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  Whenever I work in a Republican campaign office, I find that most of the people doing the work are evangelical Christians.  That's because they believe what the Republicans say about believing in Christian values.  But, as soon as the election is over, they forget about Christian values until the next election. 
   Republicans, because of the work and money of Christians, have controlled the White House since 2000, the House of Representatives since 1995, the senate since 2003, and Republican presidents have appointed 7 of 9 Supreme Court Judges.  But Christian values legislation is very far down on their list of priorities, so very little has been done.
    Christians could be better served if they put the money and work that they are putting into the Republican party into starting their own party, that is truely based on Christian values.   Imagine what could be done!  We already have all the people and the money. All we need is the leadership.   And, there are a lot more Christians in this country than Republicans. 

Hello Dlee, welcome to CU Forums.  :D


I agree with you. I think this is something Christians should pray about. There are many fine Christians in Capitol Hill right now and regardless of what so many people say even our Prseident is a Christian. Yes there is a great number of Christians out there, that is obvious by the results of our last election. What we need is to pray about this. Even though we know what is about to happen, there is still a great need for moral Christian values in our Country.
We know that we will have a Godly government when our Lord Jesus returns to set up His Kingdom. That is a blessed hope.

Hi DLee.

Welcome to Christians Unite. I just came from the website Democratic Underground and saw the ad for Downstate Democrats for Change. I see that you have a lot of experience in the political arena, especially for Danny L. Stover, Democratic Candidate for U.S. Congress, IL District 19.

What you have said about the Rebublicans is also true of many of the other party platforms right now  ..... that none of them put forth the effort to stay with whatever they are saying that gets them into office in the first place.

I agree that we do need our own Christian Party. Since you have had so much experience in this area why don't you get started on it and head something up in that angle?

Look a little further to the south and use the "Reply" button instead of the "report to Moderator" button.  ;) ;)

  That's exactly my point.  Why should we have to choose a between a party that says it doesn't support Christian values and one that says it does but never actually does anything about it.  Danny is a good Christian man who was my professor in college.  I support him no matter what party endorses him, but why can't he choose to run as a Christian instead of as a Republican or Democrat.  Does anyone actually believe that either of those parties represents Christians?

That sounds like a great idea  :)

Although I would still vote ONLY for the man of God. I would let the Holy Spirit guide me on who to vote for, afterall actions speak louder than words. And the Holy Spirit's leading the the action and words are the only ones I would follow.

 Mt 7:15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves

 Ac 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
(KJV)

Probably for the same reason that Danny Stover decided to go with the Democrats.

I've been thinking about your idea about my starting a party.  I think you're way overestimating my ability and  my commitment.  Do you know of any group that's thinking the same way that I could join? 

Jesus said it best


 Mt 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; {things...: or, scandals}

Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

I don't know of any present active party that would fit that category completely. There are many different parties available that might come close but I wouldn't say that they fit completely.

In either case such a party would have to be an independant and the only problem with that is that most people want to go with either the Democratic or the Republican party. They feel that to do otherwise is to throw their vote away. Personally I would rather go with an independant if they were truly Christians and promoting true Christian values.

Perhaps you are the one that is underestimating your ability. With the Lord behind us we can do anything that is according to His will.

Rom 8:31  What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

The thing to do would be to have those that are fitting and able to praticipate to do the things that you may not be up to doing yourself.

My question about Danny Stover is where does he stand on such things as abortion, homosexuality (same sex marriage), freedom of speech for Christians, prayer in schools, Bible study in schools ...........

We know where most Democrats stand on these and it sure isn't as a Christian should. If he is Christian and willing to stand on Christian principles then he should be willing to also go independant??

Hello DLee,

WELCOME!

It's really a no brainer when the stated platform of a party is pro-abortion, pro same sex marriage, anti-God, and anti just about everything a Christian stands for. So, it would seem that a Christian politician would have the good sense to disassociate himself or herself from such an organization. Until then, they can count on losing the support of most Christians. Simple Politics 101.

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You do have a major point brother. I would not asociate myself with the Democratic party for any reason as to do so would be to associate myself with all that is against our Lord and Saviour.

 You do have a major point brother. I would not asociate myself with the Democratic party for any reason as to do so would be to associate myself with all that is against our Lord and Saviour.


  In this District ( Illinois 19th)  Stover is a Democrat  running against a Republican ( John Shimkus) who was the person who the Foley incident was reported to and who  covered it up.  Would you support a good man who was a Democratic candidate or a Republican who covered up for a man who was sending sexual messages to sixteen year old boys?

That would depend on his voting record. If he voted against such things as same sex marriage, abortion, the ACLU and other such organizations, then I just might. Many politicians claim to be Christian but the fruits of their works show through. If that person has voted for those things that are against the teachings of God then it does not matter what he claims to be. Being a member of a church organization would not necessarily be a decision factor either as there are many that go through the moves in that manner just for show.

Personally I do not see someone that would vote against such would align himself with a party that sets their platform for those things. That person would be alienated by their party and would not be able to function in the political arena.

Since religious beliefs were brought out as a major factor in the last elections there are many coming forward with professing God just for the political benefits.




Hmmm  ......   and yet you have??

    I didn't really think much about political parties one way or the other until recently,  I just worked for individual candidates.  Since I have been paying attention, the Republicans have not impressed me as following a path that God would have approved of.  In fact, they disgust me.  I think I would prefer an honest athiest to a person who walks around carrying a cross in public and then who isn't a Godly person when he figures no one is watching.
I can't say I'm all that impressed with the Democrats either.  In fact, I think they are as bad as the Republicans, but not any worse. 
   That's why a Christian party would be a blessing.  A politician wouldn't have to make a choice between doing what his God would want and doing what would benefit his party, as Shinkus did- and made the wrong choice- if his party was more concerned with following God than with political advantage. 

An honest atheist????????????????????????????? HOW can you prefer anyone who doesn't believe in GOD??


Banning prayer in schools, condoning same sex marriage, allowing gay and lesbian couples to adopt and raise children, condemning peole for using the name of Jesus....the list goes on and on..that is what demorcrats stand for you say that isn't worse??????????????????????


you just said you prefer an atheist
and in the next breath you say you want a Christian party??


 Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Amen Sister Maria!

Actually the Democratic party as a whole is much worse in this aspect. They profess God yet consistantly vote for anti-Christian agendas. Yes there are those in the Republican party that profess God but there are still many that do vote for Christian agendas and the aspects that our nation was founded on (not as much as I would like but still they do so).

Another point to think on. If there were a Christian political party would it really be any better? Would there be those that would jump on the Christian bandwagon in the manner that the Democrats have tried to do since the last Presidential election?

Amen PR, my feelings exactly.

There is a few things to remember here,
1. God is neither Republican or Democrat, He is God.
2. His Kingdom is not of this world God neither set up Republicans of Democrats.
3. God wants His people to represent Him.
4. If every Christian that is old enough to vote, wnt out and voted on election day, and prayed about, and informed themselves as to who is the candidate God would have in office, this Country would be a whole lot better off.

In the end GOD's will, will be done. He knows the end from the begining. He has a purpose and everyone will be judged by Him.

  No, I don't prefer an Athiest. But at least he's telling the truth.   I have 0 as in zero respect for a person who says he is a Christian to get Christian support and then forgets the people who put him in office before the ink is dry on the ballots.
  And, yes, it is possible that a person would tell the leaders of a Christian party whatever they wanted to hear in order to get their support, but a whole party would be able to call him to task when his actions didn't live up to what he had said. We don't have any recourse now, when an elected official chooses to follow his party  instead of his God- as Shimkus did- and as many others have done, we can't do anything. 

Yes we can, we can become better informed about the candidates, register, vote,
and most important PRAY and let God lead us to vote for the man He wants in office, just because there are a lot of dishonest and lying politicians doesn't mean that there aren't any Godly ones.

This is where the prior record is important to be researched. As for recourse??  ..... they can be voted out of office just as Rep. Gerry E. Studds, D. Mass should have been when in 1983 he actually had sex with an underage male page. Instead the Democratic party fully supported him and nominated him for more positions and he is still in office.


On the contrary he is telling lies.  ;) ;D   "There is no God.", "The U.S. was not founded on Christian principles.", "Separation of church and state.", just to name a few.

A Christian party sounds really good in principle but unfortunately with so many churches going the way of the world I do not see it being any different.

 Ps 14:1  The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.



Amen PR, there are many such disgraces that have been going on just think of the Ted Kennedy scandal....look at Clinton's behavior, he shamed our country internationaly....who knows how much more dirt has been swept under the rug.

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On the contrary he is telling lies.  ;) ;D   "There is no God.", "The U.S. was not founded on Christian principles.", "Separation of church and state.", just to name a few.

A Christian party sounds really good in principle but unfortunately with so many churches going the way of the world I do not see it being any different.

He may be telling himself lies, but he isn't lying to me just to get my support.  And, if we gave people an option maybe so many people wouldn't be going "the way of the world".  As it is now, we have to make a choice every time we go to the polls between a party that admits to being nonChristian and one that "talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk". 
The Republicans have been in charge of the country for years.  Have you noticed any great changes that they have made?  Little stuff, a few months before the election coming up- that I've seen, but big stuff, that they could have done---- They didn't even try.


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Dlee,

You sound like a political operative with an agenda. Are you being paid to make posts on Christian forums?

Christians are smart enough to see through the smoke screens. We also know that a lot of obstruction was involved in what could have been done and what was tried. You can guess who was responsible for the obstruction, or you can look at the records for the votes and KNOW the record. Regardless of the obstruction, some major bills were passed in numerous areas, one being abortion. For the first time in many years, the ACLU is losing cases, and there are bills in the system now to shut their money from the public down.

Much more could have been done without the obstruction. As an individual, I won't have anything to do with putting the obstructionists in power. AND, I'm certainly against the Godless direction that they want to take the country in. One look at their stated platform is all I need. The recent selective outrage and hypocrisy speaks volumes, and all of the story isn't even out yet. Christians are smart enough to see through all of the baloney.

We have no party that admits to be non-Christian. And yes the Democrats do "talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk".


The Democrats were in charge for many years more than the Republicans and did nothing but destroy all this nation stood for and took many Christian liberties away from them. It takes a long time to undo all the damage that they did. Especially when having to fight people like the ACLU/Cair and the Democrats.

You sure are arguing awfully hard for the Democrats.

  Oh, I think I've managed to offend pretty much everybody. Republicans and Democrats- at least that's how I feel.  If you feel the Republicans have been insulted more than the Democrats, you probably just are more offended by what I've said about them than when I said the same thing about the Democrats.
   I DON"T LIKE EITHER PARTY. I AM mad that I feel used by the Republicans.  Neither party has done anything, but at least the Democrats never suckered me into working for them by saying that they would.
   My point is that I think we should have a better choice than either of these parties.

The advertisement I saw on the illinoisdemnet and the Democratic Underground says differently.

I must disagree though with the "Neither party has done anything" statement. The republican party has done quite a lot about supporting Christians. The ACLU has been deterred by the Rebuplican caucus, same sex marriage is currently being fought against and has been won in many states, laws reducing abortion have been inacted, a Navy Chaplains ability to pray in the name of Jesus has been supported by new laws, ..... the list goes on and anyone that has really been paying attention would know this.

The worn out technique of putting down Republicans and calling for people to vote for any party except Republicans is a tactic used by Democratic politicians to steal the votes from Republicans so that the Democrats have a better chance to win enough votes to get into office. Anyone politically savvy knows this and can see right through it.

A Christian should be mad at those that are working so hard to take away our freedoms and to prevent us from being recognized in public at all including the removal of any and every thing Christian all the while they are supporting islam in all aspects of our nation.

DLee,

I'm offended that the democrats think that Christians can be easily manipulated, especially by paid political operatives. This alone would be enough for me to vote for anyone but a democrat. Some must think that Christians are dumb as rocks.

Taken from the platform of Danny L. Stover.


Stover supports abortion rights. I support the U.S. Supreme Court rulings in Roe V. Wade and the Casey decision.

He opposes the use of vouchers or other federal tax dollars for private schools and supports the development of national standards for public education.

Specific questions asked of him and his answers:

Include sexual orientation in federal anti-discrimination laws, especially homosexual indoctrination. Yes

Do you support a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as a union between a man and woman?  NO

 
All the reasons for a true Christian to NOT support him



As for U.S. Rep. John Shimkus it has not been proven that he is guilty but then most Democrats have him guilty and condemned before the investigation even starts just because he is a Republican.




From the information I posted above here that is a fact.

Hello DLee,

I want to thank you for the entertainment in this thread. We knew that you were some kind of big-time political operative for the democratic party when you started. I don't know how many knew but several of us have probably even looked at your calendar. We decided to let you play your game and have some fun.

I have looked at your calendar, and I want to play dumb and ask you about a couple of events listed:

1 - "Drinking Liberally" is listed several times, so what is that?

2 - "Rainbow Push" - UM? - What could this be?

I would also be very curious about how high your office is in the democratic party. I wasn't curious enough to spend 5 more minutes looking. I gave you much more than a hint that we already knew who you were, but you didn't pay any attention to my nice tip. Regardless, thanks for a few laughs.

Amen Brother Tom

Dlee this is not a political platform where you try to get people to vote for your party or your candidate, you don't even know our backgrounds, we are not a bunch of uneducated folks. We know when someone comes here with an agenda to play games with us. We gave you a chance, you were told right from the begining that you were found working for Dmocrat parties after saying you work for the Republican party. I could go on to say more but I really don't want to................

By the way does the D in Dlee stand for Democrat??

It just occurred to me.  If I was some big time operative for the Democratic party, don't you think that someone would have had enough sense to make me up a fake screen name that couldn't be connected to anything Democratic?  Actually, if I was trying to hide working for Danny, even I would have been smart enough to do that.
You are trying to discredit what I am saying by calling me a Democrat. Is it impossible in your mind that a Democrat could have a valid idea?  I'm not any more a Democrat than I am a Republican, but that's a pretty scary attitude.

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Hi DLee.

Welcome to Christians Unite. I just came from the website Democratic Underground and saw the ad for Downstate Democrats for Change. I see that you have a lot of experience in the political arena, especially for Danny L. Stover, Democratic Candidate for U.S. Congress, IL District 19.


MAYBE YOU DID  ;) ;)

Again I re-post my own post on the Danny Stover platform. A true Christian would not support such garbage. By supporting him this is what you are supporting. All that is against Christians and God.



 

Another thing that D Stover wants to do is to cut the Military spending at a time that the Military really needs it.


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WOW! - You just don't take a clue. Several of us have already seen your same screen name and your identical email address plastered all over all kinds of democrat web sites and democrat events, SO I guess that nobody had the common sense for you to change anything at all. I do have several screen captures with your screen name, your real name, a telephone number, and your email address as the contact person for numerous democrat events, campaigns, fund raisers, etc. UM?? - I wonder how many screen captures would be possible that has your identical, matching information. SO, who is the real person using ALL of the identifiers, YOU on Christians Unite or YOU on all of those democrat related web sites with the identical information?

UM??? - this is the worst and most comical case of identity theft that I've ever seen, but both of you at least share the same politics. I guess that I could call you and ask if it is you.   ;D   ;D  If it comes down to it, anyone could quickly get the same informaition I got. Surely you know that - don't you?

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I guess the picture wasn't big enough to fit in the pro-abortionists, same sex marriage supporters, ban all holidays having to do with Christianity, etc, ect ect, ect........
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I thought of making it that way but it makes the point anyway as it is.

Yes it makes the point, but then again some people don't always get it  ;D ;D

Yes that is apparent.   ;D ;D ;D

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Brothers and Sisters,

Christians do have their own party, and it's been in existence much longer than any of the parties mentioned in this thread. There are hosts of members from all over the world, and the platform has been the same for over 2,000 years.



1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

I was operating under the impression that a website called ChristiansUnite would be for all Christians to discuss their ideas.  I guess this one is only for the most conservative, and no one who doesn't agree with all of the most conservative  ideas is welcome.  Probably, you should change the name of the website so you don't have to be bothered with anyone who might inject a new idea into your established mindset.

Actually Dlee, you came in here pretending to be working for the Republican party, desiring a Christian party and the truth was that you are really working for the Democratic party which is against all Christian values and then you turn everything around and inspite of the fact that we have let you know the things you do you still think you can pull the wool over our eyes. Jesus told us to be wise not gullible and foolish.

 Mt 10:16 ¶ Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
If Brother Tom's post offended you then obviously you are offended by the kingdom of God.

Perhaps someone with a minimum amount of common sense knows that the vast majority of Christians are:

1 - Against abortion.
2 - Against same sex marriage.
3 - Against any group trying to shove GOD out of public view.
4 - Against the ACLU and all groups like them who wish to remove all hints of GOD from our society and are in fact attempting to remove religious freedom.

These are well-known and long-standing facts, so any individual or group attempting these things should count on another fact:  Opposition by Christians!

SO, the name of Christians Unite is quite appropriate and makes perfect sense. Political operatives representing the exact opposite of our beliefs should realize they are wasting their time in trying to change our core beliefs. Lies and attempted manipulation isn't appreciated either for some reason. This is a Christian family forum - not a gay bar. If a person lacks the common sense to figure this out for themselves, the forum rules spell this out in plain and simple details that anyone should be able to understand. Further, one must agree to obey the forum rules to get an account. If they don't like the forum rules, attempting to get an account here is completely voluntary, and nobody has ever been forced to become a member here. It's also true that nobody has ever been forced to remain here.

SO, you are welcome to stay on the condition that you obey the forum rules, and you are welcome to leave whenever you wish. If anyone tries to hold you hostage or otherwise make you stay here against your will, please let one of the moderators know and we'll help you escape.   ::)   ::)

Amen Brother Tom, Christians don't hold hostages, and we definitely don't flip-flop either.  ;)

Amen Brother Tom and Sister Maria.

The name of the Forum is fitting and proper it's Christians Unite, not Christians and anyone who dosen't value Christian values unite..........there are enough forums on the web for people who don't value Christian values and morals on the web. We don't need any more.

CU is a haven for Christians who value God and His Kingdom, His Son and the Christian way of life.

It is not up to anyone of us to change the name of this forum. Perhaps if you started your own forum you can name it what you like.

If there were room I would have added all those as well as the ISM, and several anarchists.

One thing for sure you won't see them posted in a Democrat forum

Only for and not against.

Come on people



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The train has arrived.

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The band is ready!

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The whole family is here.

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Some are really flippin out.

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This whole thing is a little fruity isn't it.

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Ok then  ......  it's time for some coffee again.


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Psa 118:24  This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.





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AMEN!!!!

This is just a small party ..... I'm waiting anxiously for the BIG one in Heaven

Amen sister Keep looking up to that great party in the sky. The best party to be a member of.


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 A Real CHRISTIAN PARTY   :D :D :D

Corruption claimed in Harry Reid deal 
Senate Minority Leader hung up phone when queried about $1 million windfall

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid hung up the phone when questioned by the Associated Press about a $1.1 million windfall on land he had not owned for three years, the wire service is reporting.

Reid collected on the Las Vegas land sale in a deal engineered by a longtime friend and former casino lawyer, Jay Brown, whose name has surfaced in organized crime investigations, the AP said.

According to records and interviews obtained by the AP, the senator did not disclose to Congress an earlier sale in which he transferred his land to a company created by a friend and took a financial stake in the company.

Defending the senator, his aides argued the deal was not disclosed because it was considered a "technical transfer."

No money changed hands, they insisted, and Reid's ownership stake in Brown's company was equal to the value of his land. The senator, they contended, also continued to pay taxes on the land.

The aides also explained there were no documents to prove Reid's stake in the company, because it was an informal agreement between friends.

The AP said Reid bought the undeveloped residential property on the outskirts of Las Vegas for about $400,000 and sold it in 2001 for the same price to Brown's limited liability corporation.

Reid did not disclose the sale on his annual public ethics report or tell Congress he had any stake in Brown's company, the AP notes, but continued to report to Congress that he personally owned the land.

Brown then convinced local officials to rezone the property for a shopping center before his company sold the land in 2004 to other developers.

Reid nearly tripled his investment, taking $1.1 million of the proceeds. He then reported it to Congress as a personal land sale.

The AP said Reid hung up the phone when questioned about the deal during an interview last week.

Reid spokesman Jim Manley told the wire service the 1998 purchase "was a normal business transaction at market prices."

"There were several legal steps associated with the investment during those years that did not alter Senator Reid's actual ownership interest in the land," he said.

But Senate ethics rules require lawmakers to disclose on their annual ethics report all transactions involving investment properties, regardless of profit or loss, the wire service points out, and to report any ownership stake in companies.

A former Federal Election Commission official affirmed Reid's failure to report the sale and his ties to Brown's company violated Senate rules.

"This is very, very clear," said Kent Cooper, who oversaw government disclosure reports for federal candidates for two decades. "Whether you make a profit or a loss you've got to put that transaction down so the public, voters, can see exactly what kind of money is moving to or from a member of Congress.

"It is especially disconcerting when you have a member of the leadership, of either party, not putting in the effort to make sure this is a complete and accurate report," said Cooper. "That says something to other members. It says something to the Ethics Committee."

And this is the more honest party.     ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

honestly corrupt  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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How Democrats and Republicans React to Sex Crimes


(AgapePress) - The Washington Post has reported that five years ago Congressman Jim Kolbe (AZ) knew of former Congressman Mark Foley's e-mails. According to the Post, Kolbe, a homosexual, confronted Foley in 2000 concerning his e-mails to 16-year-old pages. But the Post doesn't say that Kolbe ever brought the situation to the attention of the Republican leadership. Evidently this is a case of one homosexual congressman covering up for another homosexual congressman.

It is interesting to see how the two parties differ in their approach of dealing with sex offenses. The Wall Street Journal recently ran a story concerning sexual misbehavior by six congressmen over the past three decades: three Democrats and three Republicans.

The three Republicans were: Daniel Crane (Il) who had sex with a17-year-old female page; Donald Lukens (OH) who had sex with 16-year-old girl; and Jon Hinson (MS) who was convicted of sodomy with a federal male employee.

All three Republicans were thrown out by the Republican party or by Republican voters.

The three Democrats were: Gerry Studds (MA) who had sex with a 17-year-old male page and made sexual advances against two others; Melvyn Reynolds (Il) who had sex with a 16-year-old female campaign worker; and Barney Frank (MA) who paid a male prostitute for sex. In addition, Frank's apartment was used as headquarters for a male prostitution ring.

How were the Democrats treated? Melvyn Reynolds went to jail, but was pardoned by President Clinton. Gerry Studds and Barney Frank, both homosexuals, were "reprimanded" by Congress, but both were re-nominated by the Democratic Party and re-elected again and again for 14 years by Democratic voters and given positions of high influence by the Democratic leadership.

Why, then, do the Democrats now treat homosexuality as a dirty subject? Because this is an election year. What we have is a well-planned political episode designed to bring down the Republicans. The sexual activity of homosexual congressmen is of little concern to the Democrats, who have been pushing the homosexual agenda for years. Seizing control of the House and Senate, however, is of great interest.

Former Representative Foley's activities were known by Democrats for years. But they kept silent until the opportune time came. Now they are playing it for all it is worth.

About the only people upset with Foley's actions are the Values Voters. The Democrats knew that this issue would strike at the heart of the Values Voters movement. And therein lies the purpose.

Cause the Values Voters to become so disgusted and discouraged that they will not bother to vote; give them reason to stay at home. That is the engine driving this whole episode.

And if Values Voters do that, the pro-homosexual Democrats will have won -- and the House and the Senate will both be in their hands, waiting for Hillary to take command of the ship in 2008.

I'm glad to see that there are some other good Christians out there with good Godly discernment.

If Hilarious Clinton is elected in 2008 and Bill becomes the first lady, I think I would look for a more Christian country to move to.

By the way, I think all of the current games are going to completely backfire. I don't know any Christians who are remotely thinking about not voting. All of my friends will most definitely vote, and we're smart enough to see through all of the smoke screens.

I think there will be much more revealed before the 2006 elections, and the anything BUT innocent speakers for the democratic party will be exposed. There is some definite need to clean house, but only the guilty. One side does that pretty well, and the other side promotes and keeps the dirt.

There's a lot of things that I could mention, but I think for now that I'll only mention one or two.

Do we really want a speaker of the house who is also the leader of the annual gay pride parade in San Francisco?

Do we really want a political party in power with a stated platform of pro-abortion and for same-sex marriage - just to mention a small part of a GODLESS platform?

It isn't just the stated platform that anyone can read for themselves, rather a record and history of GODLESS actions and votes with many more on the way if they take power. The records, actions, and votes indicate that the far, extreme left runs this party, and that's why the stated platform is extreme, far left.

CHRISTIANS - get the facts, pray about everything, AND GO VOTE!

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 5:17-18 NASB  For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.  So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

 ;D ;D ;D You call her Hilarious too??  ;D ;D ;D


Amen. Christians are the ones who have the upper hand now if ALL Christians went out there and registered and voted, this nonsense would would have to stop


ANY Democrat who has any Christian values or morals at all should get out of that party NOW!!!

Personally as a Christian I've had ENOUGH of the hypocrisy the filth and the slander of the Democrat party, collectively they do all the things that were done in Sodom and Gomorrah and worse.!!!!!!!!

CHRISTIANS WE NEED TO GET OUT THERE AND VOTE. IF WE DON'T VOTE FOR THE RIGHT PERSON WE WILL END UP WITH EVIL RUNNING OUR COUNTRY !!!

 ;D  YES Sister Maria, I do call her Hilarious Clinton. I've watched her try to make the far left happy and still try to appeal to some of the moderates and conservatives. In fact, she switches back and forth for the occasion. I would say that she isn't very good at switching back and forth, and it makes it pretty difficult to determine what she really believes. I suspect that the Hollywood far left will be the backbone of her campaign in terms of money, so she will have to make them happy first. It is pretty Hilarious to watch.   ;D

Hilarious Clinton should be an expert with the flip floping by now. I'm sure she can get a lot of advice from John Kerry if she needs any  ;D ;D

Hilarious' flip-flops she even has them worn out on the toes a little  ;D

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There are already a total of 51 registered political parties. Not all of these have fielded candidates of their own and some participate only on a local level only with no candidates on a federal level.

These third party political parties take votes away from the primary parties, Democrats and Republicans. Many of those parties that do not have a candidate at the federal level do not vote on the federal level either.