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  i don't know how to describe what i feel nowdays. i only come to this forum to see if anything has changed. last time i was here was about 4 months ago.
 here is a question that i struggle with? which one is better? republican regime- which is full of deceit and lies, or the total NON-GOD Democrat?  which is better to deal with a complete hypocrite or a complete atheist?
you be the judge after reading this: [l]http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1546580,00.html[/l]
YOu know actually both are bad...the solution lies in something a lot more demanding than we could ever imagine... i am sorry my friends... some of you here actually were banking after the 2004 elections that the savior party for our country was instituted at the right moment. I still say... i could care less who is in power...the solution for our country will never come from the Top .... there is nothing that will convince me of that... but some here need to re-dress their allegiance and views...they might have already, but if they have not, the artilce will at least raise eye brows...- Hopefully

Sounds like a disgruntled former aide that is only trying to make money on a book. It easy to write a book just for the purpose of making money, just pick a subject that is controversial and get it published.

While President Bush has not been the best President in regards to faith based initiatives he has done far more than many others have and considering the walls that he has had to overcome I would say that has been a lot.

I find it curious that some Christians come out of complete silence only when an election is coming up.

Hello Digme, welcome back  :D

While we cannot expect 1 man to solve all the world's problems, especially with all the evil, greed, lust for power and immorality in this world, we CAN and should vote for those who uphold Christian values. It is impossible for President Bush to solve ALL the problems of the world, as SO many Americans expected, BUT he does have moral Christian values.

The world will never have any of it's problems solved until the Lord Jesus comes back and wipes out all the evil that is now in the world. In the meantime those who do have some moral values and some dignity should vote for the persons that support our Christian foundation.

Hello digme,

We're all still Christians, and we're smart enough to see through the smoke screen and most of the political baloney. It appears that we only hear from you near election times.

I'll speak simply for myself only. The number of democratic political operatives hitting here at election time is amazing, and they have convinced me to vote for anyone BUT a democrat in all races - local, state, and national. From there, I will look at the specific candidate's character and morals. Guilt by association only works when there is an immoral, stated platform for the entire party like the democratic party platform. Otherwise, the merits of each individual candidate stands alone.

This article is pretty revealing.  This inside look is coming from the Deputy Director of the White House Office of Faith Based Initiatives, a Christian selected by the administration is coming out against them.  The way in which they misled us about money going towards these charities is important news coming from an insider.

However this news is also consistent with events over the past 6 years and should not be surprising.  The nation was misled about WMD, the connection between 9/11 and Iraq, the intent behind the Teri Schiavo political stunt, the cover-up of Congressman Foley's relations with pages, and countless others.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Remember you are the one that said it.

Florida Catholic obviously you already voted Democrat last election and by the looks of it you intend to do it again


TSK TSK TSK ...... Shame on you

I'm sorry if I gave a different impression . . . I did vote for John Kerry in the last election (I was not fooled by the also false Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and other ways the Republicans misled so many).  I did fail to vote for Al Gore and I've strongly regretted that since the administration began talking about this insane war in Iraq.

I meant that saying as a reminder to others who were fooled during the past 6 years to at least think about their vote before casting it blindly.

Yep, you were correct when you said "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me."

John Kerry is a traitor to this country and it was proved. If it hadn't been for Jimmy Carter he wouldn't be able to be in office right now.

I'm looking to vote for the man he defends unborn babies from being tortured while they are still in the womb, BABIES that are up to 5 months, let me tell you something I had a child prematurely when I was less than 6 months pregnant and that was not a fetus that was a human being, a baby, he cried and felt pain just like you and I do, he fought very hard for his life for 4 days. That is the natural thing for humans to desire to live.....these babies don't have a voice, especially hen their very own mothers want to kill them and the politicians are saying that is ok.
Marriage marriage is between one man and one woman forever. PERIOD ...
God did not mention an alternative lifestyle. How can a person profess to be Christian and still support these things??
God told us how to teach our children and what to teach them, it's all in His Book, why if we Americans that pay taxes have to let our children go to school where they can't even bow their heads and close their eyes....
As for ALL Political situations, I am not counting on man to fix the problems I already know that God will defeat evil and destory all those that go against His Word.

The attempted manipulation by political operatives is so sad that it's almost funny. It's like a side-show at the circus, and it's free.

BUT, it really isn't funny at all. We'll pray for those who murder their children, those who fall victim to alternative lifestyles, and those who otherwise suffer from the misery of their sins. We'll also pray for the people who promote this misery. There will be a time of accounting for all of them, and the CREATOR won't think it is funny either.

Ahem! They had no-right to killed person, even worst helpless person don't even know Lord Jesus, yet.

If you don't vote than you are giving up your rights, and you don't even have a say in anything. That includes the immoralities of same se marriage, murdering unnocent unborn babies, and even taking God out of our Country, but then again, that's your choice. Why even post in a political thread.


Don't you think Jesus is saddened by all the atrocities that are being commited by some politicians?? It is in your power to do something, doing nothing is like being in favor of them.

You are either for Him or against Him, there is no inbetween.

There are many people that believe that we, as Christians, should not participate in things of this world such as politics and the Military. They say that we should keep our eyes on a different kingdom and it is not an earthly kingdom.

While I agree that our most important things is to keep our eyes on Jesus and His Kingdom we must also realise that we are battling a war of good and evil. We are battling for the souls of many people. As with any war there are many fronts in which a war is fought. Many people are being led down the wrong path because of some of our government leaders. Laws being made to prevent Christians from putting out the good news, attempting to push us back into complete silence so that we cannot witness to others and lead them to Jesus Christ.

We have been given the priviledge to vote for our leaders by God. It is by His divine guidance that we can select these leaders. It is our responsibility as children of God to do our best to select those leaders that will support those principles that God has laid out for us in the Bible.

Brothers and Sisters,

It is my firm conviction that GOD gives us many opportunities in our lives to stand up for the things of the LORD. I've heard about the doctrines of some that basically say that Christians should simply shut up and sit down. Plainly, this is a false doctrine. First, we are not ashamed of the Gospel of the Grace of GOD, nor are we ashamed of the things of the LORD. Silence and sitting down many times amounts to "calling evil good". UM?, what would the Bible say about professing Christians who are ashamed of GOD, JESUS CHRIST, and the teachings of the Holy Bible? The Holy Bible uses the term "ashamed", but I would add the term "cowardly".

Brothers and Sisters, a Christian should become informed and VOTE. If they are physical incapable of getting to the polls, other voting methods are available. Contrary to what some churches tell their congregations, VOTING is NOT having the things of man as dominion over a Christian. Several portions of Scripture are grossly twisted in the doctrine that claims Christians can't or should not VOTE. Bluntly, this is false teaching. It is also false teaching to state that Christians can't hold public office. There are many FORCES OF EVIL that would love for Christians to stay home and not vote. Christians not voting amounts to letting the devil have his way without opposition.

There is and has been a battle between good and evil. Very BLUNTLY: if Christians are ashamed or scared to stand up for right and wrong and the things of the LORD, they disgrace the office that GOD has given us. Our Lord and Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, died on the cross for us, and the least we can do is stand against wrong,  stand for right, and never be ashamed of the things of the LORD.


Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 6:10-14 NASB  For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Amen

We should take up our ballot and cast it.  A vote for no one is better than no vote at all. 

What many of you who do not go to the polls to vote do not realize is that the presidential position is not the only one on the ballot.  There are tons of local positions as well as legislative laws that are being put on the ballot for your local government as well.  So just because you do not like either of the big 2 parties, so you opt to not vote means you could care less also what is happening in the local community and your state.

And you know what...you can always write in a candidate. 

As far as being misled by the administration.  One thing I think is completely hilarious is that people will hold the administration responsible for actions 4 years ago for evidence found 4 days ago, and then try and say the administration was misleading.  When we went to Iraq you have to look at the evidence we had at that time.  Anything discovered after the fact cannot apply to the discisions of the past.

Amen Brother Jerry,

There is a lot of gross hypocrisy on the part of many who complain the loudest about the President, and I love to hear and see the replays of their previous stance in agreement that shows them for what they are.

Here's something else to consider:  1) The whole world thought they KNEW that Saddam had WMD, and he certainly did at one time because he used them; 2) Maybe the President is in a political position where he can't tell the public everything because of what it would do to world politics and peace.

Example:  The Russians moved the WMD out of Iraq shortly before the invasion.

Example:  France and Germany have very dirty hands in what they did before the war that was a violation of U.N. Sanctions.

Example: France, Germany, Russia, and China all sold weapons to Iraq and had ample motives for many things to remain hidden. So why hasn't the President told the American people that the Russians moved the WMD to the Becca Valley before the invasion? Why hasn't tons of other information with hard documentation been released to the entire world?   HERE'S WHY: It would destabilize the entire world, end diplomacy of many kinds, and clearly label countries for what they were. Relations would probably never be healed and normalized ever again.

UM? How many of the loudest critics know this beyond any doubt? This isn't the ranting of a conspiracy nut. Anyone can dig a little bit and see for themselves, including satellite photos of the Russians moving the WMD. What can and can't be done in world politics many times involves measuring the probable consequences of airing everything to the entire world. That's why many things will remain Top Secret and locked away for many years. Airing the proof would certainly help President Bush and the Republican party, but it wouldn't be worth a world war with Russian and China.

The hypocrisy regarding the war against terror is mind-boggling. Democrats would have us believe that Iraq is NOT part of the war against terror. NEWS FLASH: Iraq is running over with terrorists, and they have decided to make a world stand there. IRAQ is the CENTER of the war against TERROR, and anyone trying to deny that is either a liar or a moron. We must remember that the terrorists came to us on 9-11 to our soil. They want to do so again very badly, but we have them pretty busy in other parts of the world. It is completely true - FIGHT THEM THERE OR FIGHT THEM HERE!

YES, there were mistakes made, but here's the real reason why there is so much division in this country:

1 - Hating BUSH because he is a CHRISTIAN and stands against abortion, same sex marriage, and other sacred objects of the LEFT is enough for them to do anything to make BUSH look bad, including the manipulated loss of the war in Iraq.

2 - The plan of the left is very simple, and they have a very complicated plan: they are against BUSH and against any legislator who sides with him on nearly anything. Other than this, they don't have a plan.

3 - The primarily "HEAVILY LEFT MAINSTREAM MEDIA" hates BUSH for the same reason that most of Hollywood hates Bush. BUSH is a Christian who has taken a stand on many sacred issues of the far left. SO, he and anyone with him must be beaten, discredited, and run out of Washington. How dare him and the Republicans take a stance against abortion and same sex marriage. How dare them take a moral stance on anything!

4 - It's absolutely amazing that many are willing to commit treason for a few days of political gain. It's fine to endanger the entire country to get BUSH and anyone with him out of Washington. SO, we have representatives leaking National Security Secrets, voting against the Patriot Act, and standing as obstructionists for many common sense measures to defend the country. Look at the details and the issues:  1) the average American would demand that NSA listen to attempted communications between terrorists wanting to kill people in America. Those who voted against this were simply voting with a sole motive - HATE BUSH - not protect the country.

5 - Reference scandals, this one is extremely simple: REGARDLESS OF AFFILIATION - KICK THEM OUT AND PROSECUTE THE TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW. PUNISH THE GUILTY - NOT THE INNOCENT. There is also a lot of hypocrisy here. The Abramhoff scandal was supposed to be a Republican scandal, but many Democrats took the pay-off money. SO, why are the Democrats taking pay-off money treated differently than the Republicans. KICK THEM ALL OUT AND PROSECUTE THEM. Being out of office and spending time in prison should have nothing to do with affiliation. AND - HERE'S A BIG ONE: why are sex scandals and other scandals handled one way for Democrats and a MUCH HARSHER way for Republicans. I could care less about who they are affiliated with - TREAT THEM ALL ALIKE - KICK THEM OUT - PUT THEM IN PRISON!

6 - LAST BUT NOT LEAST: Why would any major political party in America make it part of their platform that the mass murder of abortions will continue and same sex marriage is just fine. There's really much more, but this is more than enough. (1) Have they lost their mind and their morals? (2) Do they really think that voters will buy this GARBAGE?

Sadly, many did or they didn't realize the direction the Democratic party wanted to take this country in. BLUNTLY - the direction is without GOD and without MORALS.

Love In Christ,
Tom

1 Corinthians 3:16 NASB  Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

Amen to all of that BEP

Another Amen Brother Tom!

I agree with those whoe made statements about everyone voting - it's essential that our voices are heard to make sure that policy is set in a way that is consistent with Christ's teachings.

In this context, I am apalled by the adamant defenses of the Republican party.  Please recognize that conspiracy theories are not a defense, they are a delusion to make a defense without fact.  The claim that the Republican party is a victims of a world that's out to get them is absolutely outrageous.  The Republican party controls all three branches of government.  They have to be held accountable for their absolutely awful performance.  By every metric this government is being managed poorly.  Why have the Republicans so poorly advanced the issues you mentioned?  Don't you sense that you're being strung along by Republican promises that never come to fruition?

Not at all. It takes a long time to undo the damage that has been done to this country in the last 40+ years and to fight such groups as the ACLU in the courts at the exact same time.

There has been a lot accomplished so far considering all this and if it hadn't been for the Republicans being in office things would be much worse by now. If the democrats were in office the ACLU would be controlling this nation even more so than they already do, along with Muslims and abortionists. We certainly would have had another 911 or worse. The economy would also be much worse if the democrats take control of Cpngress.

You're still trying hard FC but to no avail. The facts and figures out weigh your feeble attempts.

EXACTLY


AMEN PR.

Agreed.  And as far as the stringing along for the ride type of thing and deceptions and such.  Well that comes from politics all together and Democrats are just as guilty as Republicans or Green Party, or any other for that matter.

I will admit that there are deceivers in our government.  There are folks in office that are there just for the power and the glory.  And it is a shame that they have left the people they are to represent behind.  And if they are in regions that I have a say in then I can say that I will write them and call them on their bluff, and I will also no longer vote for them. 


Please remember that same statement because a vast majority of the propaganda that the media is putting out there about current administration is just that, conspiracy theories.  Baseless attacks and accusations that have no confirmed facts behind them.  And do not be decieved that when the media gets some information from an "unnamed, unknown official" that it is some high ranked official or anything of that nature.  And if that "unnamed, unknown official" seems to have some high level information then you can bet that the official is a low ranked secretary or janitor or something like that trying to get a buck or two off of a story.  Those that are high enough to know the core sensitive secrets know better and know they would not remain "unknown or unnamed" for long.  And if this source was so high on the mighty to want "the truth" out then get out and say it.  put the cloak and dagger act in the closet.

And do not be so niave to think that the plans and programs that one President puts into place garners immediate gains.  With our political, economic, and social machine we call this country it can take 8-16 years before programs implemented to reach the final stages of the plan.  Do you think it was Clinton who balanced the budget and got extra money those years?  No because anything doen those years as far as the economy would not show up for several years to come.  What we say at the end of that was some of the return from the Reagan/Bush administration.  The current administrations "No Child Left Behind" plan is still in it infancy and people are knocking it left and right already.  It will take it years (8-16) before the fruits of that labor are apparent.  That is if the plan is left alone.  But I bet you a Democrat will win this election and one of the first things to go will be NCLB.

Most Christians are smart enough to see what's been going on. Obstruction from the Democrats is only one part of the dirty story. One-way reporting by the mainstream media who is nearly ALL LEFT is another part of the puzzle. From there it gets ugly with many measures to see anything fail that has to do with Bush. Here we would be talking about leaking of carefully selected portions of classified materials by those committing treason for political gain. The result was the weakening of this nation and our ability to defend our country. One doesn't need to be a genius to put everything together and see a desperate Democratic party willing to commit treason and any other crime to manipulate voters. It has and will backfire.

In the meantime, the Democratic platform hasn't changed. It's still for abortion, same sex marriage, and many other measures that will take this country further away from GOD and morals. The ACLU loves the Democrats, so this should tell Christians more than enough. There are just as many or more Democrats involved in scandals, but they aren't getting the publicity that the Republicans get. The Republicans involved in scandals are gone, but the Democrats involved in scandals are promoted.

I, for one don't believe that the Democrats are going to take anything, not the House and not the Senate. All the voters need to do is become informed, look at the Democratic platform, and listen to what they've already said they will do if they take power. The first job will be the elimination of tax cuts that will:

1 - Effect every American - regardless of what income target the Democrats say they are talking about.

2 - Slow down and reverse a booming economy that is setting records almost every day now.

The next job will be to initiate a ton of investigations and create a do-nothing House and Senate. Then the work would proceed with the Democratic platform to reverse any progress to end abortions, stop same sex marriage, and stop progress on any other moral issue. They would also cut and run from Iraq, completely ignorant of the horrible results. "Cut and Run" is an accurate and very appropriate term. Winning and finishing the job is the only outcome that WON'T result in terrorists being emboldened and coming to our own soil. BUT, we would be encouraged with the fact that Nancy Pelosi would be in charge, and she could always activate the Gay Pride Parade to turn back the invaders.   :o   :o   ::)   ::)

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“Thomas Sowell says the question for this election is not whether you or your candidate is Republican or Democrat but whether you’re ‘serious’ or ‘frivolous.’ A lot of Americans, and not just their sorry excuse for a professional press corps, are in the mood for frivolity. It’s like going to the theater. Do you really want to sit through that searing historical drama from the Royal Shakespeare Company? Or would you rather be at the sex comedy next door? In the 1990s, Americans opted for the sex comedy—or so they thought. But in reality the searing historical drama carried on; it was always there, way off in the background, behind the yuk-it-up narcissist trouser-dropper staggering around downstage. The mood of the times was to kick the serious stuff down the road so we could get back to President Lounge Act offering to feel our pain. With North Korea, the people delegated to kick the can a few years ahead—Madeleine Albright, Jimmy Carter are now back, writing self-congratulatory op-eds about their genius and foresight. Not at all. Albright’s much-touted ‘agreement’ was a deal whereby Washington agreed to prop up a flailing basket-case state in order to enable it to buy enough time to become a serious destabilizing threat to its neighbors and beyond. Many of our present woes—not least Iran—derive explicitly from the years when Carter embodied the American ‘superpower’ as a smiling eunuch... Life isn’t a night on Broadway where you can decide you’re not in the mood for ‘Henry V’ and everyone seems to be having a much better time at ‘La Cage Aux Foley’.” —Mark Steyn

Let's not forget the full support of islamic terrorists for Democrats also. Think about this one for a bit. Why would islamic terrorists support any American political party? It doesn't take a whole lot of intelligence to figure it out.

The majority of these people are the same ones that caused the war in Viet Nam to collapse against us and it is in the exact same manner that they are handling the war on terrorism. Some people just never learn from their own mistakes.

Pastor Roger,

I don't know if we learned anything from Viet Nam or not.

We broke our promises

We lost our honor.

Our country was humiliated.

Over 3 million innocent people died because we left.

Members of our Armed Forces were treated like dirt.

The list goes on and on and on, and the same would be true of Korea. The problem appears to be that many confuse law enforcement actions with military actions. As an example, terrorists are NOT a law enforcement problem, and they never will be. Law enforcement in America is NOT manned, equipped, or trained to deal with terrorists. Law enforcement is NOT adequately manned or equipped to take care of crime and every day situations. It would be very foolish for anyone to think that law enforcement in this country could handle an invasion of terrorists.

Here's a NEWS FLASH for everyone: Many terrorists are already here, and more are arriving by the day. The weakening of our defenses by leaking tactics and other secrets will play a major role. The many acts of treason have hurt this country in more ways than anyone can imagine. Here's the rest of the sad NEWS FLASH: there will be a war fought on our soil, and nobody knows the magnitude yet. Everyone will be forced to face the facts and think differently after it starts - AND IT WILL START!

The LEFT will try to place the blame everywhere except where it belongs - themselves. Obstruction and treason always have terrible costs, and those costs will be paid, regardless of what happens in the next election. It's already too late to reverse the damage. The American people may soon understand all of the issues, and they will learn in a harsh manner with terrorists being the instructors.

Unfortunately all that is so very true.

Clearly you get information from a lot of shady sources.  As far as leaking secrets of national interest are you referring to the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame?  Her identity was released by the Republicans - reporter Robert Novak based on "unnamed source, high level official" who we have recently found out was Richard Armitage.  Scooter Libby and Karl Rove were also sources.  Endangering a CIA agents life sounds like a nasty way for the administration to punish someone for speaking out against the war.  President Bush also promised to fire those who were involved in this - and he has not kept that promise either.

A lot of the defenses are based on, "trust me" wait several years after I'm out of office and I can't be held accountable.  The Republican party has done everything to prove that they do not deserve our trust.  You have to have some facts to back up that you have a good strategy.  The idea that the Clinton Administration having a balanced budget being a result of earlier Republican efforts is also ludicrous.  A budget is set every year, the fact that they were able to establish a surplus is a testament to good government.  The previous administrations could take credit to the extent that they didn't leave such a mess that it was irrecoverable from in a few years as it seems certain this administration will leave.  They started with a Clinton surplus!  Now they have the biggest deficits ever!

The war in Iraq is obviously a disaster, I can't believe you would try to defend it.  Let's try to look at it from the President's perspective.  If you're the Presdident and you're trying to live a life like Christ, do you think the best strategy is to try to kill every terrorist by dropping lots of bombs and invading foreign nations.  A recent Johns Hopkins study put deaths in Iraq caused by the war in the hundreds of thousands.  What an insane strategy - it only makes sense to think you can go out and kill all the terrorists if you think there is some limited number of them out there and if you find them all you've succeeded.  More and more terrorists are being rallied everyday - a recent intelligence report confirms what those opposed to the war have been saying all along - killing tons of people in a foreign country makes them more hostile towards you and creates more terrorists.

FC you sure do try to tap dance but it is hard to do when you are all "left" footed.


No we don't get our information from Michael Moore or CNN.

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Like most things you post your information is one sided. At least we have been able to admit that there has been some individuals in the Republican party that are not honest like those that claim to be republican but vote for abortion and same sex marriage.

YEAH FLORIDA_CATHOLIC!

You got almost all of the twisted democratic talking points in on one message.

People with any common sense know better. You know exactly what I was talking about, and so does everyone else.

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And he's way out there out of sight.

AND, he might have found true love in San Francisco.

Oh no, not Schultzie!

Sure looks like it brother....................... :'(

That usually the first line of defense an uninformed person uses............."well if you only knew better or just agreed with me"

Here is the issue, Liberals will always tell the uninformed what to thing and plant the seed of doubt and conspiracy in the minds of those without enough ambition to go out and get informed. I am not saying one party or the other makes more sense........but lets be realistic.....if one party violates the morals of God then as a Christian you can not vote that way.

If I had no other info but the abortion topic that would be enough for me to vote..............

I like to think that a discerning Christian can see through the media rhetoric but alas there are alot of liberal Christians that vote the fence.......or worse........don't vote at all........and it it destroying Gods church.

Can anyone ever truly say that they agree with every thing any party has ever done? No. So vote your conscience......but first you had better get informed and PRAY!!!

If you do notput your preconceptions aside and seek Gods will for your life........and vote.........you have failed before you start.


My $.02

AMEN Brother Gary!

That was at least $100 worth. You hit the nail on the head perfectly.


Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 56:3-4 NASB  When I am afraid, I will put my trust in You.  In God, whose word I praise, In God I have put my trust; I shall not be afraid. What can mere man do to me?

Right on Rookie

But FC.  No I was not just referring to Valerie Plame.  Anytime I hear a reporter or journalist who gets some supposed super secret or extra juicy morsel of information and it comes from some unnamed source or whatever then I question the veracity of the claim.


Give me a break.  It is not like the Democratic party has done any better.

As far as a president getting a balance budget.  It happens every year.  What matters is following the budget.  And Billy's surplus was also just on paper.  And a government with a surplus is a bad thing.  Fiscal policy set by one President is rarely ever witnessed in full by that President.  It is a fact of life.  They are all thinking long term scenarios because a national economy cannot change dramatically rapidly without collapsing upon itself first.  That is why when a plan is approved and setup it will generally not start for one to two years out from that ratification date.  Then they are most usually set in place that there are landmark achievements every 2-3 years and stretching over a period of 6-10 or more years. 

This is a problem with government and economic systems of today.  They move so much slower than the society around them.  But if they were to move more radically forward then they would collapse around themselves.  It has always been this way and always will.

As far as the war in Iraq.  No it is not a disaster.  The country is seeing some dramatic improvements in quality of life.  Were there mistakes made?  Yes there were and there will be more.  Is the war costing lives?  Yes it is that is an unfortunate affect from war.  Was there deception used to start the war?  NO.  There is no evidence of it and no motive behind it either.  Do I believe that our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq are for a global good?  Yes I do.  And I support our troops as well as any President that is willing to see the job done and done correctly.  Turning tail and quitting are not what America is all about.  We are in this so let us see it through.

Amen Rook!!

Wow!!!

A lot of heat?   ;)  I don't think I can paste anyones quote.  So many good ones.  But I can say that voting has always been for me, a moral issue.  I'm in a local union, but no matter what stuff they try to pass off as "it will be good for jobs, good for the economy, bla, bla, bla, for them it's never about morality.  Usually it's about humanity and humanism.  I'm sorry but the Democratic party just doesn't seem to have God in mind.  At least not the God of all creation.  Not that the Republican party "always" has God in mind.  I agree with everyone except FC.  I do believe you're just trying to instigate things.   :o  Stir it up a little.  ;D  "If" you are a true believer, (please know that I have no clue) then I know you'll seek His heart in how to vote.  "If" you're not, then it doesn't really matter.  What would really matter is how "we" as believers, debated with you.   :-\

Whatever it is you're trying to do, convey, express, I hope you found an answer that is suitable.  There has been a lot of answers given.   ;D

sincerely,
Bill

 

 

In reply to the first post on this topic i reckon i'd have to say to pick the best man for the job. In this world of politics and people we are choosing to be our leaders, i think we should pick the guy that's best for the job. I.E. someone that has a balance. Every will know what i'm talking about when I say this example and I am in NO means making this sound like I'm bashing either party because i know how people are...i live in TN where the word republican is shunned lol. Anyways goes like this:

We have a democrat in office, we have a great economy because democrats are all for the economy and pretty sucky on foreign policy. History has proved that over and over again. We get a democrat in office in order to better the economy. Yea we did have a great economy while Reagan was in office, and while Clinton was in office, because they were all for the economy. Not such a bad thing. However, when we vote a republican in office, our foreign policy changes. We're more pro-active in the military and foreign policy is enriched i reckon the word is. However, with ALL things there has to be a balance in order for us to get anywhere. How do you think America got started? Our founding fathers knew we had to have a balance between the economy and fighting. Like a board on a barrel. You got one of both ends, but if you stand in the middle and balance it...then things even out. However, we as americans have become so materialistic that we love a great economy, but the moment we're threatened it changes. I'm convinced that we're never going to have a president that everyone likes and that will do what the majority of America wants 100% of the time in office. Some don't understand this. maybe i'm just shooting off on a tangent, maybe I'm making sense, I don't know, but I do know this, Pride and self gain play a big part in american politics...how sad. Just a few thoughts...

Dominus Vobiscum,
Joshua