cabinet also. Which I did, and refused to gossip about him. Even though I felt he was wrong, wrong, wrong. I still prayed for him. Sometimes we just have to be obedient.

Thanks Tom for your kind post. The compassion in it brought tears to my eyes. Sometimes I don't really know how upset I am about having my children in harm's way. I can't imagine how the people in the middle east deal with it day in and day out. At least I have the Rock Christ Jesus to cling to. And I have not given up hope on our decaying nation either. But to be honest I have been close this year on giving up on not only this nation, but unsaved family members also. I think it is in each one of our lives, the God given abilty to stand up and speak the truth. And to say it loud and often. And yes they will hate us for it, but if not we will hate our selves for not doing it.

One final note, to whom it may concern I pose a question.
 When did war ever bring peace? And how are we going to make things better in Iraq when we can't take care of our own back yard?????
 Oh yah, Lord guide our president and protect his heart against the ememy, whether it is the flesh, the world, or the devil. Direct his thoughts and cause him to make wise decisions. Not just for our country, but for your glory.

     In the Mihgty Name of Jesus,   Amen

How's President Bush Doing?  He's doing an excellent job at attempting to do no one else could or would in the world.  Let's stop thinking about ourselves for once and realize what comes around goes around in the world.  Sadaam is an evil being and he shopuld be ashamed at all the lives he's taken as a leader, taking advantage of the weak and poor that he created.  The other evil in Korea is exactly the same evil and keeps his people starving and weak, while the military is strong.  Our leaders in the congress and senate are traitors for downgrading President Bush for his leadership attempts when they are only thinking of their gain.  Our overall mindset is greed.  We all need to support our President for his first term in office and then support him for the second. ::) :)  

     :)