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"But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." [2 Peter 3.8].

Early in my walk with the Lord, I asked people what this meant, and they said it meant that God sees time differently than we do. Later, it seemed to me that it had to mean more than just that, so I asked God what it meant. Here is what He showed me that it refers to.

The Word tells us that God created for 6 days, and rested on the 7th day. According to scripture, (as I and many see it), Adam and Eve were created about 6000 years ago. The return of Jesus is very near, and He will reign for 1000 years. During which time Satan will be locked up.
So, 6 days, and one day: 6000 years, and 1000 years.
I could expound on this, but would like to see if any others have also had this revealed to them.

Your brother in Christ.  Roy.

HHMMM, I will await your explanation of this.  Could be intersting though.  Will will deffinately find a more than a handful of people that will come smack down your thought simply because they can't even see that the LORD is going to have a 1000 year reign on earth.  (hitch and reba for starters)

I think it's beyond clear that such will happen.  Aside from the blantent remark made in Rev, when exactly do people think the meak will inherit the earth.  We certainly know it isn't now.

There are flaws in the 6,000 year earth theory. There is a very detailed bible study that places the earth at about 13,000 years ago. You can look at it here http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/graphical_frame.html on the left side pick ‘literature’ next when the page opens click ‘The Biblical Calendar’. You’ll find it on the right side.
You are right to notice the connection between 2Peter 3:8 and the amount of time Satan will be locked up. He was locked up now he is loose. I am tired and that takes some energy and time to explain. But I am curious. Where did you ever get the idea that Christ’s return and the 1000 years are connected?

The only thing worth while about family radio is their music.  They have such wretched theology it makes me want to cry.  Telling people it's unbiblical to go to church yet he has all of his programs from churches around the country.

Apparently you subscribe to the false gap theory.  How can you possibly not see that there is a thousand year reign?

L.C.,

I can't get that link to work at the moment.  What evidence is given for this proposal?  Is it gap theory based?  I personally believe in the literal 6 day creation, as the Hebrew grammatical structure makes it certain, if not the general approach to contextual interpretation.  I'm just curious.

I have heard plenty of Harold Campings trash and he subscribes to a gap theory.  He also tells people (I have heard him myself) tell people it is not scriptural to go to chruch any more because satan is running them.  He is also an amellinialist.  At least the last I heard him and his teaching.

WOW you're not opinionated about them are you? There is nothing about leaving the churches in this study. And it is information YOU can check out. It is not a gap theory.
This is the text based link, perhaps it will work better.
http://www.familyradio.com/original/original.htm
You will find the study 3rd down on the left hand column.
Hear is an excerpt: I do not agree with all they say but this study and the one on sabbaths are very good.
I haven’t looked at the end of the church age study I first heard about it about a year ago. I had already been out of my church for three years. It wasn’t easy to do. There are wonderful people there and the pastor was a good man. Unfortunately what he preached was becoming more and more evident that it was not the gospel.
I sat and talked with him for a couple hours before I left. I asked questions and showed scripture. He couldn’t support his beliefs with scripture, and he had no reply for for the verses I brought up. His answers were, “I don’t know I’ll have to look in to that. I‘ll get back to you.” I appreciate the fact he was honest. But it has been 4 years and still no answer. I checked out Churches in town that I thought could have the truth, they did not. Predominantly they taught a grace plus works Gospel.
I travel on my job. Churches I had attended in the past had changed their teachings.
I am not sure he is wrong with this teaching. As far as using pastors, this is a new direction for them it doesn’t mean that some pastors can’t give a faithful sermon, you just have to separate the wheat from the chaff. And many of these men were true men of God, who are long since gone. Since I don’t know very much about this teaching I really can’t comment more. Maybe I’ll look in to it more.  
No where in the bible does it say Christ will reign on earth for a thousand years. NO WHERE.
Read a little more carefully.

Can you please explain revelation 20:1-6

The 1000 year reign isn't some lucid dream, nor is creation itself, it took and *will* take 6 days.

No more , no less. 6 days with the Lord, and also sabbath on earth.

Let's just keep these things simple

tnx

Amen, twobombs.  Take the Bible for what it says!

This is going to take more time than I have so I’ll cover only some of this.

Revelation 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This is a key verse to understanding the 1,000 year question.
Read this carefully, ‘souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus’. These are Christians who have died.
When a Christian dies where do they go?
They go to be with Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:8  We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
   
This is before the resurrection, notice they are absent from the body.
So the question is since Christians have been dying for over a thousand years how can that be possible?

2 Peter 3:8  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The thousand years is not a literal 1,000 years. Like all words in the bible numbers are subject to interpretation. Looking at 2 Peter 3:8 for guidance we could say 2 days is 2,000, 3 is 3,000 in essence 1000 represents the fullness of time. They will be with Christ until He returns.
What does the bible say about His return?

Matthew 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matthew 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 
Why did God put the sun and the moon and the stars in the sky?

Genesis 1:14  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
 
He did it to keep track of time. So when they are removed we are in eternity. The unsaved to outer darkness the saved will live in a world lit by the light of God. It will never go out.
Briefly, Jesus said you cannot plunder a rich mans house unless you bind him first. When Jesus went to the cross Satan was bound.
Did you ever think it strange that when Jesus walked the earth only a handful were saved yet after he went to the cross in one sermon thousands were saved.
Again it was not a literal 1,000 year binding. But I believe Satan is loose today. Gods word is now available all over the world. So now Satan can be loosed. We see this in many ways. Churches that give blessings to divorce by marrying divorced people.
Women pastors, Gay bishops, the signs and wonders churches are growing like wildfire, look at Benny Hinn.
In fact the slaying in the spirit fulfills Satan calling down fire from heaven. This is a tribulation like we have never known before.
I have to go to work.  

Gen 1:4,5
4  And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5  And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

These were 24 hour days, 12 dark, 12 light.  
Hebrew - 'ereb  - night
Hebrew - boqer - (as the break of day); gen. morning

God was the light until the fourth day.  There was no need to create another light source as God is light.  Then on the fourth day:
Gen 1
15  And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16  And God made two great lights,the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: ; he made the stars also.
17  And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18  And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19  And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.[/size]

So much text that is clearly about the night and day, that drives home the point in this seemingly compressed explanation of creation by Moses, it almost is as if, God knew men would try to deny his miracle of 6 day creation!

I agree, 1000 years a day, a day a 1000 years, 6 day creation 6000 years for man and then the 1000 millenium.  Those that want to believe the Revelation has already past are usually Roman Catholic, that is their teaching.

We definatly cannot deny Revelation. Who would?
And yes earth was created in 6 days.
But the earth according to scripture is 13,000 years old. Where did you ever get the idea it was 6,000?
When was the Flood?
Where does it say Christ will reign on EARTH 1,000 years?

Where does it say Christ will reign on EARTH 1,000 years?
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Already stated.
Read Rev. chapter 20.

What scripture(s)?

1000 yrs a day, a day a 1000 yrs.

Year   Year     Age
Born    Died     Died
Adam
1       930          930Seth        130      1042      912Enos        235      1140      905Cainan        325      1235      910Mahalaleel     395      1290      895Jared        460      1422      962Enoch        622      987      365Methuselah     687      1656      969Lamech     874      1651      777Noah        1056      2006      950NOTE: Methuselah either died in the flood or just before it rained.     Adam lived to see Lamech born.   
                  
                                            
   NOAH'S AGE when      600   1656 (year)   FLOOD   CAME         
   NOAH'S AGE when      601   1657 (year)   FLOOD   ABATED

If you follow the Bible geneology it gives you the above information: Genesis 5:3-32

I just started from the year 1, as the beginning sequenced up.

Please clarify I see no mention of earth.
Are you suggesting that Christ will be on earth for 1,000 years with the disembodied souls of Christians?

So your contention is in the approximate year 2345 BC we had the flood?
We actually have a very good written historical record that goes back about 5,000 years. The Egyptians were very good record keepers. As were the Chinese and Mayans.
 
The evidence does not support your theory. And there is nothing except fancy to develop a theory that 1 day equals 1,000 years 6 days of creation thus the earth is 6,000 years old.
I looked in to this about 10 to 15 years ago. So my ability to explain it is a little rusty. At the time I checked the figures and it works. The following web site has controversial information but fortunately this study and the one on the Sabbath stand alone. I don’t agree with everything they say and I rarely listen. But this is the best study on the date of the earth I have ever seen. Check it out for yourself.
One interesting thing, he places the time of Peleg at 3153-2914 B.C.
In the time of Peleg the earth was divided. I believe this is a reference to continental drift. They didn’t drift at the time but they do now. The reason why this becomes interesting is according to the Mayan Calendar this age began at 3114 B.C., that would be during Pelegs reign.
This link should get you there:Biblical Calendar of History
If it doesn’t then click:
 http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/frame/book_case.html
Click ‘literature‘, click ‘Biblical Calendar of History’

Are you suggesting that Christ will be on earth for 1,000 years with the disembodied souls of Christians?
Quote from Left Coast....
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"Behold, I tell you a mystery: we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptable, and we shall be changed. For this corruptable must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortallity." [1 Cor. 15.51-53].  Please read all of 1 Cor. 15.

This is refering to the eternal body we will "put on" when Christ comes to meet us "in the air" as spoken of in 2 Thess. 4.16,17.  We will not be 'disembodied souls', as you put it.
As for Rev. 20.4; "And I saw thrones, and they that sat on them, and judgement was committed to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the Word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years."

As shown in the first scripture I quoted, all those who died in Christ, along with all those who get raptured, get immortal bodies at that time. Then all go with Him into heaven where there is the wedding supper of the Lamb, as seen in Rev. 19.7-9. Then, as seen in Rev. 19.11-21, Jesus comes to earth to defeat the armies of the anti-christ, and cast the anti-christ and the false prophet into the lake of fire.

Now back to Rev. 20.4:
We can see by the fact that these "souls" referred to here "had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands," that these were those who did not go in the rapture, and so have yet to receive their glorified bodies. The "thrones, and they that sat on them," are His apostles. "Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." [Matt. 19.28]. These are the "souls" being judged in Rev. 20.4.

There is so much more, but I hope this helps to answer your question.
Love in Christ. Roy.

Roy
You said,
When the Lord returns this will certainly happen. But when He returns it will be the end of time.
We have to look at all the verses that speak of this including Matthew 24:

Matthew 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matthew 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Pay attention to verse 29. The sun will go dark, the moon will no longer give light, and the stars will fall from the sky. God put them up there so we can keep track of time.

Genesis 1:4  And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Genesis 1:5  And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Genesis 1:14  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Therefore when He removes them we are in eternity. So when the Lord returns it is Judgment Day. There is no way to have 1,000 years without timepieces.
Lets go back to Mat. 24 and look at verse 3.

Matthew 24:3  And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matthew 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

His coming and the end of the world are tied together.
Rev. 20.4 is BEFORE His return. They are disembodied because they are in heaven. When a believer is absent from the body they are present with the Lord.
We have a physical body and we have a spiritual body I’m sure you know that.
And when the Lord returns we get a new glorified physical body.
Before we are saved we are spiritually dead.

Ephesians 2:5  Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
 Ephesians 2:1 ¶ And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

When we become saved it is because God has resurrected our dead spiritual body. That is why it is called the first resurrection in that is spoken of.

Revelation 20:5  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The 1,000 years is not a literal 1,000 years the key to understanding this is:

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

There is also more to this, God Bless

Matthew 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matthew 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
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Therefore when He removes them we are in eternity. So when the Lord returns it is Judgment Day. There is no way to have 1,000 years without timepieces.
Quote from Left Coast.
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You seem to be saying that when the events described in Matt. 24.29 happen, that the sun and moon cease to exist. It does not say that; it says the sun will be "darkened", and that the "moon shall not give her light".
I experienced the sun being darkened when in 1980 Mount St Helens filled the sky with ash.
If the scripture said they ceased to exist at that point, you would have a point. But it does not say that. In fact, the scripture that refers to them ceasing to exist is Rev. 21.1, which is after the white throne judgement, which is after the 1000 year reign. And then it is because God has created a new heaven and a new earth, where we will live with Him for all eternity.

To me, the thousand year reign is as clear as can be. God, in His Word, says that Satan will be bound for 1000 years; [Rev. 20.2]. and Satan is bound, "that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished." [Re. 20.3]. And then there is the verse that says, "And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years." End of [Rev. 20.4]
These verses clearly state that Christ will reign for a thousand years, and that Satan is bound during those thousand years.
I am sorry brother, but I just don't see how you can say there is no thousand year reign, when God in His Word clearly says there is.
But you are entitled to see it that way if you wish, and I pray God's blessings upon you.
Roy.

Thank you for this discussion! It's intriguing, and needs some thought.  :)

Royo
Revelation is not in a chronological order. I wish I had time to explain this but I am heading out of town for a few days.
Satan was bound at the cross.
Remember when Jesus said you cannot plunder a rich mans house unless he is bound first.
The whole time the greatest preacher ever to have walked the earth, God made flesh, preached only a hand full of individuals were saved. He goes to the cross and thousands are saved.
The reason Peter could preach one sermon and save thousands is because Satan was bound.
The stars fall from the sky. They were put up as time pieces.

six 24hr days for creation .
Age of the earth only God knows exactly, I understand that there is no accurate dating systems, probley the Bible is the closet we can get to determining the age of the earth.From my knowledge of the bible it does not say specifically so then how can we know? 6000 - 10,000  yrs old ?
But we do know its not millions of years old thats for sure.

1000 yrs is a Lord's day in duration , and I think the reference is in relation to the length of the Day of the Lord ,which is the millenium period, the reign of Christ upon the earth.

The earth is13,000 years old. To check this out follow the lead on post #17.
No where in the bible does it say Christ will reign on earth for 1,000 years. That is an interpretation people have made. Then it is taught as fact. But it is only theory. Sort of like how evolution is taught.
It is OK to interpret scripture but it is important to keep an open mind and allow the scripture to correct the interpretation.