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He was a hindu and he did not know Jesus Christ. Ergo, he's in hell.

But he was good to his fellow man - advocating passive resistance and non-violence.

Extending my question, what about the cavemen that didn't know Jesus?

What if a person was born in an island full of people without any knowledge of God nor Jesus, and he lived in isolation - will he still be damned?

Am i right if i say that this is unfair?

No, because anything God has done or will do is fair.  I don't remember the passages at the moment but there are some that would answer your question.

No - Gandhi is not in Hell or No - God is fair.

If the former, Gandhi did not believe in Christ, and the basic tenet of xtianity is if u'r an unbeliever, you are damned.

If the latter, let me give a concrete example:

I am the greatest tightrope walker in the world. I invited two people to witness my final act - the first person, let us call him Saddam, has watched all my shows since i began my career. He knows all of my capabilities. The second person, let us call him Osama, lived in isolation and away from technology and civilization - he does not know me nor my talents.

I then proposed for them to join me in my feat by riding in a wheelbarrow and i shall push them from one end to another. I will give a million dollars to that which trusts me.

Saddam, aware of my greatness, decided to do it. Osama, fearing for his life, declined. I gave the million dollars to Saddam.

The answer was to the latter, no God is not unfair.  

I must first ask this question.  Are you a believer?
If you are I will find the scripture for you.  

However if you are not a believer I will not waste the time until you have an understanding of where you currently stand.  It is a waste of time to debate what you think is fair or not if you do not even believe in Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and saviour.  

God bless,
Jason

I'm surprised by your answer. Should it matter if im a believer or not? If i was, you would feel at ease and would just quote the Bible. If i wasn't, then the hell with me, right? If im no xtian, then disregard my question, is this what ur implying?

I'm not generalizing the entire xtian lot sharing your animosity towards unbelievers. But, atheists i've debated with accepted my questions and answered it logically and rationally. I didn't hear them say - Are you an unbeliever? If you are. don't talk to us again.

Was this what would Christ would have done - reject unbelievers?

You have a serious problem if u think u are forever saved while carrying that attitude and belief.

I'd like to add:

Waste of time to debate with me but GOD BLESS!?!?

If i were an agnostic searching for the truth here at xtiansunite.com; then, u give me that remark, i cud have converted to other religion or atheism just by answer.

You abandoned me just because i was in doubt.

I didn't tell you to go away or that I wouldn't EVER answer your question.  I'd have to say from you answer and spelling of Christian as xtians and wording of things you aren't.  I should just make you read my post again but that seems like it would be a waste of time.  Instead let me enlightne you a bit since you so easily fly off the handle.  I said and I quote
"I will not waste the time until you have an understanding of where you currently stand."

You first need to know this pertinent information.  I'm not going to try and teach someone algebra before they can even add and subtract.  If you are yet unsaved and don't know Jesus as your Lord and saviour then this needs to be taken care of first.  You need to first see that you like everyone is a sinner.

So I did not abandon you as you claimed.  I needed to know where rather I need to know whaere you are so that I can get started.  I don't waste time in the evolution vs creation debate either.  You are asking spiritual questions that need to be spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the
things of the Spirit of God: for they are
foolishness unto him: neither can he
know them, because they are spiritually
discerned.

I am only following the bible.  I tried it other ways but of course God being perfect and knowing all his plan and way is the only way.  

So then, if you wouldn't mind, could you answer the question?

think of it as a placement test.

God bless, (oh yes this is something I do to all because I am told to even bless those that curse me.  This I might add can be quite hard yet I do it anyway.  There is no greater a blessing a man can give then to ask God to bless him.

Jason

Lex,

Hello there!  Let me answer this question with God's Own words:

"For this is what the promise said: "About this time next year I will return and Sarah shall have a son." And not only so, but also when Rebecca had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad--in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of his call-- she was told, "The older will serve the younger." As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[/b] So then it depends not on human will or exertion,but on God, who has mercy. " - Romans 9:9-13

Simply put, my friend, it's God's call.  As for those who have never heard, read Romans 1 and see what God has to say concerning them.

But, that seems to be a bit less than sufficient for this posting.  You came here asking a question about God.  Jason asked if you know God as Savior.  Can I ask that as well?  Do you?  Because if you do not my friend, the important question for you then is "What must I do to be saved?!"  And I for one, would love to tell you...

Salvation is not based on good or bad, fair or unfair but on relationship with the Son of God.

It is not fair that I'm saved, I do not deserve it at all. I still feel like a bad person, but the facts are that I have received forgiveness and that forgiveness is completely dependent on God and not on me being a good or bad person

It is Gods Grace that saved me through the faith that he placed within me.  I excerised the faith and accepted His son the Lord Jesus and it is settled.  I did not work for His salvation that he gave to me, for if it was based on any work that I could do it would not be Grace and then I could boast about all the good things I did.  Those that work are doing good things in this world but there is no salvation for being good. there is only Salvation through Faith in Jesus and by coming to this one and only door of saving faith.  

I will not Judge the man as if He is in Heaven or Hell, Only God knows what happened at the moment of his departure.  I will say this, if the man did not receive Jesus as his Lord and savior, and only God knows for sure, then Hell would be his eternal home, so the important thing for you is to be sure you have received Salvation by the Grace of God through Faith in His Son the Lord Jesus.

One word Early57 - AMEN!!!

Ofcourse it is God's call, but scripture also says that to whom much is given much is expected. Everyman is judged according to what God has given him, so, indeed, God knows this amount and is able to judge much better than man.

Saved_4ever:


You think?


I'm not cursing anybody here. The reason why I joined was for me to be enlightened.

Alinall

Re ur question and Save_4ever's about my belief in God as my personal saviour, I want to - it would be so much easy to do this and it would be comforting; however, I'm doubtful - reason points me otherwise.


Kindly so.... :D

Early57

So Gandhi's humanitarian acts will be for naught if he didn't belive in Jesus?

His acts will benefit men for ages to come, but if his motives were to gain salvation then your statement is right they were for naught, just as Mother Threasa's acts of kindness were not any good towards the salvation issue.

You said that you came here to be enlightened.  In Hebrews it says that if you are enlightened and you turn away you cannot renew the enlightened state.  Once you understand that you are in need of a Savior and do not receive and accept this savior you do not get another chance. You cannot crucfiy Jesus again.  So it would be in your benefit to accept Jesus now and worry about Ghandi after your own soul is taken care of.  Now that is the way I see the passage in Hebrews.  It is for the unbeleiver that receives the knowledge and does not accept the savior.  So Lex please be very careful and do what is right.  Do not let a debate over Ghandi steal your hope of Salvation.

Gandhi was a world figure and was probably well read. I doubt that he did not know of Jesus and the christian faith.

He wanted freedom for India and his people. He was always in the struggle to get out from under the British.

How do you know they did not know God?

God is longsuffering and would have all to be saved. He will not bring the world to an end and exercise judgement until all know of Him and His Son.
That is why the gospel is to be preached to all nations and creatures. Then the end will come, but not before all know
and have the choice to accept or deny.

God is just and makes judgements according to his law.

So if am saved; then, I sin - my salvation will be revoked with no hope of claiming it back? Then no one enters heaven.

Or if I'm saved; then, I use my faculty of logic and reason given to me by God and by this I begin to question, I'm to be damned?

          Lex ;
    Salvation has nothing to do with how good or how bad you are.
ROM 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
ROM 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    Not one of us is perfect, and that is the standard by which we are judged not being good or bad. We all would go to hell if not for The Sacrifice Of The Lamb, and that Lamb is Jesus, it is His Blood that covers our sin.

ACTS 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
ROM 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
1JN 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
       By mans standard it would be, but Salvation is GODS to Grant not us for as we have all ready seen we are all ready that we are sinners.

Forrest:

Huh?! Salvation has nothing to do with being good and evil?! I think not.

Why bother with the Ten Commandments?

And what is it exactly that you need to do in order to be saved?

Lex, the issue is not the reasons you are doubtful, but the doubt.  Each of us doubted prior to our salvation.  It is in human nature not to accept something we cannot tangibly feel or see.  There is great risk involved in accepting this comfort you are looking for.  But think about this my friend, what's the risk?  You simply lose what you've held onto.  A disbelief in your own worthiness for salvation perhaps.  Where do I get that one from?


Here.  Let me help you with something.  You are not worthy.  Yes.  There are actually thousands of overpaid psychologists now issuing a collective gasp at this statement!  :D :D  But that my friend is the whole point.  None of us will ever be worthy of this great gift.  It is, afterall, just that.  As a son, I've disobeyed my parents, broken my hand hitting a wall rather than taking my anger out on my dad, and a bevy of other sinful practices of my youth where my parents are concerned.  And yet, every Christmas, I still get a gift.  Why?  Because that's what a gift is.  It isn't earned, or purchased for one's self.  It is given.  

There are many issues out there Lex that can distract you from the main point you've come to.  Focusing on them, rather than this opportunity, would be wrong.  You said that you have reasons for disbelief.  I say that belief will explain any reason.  If you wait for the satisfaction of answers to those reasons, more reasons will arise.  If you wait until you think you may be worthy, or able to remain worthy of this salvation, more unworthiness will come to light.

I truly believe that in your reply to mine, I sensed a genuine desire to accept, yet a holding on to doubt.  Lex?  Do you believe in God?  If so, how much further would you have to go to believe God?

At the latter part of your post to Forrest, you asked:


God says, for starters, that each and every single one of us is born into one position: SINNER

Romans 3:10-12

And in verse 23 of the same chapter...


Do you believe Him?  If so, then you need to hear what He has said about the price for being in this position: DEATH

Romans 6:23

Again, do you believe Him?  Death my friend is something each of us can relate to, but not all of us understand.  Death isn't ceasing to exist, but rather a separation.  Physically, one's soul and spirit are separated from their bodies when death occurs.  Spiritually, death is an eternal separation from God in a place called the lake of fire:

Revelation 20:11-15

God has said it.  Do you believe it?  Some may deny that a God of love would do such a thing.  But God is above all things holy.  Do you know what it means to be holy?  Separate.  God is set apart from sin and will not accept us without a payment for our.  But here's the great part!  The God of love paid the price for all, through His Son Jesus Christ's death on the cross[/b]:

John 3:16

Hebrews 10:7-10

God paid the price!  There is no need for man's work, hence...

Ephesians 2:8-9

God says that salvation comes from His Son's blood-bought payment by God's grace to us and our faith in Him.  What must you do to be saved?  First, change your mind about this.  Take away your belief in your doubts and replace it with your belief in God!  Second, change your heart about this.  You've sinned and are accountable to a Holy God.  Ask His forgiveness and know that ..."he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" - 1 John 1:9.  And third, change your will about this.  Accept His gift of loving salvation!

I know this has been a lengthy post, and I trust you've read through it.  You asked.  I hope you accept.

In prayer,

Kevin

Are you reading from a script Lex?  How perfectly bibical you are moving.

Ac 16:30
And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Ac 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Ac 16:32
And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Ac 16:33
And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Ac 16:34
And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

You must believe on the Son of God my friend that's what you must do.  Believe on Christ Jesus from your heart.  It sounds as if the LORD is openly calling you, I pray you accept His gift.  You aren't guaranteed tomorrow so I wounldn't ponder this thing too long if you feel your heart being pricked.

Joh 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

You see what will truly condemn you in the end is your unbelief.  There will be no pity on those who refuse the gift of God.  In fact as you read this now the wrath of God abideth on you for you do not believe.  You may not feel it's full effects until death but it's there now.

The ten commandments are God's law and they serve a purpose just not the one most think.  For the Word tells us:
Ga 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto
Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

The law shows you why you are a sinner like all of us and shows you your condition before God.  I hope that you too will come to Christ and be saved.

God bless,
Jason

I did not say Saved, I said enlightened which is two different states.

To know you need a savior and accept would be getting saved, to know you need a savior and reject would be the one that could damn your soul.


Cavemen and anyone else who never heard the message of Jesus would be fairly judged accordingly,  But in our modern age that is very unlikely that very many would not hear of Jesus.

God said that he placed eternity in their hearts.

To understand a God thing one must be born again.  it is impossable for you to undersatnd the family without being part of the family


But for some reason I feel that you do not care about these things and you have heard it all before.  So do you want to get Saved, Born again, made complete, Come to Christ Jesus the Lord and Savior?

I'm still praying for you Lex!  

First of all, sorry if i wasn't able to reply earlier. I was able to read all your messages but was so swamped with work that i wasn't able to respond right away. I wanted to digest what you have said and come up with intelligent and honest answers.

Alinall

Thanks for taking the time to include me in your prayers. And yes I am genuine in my posts that I want to believe. You can read my introduction at the "ABOUT YOU" discussion thread to see my basic dilemma.

Yes, i've thoroughly read it.

Early57

Basically, I want to know what to believe.

Saved_4ever

Actually, the validity of the Bible is something that i'm questioning too.....

Salvation is through Faith by Gods Grace.  The grace that is availeble because Jesus is alive after being dead because of paying the cost to redeem all mankind to himself by the sacrifice.  Making availble a gift.

Early 57:

So I can get away with every bad deed that i have and will do so long as i beliv in Christ?

Not to steal Early's thunder here Lex, but I believe the issue isn't "getting away with" as much as being forgiven for!  Mind you, a born again believer doesn't use that forgiveness as a means to sin:


But rather, uses that as incentive not to sin.  A believer is free from the penalty of sin, but sin's power and presence still have a potentially crippling impact.  God never let anyone get away with sin Lex.  Jesus bled and died for your sin and mine.  God enacted His judgement on Jesus so that He can forgive us and remember our sin no more.   :)

No Thunder to steal.

All the Thunder belongs to Our great God and Savior, Jesus.


But I will give you the Aman.


We will fall short, but the Grace of God will keep us to the last day and present us to the Father through the Son.


It is not how much sin I can get away with and still make it to Heaven, it is how great a salvation I have received from the throne of Grace that takes away the "want to sin attitude"


Loose translation with these words;  I can do anything I want too,   So Jesus took away the "Want too"

 :) We're still prayin Lex!  Hope you're not too busy these days.   :)

Just to add my 2 cents to what Lex said really fast. I’m surprised no one quoted John 14:15 (NIV) "If you love me, you will obey what I command.” If you are truly saved and you love God, the question of good and evil are irrelevant, you will do your best to serve him. PEROID. So yes, being saved is all you need, because if you are truly saved, the being good part will naturally follow.

DITTO  ;D

Was Mohandas Gandhi, Roman Catholic?  

Yes and no. He was a synergist.

Gandhi was quoted as saying (and I paraphrase) I would have gladly embraced Christianity, except I find it to be hypocritical. Too bad, because he would have been a asset to the Kingdom.

None of us were at his side when he died, so we are not sure if he ever accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior.

I stand corrected. Here is what he said...

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

I was a child at one time and we played the game Hide and seek.  I loved that game.  But there was one thing that was requried for the game to be successful; You had to find something that was bigger then you to hide behind.


So if Ghandi hid behind the Hypocrytes as his excuse for not accepting Jesus then he had to be smaller then a Hypocryte.

Ah, that is good, Early 57. However, the thing with Religions and Philosophy is anything can be proven by adding on paper, but when it gets out in the real world, when people try to apply the theories, that is when the true test comes.

What better way for a person who is searching for the true religion (such as Gandhi was) to find it then by watching the religions followers? You can read all the holy texts from a thousand different theologies, but they will not make a lick of different if you don’t see real life experiences.

Instead of blatantly dismissing Gandhi’s beliefs as foolishness, learn from it. Think of how the world would be different if the Christian’s Gandhi had met would have followed Gods commandments! The majority of the citizens of India and South Africa, and countless other Nations might be saved! We must learn from this, otherwise we may end up smaller then a fool. ;D

Actually there are some passages in scripture that, while not exactly making a case for universal salvation, would seem to make the case for 'Christian Only' salvation a little less than air-tight. Most Christians aren't too interested in a line of inquiry like this because, obviously, universal salvation would tend to make Christianity largely irrelevant.

GarColga- you know better then to say something about the bible hear and NOT give a referrance!  ;D

Where did you find this passage?

Actually there a handful of them. I'll only post one because I find 'verse-trading' to be a dubious enterprise at best. Really, scripture can be found to support or refute just about anything.

Luke 3:6 "And all flesh shall see the salvation of God".

Hay theyre
Im not sure where Ghandi might be. I know he had an affair with the old woman Elaine Benes went to see. Weather the latter rain fell upon him and he repented i know not.

Judge no one

You quote a verse that is in mid-sentence!? No wonder you have a twisted view of Christianity. Let me quote you the verse in context:

Luke 3:3-6
He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. As is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet:
   "A voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord,  make straight paths for him. Every valley shall be filled in, every mountain and hill made low. The crooked roads shall become straight, the rough ways smooth. And all mankind will see God's salvation.' "

See, the verse you quoted is quoting another verse, which is :

Isaiah 40:3-5

A voice of one calling: "In the desert prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God. Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, the rugged places a plain and the glory of the LORD will be revealed, and all mankind together will see it. For the mouth of the LORD has spoken."

This isn't vague or dubious, it is clear what the verse means. The Glory of God will be revealed, and everyone will see it. Everyone will know of God salvation throw Jesus Christ.

We can give you direct verse, in context, and say Jesus is the only way to heaven, but you have to manipulate and take things out of context to prove your point.


Yes, verse trading can be dubious, and scripture and be found to support of refute anything, but only if you play around with the verses like you just did. The chapters and verses were added much later, these books where written to be read as one piece. It is easy to shed light on things, no longer making them dubious, buy reading the whole book. You are going to have to do better then that if you want us to believe that the bible says Jesus is not the only way to heaven!  You are not playing around with moronic baby Christians here, pal. We are for the most part intelligent Christians who read apologetics FOR FUN! You maybe could get way with quoting a dubious verse like that to convince the minor league Christians, but we are some hard-hitting player, kid. Try again, this time with the verse in context.

Whatever.

That is all you are going to say? You said you had plenty of verses, let us see them. How about this: next time one of us using simple logical to prove you wrong, and you feel like posting “whatever,” just don’t reply, ok?

tibby said
Well I cannot be smaller then a fool for the fool has said in his heart there is no God and I believe that there is a God and that this same God is the One and Only Jesus.

If the Christians were perfect then we would have no need for Jesus.  There is none rightous, no not one.  So if MG failed the test of looking only to Jesus for salvation, that is his own fault.  the real question is what will LEX do, will he hide behind MG maybe going to hell and thererby join him or will he stand up and see that Jesus is the only way, the only truth and the only life.   I feel sorry for anyone who has rejected Jesus for any reason but I cannot change any of the past.  Only work on the present and future, which I might add LEX still has and MG's is sealed, heaven or Hell.

Good people go to hell because they rejected the only way in.  not because they are good or bad.

I'm still praying for you Lex, as are a couple of other people on my end.  Are you still struggling?

I thought his name was Mahatma Gandhi. And who here has a list of names of those in hell? Just as humans do not have a list of the names in the Book of Life, neither do they know who goes to hell.

Jesus became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; and God alone knows what is really fair.

Who knows whether a person in his dying moments sees his own helplessness and cries out for salvation in Jesus Christ?

Ghandi relates a tale from his youth about being inspired to visit a Christian church after having read some of the scriptures. His opinion of Christians was shaped forever though after being turned away because of his ethnicity. It's the sort of experience that tends to shape a person.

I still say I don't know who becomes a Christian on their deathbed. But I did find a quote:


"I consider myself Hindu, Christian, Moslem, Jew, Budhist, and Confucian."--- Mahatma Gandhi 1869

Mahatma Gandhi, is given much credit for being a wise man.

His profession In that order,  sounds wise.....and....

It sounds to me like he covered his tracks pretty well..

But,..........(he doesn't have the last word)......... God says;

He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 1 Cor 3:19

I can asure you, he might have been similing when he wrote these things; but (there is that word again)...he wont be, when he stands before the Throne of Judgment; far better it would have  been to stand at the Throne of Grace.



It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(Heb 10:31)



Blessings,

Petro

Just a thought
Kingdom - eternal life
Not 1 in the same

Matt.19  [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

All the commandments mentioned have to do with your dealings with man and none are mentioned about the sabbath, graven images, etc...

REV.20 [4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Kingdom-1000yr-Those saved by obeying the WORD-ALL OF IT-The law and the testimony(which incidently is harder to keep than the law)

Eternal life-Judged by works(verse 13)-The commandments dealing with man

If ya make it to the kingdom, ya got it made

[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Just looked into this today. Im seeing other things now. Im not really sure what scriptures are saying. I suppose i should not have posted anything about this till i looked it over completely.Sorry

Just to be clear, im talkin time frames. Thats not to clear,is it?

NO GHANDI IS NOT IN HELL.. WHY? BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HELL! IT DOES NOT EXIST IT WAS MADE UP TO SCARE AND GUILT PPL INTO BELEIVING IN A RELIGION THAT IS NOT REAL! WHY AGAIN? TO CAUSE THEM TO WASTE THEIR MEAGER LIVES GIVING ALL TO A CHURCH THAT IN THE END DOES NOT MATTER! FREE YOUR MINDS PEOPLE AND SEE THE LIGHT THE REAL LIGHT .... DAYTIME!
NOT SOME MADE UP CRAP THAT WARPS YOUR GOOD MINDS OF REASONING AND JUSTICE...

I'm sorry if it took so long for me to reply......busy with work and all......and I really wanted to understand and digest all of your answers.

Thanks for all of your replies and concerns.

Basically, from what I have read....Salvation is given upon those who receive Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and not on the deeds you do because ultimately, no one is worthy.

Scriptures can support this - Rom 3:10-12, Rom. 6:23, John 3:16, Eph.2 8-9 etc.

However, one posted Rev 20:11-15 - and in it was the implication that the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they have done.

Why then would our good works be of any merit?

Also, what purpose is there for the Ten Commandments if following or breaking it plays little part in our personal salvation?

Thanks

Welcome back Lex!  Hope work isn't too overwhelming these days.


Yes.  But such judgment is for what they have done with the gospel message - whether or not they have accepted Christ as their Savior.  Where our works are concerned, God has always made note that the believer was saved unto good works not by those works.  Conversely, that if a "believer" does not have good works, then he should question his salvation (i.e. "know them by their fruits").


They merit us nothing as far as salvation goes.  They are indicative of a regenerated life and are rewarded in eternity not with eternal life.


I love this question because it's answer shows the unity of scriptures on the matter of salvation.  The law, whether the ten commandments or on the whole, was given to show man that he can't keep it.  It was given to show man that he is a sinner in need of redemption, hence the Old Testament sacrifices.  The two go hand in hand.  In short my friend, the Law pointed to a Savior Who would come.  The gospel points to a Savior Who did come, died, and rose again as the supreme sacrifice, good once for all unlike the yearly sacrifices the Law demanded which needed repetition.  

Does this help any?

Is Mohandas Gandhi in HELL?
I say he's in the grave awaiting the last day, when he will be ressurrected and judged by that man whom God has appointed to judge the living and the dead.

Act 17:31  He has set a day when he will judge the world's people with fairness. And he has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death.

Will he go to the lake of fire?
We will have to wait and see, but in the mean time:
Mat 7:1  Judge not, that ye be not judged.
1Co 4:5  Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Paul also said this:
1Co 4:1  Think of us as servants of Christ who have been given the work of explaining God's mysterious ways.
1Co 4:2  And since our first duty is to be faithful to the one we work for,
1Co 4:3  it doesn't matter to me if I am judged by you or even by a court of law. In fact, I don't judge myself.
1Co 4:4  I don't know of anything against me, but that doesn't prove that I am right. The Lord is my judge.

This is wonderful! I am sure there were those who judged that Paul was going to hell (pharisees), but what was that to Paul?

I know we can know them by their fruits, but we can still pray "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."
I have not studied the life of Gandhi, so I do not know where he stood with Jesus. If Gandhi came stealing, killing, and destroying, like the Pharisees, then we can be pretty sure of His destination.

Rom 2:1  Some of you accuse others of doing wrong. But there is no excuse for what you do. When you judge others, you condemn yourselves, because you are guilty of doing the very same things.
Rom 2:2  We know that God is right to judge everyone who behaves in this way.
Rom 2:3  Do you really think God won't punish you, when you behave exactly like the people you accuse?
Rom 2:4  You surely don't think much of God's wonderful goodness or of his patience and willingness to put up with you. Don't you know that the reason God is good to you is because he wants you to turn to him?
Rom 2:5  But you are stubborn and refuse to turn to God. So you are making things even worse for yourselves on that day when he will show how angry he is and will judge the world with fairness.
Rom 2:6  God will reward each of us for what we have done.
Rom 2:7  He will give eternal life to everyone who has patiently done what is good in the hope of receiving glory, honor, and life that lasts forever.
Rom 2:8  But he will show how angry and furious he can be with every selfish person who rejects the truth and wants to do evil.
Rom 2:9  All who are wicked will be punished with trouble and suffering. It doesn't matter if they are Jews or Gentiles.
Rom 2:10  But all who do right will be rewarded with glory, honor, and peace, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.
Rom 2:11  God doesn't have any favorites!
Rom 2:12  Those people who don't know about God's Law will still be punished for what they do wrong. And the Law will be used to judge everyone who knows what it says.
Rom 2:13  God accepts those who obey his Law, but not those who simply hear it.
Rom 2:14  Some people naturally obey the Law's commands, even though they don't have the Law.
Rom 2:15  This proves that the conscience is like a law written in the human heart. And it will show whether we are forgiven or condemned,
Rom 2:16  when God appoints Jesus Christ to judge everyone's secret thoughts, just as my message says.


My prayer is "God be merciful to me a sinner!"

asaph

Are you thinking that some will not make the kingdom but will still be saved and granted eternal life after the 1000 year reign?

asaph

The fact that a lifeless church turned Gandhi off Christ is super sad.

Still praying for you Lex!  May God bless...

Wreck n Sow,

Everyone that places their faith in Jesus and is forgiven his tresspasses (sins), and has been given the Holy Spirit, "hath part in the first resurrection"    and has acquird the reality of the part, by faith, the gift of God, which comes by Grace and produces Salvation.

Col2
10  And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11  In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12  Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13  And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

This is the first resurrection, and it is a present reality;

Lk 20
34  And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35  But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36  Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
37  Now that the dead are raised, even Moses showed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
38  For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

God Bless,
Petro