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Title: Life on other planets
Post by: someguy on September 11, 2003, 12:54:16 AM
Just out of curiosity here.  Do any of you think we will find life on other planets eventually?  Do you think it exists and we won't find it?  If found, how would this life fit into God's plan?  I don't mean specifically little green men, but any sort of life, single-celled or whatever.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Heidi on September 11, 2003, 10:24:32 AM
In Genesis, it says that God made the stars for man. I apologize for not looking up the exact quote but my time is limited at the moment. There is much more evidence that Christ existed than there is that there are aliens out there. The belief in Aliens simply fits into the human belief system that there must be life on other planets because of how big the universe is. This logic comes from the linear human mind. Man is simply deducing this because of the ratio of earth to planets/stars. Man can't possibly imagine that we are alone because then he would have to answer the question of "Why?" There has to be some mathematical (human) explanation for it. Thus, the search for life on other planets.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Knox on September 11, 2003, 11:23:34 AM
Thanks to the Hubble Telescope, we now know that patches of the 'sky' that appeared empty, are actually full of distant galaxies.

I read last month about an Australian star counting project, and the astronomers there concluded that there were 70 thousand million million million stars in the visible universe, a number 10 times greater than the number of grains of sand on all the world's beaches. And that's just the visible universe, the part we can see, which is probably just a portion of a much larger totality.

Those are some fantastic numbers, and it seems inevitable that there is other life out there. Will we ever find it, or have contact with any? Who knows? I kinda would doubt it though, as it is probably just too darned far away.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Heidi on September 11, 2003, 11:32:53 AM
Did these scientists actually count the stars or are they simply projections based on mathematical formulas? I doubt that they counted all the grains of sand either. Those theories are based on perception which is also relative. It's similar thinking as lightyears. Lightyears are calculated by the time it takes the light from stars to reach the earth. Yet, who knows if way up in the universe, the properties don't change and time is slower or faster? After all, time is relative. The clock is an invention of man.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: aw on September 11, 2003, 12:51:42 PM
If there is, God created it and they need Jesus as Saviour.

aw


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Corpus on September 11, 2003, 02:37:32 PM
Maybe Jesus has already been there.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on September 11, 2003, 04:36:49 PM
If there is, God created it and they need Jesus as Saviour.

aw

Amen


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Knox on September 11, 2003, 05:19:40 PM
If there is, God created it and they need Jesus as Saviour.

Not necessarily. If God created intelligent life on other planets, who's to say the the same scenario that played out here played out all over the cosmos?

What if on a planet far far away the local Adam and Eve never ate what passes for an apple there? What if there was no tree with a serpent in it to tempt Eve. What if the local version of Adam never fell?




Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Corpus on September 11, 2003, 05:26:23 PM
Knox,

Have you been reading Lewis' Perelandra Chronicles??


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Tibby on September 11, 2003, 05:33:51 PM
Yeah, or Lawhead's "dreamthief"?


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Knox on September 11, 2003, 05:36:14 PM
Actually I've only read "Out of the Silent Planet", and that was a few years ago!


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Tibby on September 11, 2003, 05:39:21 PM
You need to read the rest!


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Royo on September 11, 2003, 09:14:39 PM
First off, I think your first response was excellent Hiedi.
As for life on other planets, I don't think so. And this is from what I feel the scriptures say.
We are told that God created the heavens and the earth, and then He created man because He wanted children.
The Word says that at the end, God will burn up the heavens and the earth, and create a new heaven and a new earth, and that we will live with Him for all eternity upon this new earth. This leads me to believe that life exists only on the earth, where we will live with Him forever.
I do not claim revelation about this; it is just how I see it.
Love in Christ. Roy.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Heidi on September 11, 2003, 09:27:16 PM
Thanks, Royo. I also tend to believe that there is no life on other planets. Even if there is, it is obviously not something that God deems important enough for us to chase after or He would have placed more emphasis on it.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Whitehorse on September 12, 2003, 12:52:49 AM
Just out of curiosity here.  Do any of you think we will find life on other planets eventually?  Do you think it exists and we won't find it?  If found, how would this life fit into God's plan?  I don't mean specifically little green men, but any sort of life, single-celled or whatever.

I tend to think not. I think He made this endless universe to reveal His glory, but I do believe God has an infinite number of other equally endless universes and that there is life there.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: ebia on September 12, 2003, 01:10:48 AM
I doubt that they counted all the grains of sand either.
Why on earth would you need to?  You can count how many in a bucketful and calculate from there.  Also bear in mind, that not all counting has to be done by hand - computers are pretty good at counting things.

Astronomy is just about the most ancient of the sciences - modern astronomers are very aware of the assumptions they make and have very good reasons for beliveing them to be valid.

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Posted by: Royo  Posted on: Today at 11:14:39am  
First off, I think your first response was excellent Hiedi.
As for life on other planets, I don't think so. And this is from what I feel the scriptures say.
We are told that God created the heavens and the earth, and then He created man because He wanted children.
The Word says that at the end, God will burn up the heavens and the earth, and create a new heaven and a new earth, and that we will live with Him for all eternity upon this new earth. This leads me to believe that life exists only on the earth, where we will live with Him forever.
I do not claim revelation about this; it is just how I see it.
Love in Christ. Roy.  
Why on earth (sorry  ;) ) shouldn't all that apply equally well to other "earths" as well.

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What if on a planet far far away the local Adam and Eve never ate what passes for an apple there? What if there was no tree with a serpent in it to tempt Eve. What if the local version of Adam never fell?
Jack Lewis aside, that presupposes a literal Adam and Eve who have to be literal antecedents of us all, rather than representing our individual seperations from God.

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Thanks, Royo. I also tend to believe that there is no life on other planets. Even if there is, it is obviously not something that God deems important enough for us to chase after or He would have placed more emphasis on it.
Maybe He did, but in a way that will only become clear when we have the capability of doing so.  Its unbelievably presumptous to assume we now have all the understanding we will ever have.

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I tend to think not. I think He made this endless universe to reveal His glory, but I do believe God has an infinite number of other equally endless universes and that there is life there.
Irrelevent point, but the universe may be very very big, and expanding, but it isn't endless.  Or, more precisely, it isn't infinite.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Allinall on September 12, 2003, 02:00:11 AM
As I am wont to do, I must refer to the scriptures for my understanding on such matters:

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In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.  And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
And God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.
And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
And God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth." And it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so. And God made the two great lights--the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night--and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.


Genesis 1:1-19

I find it very interesting that in the creation, such a huge portion of that work is relegated only these words: "and the stars."  While we are not the center of the universe, we are the express crown of that universe according to scripture.  That being so, why such an expanse of stars in the heavens?

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The heavens declare the glory of God,
   and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Psalm 19:1

The "heavens" are there to declare the glory of God.  Anyone who has ever done any investigation on the stars and such, and has faith, will see the wonderous painting of His glory that God has given us.  

The stars aren't there to support other life.  According to God, they simply declare His glory to man.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Saved_4ever on September 12, 2003, 02:03:39 AM
Oh joy I always love professed Christians that don't believe in Adam and Eve.

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Its unbelievably presumptous to assume we now have all the understanding we will ever have.

The bible is all the information that God feels we need to know for now.

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Irrelevent point, but the universe may be very very big, and expanding, but it isn't endless.  Or, more precisely, it isn't infinite.

And you know this how?

Considering I have seen the scientists that use the hubble telescope say they "enhance" the images from it, I hold little value in the pretty pictures they have.  The telescope takes rough black and whites and they use computers to come up with the colors.  Sounds shady to me.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Royo on September 12, 2003, 03:19:14 AM
Ebia, are you a Christian?
I am asking this as a serious question. You say there was no Adam and Eve, and yet God says He created them. I have not been here long enough to know about everyone, so I don't know if you are one of the atheists that comment here, or not.
Just want to know before I comment to your reply.
Thanks, Roy.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Saved_4ever on September 12, 2003, 03:32:44 AM
She's an aussie catholic if I remember correctly.  Whatever that means to you.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: ebia on September 12, 2003, 04:39:35 AM
Oh joy I always love professed Christians that don't believe in Adam and Eve.

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Its unbelievably presumptous to assume we now have all the understanding we will ever have.

The bible is all the information that God feels we need to know for now.

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Irrelevent point, but the universe may be very very big, and expanding, but it isn't endless.  Or, more precisely, it isn't infinite.

And you know this how?

Considering I have seen the scientists that use the hubble telescope say they "enhance" the images from it, I hold little value in the pretty pictures they have.  The telescope takes rough black and whites and they use computers to come up with the colors.  Sounds shady to me.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: ebia on September 12, 2003, 04:48:53 AM

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Oh joy I always love professed Christians that don't believe in Adam and Eve.
Pleased to make you happy.

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Its unbelievably presumptous to assume we now have all the understanding we will ever have.

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The bible is all the information that God feels we need to know for now.
Only in matters of faith.  In other areas, this is so obviously untrue as to be laughable.

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Irrelevent point, but the universe may be very very big, and expanding, but it isn't endless.  Or, more precisely, it isn't infinite.

And you know this how?
Science.  Physics and astronomy.

On the other hand, if you don't trust science, you may as well argue for a earth-centred universe with the stars painted on a glorified tablecloth.

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Considering I have seen the scientists that use the hubble telescope say they "enhance" the images from it, I hold little value in the pretty pictures they have.  The telescope takes rough black and whites and they use computers to come up with the colors.  Sounds shady to me.
Surely "shady" would be black and white.  ;)

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Ebia, are you a Christian?
I am asking this as a serious question. You say there was no Adam and Eve, and yet God says He created them. I have not been here long enough to know about everyone, so I don't know if you are one of the atheists that comment here, or not.
Just want to know before I comment to your reply.
Thanks, Roy.

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She's an aussie catholic if I remember correctly.  Whatever that means to you.
No part of that is correct  :)
But I am Christian.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Corpus on September 12, 2003, 08:13:43 AM
Since scripture only makes reference to the stars above, I presume we can discount other planets altogether ( Mars, Venus, etc..). After all, scripture makes no mention of other planets, much less life on them.

As ebia has stated, scripture is intended to inspire, edify and inform on matters of faith. Any other utilization of it is contrary to God's purpose. It is a book of salvation, NOT a textbook of science/facts.

Scripture can help in understanding what is worth studying and exploring, but that doesn't mean it will tell us what we'll find.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: atheist on September 12, 2003, 08:41:35 AM
The stars aren't there to support other life.  According to God, they simply declare His glory to man.

This sounds curiously like the summary of someone who lazily felt like skipping a chapter while translating.  Or someone who was writing with no imaginative skills.


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: Allinall on September 13, 2003, 01:41:10 AM
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This sounds curiously like the summary of someone who lazily felt like skipping a chapter while translating.  Or someone who was writing with no imaginative skills.

If this is in reference to me...what translational error have I made?  If it is in reference to those who did the translational work...what translational error did they make?  This sounds curiously like the summation of someone who does not understand what is written, therefore negates its validity.  Boy.  What an imagination!   ::)


Title: Re:Life on other planets
Post by: geralduk on September 18, 2003, 11:17:59 AM
Those  who for the  history of men but deny God look for the START of LIFE in the DUST.
Those who love science("so called") look for the future of man look  to the stars.
Both seek LIFE 'other' than God who is the author and giver of it.

AS men deny God by whom he was created in the PAST.
and who deny God to whom as it were we go in the FUTURE.

Then they are DEAD  and know it and are seeking LIFE.
The one the START of it,the other its END.
For in truth if they had LIFE then they wouild neither SEEK it nor wonder where it came from.

But  God by whom we were made promised to ABRAHAM that His seed would be as the SAND as as the STARS in heaven in number.