Title: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 12, 2006, 01:53:29 AM Constitution threatened by homeschool case
Expert: U.S. parent-led education endangered by U.N. children's protocol A couple in Brussels has been threatened with criminal neglect for schooling their children at home, and a U.S. expert on the issue told WorldNetDaily the case actually could pose a threat to the sovereignty of the U.S. Constitution. That's because if the basis for the legal arguments being made by Belgian prosecutors ever would be accepted in – or imposed upon -- the United States, that fact would make the U.N. protocol equal to the Constitution. In the case at hand, Alexandra Cohen has published a piece on the Brussels Journal website that her husband, Paul Belien, the website editor, was called to police headquarters, questioned, and threatened with criminal negligence counts because their children are homeschooled. "He was told that the Belgian authorities are of the opinion that, as a homeschooler, he has not adequately educated his children and, hence, is neglecting his duty as a parent, which is a criminal offense," she wrote. What terrifies U.S. homeschool education experts is the authorities' decision to cite the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child as a legal argument. That 1990s-era document was ratified quickly by 192 nations worldwide, but not the United States or Somalia. In Somalia, there was then no recognized government to do the formal recognition, and in the United States there's been opposition to its power. "(The treaty) would become the supreme law of the land," Chris Klicka, the senior counsel for the Home School Legal Defense Association, told WND. In conflicts with the Constitution, the treaty easily could prevail, he said. "Our worst fears are being realized as we see these other European countries feeling the pressure because they did sign on and enter into this treaty," he said. "Britain, for instance, had a report done by the (U.N.) Committee of 10 and they got chastised because they were allowing corporal punishment." Although signed under the Clinton Administration, the U.S. Senate never has ratified the treaty, largely because of conservatives' efforts to point out it would create that list of rights which primarily would be enforced against parents. The Convention is an international treaty that creates specific civil, economic, social, cultural and even economic rights for every child. It is monitored by the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child, which conceivably has enforcement powers. Under the U.N. protocol, a child could have an abortion without telling her parents, while at the same time forcing them to pay for it. A generic description of the treaty calls it "child-centric." But Klicka's HSLDA is more specific. The U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause requires that "all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land," the HSLDA said. That would mean any state law relating to child custody, the family, education, adoption, child pornography and dozens of other issues could be nullified in an instant, the group said. Under the protocol, children would be vested with freedom of expression, so that "any attempts (by parents) to prevent their children from interacting with material parents deem unacceptable is forbidden." Reaching to the far end of that logic would produce this result: your 6-year-old wants Playboy magazine, or even to visit a Playboy club, and you pay for it. Parents who fail would be subjected to "identification, reporting, referral, investigation, treatment, and follow-up." Klicka said the HSLDA is not directly involved in the Brussels case, although he has contacted the couple's legal counsel and has offered assistance if needed. In the report by Cohen, she said the couple's four oldest children were homeschooled, and have moved on to the university level. "Our youngest child is also being homeschooled, but she has yet to obtain her high school certificate, for which she is currently taking exams," she said. Those exams will be taken before the nation's Central Examination Board, of the Ministry of Education. "The Belgian Constitution, written in 1831, allows parents to homeschool," she wrote. "The CEB exists to enable people who have not attended or who have failed school to obtain an official high school certificate." The number of homeschooled students in Belgium, although small in number at about 500, has quadrupled in the past five years "as parents are seceding from the official schools where drugs and violence are rampant and pupils are indoctrinated with political correctness," she wrote. That, she said, "clearly bothers the authorities," who recently introduced a legislative plan that cites the U.N. protocol and obliges homeschooling parents to sign "an official 'declaration of homeschooling' in which they agree to school their children 'respecting the respect (sic) for the fundamental human rights and the cultural values of the child itself and others.'" She and her husband refused, and now the Ministry of Education believes they have violated the law, she said. The only response from the Minister of Education, Frank Vandenbroucke, came through a spokesman who said in a local newspaper that in Belgium homeschoolers are required to sign a document that requires them to follow the protocols of the U.N. Convention. "These parents have not done this. This is why the ministry has started an inquiry," he said. Klicka noted that even if the Senate never ratifies the protocol, it could be dumped on the United States by the ruling of an activist judge. "The fact that virtually every other nation in the world has adopted it has made it part of customary international law, and it means that it should be considered part of American jurisprudence," Cohen wrote. In an earlier critique, HSLDA President Michael Farris noted the protocol essentially would move any rights that parents now have to social workers, who could make any decision concerning children – and force compliance. Title: Re: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: Shammu on August 12, 2006, 03:33:40 AM Don't get me started on the Useless Nations again brother.
Title: Re: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 12, 2006, 04:24:36 AM Don't get me started on the Useless Nations again brother. But I like getting you going. :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: Shammu on August 12, 2006, 04:31:03 AM But I like getting you going. :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D Took you long enough to answer. ;)(http://bestsmileys.com/hitting/2.gif) P. Roger Bob Title: Re: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 12, 2006, 04:52:56 AM Took you long enough to answer. ;) (http://bestsmileys.com/hitting/2.gif) Bob P Roger I was a little preoccupied. ;D ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: Shammu on August 12, 2006, 05:00:37 AM I was a little preoccupied. ;D ;D ;D ;D Well I'm heading on off brother, you have a wonderful night. Remember to KEEP LOOKING UP brother. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D (http://bestsmileys.com/hitting/2.gif) P. Roger Bob Title: Re: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: LittlePilgrim on August 12, 2006, 04:38:46 PM I was/am homeschooled from the fifth grade onward (I'm finishing up this year). Speaking from experience, I know the quality of education a homeschooler usually receives, and it disturbs me that now not only is the GOVERNMENT trying to regulate the education of children... Something which should be the parent's primary responsibility anyway... But the U.N. is sticking its nose into matters where it DOES NOT BELONG! The U.N. was originally put together as a means to foster peace between governments (A task at which it has failed miserably, as only for THREE WEEKS since its founding has the U.N. managed to prevent war), but it seems to me the U.N. is drawing FAR too much power to itself. It has NO business running families' lives! (Anyone got an angry emote I can use? This is an issue where I feel REALLY strongly) >:(
Title: Re: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 12, 2006, 06:26:33 PM How's this one?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/randers/36_35_7.gif) I agree totally. Homeschooling students have proven that their level of education is higher by far than those taught in public schools. Their college entry level exams and ASVABS ( Military entry exam ) far exceeds those of public schools. The problem with homeschooling is that the government cannot control liberal indoctrination of these students ( abortion, homosexuality, evolution, anti-God, as well as other liberal government teachings ). The three weeks that you speak of was nothing that the UN actually accomplished, but something that would have taken place even without them. Title: Re: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: Shammu on August 12, 2006, 06:57:30 PM Here is another one LP.
(http://www.subliminalworld.org/angry.gif) Title: Re: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: LittlePilgrim on August 12, 2006, 08:38:21 PM Haha! I think I like PR's best! XD
And yeah, I took the ASVAB when I first began working my way toward the armed services. My score was like... An eighty-three? Something close to that. XD Title: Re: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 12, 2006, 09:09:56 PM Actually that's a pretty good score. In 1999, the National Average ASVAB score for people in the 17-21 age bracket was 54. It was 42 in 2004. The average overall for all branches right now is a 37. A 31 is minmum required and anything over a 60 usually means that you are qualified for almost anything you want.
I took the GCT/ARI which was replaced by the ASVAB in 1969 and received a 131 score which was also high. So it just goes to show what homeschooling does for students. Most homeschool students do as well as you did. Title: Re: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: Shammu on August 13, 2006, 12:01:27 AM Haha! I think I like PR's best! XD (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/DreamWeaver000/neener.gif) Title: Re: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: LittlePilgrim on August 13, 2006, 12:11:09 AM Pastor Roger, I was told by the recruiter that the average ASVAB score now is around thirty. X.X America's getting stupider by the year it seems. XD
Title: Re: Constitution threatened by homeschool case Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 13, 2006, 12:23:20 AM That just goes to show the quality of education that our public schools are providing or I should say are not providing. The public schools are spending way too much time teaching things that need not be taught by them and leaving the three R's to the winds.
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