Title: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:03:29 PM DOCTRINE OF THE PASTOR-TEACHER
A. Introduction. 1. No believer can attain spiritual maturity and become an invisible hero or glorify God apart from postsalvation epistemological rehabilitation. a. This means that no believer can read the Bible and attain spiritual maturity. The Bible is our textbook, but the gift of pastor(c)teacher is designed to communicate the specifics of the mystery doctrine that cause spiritual growth. Doctrine must be learned under authority, and that authority is vested in the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher. b. No believer can read the Bible daily for himself and discover and learn the mystery doctrine for the Church Age, and understand the mechanics of the protocol plan of God. It must be taught through authority. Authority is always the key to teaching. 2. Postsalvation epistemological rehabilitation is defined as perception, metabolization, and application of Bible doctrine, resulting in spiritual momentum. Postsalvation epistemological rehabilitation cannot occur apart from the gift of pastor(c)teacher. 3. Since every believer is a royal priest and represents himself before God, it is necessary for him to understand the system of delegated authority whereby he receives his spiritual nourishment and which causes momentum in the protocol plan. 4. Every believer must take the responsibility for his own decisions. Therefore, the believer must make decisions with regard to his selection of his own pastor(c)teacher, and his faithfulness in learning Bible doctrine from that pastor(c)teacher. 5. Failure to take in Bible doctrine on a daily basis, to grow in grace and attain spiritual maturity, is directly related to the fall of the client nation to God. Therefore, the believer’s attitude toward the mystery doctrine as taught by his right pastor, whomever he is, becomes the major issue in the preservation of the client nation. 6. God has provided two systems of authority for the great power experiment of the Church Age. One is animate and one is inanimate. a. The inanimate authority is the Word of God, with emphasis on the mystery doctrine found in the epistles of the New Testament. Since it is the Word of God that is alive and powerful, it is the responsibility of the pastor(c)teacher to communicate the Word of God, and not to spend his time in other activities. b. The animate authority is the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher, whereby the individual believer becomes aware of his invisible assets and the available power to become an invisible hero. c. Both the animate and inanimate authorities are linked together in the communication of the mystery doctrine of the Church Age, whereby cognitive independence in Bible doctrine becomes the means of glorifying God in the unique Church Age. d. The inanimate authority of the Word of God can be described briefly in the following manner. “God so supernaturally directed the writers of Scripture that without waiving their human intelligence, their individuality, their literary style, their personal feelings, or any other human factor, God’s complete and coherent message to mankind was recorded with perfect accuracy in the original languages of Scripture, the very words bearing the authority of divine authorship.” That is the Biblical principle of verbal plenary inspiration. e. The spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher describes the animate authority in the royal family of God during this dispensation only. After the Rapture of the Church, there will never again be the function of the pastor(c)teacher on earth. B. Definition and Description. 1. Definition. a. Pastor(c)teacher is a spiritual gift provided by God the Holy Spirit at salvation for certain male believers only. It is found in all kinds of personalities. Do not try to associate the gift of pastor(c)teacher with a certain kind of a personality (sweetness, friendliness, kindness). b. In every generation of the Church Age, the Holy Spirit provides X(c)number of men who possess the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher. Out of that X(c)number, certain categories exist. (1) The male believer who never discovers that he possesses the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher. This is generally caused by ignorance of Bible doctrine, or malfunction in the perception of doctrine. For only through perception and metabolization of doctrine and resultant spiritual growth can any male believer become aware of the fact that he has the gift. This gift is not discovered emotionally, but rationally through the perception of doctrine. (While the emphasis of this study is on the pastor, most of the principles apply to the evangelism as well.) (2) The male believer who discovers he possesses the spiritual gift, but upon discovery he is distracted. (a) He can be distracted by romance or an early marriage. Once a man marries, he has other responsibilities, and he must consider someone besides himself. (b) He can be distracted by success in business or in another profession. Success is stimulating and difficult to walk away from in order to prepare for the ministry. Of all the professions in life, it takes more time and more energy to prepare for the ministry. © He can be distracted by having a family before he can prepare. It’s impossible to properly prepare for the ministry when you have a wife as well as children, with a few rare exceptions. In most cases, family obligation supersedes seminary attendance. However, God will honor the desire to prepare in those in such situations. (d) He can be distracted by other obligations which prohibit proper preparation, like parents, children, friends, debts, etc. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:04:31 PM (e) Preparation is everything. The ideal situation is to be a male and to be single.
(3) The male believer, who after discovering his spiritual gift, is in the position to prepare himself for the ministry and does so, but does not have the opportunity to use his gift. (a) The demand for Bible(c)teaching pastors diminishes in time of apostasy. Therefore, when fully(c)prepared pastors are not using their spiritual gift in some way, this category of men stand in condemnation of the apostate generation. God honors this category of men in other functions of life. God can bless in many ways, not only in business and profession, but also in his relationships in life with wife, family, and friends. (b) In generations of great positive volition, there are not enough prepared pastors to meet the demand. (4) The male believer, who after discovering his spiritual gift, prepares himself and eventually enters into some form of Christian service compatible with his gift. He can become the pastor in a local church, a teacher in a theological seminary or Bible school, a missionary, a teacher in a Christian or secular school, a teacher or administrator in a Christian service organization. (a) Obviously, there is more positive volition among believers in some generations, and less positive volition among believers in other generations. Therefore, not all the men who have the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher or evangelism will function under their communication gifts in a time of negative volition. (b) Nevertheless, a certain number of male believers in every generation will function under communication gifts as pastors of local churches, missionaries, professors, teachers, writers, or teach the Word through technology such as radio, television, audio and video tapes. © When positive volition reaches a low ebb, certain men with the communication gifts of pastor(c)teacher and evangelism will not function under their gifts. These men who have prepared themselves for the ministry are honored by God with special blessings related to their gift, even though they were denied by negative volition and apostasy from functioning under that gift. God honors their faithfulness in that way. 2. Description. a. The spiritual gift of pastor-teacher is the divinely(c)appointed vehicle for the communication of the mystery doctrine of the Church Age to every believer-priest. b. The gift of pastor(c)teacher is a spiritual gift sovereignly bestowed by the Holy Spirit at salvation totally apart from any human merit or ability. c. The gift provides the right for the pastor to go directly to the Canon and dig out divine policy himself, grow spiritually based on his personal study of the Word of God, and communicate doctrine in public after proper preparation. The royal family is, therefore, under the authority of their own right pastor to grow spiritually. d. All kinds of people receive the gift. All kinds of preparation exist. No person or personality should be stereotyped as that of a pastor. e. The pastor has the authority of an apostle, except that the pastor is limited to one local church. The gift is bestowed only on males. The pastor can abuse his authority by spiritual bullying or by not using his God(c)given authority. He is the final authority in the local church. God’s delegated authority is the pastor’s means of protecting the sheep. f. Only with spiritual growth comes the knowledge that one has this spiritual gift. 3. Further Definition of “Pastor(c)Teacher.” a. POIMEN or “pastor” means no one can teach Bible doctrine without the authority related to the spiritual gift. The “pastor” or “shepherd” had authority over the sheep and was generally smarter than the sheep. No one can teach without authority. The spiritual gift of pastor¦teacher carries authority with it, but the pastor must establish his authority through the teaching of the Word of God. In teaching Bible doctrine, the pastor has authority over the following categories. (1) His congregation. (2) Evangelists in his congregation who must learn in a non(c)face(c)to(c)face situation while on the go on the road and face(c)to(c)face while at home. All spiritual gifts must be fed by the pastor. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:05:17 PM (3) Pastors who are not prepared themselves must learn from a pastor(c)teacher who is prepared. If a pastor is not properly prepared for the ministry, then he must have a pastor(c)teacher feeding him spiritual food in a non(c)face(c)to(c)face situation.
(a) A pastor is not prepared for the ministry unless he has been academically trained in the following areas: the original languages of the Scripture (Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic), systematic theology, hermeneutics, and the historical background of the Old and New Testaments. A pastor without this academic training from a seminary is not qualified to interpret the Word of God independently; therefore, he must get help from another pastor or from books. (b) So every pastor without proper preparation is dependent upon some pastor who is prepared, or else he will make a fool of himself until the Lord takes him home under the sin unto death. God uses prepared men. Lack of preparation means that pastors must have their own right pastor. b. DIDASKALOS or “teacher” indicates his function. DIDASKALOS means to teach a group. One(c)on(c)one teaching or counseling inevitably becomes a system of legalism or bullying, whereby a pastor becomes arrogant, legalistic, and a self(c)righteous crusader rather than doing his job. (1) There are three times when people must grow up. (a) When they are born. (b) When they are born(c)again by learning God’s plan. © When they are married. (2) The Bible contains a great deal of information for each of these categories. (a) The laws of divine establishment, when followed, cause us to grow up as a human being, e.g., the authority and teaching of parents. (b) The mystery doctrine for the Church Age, when learned, cause us to grow up spiritually. © Many Biblical passages teach about marriage. (3) So the noun DIDASKALOS means teaching under two traditional principles: face-to-face teaching inside the local church and non-face-to-face teaching outside of the local church. Paul’s epistle to the Colossians was non-face-to-face teaching of those believers the apostle had never met. (4) Therefore, the noun DIDASKALOS is designed for the reception of Bible doctrine under the privacy of your royal priesthood. This is why believers gather in a group, in order to maintain their privacy in the reception of the Word of God. The principle of privacy can only exist in a group, never in a one(c)on(c)one situation, except in non-face-to-face teaching. (5) As a royal priest, every Church Age believer has the right to his own privacy. He has the right of making his own mistakes as well as his own successes. We are each responsible for making our own decisions. (6) The privacy of the priesthood in postsalvation epistemological rehabilitation is maintained in two ways. (a) In teaching to a group. (b) In non-face-to-face teaching. c. Only the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher has both authority from God and ability from the spiritual gift to provide the necessary doctrinal information for the execution of the protocol plan. d. While “pastor” emphasizes his authority in communication, “teacher” emphasizes his function. He is to study and teach, study and teach. e. No pastor can teach what he does not know himself. Therefore, no pastor can lead his congregation to spiritual adulthood without providing the basis for postsalvation epistemological rehabilitation, which means consistent perception, metabolization, and application of Bible doctrine. f. The responsibility of the pastor is to study and teach. 2 Tim 2:15, “Be diligent, be single-minded [in studying] to present yourself approved to God, as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the Word of Truth.” g. What the believer needs to understand is the protocol plan, the ten problem-solving devices, his portfolio of invisible assets, and to learn the mechanics for the execution of God’s will, plan, and purpose. This will result in the believer advancing to the three stages of spiritual adulthood. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:06:00 PM h. Therefore, the pastor must teach the truth of the Word of God, and not become involved in controversies or theological problems. The principle is that God honors truth; God honors His Word. Therefore, the power of God is in the Word of God. The positive statement of truth is far, far greater than all the apologetics in the world.
i. Pastors must never covet another man’s ministry. This is the blasphemy of rejecting God’s ministry designed for you. Never covet another man’s congregation. This is the arrogance of assuming that you are better than someone else. j. As a pastor becomes prepared and faithful in teaching the Bible, God will provide the hearers. The pastor need not pressure anyone to come. God will send those who need a pastor’s ministry to that pastor. If God doesn’t promote you, you’re not promoted. God only promotes prepared people. k. Most male believers with the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher are neither brilliant individuals nor original thinkers. As a pastor, you’re not even required to increase your I.Q., but you are required to be faithful in the principle of study and teach, study and teach. l. Faithfulness in the function of the spiritual gift is required. This is why pastors must be pluggers, studying a line or two a day. God uses faithful men, not ignoramuses or genuine geniuses with so-called “break-throughs.” What most pastors call “break-throughs” are ridiculous anyway, and show evidence of inordinate ambition and inordinate competition rather than being under the ministry of the Spirit. m. The pastor who is trying to reinvent the wheel is not prepared to function under the ICE preparation. That pastor needs his own right pastor to properly interpret and teach the Word. n. The pastor involved in the numbers game is envious and has lost his perspective. The size of a congregation does not in any way indicate success or failure. The only person who knows who is a success and who is a failure in the ministry is God himself. o. The pastor is not required to be the “best;” he is mandated to be faithful. C. Communication Gifts. 1. Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, while constitutional for the people of the United States; for the pastor it’s life, liberty, and the pursuit of truth of Bible doctrine. Therefore, the responsibility of the pastor is to study and teach. 2. Only two communication gifts are extant today: pastor-teacher and evangelist. a. Evangelism is a spiritual gift of communication designed for unbelievers. The evangelist has no authority in the local church; his function is outside the local church. b. The gift of pastor(c)teacher is designed for the communication of the mystery doctrine of the Church Age to those who are in the Church. c. The distribution of these two spiritual gifts to males only is the sovereign and grace decision of God the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation. d. God’s marvelous sense of humor is manifest in how He gives these spiritual gifts to all kinds of men, defying the casting director’s (most women’s) concepts of what such a man should be. e. The pastor represents the most visible delegated authority that God provides in the Church Age. Therefore, a pastor should not lie down and let people run all over him and dictate to him; such a man does not belong in the ministry. The minister is answerable only to God. f. Women can communicate and do so effectively because they are, by nature, great teachers. Most children learn more from women in the first years of their life than they ever do from men. g. There is a place for pastors in seminary teaching, Bible school teaching and writing. 3. The discovery that one has this spiritual gift is a matter of postsalvation epistemological rehabilitation, i.e., a matter of spiritual growth. Once you discover you have this gift, you need not dedicate yourself to “full(c)time Christian service;” God the Holy Spirit already did so by giving you that spiritual gift at the moment of your salvation. 4. Part of the challenge of the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher is found in Eph 3:9: “to make perspicuous what is the dispensation of the mystery which has been concealed from the ages by the God, the same One who created all things.” 5. This introduces the grace pattern of the spiritual gift. Don’t ever assume that the pastor is better than you are or more close to God. a. Ministers often think “This is my ministry.” All pastors at some time are guilty of calling it “mine,” when in reality it is God’s ministry. God’s ministry plus God’s power equals the communication of Bible doctrine. b. Therefore, the minister has no right to be discouraged or complain or malign others with the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher. One of the great problems in the ministry is that too many pastors spend their time maligning others, often in jealousy, or inordinate ambition or competition. Such modus operandi indicates lack of spiritual self(c)esteem plus lack of awareness that the ministry belongs to God and not to the individual communicating Bible doctrine. c. In our generation at present, there are many men with the gift of pastor(c)teacher who will never function as such, but God will bless them in other functions of life, and they will stand in judgment against the believers of this generation for their negative volition toward Bible doctrine. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:06:54 PM d. Today, men are graduating from seminary with no vacant pulpit and no opportunity anywhere. Some men have gone to the mission field where great opportunity exists today. Others have gone into other facets of Christian service. But many men with the spiritual gift will never function. But God honors the fact that they prepared themselves and fulfilled His will, and God will bless them in professions, businesses, and in other functions of life. The gift of pastor(c)teacher is not in demand at the present time because we are in a state of apostasy among believers.
6. So the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher is the function of God’s grace policy to male believers and can only be fulfilled through the omnipotence of the Holy Spirit, which means life in the divine dynasphere. 7. Since it is God’s ministry and not ours, God requires faithfulness on the part of the pastor, not compliance with human success standards. 8. That’s why in Mt 25:21, the Lord said, “Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful in a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the happiness of your Lord.” Note that this is a future reward and blessing, and the basis for it is faithfulness in studying and in teaching. Many pastors will be ruling in the Millennium in a resurrection body, not because they had a big congregation or because they met the success standards of Madison Avenue, but because they were faithful in the function of the ministry. 9. Communication gifts are provided at salvation totally apart from human merit, human talent, or personality traits. a. Even before one can do anything spiritually, his gift is provided. b. Those with the talent of public speaking or dealing with people may only have a talent; it is not necessarily a communication gift. c. God has a sense of humor; don’t ever try to second guess Him and outline an ideal personality profile for a pastor. For God has given the spiritual gift to all kinds of males. 10. The moment we are born again, all of us have a spiritual gift. Different spiritual gifts are like different members on a team, and every member is important. In fact, a pastor(c)teacher cannot function without others functioning in their spiritual gift, both visibly and invisibly. There’s no such thing as an unimportant gift. No pastor can function without the entire team backing him up. 11. Awareness of one’s spiritual gift requires consistent residence in your very own palace, the operational-type divine dynasphere, the place of the filling of the Spirit and momentum in the Christian life. 12. The believer with the communication gift will have arrogance problems apart from his own spiritual growth and orientation to the grace of God. Arrogance is always the #1 problem for us all, and it includes jealousy, bitterness, implacability, hatred, self-pity, guilt reaction, vanity, lies, maligning others, seeking “break-throughs” instead of teaching line upon line, trying to build a big empire and call it a church, etc. D. Preparation for the Ministry. 1. Having the gift of pastor(c)teacher requires the greatest preparation of any function in life. 2. Awareness of the spiritual gift must involve both formal and disciplinary training for the function of the spiritual gift because of the principle that God uses prepared men. 3. Awareness of the spiritual gift does not require a so-called formal dedication to full-time Christian service. We are members of the body of Christ, male and female, and we are all in full-time Christian service. 4. What separates the pastor from all other forms of Christian service is first awareness of his spiritual gift, and secondly preparation. 5. There are four categories of preparation to be considered with regard to the spiritual gift of pastor-teacher. a. The disciplinary and responsibility preparation. To function as a pastor, one must have a strong sense of responsibility. He must have a stronger sense of self(c)discipline for the function of studying and teaching and writing. The gift of pastor-teacher demands that its recipient be a lifetime student of the Word of God. Self(c)discipline can be acquired in numerous ways, such as playing on athletic teams with a strict coach, military service, or studying under a strict academic curriculum. b. The practical preparation can include many things such as military service, working under a tough boss or in some well-organized business. It includes anything that gives one an understanding of the importance of proper authority. Its result must be self-discipline and authority orientation, plus the proper organization of one’s life and one’s time, which demands right priorities in life. c. The local church preparation. Prior to seminary, the believer must be faithful in some local church in his function, service, and attendance at Bible class. If the believer finds his right pastor, he should then enter the seminary with a good doctrinal foundation as a basis for his studies. Then he will be better motivated than most seminary students. By its very nature, seminary must be very tough academically. Therefore, good motivation must exist to work hard in learning the original languages and systematic theology, especially if you have no predilection for it. Faithfulness in the perception of doctrine is as far as some believers go in their preparation, which means they must be dependent upon good Bible teaching from a source outside of themselves. This is a hard road to take, because all too often lack of study of systematic and Biblical theology means lack of discernment. d. The academic preparation. With few exceptions, no one is prepared for the pulpit without proper academic training. This means that the believer with the gift of pastor(c)teacher should go as far as he can academically. This includes not only high school and college, but also theological seminary and other graduate schools. (1) To introduce a practical factor, academic preparation should be accomplished, wherever possible, in the state of single bliss. It is very difficult to go through seminary with a wife and/or children. (2) Undergraduate work should include, if possible, Greek, Hebrew, Latin, speech, psychology, and philosophy. (3) Seminary training should provide the tools with which to dig into the Bible for the rest of one’s life. That means being a very good student of Hebrew, Greek, systematic theology, Biblical theology, church history, missions, etc. Practical experience should not be emphasized at this time, for one will receive practical training for the rest of his life in the ministry. There is no substitute for the academic training. (4) Many seminaries have a certain number of required courses which are tantamount to nonsense in preparation, but are excellent for the practice of poise and self(c)discipline, whereby you master a subject even though it is not even pertinent to becoming a pastor-teacher. (5) The seminary that the individual attends Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:07:56 PM (5) The seminary that the individual attends must be orthodox in its doctrine and include the languages and systematic theology. If a young man with the gift of pastor(c)teacher enters a seminary that disagrees with his position on certain points, he should not argue with the professor unless invited (and be wary), and he should not try to take over the class or contribute in any way to the breakdown of academic discipline.
(6) If one enters a seminary where the rules seem silly or legalistic, he must comply with those rules. You should never argue with a school’s policy. You do not make your own rules and do not break the school’s rules. This is a part of academic discipline. You must accept the policy and academic discipline of the school you enter. (7) Never enter a seminary with the preconceived idea as to what phase of the ministry you will eventually enter. Keep an open mind. Prepare yourself first, and then the Lord will lead you to becoming a pastor, missionary, Bible school teacher, seminary professor, evangelist, or a writer. 6. The spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher is given to a certain number of male believers only. It is God the Holy Spirit’s sovereign decision, not a matter of human volition or dedication. 7. Through spiritual growth and momentum in the protocol plan of God, the believer becomes aware of his spiritual gift and so makes decisions related to preparation for the ministry. 8. Preparation for the ministry includes: a. Awareness of the spiritual gift through momentum. b. Undergraduate training in a college or university. c. Military service or some other practical experience where the authority is especially unfair and the discipline is strict. d. Theological seminary. e. Sometimes a brief business or professional career. f. Ordination by a local church. g. Entrance into a field of service compatible with one’s spiritual gift and preparation, e.g., the pastorate, mission field, evangelism, teaching in a Bible school or seminary, becoming a writer (a more permanent field of communication than verbalizing doctrine). E. What the Pastor Is and Is Not. 1. The purpose of the gift of pastor(c)teacher is to lead the believer to spiritual maturity, to execute the protocol plan of God through faithful and consistent Bible teaching. 2. Pastors are definitely not a group of spiritual giants or supermen. They are the beneficiaries of God’s grace, just as all other believers. 3. The gift and power of the communication of Bible doctrine is the provision of the grace of God. 4. Do not look to the pastor for a scintillating presentation; that goes with the gift of evangelism. A good evangelist will have twenty(c)five good messages. A good pastor(c)teacher will have anywhere from 10,000 to 25,000 messages. 5. Therefore, an evangelist is often very spectacular in his message, in contrast to the pastor(c)teacher who often seems to be mediocre and even boring. This is because the pastor is faithful in teaching line upon line, precept upon precept, which means he must communicate many things that may not be of any interest to you at the moment. It is his responsibility to teach the whole realm of Bible doctrine. 6. Too many people are so involved in their own problems that they are not interested in learning about something totally unrelated to their own problems. But a pastor cannot cater to your problems. He must develop a baseline for everything in your life. 7. While every believer is in full(c)time Christian service, the ministry of the pastor(c)teacher is the basis for the most important function, i.e., postsalvation epistemological rehabilitation. That means the cognition of both doctrine and the mechanics for the execution of the protocol plan of God, resulting in the manufacture of the invisible hero in this great power experiment of the Church Age. 8. There is no believer who is “better than” another according to the Word of God. The pastor has a sin nature just like those in the congregation. The pastor is the recipient of God’s policy of grace just like all believers in the congregation who come under God’s grace policy. 9. The greatest enemy of the pastor is the arrogance complex of cosmic one. It not only includes numerous personal sins, but also such distractions to the ministry as self(c)righteous arrogance or crusader arrogance which includes Christian activism, civil disobedience, iconoclastic arrogance, and the subjectivity of emotional arrogance. 10. The second greatest enemy for the pastor is the temptation to use human power or ability or talent rather than the dynamics of divine power available in the omnipotence of all three members of the Trinity. F. Divine Power versus Human Power in the Ministry. 1. Divine power does not coexist with human arrogance or human power. Human arrogance is the energy of human power. Divine power can only coexist with the believer inside the divine dynasphere where he has the utilization of the omnipotence of the Holy Spirit. 2. Even before he can teach it to his congregation, the pastor himself must learn to utilize the omnipotence of God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 3. God uses and promotes prepared men. A part of that preparation is humility, both enforced humility learned the hard way and genuine humility from spiritual growth. If God doesn’t promote you, you are not promoted. 4. So many pastors have misplaced authority problems. First, they have authority arrogance, the authority of human power, the “Pope Syndrome.” Divine power must never be confused with human authority. Such pastors demand face-to-face teaching for all believers in their geographical area. 5. Yet from the beginning of the Church Age, there was a tremendous amount of non-face-to-face teaching, illustrated by the epistles of the New Testament. They were written to churches out of sight of the apostle or pastor, in addition of a number of other non-canonical epistles. Paul preached to at least a dozen churches through writing, the only technology for that time. 6. Because God uses prepared men, non-face-to-face teaching has existed throughout the Church Age, beginning with Paul who wrote numerous sermons in letter form apart from the canonical epistles. 7. The real issue in face-to-face teaching is for the pastor to dig up his own congregation through evangelism and personal contact. Churches are always started through evangelism. 8. Pastors today have a tremendous tendency toward arrogance because they are not studying daily. 9. No ministry can be effective apart from enforced and genuine humility. The importance of the humility factor cannot be overstressed in the ministry. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:08:46 PM 10. In the history of the Church Age, there have been very few original thinkers. Most ministers should realize immediately that they are not original thinkers.
11. The minister should ask himself: “Who am I following?” Most ministers have a tendency to plagiarize, and to follow someone who impresses them. Just look at the books on the pastor’s desk, and that’s who he is following. Often they follow people who are inaccurate doctrinally, but they have no way of knowing that without knowing the original languages themselves. a. If you’re following the wrong person as a pastor, you’re following false teaching. Add to that arrogance, and it’s a situation that cannot really be corrected apart from the Lord’s intervention in throwing him out of the ministry. b. Of course, there are a number of liberal pastors who continue to function not under the authority of the Lord, but under the authority of some denomination, or under the people who accept their false doctrine. 12. Every pastor must constantly ask himself the question: “Is my ministry based on human power or divine power?” Divine power does not coexist with human power. The pastor should also ask himself: “Is my ministry one of inordinate ambition? Am I competing with someone else? Or is it a faithful function motivated by personal love for God and occupation with the person of Christ?” 13. Pastors who are always complaining about Christians who are leaving their congregation and being attracted to another pastor need to stop whining and get out and do their own evangelizing, and they need to study. God actually sends people to prepared pastors. 14. These pastors always complain about tolerance for liberals, but they arrogantly compete. For example, many do not understand dispensational theology, but they use it as a source of competition rather than a source of understanding. 15. Dispensational theology is the only theology that answers the question: “After salvation — what?” Therefore, it is necessary to understand dispensational theology is the only theology of the power of God. a. But because so many pastors are anti-dispensational, they have no way of hooking up with the power of God. Therefore, they function on human power. b. Only dispensation theology can explain the protocol plan of God in terms of execution and the manufacture of invisible heroes. 16. It is extremely important that pastors and congregations remember the importance of grace. Grace always begins at the cross. We start in grace; we must continue in grace. Very few people understand grace because very few pastors understand it, for they are always making an issue out of sins that shock them, or are crusading for something. 17. Face-to-face teaching versus non-face-to-face teaching is a false issue. The real issue is the power of God presented through the teaching of the Word of God, whatever the medium: written ministry, tapes, radio, T.V. The main point is: however you get your doctrine, be consistent! Find whomever is your right pastor and stay with him. Believers grow through perception and metabolization of Bible doctrine, not through a system of face-to-face teaching nor through a system of non-face-to-face teaching. 18. The true issue for the pastor-teacher is the communication of the will, plan, and purpose of God to believers, whether that communication occurs in face-to-face teaching, a written ministry, tapes, radio, television, or whatever. 19. In grace-to-face teaching, you hear your own pastor. In face-to-grace teaching, you hear others who are qualified in special fields. This means there is nothing wrong with hearing another pastor’s tapes on certain subjects not yet covered by your pastor. 20. Authority belongs to the power of God. The authority does not belong to the pastor. The pastor gets his authority through having a spiritual gift. The pastor’s authority comes from God by being delegated, and can be removed as rapidly as it was given! Authority in a congregation is based upon the pastor teaching Bible doctrine. Only as the pastor teaches Bible doctrine does he possess any power related to God and to His protocol plan. a. Congregations are benefitted by divine power in doctrine. They are not benefitted by human power. Many pastors have great personalities, are dynamic speakers, and inspirational, but this is not the source of benefit. b. Divine power is located in Bible teaching. It’s the Word of God that is alive and powerful. c. The only reason that any pastor can ever be a blessing to you by the communication of the protocol plan of God is because he is the beneficiary of divine power. 21. How does the pastor dig things out of the Word? God the Holy Spirit is the key. The pastor must organize his life and determine to use his life properly, which means to constantly study day and night. But it doesn’t come just because he studies; it’s because of the ministry of the Spirit. No one can ever succeed in communicating the protocol plan of God for the Church Age apart from the ministry of the Spirit. 22. The minister needs divine power or he could never communicate the absolute doctrines of the Word of God, especially the mystery doctrines of the Church Age. Therefore, the following statement from Paul, the greatest believer who ever lived, although it applies to the ministry, can also apply to all of us. Ephesians 3:7, “through which Gospel I have become a minister according to the gift of the grace of God which was given to me on the basis of the function of His divine power.” Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:09:38 PM G. Biblical Terms for the Pastor.
1. Eph 4:11 uses two words from which we get our term “pastor¦teacher.” POIMEN means a shepherd, and denotes the pastor’s authority over a specific congregation, which is developed through faithful and consistent Bible teaching. a. This category of the pastor’s authority cannot exist apart from positive volition plus genuine humility, objectivity, and teachability on the part of the congregation. b. No minister of the Gospel can fulfill his primary mission of teaching the mystery doctrine of the Church Age apart from several factors. (1) The possession of the spiritual gift. (2) The proper preparation. B.B. Warfield said every man who goes into the ministry should have twenty years preparation for every year he serves in the ministry. There are many ways of preparing. Military service teaches one the concept of authority, and a pastor must be authority-oriented; for he is under the authority of God, and when he gets out of line, he gets double discipline where others only get single discipline. Therefore, the importance of his recognition of the invisible authority of God and the invisible authority of the Word of God. Therefore, he must be accurate in the teaching of the Word of God. (3) Recognition of his spiritual gift. (4) Intensive training is designed so the pastor can use the original languages and dig out things for himself daily. Therefore, the pastor must spend the majority of his time in studying and teaching the Word of God. c. There are seven areas of sheep helplessness. (1) A sheep cannot guide himself. A cat or a dog can be blindfolded and still find his way home. But a sheep has no sense of direction and is totally dependent upon the shepherd. A sheep can get lost in his own pasture or meadow. By analogy, the pastor guides through the teaching of the Word of God on a verse-by-verse, line upon line principle. (2) A sheep cannot cleanse himself. A dog or a cat can lick himself or roll in the grass. But sheep remain filthy unless cleaned up by the shepherd. By analogy, the pastor must teach believers the rebound technique, which is how they recover fellowship with God and recover the filling of the Spirit. (3) A sheep is a defenseless animal. Most animals have some form of defense, e.g., tooth, claw, speed, or camouflage. But the only protection the sheep has is the shepherd. By analogy, the pastor protects the sheep through the teaching of the mystery doctrine of the Church Age categorically. He presents to you your very own portfolio of invisible assets; he explains the protocol plan of God and how it is executed. He teaches the problem(c)solving devices and the significance of suffering, both in the realm of discipline and blessing. Through the communication of the mystery doctrine of the Church Age, the protocol plan of God is executed. In any congregation, some believers become invisible heroes and not only glorify God, but are the basis for the preservation of the client nation. (4) A sheep is helpless when injured. A dog or cat can lick his wounds, and the saliva is therapeutic and expressive of his love for another who is wounded. But the sheep is dependent upon the shepherd to care for his wounds. By analogy, when we as believers are “injured” and suffering for one reason or another, we are dependent upon the pastor to communicate pertinent information. The pastor communicates the grace policy and grace mechanics to the sheep so that they can recover through the use of the problem-solving devices of the protocol plan, e.g., rebound, faith-rest drill, personal love for God the Father, impersonal love for all mankind, or whatever is necessary. (5) The sheep cannot find food or water for himself. Most animals can smell or detect water and find their own food. But a sheep must depend upon the shepherd for food and water. By analogy, the pastor communicates the mystery doctrine of the Church Age which is not only food for spiritual momentum, but the water of logistical grace for life support while the believer lives on earth. (6) A sheep is easily frightened or panicked. In the time in which the Bible was written, the shepherd would calm the sheep by the use of his voice or with music. By analogy, faithful Bible teaching by the pastor prepares the sheep for any and every emergency or disaster in life. Fear, worry, and anxiety are removed as one learns the principles of Bible doctrine and how to deal with them. (a) The more things in which you surrender to fear, the more things you fear. (b) To the extent that you surrender to fear, you increase the power of fear in your life. © The more things that acquire the power of fear in your life, the greater your capacity for fear, worry, and anxiety, so that eventually you become a loser without learning the pertinent Bible doctrine from whomever is your right pastor. (d) As a loser, fear destroys your capacity for life, love, and happiness. Add arrogance to this, and you have the profile of a loser. (e) Arrogance produces irrationality, self(c)deception, loss of personality identity, being divorced from reality, and mental illness. (f) God has designed the protocol plan for winners. But the plan depends upon accurate communication of doctrine from whomever is your right pastor(c)teacher. (g) The loser does not lose his salvation, but he has the wrong priorities in life, and spends his time in punitive suffering, including self(c)induced misery and the three categories of divine discipline. (h) Arrogance, fear, panic, worry, anxiety, or irrational emotionalism are contradictions to the perfect plan of God, and are characteristic of the sheep who reject their shepherd. (7) The sheep produces wool as a result of the care of the shepherd. By analogy, as a result of faithful and consistent Bible teaching on the part of the pastor, the believers produce the equivalent of wool, which is glorification of God through the execution of the protocol plan, through the distribution of escrow blessings for time, as a witness for the Prosecution in the rebuttal phase of Satan’s appeal trial, and through the impact of the invisible hero. d. The second word in Eph 4:11 is DIDASKALOS, a noun used for one person teaching a group of people. The authority resides in the teacher while the congregation assembles to learn doctrine as students under authority. There is no effective teaching of the Word of God apart from authority. If you have the gift of pastor(c)teacher and you are arrogant, then the Lord will not use you. The man with this gift must be single-minded; the man must be humble; Bible doctrine must be more important than anything in life; he must go out of his way not to compromise doctrine. e. The conjunction KAI is a coordinate conjunction, coordinating two nouns instead of subordinating them. So the correct translation is “pastor-teacher.” This is technically known as an hendiadys, in which two nouns are joined by a conjunction to express one idea. This is also the use of the Grandville(c)Sharp rule, in which a single definite article governs both nouns connected by the conjunction KAI, meaning that both nouns are talking about the same thing. f. The public assembly of believers in the local church or its equivalent provides the classroom for postsalvation epistemological rehabilitation. The primary objective of such assembly is to learn. But learning, to be effective, must be accompanied by wisdom. Wisdom is the application of what you learn to life. Many believers get so far ahead in their learning that they fail to apply it to their living, and so a problem arises. g. Every believer assembles under the privacy of his own priesthood, which allows him objectivity and gives him the opportunity of srealizing that everything taught comes from the Spirit, rather than being a direct attack upon him. The teaching is personal to him as an individual and he doesn’t have to think anyone is talking about him. h. In personal application, the believer applies doctrine under the privacy of his own priesthood. In public application, the believer becomes the victim of gossip, maligning, and judging, and therefore does not grow spiritually because he is victimized. No one in the congregation has the right to apply doctrine or legalism to you. While the teaching is public, the application of doctrine must be private and self-imposed rather than the result of some form of spiritual bullying. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:10:33 PM i. Under the royal priesthood, every believer must have privacy for objectivity in reception of doctrine and privacy in application, determining himself whether or not to live his own life as unto the Lord.
j. The purpose of the local church is spiritual, not social; it is to learn doctrine, not to invade your privacy. When the spiritual is fulfilled, the social falls right in line and becomes something that is wonderful. Making friends or fellowship in the congregation is optional and should follow rather than precede the principle of spiritual self-esteem, which is occupation with the person of Christ. Christian fellowship is a legitimate function which is most effective when believers have attained spiritual adulthood. Until spiritual adulthood is attained, the believer should have breathing space to be positive or negative, to succeed or fail, to be a winner or a loser on the basis of hearing Bible doctrine. 2. EPISKOPOS means guardian of the flock, overseer, supervisor, superintendent, and policy maker. It should never be translated “bishop” as in the King James Version. That term is stupid and gives rise to an ecclesiastical system never authorized by the Word of God. It is found in Phil 1:1; 1 Tim 3:1-2; Tit 1:7; 1 Pet 2:25, 5:2. a. Through faithful communication of the mystery doctrine pertaining to the great power experiment of the Church Age, the pastor becomes the guardian of the congregation in the sense that he is the chief policy maker for the local church. His policy making is based upon his teaching of the Word of God. b. EPISKOPOS means patron, protector. In fifth century B.C. Athens, it meant a state official. It means rulership, authority, and establishing authority through doctrine, through truth. c. Therefore, a pastor’s function is to establish a policy based on grace. Exceptions to this involve any in the congregation who destroy the privacy of others through gossip, maligning, judging, or somehow intruding socially upon others. In these cases, the pastor must function as a guardian to protect your privacy in relationship to the local church. d. The pastor-teacher must delegate authority to those who are inculcated with Bible doctrine, those who have followed spostsalvation epistemological rehabilitation, those who have grace orientation, and those who have the spiritual gift that qualifies them for the board of deacons. 3. DIAKONOS means minister, servant, or waiter. The translation is minister; the transliteration is deacon. 1 Cor 3:5; Eph 3:7; Col 1:7, 23, 4:7; 1 Thes 3:2; 1 Tim 1:12; Heb 6:10; Acts 6:4. a. This Greek noun was originally used for those who waited on tables and served food. It means a servant in the sense of spiritual power. A good translation is “minister” when it applies to the pastor(c)teacher. b. This should not be confused with DIAKONIA, translated deacon, referring to those who administer in the local church. 4. PRESBUTEROS means “the old man” in the sense of being in the highest authority, commander, commanding officer, elder; it refers to the authority of the pastor. 1 Tim 5:17,19; Tit 1:5; James 5:14, 1:5; 1 Pet 5:1; 2 Jn 1; 3 Jn 1. a. Every local church has only one commander. There’s no such thing as plurality of elders. b. In Acts 20:28, Paul told pastors: “Be on guard for yourselves and for the flock, among whom the Holy Spirit has made you guardian [EPISKOPOS] to shepherd [POIMAINO] the church of God which He purchased with his own blood.” 5. KERUXZ means a herald of the king, one who announces the policy of the king. 6. KERUSSO means to proclaim the plan and policy of the king. When the king is absent, the herald carries the authority of the king. H. The pastor is the product of God’s grace. 1. Eph 3:7(c)8, “Through which Gospel I have become a minister according to the gift of the grace of God which was given to me on the basis of the function of His divine power. To me, the very least of all saints, this grace has been given to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches [wealth] of Christ.” 2. 1 Tim 1:12(c)14, “I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has poured the power into me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into the ministry. Even though I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, a violent aggressor, yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly and in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was more abundant with the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus.” a. The fact that Christ has “poured the power into me” means this gift isn’t something you develop on your own. No man is deserving of the gift of pastor(c)teacher. b. A part of the preparation for the utilization of the spiritual gift is faithfulness. God uses those men who are faithful. 3. It takes God’s omnipotence to get a pastor to the pastorate and stay there regardless of how bad things become. 1 Tim 1:12-16 says the only thing that God can use in the pastor is His faithfulness in studying and teaching. This is motivated by His personal love for the Lord Jesus Christ. I. The Pastor’s Authority. 1. Just because the pastor is a product of grace, this does not mean he has no authority and should be kicked around by others. 2. Heb 13:7, “Remember those who rule over you, who communicate the Word from God to you; carefully consider the issue of their way of life; imitate their doctrine.” a. You “remember” pastors by attending Bible class, by praying for them, and by understanding that they have an abnormal life. b. The issue of a pastor’s way of life is their Bible doctrine not their way of life. Are they faithful in studying and teaching the Word? 3. Heb 13:17, “Keep obeying those [pastors] who themselves are ruling over you, and submit to their authority, for they keep watch over your souls, as those who will render an account. Keep obeying them, in order that they may do this [accounting] with happiness and not with groaning, for this is unprofitable for you.” a. Pastors don’t rule over you in the sense of telling you what to do, but in the sense of teaching you what God expects from you and how to execute His plan. b. You submit to the pastors’ authority in listening to their communication of doctrine. 4. Isa 54:17, “`No weapon that is formed against you will prosper, and every tongue that rises against you in judgment, you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their vindication is from Me,’ declares the Lord.” This is the pastor’s wall of fire from the grace of God. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:11:26 PM 5. The pastor’s authority is established on the basis of the teaching of Bible doctrine. Hence, the issue is not the man but the message.
6. Since the pastor’s authority is Bible teaching, his ministry does not violate the privacy of the individual priesthood. Therefore, under the mandate of 1 Pet 5:2, the pastor fulfills his responsibility. a. 1 Pet 5:2, “Feed the flock of God among you, not from compulsion, but voluntarily according to the will of God.” b. 2 Tim 4:2, “Preach the Word. Be ready in season and out of season. Reprove, rebuke, exhort [when warranted by context], and do this with all patience and teaching.” c. 1 Tim 4:10, “For because of this [communication of doctrine], we work hard to the point of exhaustion, and we hang in there tough because we have confidence in the living God who is the Savior of all men.” J. Principles of Interpretation. 1. The true object of speech is the impartation of thought. Pastors must speak or teach. 2. Language is a reliable medium of communication, designed to accurately express thought to be communicated. Therefore, the pastor should live in both the Word of God and in the dictionary. Slang won’t cut it. You must have a good vocabulary. In fact, Koine Greek was so limited that Paul invented words! 3. Usage determines the meaning of words. The function of words in Scripture depends on their association with other words. 4. The true object of interpretation is to apprehend the exact thought of the writer. One cannot interpret without understanding what he interprets. Therefore, there is no substitute for a masterful understanding of the original languages of Scripture. Because the only way to fulfill this hermeneutical principle is to do it from the grammar and syntax of the original language. 5. Truth must accord with truth. A statement of truth, which is apparently discrepant, can be harmonized only when all the facts are known. Often what appears to be a discrepancy is merely lack of information. 6. An assertion of truth includes that which is essentially exposed, and no more. 7. One cannot interpret without understanding what he interprets. K. Faithfulness is required of the pastor. 1. There is no standard personality for the gift or function of pastor(c)teacher. 2. The only standard requisite is that every pastor, regardless of his personal popularity, speaking ability, the size of his congregation, or any other factor related to human viewpoint achievement, must be found faithful in teaching the Word. 3. Note that Paul found Epaphras, a pastor at Colossae, to be a “faithful minister.” Col 1:7, “Just as you have learned from Epaphras, our beloved fellow servant, who is a faithful minister of Christ on our behalf.” a. Paul recognizes Epaphras as a “minister of Christ,” and therefore an orthodox pastor-teacher, not a false teacher. b. Note that Paul recognizes that Epaphras represents the entire ministry as he teaches at Colossae. 4. God does not require the minister to be eloquent, personable, sensational, or in any way famous by human standards of public relations. God requires faithfulness. There is no substitute for faithfulness in the ministry. 5. God’s praise to the pastor is related to his faithfulness. Matt 25:21, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant. You have been faithful in a few things; I will make you ruler over many things.” 6. The profile of the pastor is grace, consistency in teaching, and faithfulness. L. Paul’s Advice to the Pastor. 1. 2 Tim 2:23(c)26, “Avoid foolish and stupid speculations, knowing that they give birth to controversies. The servant of the Lord [pastor(c)teacher] must not be quarrelsome, but kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged; with humility exercising disciplinary action toward those who are in opposition, so that perhaps God may give them a change of mental attitude, resulting in epignosis knowledge of doctrine, and come to their senses, and escape from the snare of the devil [cosmic involvement], having been held captive by him to do his will.” a. The pastor is not to create controversies, but to communicate doctrine. b. To be “patient when wronged” means pastors must avoid defending themselves against all sorts of gossip, maligning, and judging. Self(c)vindication is no vindication. The pastor’s job is to teach, teach, teach, and carry on. He functions under the principle that if God doesn’t promote you, you’re not promoted. He concentrates on teaching the Word of God and communicating. c. The pastor must have humility and be free from arrogance. This includes recognizing that it is not his ministry, but the Lord’s ministry. (1) Because of arrogance in the ministry, very little doctrine is being taught today. (2) Pastors today do not understand Christocentric dispensations. Lack of cognition of them means lack of communication of things that are important. d. Cosmic involvement is the tragedy of too many believers today, and explains our shrinking pivot. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:12:16 PM M. The Purpose of the Pastor(c)Teacher.
1. The purpose of the pastor(c)teacher is covered from two viewpoints in the New Testament. a. The objective mandate related to the three(c)fold purpose of the pastor(c)teacher is given in Eph 4:12, “for the purpose of equipping the saints for the accomplishment [work, production, occupation] of [Christian] service, for the edification of the body of Christ;” (1) Christian service is the result of spiritual momentum, not the means of spiritual growth. No one grows because they are in Christian service; they grow by spiritual momentum from the spiritual life. (2) There are four categories of Christian service. (a) Christian service related to your spiritual gift. (b) Christian service related to the royal priesthood. © Christian service related to your royal ambassadorship. (d) Christian service related to becoming an invisible hero. (3) The result is the edification of the body of Christ, i.e., the editifcation complex of the soul with its seven floors: (a) The first floor is the foundation(c)(c)salvation through faith alone in Christ alone. (b) The second floor is dispensational orientation. © The third floor is learning and using problem solving devices. (d) The fourth floor is spiritual self(c)esteem, which is where we become aware our spiritual gift or begin using it. This is the status of cognitive self(c)confidence. (e) The fifth floor is spiritual autonomy, which is cognitive independence. (f) The sixth floor is spiritual marturity, which is cognitive invincibility. (g) The seventh floor is the winner believer, the invisible hero, the one who glorifies God. This is the execution of the unique spiritual life of the Church Age. b. The subjective mandate related to the communication of the mystery doctrine for the Church Age is given in 2 Tim 2:15, “Be diligent [study] to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the Word of God.” (1) The pastor must be so prepared that he is ready to analyze the Scriptures from the original languages. (2) There are too many mistranslations and other problems that there is no way you can read your Bible and come up with a correct interpretation all the time. In fact, forty to fifty percent of the New Testament is so badly translated that many erroneous concepts have come from it. (3) Therefore, it is the objective of the pastor(c)teacher not only to know the original languages, but to use them daily. This is a preparation without which it is impossible for a pastor(c)teacher to determine the accurate translation and interpretation of any passage. Pastors without this training are dependent upon other pastors who are so trained. (4) Handling accurately the Word of God is the function of the pastor as he communicates the truth. It is the primary responsibility of the gift of pastor(c)teacher to study and teach, study and teach. This requires exceptional preparation for accurately handling the Word of God. 2. The pastor has secondary responsibilities related to administration of the local church, and a limited amount of counseling. a. However, generally counseling is tantamount to putting band¦aids on problems, and is no substitute for the daily inculcation and practice of the ten problem(c)solving devices related to the protocol plan of God for the Church. By the use of these problem(c)solving devices, the believer is able to handle all of his own problems under the privacy of his own priesthood. b. Counseling is analogous to the believer walking on crutches. The sooner the believer throws away his spiritual crutches, the sooner he can advance to spiritual adulthood. 3. The objective of the ministry is threefold. a. To evangelize along with those who have the gift of evangelism and those in the congregation who witness. b. The primary purpose is to communicate the mystery doctrine of the Church Age and the protocol plan of God. This answers the question, “After salvation, what?” c. To oversee the administrative function of a local church, not by doing any administration himself, but through the appointment of deacons who have administrative gifts. The pastor must ensure that the motivation of the deacons is compatible with the mandates of the Word of God. 4. Principles of the Ministry. a. The pastor cannot teach what he does not know. Therefore, to study and teach is the primary function of the ministry. The pastor’s life is abnormal, and cannot be compared with the lives of other believers. b. The pastor must avoid being diverted into Christian activism, or being distracted by involving himself in theological controversy. He only has time to communicate the truth; he doesn’t have time to argue with others. c. The pastor must recognize the separation of church and state. Therefore, he must avoid using his pulpit as a political platform. To use the status quo of his country for illustration is legitimate. But in the interest of the separation of church and state, this can only be used as illustrative matter. The pastor does not take public political stands, nor does he permit politics to become an issue inside the local church. You are to learn doctrine, and from that doctrine acquire wisdom to guide you in how you vote and how you live. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:13:14 PM d. The pastor must discourage crusader arrogance, including social engineering, so-called “Christian activism,” civil disobedience, the destruction of property, terrorism, etc.
e. The power of the ministry is in the communication of the Word of God, not in activism, theological controversy, or publicizing false doctrine; but in teaching the true mystery doctrine of the Church Age. f. There is so much truth to be taught that there is no time for the pastor to be sidetracked by false issues and false doctrines. g. The pastor has a sin nature like everyone else, and he is not necessarily better than anyone else in his congregation. Therefore, there must be the avoidance of role model arrogance, as well as unrealistic expectations. The pastor has no right to set himself up as a role model; his job is to communicate truth. It’s very clear from 1 Jn 1:8 and 10 that no one is perfect; all sin. h. Role model arrogance combines with unrealistic expectations. (1) Role model arrogance plus unrealistic expectation combine to form serious problems related to arrogance. (a) The problem of a double standard, in which individuals justify their own sins and failures while condemning these sins and failures in others. (b) The problem of self(c)righteousness inevitably results in crusader arrogance, by which self is promoted through judging, slandering, and maligning others. In the arrogance of legalism, people condemn the sins of others. By focusing on the sins of others, they ignore the fact of their own sins and failures. (2) Role model arrogance plus unrealistic expectation combines to create a double standard in life. (a) For example, a news reporter can fornicate, but a politician cannot. A layman can commit adultery, but a minister cannot. (b) This arrogance permeates society so that society becomes weak, not living on principle. (3) No one is perfect, including ministers, evangelists, and politicians. With Bible doctrine as the #1 priority in life, you can master the ten problem(c)solving devices and break out of this terrible pattern. (4) Role model arrogance plus unrealistic expectation establishes false standards and develops a system of relative mores. These relative mores hinder the execution of the protocol plan of God. Today, born(c)again believers are simply people functioning under a system of mores which have nothing to do with God’s plan, will, and purpose for their lives. i. Role model arrogance and unrealistic expectations destroy the focus of the Christian way of life, and they make three substitutions. (1) Eyes on self is the double standard of self-justification and rationalization of one’s own sins while condemning the sins of others. Self(c)righteousness is one of the most awful sins of subjective arrogance, and can lead to mental illness. (2) Eyes on people results in legalism, gossip, slander, maligning, and is another manifestation of self-righteous arrogance. (3) Eyes on things, in which a believer’s arrogant frustrations causes him to resent others and the things that other people possess. Arrogant frustration results from seeing the wicked prosper while ignoring one’s own portfolio of invisible assets. Whether the wicked prosper is not an issue to you. The issue facing you is: are you growing in grace? Are you using the problem(c)solving devices? j. Without an understanding of the original languages, the pastor is not qualified to interpret and therefore teach the Word. Instead, the pastor is dependent on others who are students of the original languages. Such dependence makes that pastor a member of another man’s congregation. k. Most seminary students are not qualified to interpret the Word of God because of their ignorance of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. l. God uses prepared men. Lack of preparedness means the pastor must depend upon another pastor who is prepared. Therefore, unprepared pastors must have their own right pastor. 5. Who needs a pastor(c)teacher? a. An unprepared pastor must have his own right pastor-teacher to feed him, so that he in turn can feed his own congregation. b. The evangelist, both face-to-face when home in his own local church, and non-face-to-face teaching when on the road. c. All Christians, the royal family in general. N. Face-to-face versus Non-face-to-face Teaching. 1. Because God uses prepared men, non-face-to-face Bible teaching has come down to us from the beginning of the Church Age. 2. There are two traditional means of communicating the mystery doctrine of the Church Age that have existed since the first century. a. Face-to-face teaching in the local church. b. Non-face-to-face teaching outside the local church. 3. It is difficult for any pastor who suffers from arrogance and self¦importance to swallow the fact that non-face-to-face teaching is just as legitimate as face-to-face teaching. 4. There are some problems with face-to-face teaching. a. There is the problem of concentration. b. Privacy must exist. There must not be a one-on-one situation. Privacy is necessary so that you can receive the teaching of the Word of God as from the ministry of the Holy Spirit. c. The distraction of Christian fellowship results in people emphasis taking precedence over God emphasis. This is a very serious problem in churches. d. The pastor’s authority is often an issue. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:14:01 PM 5. Non-face-to-face teaching has its own problems.
a. There is the problem of making Bible doctrine a matter of convenience, rather than a matter of meeting a schedule. b. There is the problem of making Bible doctrine #1 priority and being consistent. You must have the self-discipline and organized life to be consistent. c. There is the problem of concentration and academic discipline. d. There is the problem of authority as well. 6. The tradition for non-face-to-face teaching goes back to the first century and the early church. a. Epaphras was the founder and pastor of a local church at Colossae, according to Col 1:7 and 4:12. However according to Phile 23, Epaphras was serving with Paul in Rome during Paul’s first imprisonment. This resulted in Paul ministering to the Colossian Church through non-face-to-face written messages during Ephaphras’ absence. The epistle to the Colossians is only one of a series of messages sent to them by Paul. b. Epaphroditus may or may not have been the pastor at Philippi, but when he carried the Philippian epistle from Paul to that group of believers, he carried a series of non(c)face(c)to(c)face messages. c. While the apostle John was teaching face(c)to(c)face in Ephesus, he was at the same time teaching at least two other groups in a non(c)face¦to(c)face manner. One such group was centered around an elect lady in 2 John; another group was centered around a man named Gaius in 3 John. Both these groups were probably in the Lycus Valley. d. When John was banished to the Island of Patmos by Nero, he penned the book of Revelation, which is a series of non(c)face(c)to(c)face messages delivered to seven churches on a regular basis; i.e., to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea. 7. Face(c)to(c)face versus non(c)face(c)to(c)face teaching is really a false issue. The real issue is the presentation of the mystery doctrine of the Church Age so that believers can execute the will, plan, and purpose of God. However, this false issue is made an issue in the following cases. a. The case of subjective arrogance includes both inordinate ambition and inordinate competition among the clergy. b. Where a pastor covets another man’s ministry or his apparent success, he will be critical of that man’s non(c)face(c)to(c)face teaching. You should never covet another man’s ministry; this is the blasphemy of rejecting God’s ministry for yourself. c. Where a pastor covets another man’s congregation, he makes a false issue out of non(c)face(c)to(c)face teaching. No pastor should ever covet another man’s congregation; this is the arrogance of assuming that you are better than someone else. Every pastor is given and assigned his own congregation by God, and he should never desire to go beyond the limits of what God has provided for him. If he does, he always gets into trouble. 8. Face(c)to(c)face teaching is the ideal way for the communication of the Word of God. But for several reasons, many persons can never be exposed to face(c)to(c)face teaching. a. They are handicapped, or they cannot assemble with others due to such things as illness. b. They have no doctrinal teaching in their peripheries. c. They have been battered and bruised by church programs, by church fellowship syndromes, by legalistic bullying, by gossip and maligning, by slander and hatred, and other by(c)products of the so(c)called Christian fellowship system. d. Therefore, such people have the right and privilege of non¦face(c)to(c)face teaching. 9. So God uses prepared men with the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher. God may use such prepared men in two ways. a. Teaching a congregation face(c)to(c)face in the classroom of a local church. b. Teaching non(c)face(c)to(c)face to others whose only hope of executing the protocol plan and glorifying God is from categorical teaching heard in a non(c)face(c)to(c)face manner. 10. In times of deviation from the mystery doctrine of the Church Age, and in times of apostasy among believers, non(c)face(c)to(c)face teaching is often the major thrust toward the execution of the protocol plan of God and the perpetuation of a pivot in the client nation. 11. The primary functions of doctrinal communication continues to be face(c)to(c)face teaching, where a group of believers have assembled in the local church under the ministry of a pastor. The pastor communicates Bible doctrine to a group of believers who, under the privacy of their royal priesthood, concentrate on that teaching and fulfill the principle of operation Z. 12. It is very important to remember that authority resides in the Word of God, not in the means of communication and not in the teaching of doctrine as such. a. Authority belongs to God, and is only delegated to the pastor who is faithful in teaching the Word, or to the evangelist who is faithful in accurate communication of the Gospel. b. Congregations are benefitted by divine power, not by human dynamics. Congregations are benefitted by Bible teaching, not by false teaching. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:14:58 PM O. God’s Provision of a Pastor for each Congregation.
1. Eph 4:16, “Because of whom [Jesus Christ], the entire body, being joined together [baptism of the Spirit], and being inculcated [repetitious teaching of the mystery doctrine] by every joint of supply [pastor(c)teacher] on the basis of the operational power [omnipotence of Trinity], in measure, one [pastor(c)teacher] for each part [segment of believers].” 2. Every congregation or group of believers in a geographical area has been supplied with a pastor(c)teacher under the provision of logistical grace. This pastor may be present or absent, but he is the communicating authority regarding the mystery doctrine of the Church Age. 3. There are two ways to receive Bible doctrine from a pastor¦teacher. a. Face(c)to(c)face teaching in the classroom of a local church. b. Audio or video communication through mechanical means, comparable to the written epistles of the pre(c)canon period of the Church. 4. Every Church Age believer under logistical grace has his own right pastor to satisfy his need and desire for Bible doctrine. 5. Wherever positive volition exists, God provides a communicator under one of the two categories noted above. 6. First, there is a demand for the mystery doctrine of the Church Age. That demand depends on two factors. a. The number of congregations or body of Christ groups in any given generation. b. The percentage of positive volition among believers in that same generation. Many generations has many believers, but few are positive. In other generations, there are fewer believers but a larger percentage are positive. It is the positive volition that counts. 7. The result of God’s provision of communicators is the manufacture of invisible heroes through consistent perception, metabolization, and application of Bible doctrine. 8. In times of apostasy, the demand for pastors is minimal. God honors and blesses those male believers who have the gift of pastor¦teacher, but do not have the opportunity of exercising that spiritual gift. a. God provides pastor(c)teachers to cover the entire group of believers in any generation. But if few believers in a certain generation are positive, then the demand for pastor(c)teachers will be minimal, so that only a few men with the gift will actually function under their gift. b. What happens to those men with the gift who are unable to function under it? (1) They serve as a condemnation of that generation before the Judgment Seat of Christ. (2) God provides for them special blessing because though they had the gift, the gift was not usable. c. An excess of pastors without a ministry in an apostate generation will serve as the basis for the condemnation of that apostate generation at the Judgment Seat of Christ after the Rapture of the Church. (This principle is derived from the fact that our Lord told us that the positive generation of Ninevah will rise up to condemn the negative generation of the dispensation of the Hypostatic Union. Therefore, there is historical judgment by analogy.) d. All positive volition in a given generation will be honored by the logistical grace provision of a pastor(c)teacher to satisfy the desire of believers to know the will, purpose, and plan of God. e. No positive believer is ever left without the opportunity of hearing the mystery doctrine of the Church Age, utilizing their portfolio of invisible assets, divine power, and the ten problem(c)solving devices. This information is available in every generation. f. Every segment of positive volition will have a prepared pastor to satisfy their need and longing to understand God and His plan, purpose, and will. P. The Function of the Pastor. 1. Eph 4:16b says “he himself [pastor] causes growth in the body.” 2. The function of the pastor is to teach, to inculcate the mystery doctrine of the Church Age. This is the means by which the royal family of God not only orients to this dispensation, but is caused to grow and attain spiritual maturity. In spiritual maturity, invisible heroes are manufactured and God is glorified. 3. The pastor cannot teach what he does not know. Therefore, the pastor must know the following concepts. a. Precedence for the Church Age is taken from the dispensation of the Hypostatic Union, not from the Mosaic Law, and not from the dispensation of Israel. No pastor will be able to properly communicate the Word of God until he understands from where our precedence comes. b. The believer must understand his portfolio of invisible assets. The pastor cannot fulfill his function unless he understands that portfolio and teaches it. c. The unique divine provision for the Church Age must be understood by the pastor. Unless the pastor understands the unique features of the Church Age, he will not be able to cause growth in the body. The unique features of the Church Age include the following. (1) The baptism of the Spirit, plus the resultant creation of the new spiritual species and the formation of the royal family of God. (2) The unique availability of divine power. (3) The indwelling of each member of the Trinity. (4) The universal priesthood of every believer. (5) The royal ambassadorship of every believer. (6) The only dispensation that is determined by historical trends rather than eschatology. d. The protocol plan of God and how it is executed inside the operational(c)type divine dynasphere must be understood by pastors. Pastors must understand mechanics. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:15:58 PM e. Every pastor should understand the problem(c)solving devices for the Church Age, i.e., rebound, the filling of the Spirit, the faith(c)rest drill, grace orientation, doctrinal orientation, personal love for God the Father, impersonal love for all mankind, +H or sharing the happiness of God, a personal sense of destiny, and occupation with the person of Christ.
f. The pastor must understand the concept of spiritual momentum attained through suffering for blessing. (1) Spiritual self(c)esteem plus providential preventative suffering equals spiritual autonomy. (2) Spiritual autonomy plus momentum testing equals spiritual maturity. (3) Spiritual maturity plus evidence testing equals glorification of God to the maximum in the great power experiment of the Church Age. g. The spiritual impact of the invisible hero must be understood by the pastor in its five categories of personal, national, international, angelic, and heritage impact. 4. The pastor(c)teacher causes spiritual growth in one way only, and that is by communication, not by illustration or being an example. Every pastor has a sin nature and will fail. No one grows by seeing the example of the wonderful life of a pastor; there must be communication of doctrine. That’s the key to the spiritual gift. a. There is no spiritual growth or momentum in the Christian life through program churches, Christian fellowship, or Christian service. b. The only means of spiritual growth is the perception, metabolization, and application of the mystery doctrine of the Church Age. c. No believer advances in the Christian life through any form of works, or by following the example of some pastor, or by sacrifice, service, or interaction with other believers. d. Spiritual advance can only occur through postsalvation epistemological rehabilitation. Q. What happens to the men to whom God the Holy Spirit gives the gift of pastor(c)teacher? 1. Some male believers never recognize that they have the gift, for it can only be identified by spiritual growth, and they have none. 2. Some male believers recognize the gift, but negative volition toward doctrine ends any use of that spiritual gift. 3. Other male believers recognize the gift, but are never properly prepared to use it. They rush into a pulpit without seminary training or even human maturity. These pastors are a drag, troublemakers, legalistic, full of inordinate ambition and inordinate competition, and they teach false doctrine, beginning with spirituality. 4. Other male believers identify their spiritual gift as that of pastor¦teacher, and they begin a somewhat lengthy and often very painful function of preparation, to include military service, undergraduate work, and graduate work in theological seminaries and universities. a. What about those who discover they have the gift after they already have a family and job? It’s too late for them to go to seminary. However, God will still honor their discovery of their gift. b. All too many men deprive their families and wives by attending seminary. Once a man marries, he has a responsibility to his family. The man who does not care for his family is worse than an unbeliever, the Bible says. So once you have a family, you cannot stop and prepare academically. c. There are a few exceptions to this, but never where children are involved! To attend seminary while starving your family is not honoring to the Lord! d. Therefore, anyone who even suspects he has the gift ought to remain single and not marry until his preparation is complete if possible. If not, it may work if his wife works while they are still childless. e. The point is that once you begin preparation, that will be the key to your ministry. Remember that God uses prepared men, not unprepared men. It took Moses forty years to prepare for his job; it took Joseph fourteen years. God always uses prepared men, not unprepared men. 5. Of those male believers who are properly prepared, some never find pulpits in which they can communicate and express their spiritual gift. 6. Therefore, lack of placement is no reflection on the prepared person, but on the apostasy of that generation. Nevertheless, God honors their preparation and blesses them in the other activities of their life. a. Often, in times of great national disaster, as in a war, God uses these men to step in the gap. It usually takes a war or great national disaster before an apostate generation to wake up. Once they do, there is a tremendous demand for prepared persons to teach the Bible. b. Therefore, a prepared man with the gift should wait somewhere where he can continue his preparation under accurate Bible teaching. 7. Those prepared men without placement in pulpits will act as condemnation on that generation at the Judgment Seat of Christ. 8. Other male believers with the gift of pastor(c)teacher and proper preparation are placed in pulpits, and they cause spiritual growth through faithful teaching of the mystery doctrine of the Church Age and the mechanics of the protocol plan. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:16:50 PM R. The Profile of the Pastor Amplified.
1. God uses prepared men with the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher. Such prepared men become a major issue in whether a client nation survives or not. Such prepared men also determine the quality of missionaries in the mission field. 2. The spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher is a matter of God’s grace. The function of the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher is always a grace factor. Just as you are the beneficiary of God’s grace, so is the pastor. Remember that while the pastor has a spiritual gift whose authority resides in his communication of Bible doctrine, he is basically just another person like you are, and he is grace(c)out just as you are daily. 3. If God doesn’t promote you, you’re not promoted. If God doesn’t promote a pastor(c)teacher, he is not promoted. 4. God promotes under two conditions: the man is prepared, and the man is faithful in studying and teaching. 5. The Gospel ministry is a matter of God’s grace, more grace, and much more grace. No pastor earns or deserves the privilege and opportunity of communicating Bible doctrine. 6. God does require faithfulness. Faithfulness demands that the pastor(c)teacher become, above all things, a plugger. 7. Therefore, there are four rules related to the ministry. a. God uses prepared men. b. God uses faithful men. c. God uses doctrinal men. d. God uses mature men. 8. In finding God’s billet for the communication gifts, the gift of pastor(c)teacher functions under the three P’s a. Preparation is a continual function. b. Patience is a very important teaching aid. c. Perseverance refers to teaching accurately and consistently, and repeating again and again and again. The objective of inculcation demands lots of repetition. 9. Scripture documents these principles. a. Matt 25:21, “Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful in a few things; I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the happiness of your Lord.” God demands faithfulness from the pastor. He doesn’t have to be scintillating or some super personality. He must be faithful in studying and teaching and communicating Bible doctrine. It is far better to be a plugger than to be a scintillating rising and falling star. b. 2 Tim 4:2, “Preach the Word. Be ready in season and out of season. Therefore, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all patience and instruction.” c. Eph 4:13(c)16, “Until we all attain the objective because of the system from doctrine and by means of the epignosis knowledge from the Son of God, resulting in a mature believer to the measure of the maturity of the fullness of Christ, in order that we no longer be childish and driven out of control by every wind of false teaching..., but by teaching doctrine associated with virtue(c)love, that we may cause them to grow up with reference to the all things with reference to Him who is the head, even Christ, because of Whom the entire body being joined together in one body and being inculcated by every joint of supply [the function of the spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher] on the basis of the operational power in measure of one pastor(c)teacher for each part [the congregation], resulting in its edification by means of virtue(c)love.” (1) Some believers are thinkers and some believers are doers. Every pastor must be a thinker and motivate his congregation to become doers. To become a thinker the pastor must become a student of the word of God. (2) The pastor can motivate doers in two ways: the wrong way and the right way. The wrong way is motivation through the personality of the pastor. The right way is motivation through the faithful teaching of the word of God. (3) The spiritual leadership of pastor or missionary must be based on the power of the word of God, not on the dynamics of personality. We cannot follow a personality; we can only follow the doctrine. (4) “The objective” is spiritual maturity, the PLEROMA status (“the fullness of Christ”) of the invisible hero. (5) The “system from doctrine” is postsalvation epistemological rehabilitation(c)(c)perception, metabolization, and application of New Testament Bible doctrine. (6) “The all things” refers to the unique characteristics of the Church Age, the protocol plan of God for the Church Age, the unique spiritual life of the Church Age, the manufacture of invisible heroes, the glorification of God as the tactical victory of the Church Age. (7) The spiritual gift of pastor(c)teacher is not only the means of inculcation of the mystery doctrine of the Church Age, but the vital link in perception, metabolization, and application of doctrine as the only means of spiritual growth and glorification of God. Therefore, the pastor(c)teacher in this analogy is the “joint.” Therefore, the congregation is no stronger than the pastor. d. “He who does not go forward goes backward.” A pastor can only stand in one place and teach. People will come and go. Their interest will rise and fall. People will have different concepts about what is important in their life. The pastor can only stand in one place and be faithful in teaching. God handles the people who come or don’t come; that is not the concern of the pastor. e. 2 Tim 2:15, “Be diligent; study to present yourself approved to God, a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the Word of Truth.” It takes years of study to handle accurately the Word of Truth. 10. Therefore, the issue is not face(c)to(c)face teaching versus non(c)face¦to(c)face teaching, but the accurate communication of the mystery doctrine of the Church Age, including the protocol plan, our portfolio of invisible assets, the ten problem(c)solving devices, and all the details necessary for the manufacture of invisible heroes. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:17:33 PM S. The Problem of Christian Fellowship.
1. The problem of Christian fellowship originates from the trend to emphasize relationship with people over relationship with God. Therefore, people emphasis takes precedence over God emphasis. 2. Interaction with people becomes the criterion of the Christian way of life instead of the execution of the protocol plan and the glorification of God. 3. It’s not that Christian fellowship is wrong, but it is overemphasized so that today believers are not growing spiritually. Therefore, the emphasis on Christian fellowship is producing losers. 4. Christian Fellowship Principles. a. Christian fellowship is never a substitute for fellowship with God. b. Christian fellowship is never a substitute for learning Bible doctrine. c. The execution of the protocol plan and subsequent glorification of God only occurs through the consistent perception, metabolization, and application of Bible doctrine. You should be able to distinguish between learning doctrine and Christian fellowship. d. Execution of the protocol plan and subsequent glorification of God does not occur through Christian fellowship. e. God always provides a right pastor for positive volition. f. No one is everyone’s right pastor. 5. There are two problems related to the myth of Christian fellowship. a. The problem of unrealistic expectation. b. The problem of role model arrogance. (See point 18.) 6. Unrealistic expectation is defined by people not being loved the way the want to be loved or treated the way they want to be treated. As a result, they develop an interposing frustration which destroys interaction in human relationship. 7. Unrealistic expectation becomes the motivation for at least three things. a. Unrealistic expectation becomes the basis for selecting a local church that emphasizes fellowship, young people’s programs, etc. b. Church hopping results as people continue to seek being treated and loved the way they want. In the demand syndrome, they demand that you love them though they are obnoxious. c. They demand attention from a pastor or a group. This demand syndrome from arrogance means any interaction with people will be disastrous. 8. Unrealistic expectation is a problem in every human relationship, including marriage, friendship, romance, and Christian fellowship. 9. Role model is defined as the proper or customary function of a person. Society and people in general have assigned certain customary functions to certain activities in life. This includes such people as politicians, ministers, evangelists, husbands, wives, teachers, public servants, police officers, pastors, etc. 10. When anyone departs from the role model, he becomes the object of public reaction. Hence, he is condemned, judged, criticized, and maligned. 11. Individuals and society in general like to see everything in its proper place and resent any deviation or lapse. 12. Therefore, society in its arrogance has developed a double standard: one standard for the role model, and one standard for self. In this double standard, the individual excuses himself for his own sins, flaws, and failures, but he condemns the role model for these same sins, flaws, and failures. He is shocked because he is so arrogant that he doesn’t consider that he too sins. 13. Therefore, role model arrogance manufactures hypocrites and legalists, those who gossip, criticize, slander, and malign their victims. 14. Role model arrogance imposes impossible standards on others, ignoring the point of doctrine that everyone has an old sin nature and uses it, including pastors, evangelists, politicians, police officers, etc. 15. Role model arrogance manufactures hypocrisy in the clergy and legalism in the congregation. 16. The combination of unrealistic expectation and role model arrogance intensifies the problem of both the execution of the protocol plan and the problem of Christian fellowship. The intensification is two(c)fold. a. The function of the double standard by which people justify self and condemn others. b. The practice of legalism which distorts Bible doctrine in general, and Christian fellowship specifically. 17. You cannot change people. a. You cannot change people to conform to your standards and expectations. Such an attempt only makes you miserable. (The exception is in the training of children.) b. You cannot make a role model out of some person without becoming disappointed. Such disappointment will destroy you due to your subjective arrogance. The only true role model we should have is the one we develop in spiritual adulthood in our occupation with Jesus Christ. c. All believers, including pastors and evangelists, are under one standard. Furthermore, all believers continue to possess the old sin nature and continue to sin after salvation and throughout the Christian life. God forgives one person’s sins just as quickly as He forgives another person’s sins, when the rebound technique is used. d. You cannot change other people; you can only change yourself. This is done by the consistent perception, metabolization, and application of Bible doctrine. Only by changing yourself can you avoid unrealistic expectation and role model arrogance. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:18:27 PM e. You cannot change yourself through Christian fellowship, but only through perception of Bible doctrine. Your relationship with God is the major issue. When that is straight, then your relationships with people will fall into line.
f. Changing yourself is a matter of consistent postsalvation epistemological rehabilitation, from which comes the consistent use of the ten problem(c)solving devices of the protocol plan of God. There is no problem too great for these devices. The most dramatic change in the life of any believer occurs when he is using all ten of these problem(c)solving devices. g. It is a combination of self(c)righteous arrogance plus crusader arrogance which seeks to change people by imposing on them a double standard. Therefore, frustration comes to the person involved in unrealistic expectation combined with role model arrogance. This combination always creates monsters, too many of which are believers. 18. Relationship with God must precede relationship with people. Christian fellowship is secondary to perception of doctrine. Christian fellowship is never a substitute for fellowship with God or for learning Bible doctrine. Christian fellowship is not the source of spiritual growth or momentum 19. Christian fellowship has seven great disadvantages. a. It establishes wrong priorities in the Christian life through the influence of confused believers. b. It is a distraction from Bible doctrine through preoccupation with romance or friendship. c. It is the acquisition of legalism through association with legalistic and arrogant believers. d. It involves anti(c)nomianism, therefore association with promiscuous believers, which is also distracting. e. Using Christian fellowship as a dating bureau or a marriage pool is a distraction from growing in grace. f. Christian fellowship often results in acquiring erroneous views of doctrine, or the ridicule of doctrine in a group of Christian believers. g. Christian fellowship uses people as a crutch rather than learning and using the ten problem(c)solving devices of the Christian way of life. 20. Christian fellowship does have some advantages. a. Lifetime friendships develop among positive believers while they’re growing in grace. b. Encouragement from conversations among believers of like faith and practice. c. Avoiding the outside problems of peer pressure when your fellowship is with relaxed believers. T. Volition determines the pastor’s function. 1. The gift of pastor(c)teacher is designed to communicate the protocol plan of God in this Church Age, specifically, the whole realm of Bible doctrine. This is accomplished through the ICE principles; i.e., isagogics, categories, and exegesis. Learning under the ICE principle of communication is the only way believers can be edified enough to avoid these pitfalls. 2. Certain generations in the Church Age will be apostate. In these generations, men with the gift of pastor(c)teacher may even prepare thoroughly, but find no pulpit; and evangelists will not be heard. 3. Nevertheless, the existence of these spiritual gifts unplaced and unheard stand as a condemnation to that generation of apostasy. In such cases, God blesses the gift of pastor(c)teacher and evangelism in other ways. That means such men will find success in other areas of life. 4. In normal generations where positive volition exists, there are many outlets and many opportunities for the communication gifts: pastor¦teacher, missionary, evangelism, administration and teaching in Christian schools, or a written ministry. U. The minister must communicate the mystery doctrine. 1. The emphasis of the ministry is related to grace. Eph 3:8(c)9, “To me, the very least of all saints, this grace has been given to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, and to make known to all what is the dispensation of the mystery which has been concealed from ages [theocentric dispensations] in the God who created all things.” a. Jesus Christ is the creator; the mystery doctrine was concealed in Jesus Christ until the dispensation of the Hypostatic Union. b. The concealment of the mystery doctrine relates to the royal family of God in the Church Age only. This doctrine was not revealed until Christ received His third royal patent at the right hand of the Father. 2. Three categories of communication are important in presenting this mystery doctrine. a. Momentum. There is no momentum in the spiritual life without the function of the pastor(c)teacher communicating specifically the mystery doctrine of the Church Age. b. Mechanics. To understand the mechanics of how we live and how we advance and how we glorify God is extremely important. c. Maturity. When we advance to spiritual maturity, we become invisible heroes. 3. The primary responsibility of the gift of pastor(c)teacher is to study and teach, study and teach. 4. All believers are dependent upon whomever is their right pastor for information about the mystery doctrine of the Church Age. From him they learn how to execute the protocol plan of God, how to become an invisible hero, how to glorify God, and how to meet the problems of life. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:19:16 PM V. Problems of Ministers.
1. Many of the frustrations and complaints of ministers are related to lack of spiritual self(c)esteem. This means they have failed to attain spiritual adulthood. 2. There are three categories of spiritual adulthood. a. Spiritual self(c)esteem is characterized by cognitive self¦confidence. b. Spiritual autonomy is characterized by cognitive independence. c. Spiritual maturity is characterized by cognitive invincibility. 3. Each stage of spiritual adulthood provides a category of suffering for blessing for the purpose of advancing one’s spiritual growth. a. Providential preventative suffering provides fantastic areas of suffering for blessing to the one in spiritual self(c)esteem. b. Momentum testing is provided for spiritual autonomy to advance to spiritual maturity. c. Evidence testing is provided for spiritual maturity for the maximum glorification of God. 4. Too many pastors feel threatened and are consumed with inordinate ambition. They are willing to do anything to gather more people. 5. Some pastors suffer from the malady of the papal syndrome, which combines arrogance with power lust, resulting in ecclesiastical dictatorship instead of being teachers of the Word of God. 6. Some pastors have no congregation because they have violated a principle related to their spiritual gift. God uses prepared men. 7. Some pastors are dissatisfied with small congregations and lack of numbers. This gives them an inferiority complex which is nothing more or less than arrogance. A large number of small congregations well taught has a far greater impact than a few large congregations poorly taught. W. The Common Sense Approach to the Pastor; How to Understand Your Pastor. 1. The more you know about the mystery doctrine of the Church Age and what it says about the pastor, as in our passage Eph 3:7-13 and 4:11-16, the better your attitude will be toward Bible doctrine and the greater your function in postsalvation epistemological rehabilitation. a. In other words, without cognition of Bible doctrine, you cannot understand your pastor! You cannot understand what he’s doing or why he’s doing it; why he gets tough and hard-nosed; why he spends time explaining technical things which are boring to you, but very important. 2. The pastor is a male believer who has been graced out by a communication gift. More than anyone else, the pastor is the beneficiary of God’s grace. 3. The pastor is neither to be worshipped nor despised. He is really to be given a hearing as a teacher of the Word of God. You cannot understand unless you listen to the content and profit from it. 4. It should be noted that pastors come in all sizes, shapes, and descriptions, as well as multifarious personalities. 5. You have the option as a believer of accepting or rejecting the Bible teaching of a pastor. But God has not given you the right to malign or judge the pastor. 6. The pastor is no better or no worse than anyone else at his particular stage of spiritual growth. 7. The appearance or the personality of the pastor is not the issue. His authority is related to the content of his message; the Bible teaching. When you tamper with the ministry of a pastor, you invite the wrath of God on your life; not because the pastor is any better than you are, but because his spiritual gift is from God. 8. Any pastor’s ministry belongs to God. Therefore, God deals with his failures through the administration of double discipline. 9. If for some reason you discover that your pastor is not teaching Bible doctrine and you now realize that he should be, do not criticize him, even though he may be wrong in every possible way. Do not compare him with other Bible teachers, and don’t make trouble for him. It is not your responsibility. If you are led to leave his ministry, do so without making a fuss and without judging him. 10. However, be sure of two things before you change pastors. a. Be sure that the fault does not lie with you or some arrogant flaw in you which has produced antagonism. b. Do not criticize, malign, or judge any pastor whose ministry you have rejected. You really can’t afford it because the double discipline that was going to him is transferred to you. It isn’t worth it. You postpone God’s direct dealing with that pastor. Furthermore, this is the only way some pastors will ever receive blessing. For when God transfers their discipline to you for interfering (by your judging or maligning), He also increases logistical grace blessing to that pastor, even if he’s wrong. Remember logistical grace doesn’t work on the basis of your merit; it’s all based on the justice of God imputing to God’s perfect righteousness in both winners and losers. Many pastors are losers and they get a lot of blessing when others malign them and don’t let the Lord deal with them. 11. Every pastor is responsible to God, even if he has a hierarchy in a denomination over him. It is God who will deal with him. 12. Good doctrinal teaching brings out the best and worst in any congregation. For the mystery doctrine of the Church Age produces either response and spiritual growth or reaction and cosmic involvement. 13. There is no standard pastoral personality. To benefit from the ministry of any pastor, remember the simple principle: it’s not the man but the message. Therefore, avoid personality conflict with the pastor, for it is his doctrinal message that produces your spiritual momentum, not his personality. 14. The more a pastor grows spiritually, the more his congregation will be divided between positive and negative volition. 15. No pastor can teach what he does not know himself. 16. To be a faithful teacher, the pastor must have motivational virtue from personal love for God, not motivation from the approbation of the congregation. 17. The pastor must deal with his congregation professionally through impersonal love. He must never feel threatened by peer pressure. No pastor should ever regard numbers as anything. It is no disgrace to have a small congregation. 18. A pastor has no right to interfere with the privacy of the believer’s priesthood and tell them they cannot listen to another pastor. 19. God has called pastors to faithful teaching. This is the life of the pastor. It does not include counselling. The pastor is responsible to protect those being maligned or judged by others. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:20:02 PM 20. There is no such thing as a “plurality of elders.” There is one church and one officer at the top who runs the organization. But he is not to be a tyrant. He delegates authority and policy making authority to the deacons. It is not a dictatorship. In certain matters of administration, e.g., finances, the deacons are responsible to the congregation because they represent the congregation.
21. The pastor should never handle money or property matters of the church. 22. See the Doctrine of Role Model Arrogance. X. The Function of the Pastor, Eph 4:20-21. “But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus.” 1. The pastor establishes his authority by teaching. He must have the proper spiritual gift, otherwise he cannot get the meaning out of the original language. 2. He must have the proper preparation: academic discipline, self(c) discipline, moral courage, academic honesty, and good study habits. 3. The royal family must have privacy to learn; therefore, the necessity of monologue in a group. The function of the believer’s soul is to learn. Every pastor teaches within the framework of his own personality. He is a super(c)student of the Word. 4. Personal time with members of the congregation is an infringement upon their privacy. Y. Biblical Documentation for the Pastor, Eph 3:7-13, 4:11-13; Col 1:23-29; 2 Tim 2:24-26; 1 Tim 3:1-9; Tit 1:6-9. Z. The Reward of the Pastor. 1. 1 Pet 5:4, “When the Chief Shepherd [Christ] appears [Rapture], you [faithful pastors] will receive the unfading crown of glory.” 2. Phil 4:1 personalizes this concept, “Therefore, my brethren, loved ones [congregation who is respected for their faithfulness], deeply desired ones, my happiness and my crown, keep on being stabilized [winners of the crow of righteousness].” 3. 1 Thes 2:19-20, “For who is our hope or happiness or crown of boasting [glory]? Is it not you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming? [At the Judgment Seat of Christ, those who have attained spiritual maturity are the crown of glory for the pastor.] “For you are our glory and our happiness.” 4. Heb 6:10, “God is not unjust to disregard your occupation and the virtue(c)love which you have demonstrated toward His person [occupation with Christ], because you have ministered to the saints and you keep on ministering to them.” 5. No pastor’s ministry can be evaluated until the Judgment Seat of Christ. The basis for this reward is his faithfulness in studying and teaching Bible doctrine. 6. The pastor’s boasting or crown of glory is received because certain members of his congregation do two things by listening to his teaching of the Word. a. They reach spiritual self-esteem. b. They take the victory step to spiritual maturity, where they can receive their escrow blessings to glorify God to the maximum. 7. So the happiness of the pastor comes from the positive response of those faithful to the teaching of the Word of God. The pastor’s happiness is different from that of anyone else. 8. Protocol believers are the basis for the pastor receiving the crown of glory. AA. Motivation of the Pastor-Teacher. 1. The pastor must be motivated by personal love for God. If you are motivated by love of people, you’ll never make it. That motivation may be good for other professions, but not for the ministry. The reason is because it’s very discouraging to watch people fall asleep or advance so slowly. So the pastor must be motivated by his love for Jesus Christ. 2. Today, most pastors are motivated by ambition and arrogance. Being a minister and doing it right is most difficult. So it requires the greatest love of the Lord; not emotional love, but personal love for God from knowledge of Bible doctrine. This doesn’t make the pastor better than anyone. But of everyone else, he must be the most saturated with Bible doctrine. BB. Four Approaches or Four Laws of Logic. 1. Law of Identity or Affirmation. Everything is identical with itself, or is what it is. Therefore, we may affirm this of it. This is consistent with affirmative thinking, with which the Bible begins: “God is.” 2. Law of Contradiction or Negation. Everything is not what it is not, and we may affirm this of it. The Bible never confuses opposites. Law and grace are antithetical and always will be. So we learn to rightly divide the Word of Truth under this law. 3. Law of Excluded Middle. Of two contradictions, one must be true; the other false. If one is affirmed, the other is denied. 4. Law of Sufficient Reason. All continuous thought must be rationally connected. Therefore, you are to infer nothing without a ground or reason. The starting point in continuous thinking is the affirmation of some knowledge by which the mind is necessitated to affirm or posit. Logical reason must be followed by logical consequences. And the relationship between them is the logical connection consequence. This involves relationship between cause and effect, whole and part. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:20:56 PM CC. More on Preparation. (4/25/76 Phil 2)
1. Preparation begins at the point of salvation, when the individual male believer receives from God the Holy Spirit the gift of pastor(c)teacher. The gift is given to male believers only. This is not in any way a slight to women, but an honor. As a responder, she cannot possibly be in accord with the principles related to authority for the gift of pastor(c)teacher 2. First there must be a cognizance of the resident gift to that male believer, sometime after salvation. Obviously, if he is ever going to prepare for the function of that gift, he must become aware of it. Such cognizance comes through the spiritual growth of the one with the gift. It takes doctrine for this awareness to occur. Constant positive volition toward doctrine and the daily function of GAP produces that initial spiritual growth which brings awareness of the gift. 3. Once awareness takes place, some very definite and specific preparation is called for. Every male who thinks he has the gift ought to consider: his age, his academic discipline potential, his predilection for languages, his family size, etc. The gift of pastor(c)teacher is not of any use to the person who has it, or to anyone else, without its proper exploitation, which means long preparation. The exploitation of the gift is to actually have a congregation, and to be teaching them from your own personal diligent preparation. 4. So special preparation means to get into a situation where you get treated unjustly and unfairly; and where you are under abusive strict discipline and are able to stick it out. If you do not have a mean cruel boss, you can get this from the military. This is necessary for the inculcation of discipline. And there is no proper exploitation of the gift without this. This special preparation doesn’t refer to academic discipline, but to tough, hard(c)nosed, strict discipline, which you must stay under long enough until it becomes a way of life. Tragically there are very few opportunities for such discipline. Therefore the military is the best place to receive this preparation. 5. Every pastor(c)teacher is regulated from above by the Lord Jesus Christ. This means that he must be self-regulating with regard to his study habits. This doesn’t just occur overnight, but requires special preparation. (Of course there are exceptions, but this is the general rule.) Large amounts of humiliation is healthy in the preparation of a pastor, and is the only way certain forms of discipline are inculcated. Above all people, the pastor must have humility and its resultant teachability. 6. Academic training is essential. No man can stand up and teach his students and have compassion for them, without having first been a student himself. It helps him to appreciate some of the problems of being on the receiving end. In addition, academic training prepares the individual to think, to utilize and to exploit the gift of pastor(c)teacher. a. Academic training must not only emphasize the original languages of Scripture, but it must relate its subjects to good exegesis and orthodox systematic theology. You must be academically prepared! God uses prepared men. b. Often many of the normal things in life must be neglected to fulfill the ministry. Seminary should prove to you that you are just beginning, that you must study all day and all night! But you can’t study to teach unless you are academically prepared. c. It is not languages alone that prepare a pastor. The most important academic subject he must learn is systematic theology. For he must understand orthodoxy as it has been developed down through the scenturies for almost 2000 years. This is the most important class you get at seminary. If you have languages without doctrine, you know nothing. Therefore, to stay on the orthodoxy line, you must know the doctrine. 7. The combination of military training and academic work in the classroom should develop both good self-discipline and those necessary study habits through which the pastor continues his own spiritual growth as well as feeding the congregation. Everything depends upon the pastor’s study. Therefore, a man entering the ministry must recognize that all his life will be spent as a student. There never will be a time he is not a student, and he is constantly taking examinations every time he teaches. 8. There are two principles a pastor must remember. a. God uses prepared men. b. No pastor can lead his congregation beyond his own spiritual growth. 9. Preparation also involves inculcation in the field of honor and integrity. There is a special system of professional ethics for the pastor. Professional integrity demands that he continue studying and teaching. He must be faithful in the little things which eventually leads to faithfulness in the big things. a. The pastor must be insulated against approbation lust, especially from the congregation. A pastor who preaches from the motivation to always please the congregation is never going to give them spiritual food. He is going to serve only desserts and lots of hot air. Such men make the mistake of preaching in accord with what would please their congregation. But a pastor must speak and teach to please God, not the congregation. b. A pastor should have a wonderful sense of humor. He must be able to laugh at himself. He must be able to take legitimate criticism, appreciate it and utilize it. He must always do his job as unto the Lord. If God doesn’t promote him, he is not promoted. He must avoid self-promotion. 10. This concept is a general application to which there are exceptions. A man who doesn’t fit all these requirements need not get discouraged. For if he truly has the gift of pastor(c)teacher and keeps plugging consistently in Bible doctrine, God will use him and put him in the ministry. For if God wants him in the ministry, God will open up the means for his further training and preparation in whatever he lacks, and he will arrive in the ministry in God’s perfect timing. DD. The pastor must be alert against certain techniques used constantly against Bible doctrine. 1. Name Calling Devices. This is a debater’s technique. If you can’t meet his argument, malign him. This even extends to belittling any doctrine you don’t understand. This is used by liberal theologians to discredit the Blood of Christ. So in this technique, you blaspheme doctrine and malign the pastor-teacher. 2. The Virtue Word. Here, some generality is used to sidetrack the investigation of Biblical evidence. It is used in speaking of our Lord Jesus Christ in a patronizing manner, e.g., “the wisest of men,” “the flower of humanity,” but still only a man (instead of recognizing Him to be the God-man). 3. The Transfer of Authority, Sanction, or Prestige. This is used to transfer from something respected or revered to an idea that would not be acceptable on its own merit. This is used to undermine the authority of the Scriptures. 4. Unwarranted Employment of Testimonials. This is bolstering up or tearing down a shaky idea by the testimony of someone greatly respected. The idea itself won’t stand on its own because it’s false doctrine, so get someone respected to say it’s true. 5. Unimpeachableness of United Opinion. This is using the opinion of the hoi poloi to bolster a false concept. Just because everyone is for it doesn’t make it right. The majority is rarely right. 6. Card Stacking. This is the employment of half-truths, mixed with statements of truth, to get a false doctrine accepted as the truth. This includes lifting out of context a partial statement and treating it as a complete statement. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 25, 2006, 02:22:02 PM 7. The Band Wagon Theme. This is the trick of getting false doctrine accepted by the statement: “All scholars agree.” You rarely find two who agree! Or, “everybody is doing it.” This has the connotation of saying, “for the sake of unity, climb on the bandwagon and go with the crowd.” This trick is used by pastors who are more concerned with the program of their church than with the communication of doctrine.
The ICE Principle......isogogics, catagories, exegetics. Bible doctrine must be taught based on three principles. 1. Isagogics is the historical setting of the passage. 2. Categories is the systematic theology developed from combining Scripture with Scripture. 3. Exegesis is the grammatical and syntactical analysis of the passage from the original languages. FF. Distinctions related to the Authority of the Word of God. 1. Revelation comes from God. 2. Inspiration is the divine means employed by which doctrine is accurately transmitted to the writers of the Canon. 3. Illumination is the Holy Spirit’s enabling ability on the mind of the pastor-teacher, giving him the ability to communicate this doctrine. 4. Interpretation is the pastor’s verbal expression of Bible doctrine to his congregation. This also requires the filling of the Spirit. 5. If the pastor studies under the filling of the Spirit, the Holy Spirit provides the power of concentration, organization, and interpretation, provided he is a prepared person. 6. If the pastor teaches while in the divine dynasphere, the Holy Spirit provides the power of communication within the framework of his own individual personality. 7. All of this is so important as stage one of Operation Z. GG. Accommodation Versus Communication. 1. The pastor either accommodates or communicates to his congregation. Like spirituality and carnality, this is a mutually exclusive situation. 2. Accommodation neutralizes the communication of doctrine, while communication of doctrine destroys the rapport built by accommodation to a congregation. The pastor is mandated by the Bible only to communicate. 3. Accommodation is patronizing the congregation. Communication is a blessing to the congregation. One hospital call could deprive an entire congregation of understanding a passage. HH. Categories of Pastors. 1. There are three categories of pastors who cannot lead their congregation to spiritual maturity. a. The cosmic pastor is distracted by some form of works, crusades, or social action, being very moral, arrogant, and self(c) righteous. He is ignorant of the plan of God, the Word of God, and has no common sense. The cosmic pastor lives in cosmic one and cosmic two and is totally disoriented to reality. b. The baby or immature pastor has never learned Bible doctrine and so spends most of his time in the cosmic system. He does evangelize his congregation weekly, plus giving them little moral lectures and preaching against taboos. He high(c)profiles his own personality while low¦ profiling the Word of God. c. The adolescent pastor teaches some truth, but is distracted by various forms of high profile. He is selling his own personality rather than teaching doctrine. This is done by visiting the sick, calling on the congregation, and conducting programs; therefore he doesn’t have the time to study. He has some truth, but it’s buried in his arrogance, inordinate ambition, programs, and gimmicks. He is ambitious for approbation. He can be a pseudo-intellectual, a crusader, a bleeding heart, self-righteous, a pleasing personality, or arrogant. He appeals to those who are negative toward doctrine. 2. The only pastor eligible is the mature pastor. Through his faithful Bible teaching, personal study, and avoiding high profile distractions, he advances in the divine dynasphere to gate eight and leads his congregation there. He is prepared academically, understands all the major issues in theology, and recognizes that the issue is not his personality but his teaching. He recognizes the principle of Jn 3:30, “He increases . . . I decrease.” Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Satisfied MInd on July 30, 2006, 10:39:39 PM Quote a. Every local church has only one commander. There’s no such thing as plurality of elders. Titus 1:5 ASV (5) For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that were wanting, and appoint elders in every city, as I gave thee charge; Acts 11:30 KJVR (30) Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul. Acts 14:23 ASV (23) And when they had appointed for them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they had believed. 1 Timothy 5:17 ASV (17) Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and in teaching. These verses, plus others, all show a plurality of elders in each congregation. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 30, 2006, 11:18:34 PM And so does a few other verses. The greek word presbuteros is used here which is a plural form of the word presbus (elderly).
Jam 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 1Pe 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: Rev 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 31, 2006, 12:54:29 AM Tit 1:5~~ Because of this grace,
I left you flat in Crete(!) that you should set in order the things that are deficient {which is a lot!}, and ordain elders {synonym for pastors} according to the standard of every city, as I had appointed you . . . {Note: Titus is to train Pastors in each city in Crete according to Paul's plan they had earlier agreed to - now Titus was to carry out the plan}. Acts 14: {Paul dealing with groups of people - set up a local church each with a trained Pastor teacher to lead them.} 23~~And when they had appointed {authorized, ordained} them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting {means to take time normally used to eat and instead study and learn - crash seminary course}, they deposited {first used to put money in the Temple or later bank} them to the Lord . . . on Whom they believed in the past with the result that they kept on believing. {Note: 'Elders' is presbuteros in the Greek. It means 'the old man' - the one in charge. It is the Title for the pastor-teacher as the head of the local church. FYI, bishop is episkopos and means overseer. This is the word that describes the functional title of the pastor-teacher. And Pastor-teacher describes the spiritual gift.} 1 Tim 5: {Royal Family Authority - verses 17-25} 17~~ Those pastor-guardians {one for each church} who have ruled well with the result that they keep ruling honorably - they must be considered worthy of DOUBLE HONOR {diplous time} most of all, those who work hard {to the point of exhaustion - study, teach, study, teach} in the sphere of the word/doctrine {logos} and teaching {didaskalia}. {Note: 'Diplous time' does mean double honor. It refers to giving the pastor teacher REMUNERATION and RESPECT. See the next verse to clarify this. The first obligation of the church is to pay its pastor WELL! And, then, he can be released to study and teach and study and teach! And, also, being a pastor is an honorable occupation worthy of respect - if fulfilled correctly.} James 5:14~~ Anyone among you sick? Suffering from hopeless disease? Let him call to himself the Pastor-teacher {presbuteros} of the church . . . and, having received medical therapy to no avail . . . let them {plural} begin to offer a prayer {a specific prayer solely for the reversionist} over him in the name of the Lord. {Note: Their right pastor-teacher is the one whose authority they rejected in reversionism. The person in reversionism is so deep in that he is near the sin unto death. At this state, rebound 1 John 1:9 no longer works and he can not pray for himself. He must go to the one he rejected for help.} {Note: Presbuteros in Greek is often translated 'elders'. It really means the top guy. The one in authority at the church. The reversionists 'right pastor-teacher' whose teaching he has rejected. In Greek it is in the plural because it matches the case of 'anyone among you' which is plural, but concept is one for each one.} 1 Pet 5: {Message to Pastors then Congregations follow} 1~~ To the elders {pastor/teachers of the various churches} among you, I encourage you as a fellow elder and a judicial witness of the sufferings of Christ {Peter was an actual witness to the crucifixion}, and also a partner in the glory that is about to be revealed: {Note: Peter knows the disaster about to befall on these people - many of whom will die in the next year. These verses tell the Pastor-teachers what to do in times of adversity.} Rev 4: {Angelic Authority in Heaven} 4~~ Also around the throne I saw twenty four additional thrones {reserved for the angelic staff with authority in heaven} and twenty four angelic staff officers {presbuteros denotes authority} were sitting on those thrones {sitting is the posture of thinking} having been clothed {denotes award and honor awarded to elect angels in prehistory} with translucent clothing {uniform of glory} and golden crowns on their heads . . . Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Shammu on July 31, 2006, 03:16:57 PM The only pastor eligible is the mature pastor. Through his faithful Bible teaching, personal study, and avoiding high profile distractions, he advances in the divine dynasphere to gate eight and leads his congregation there. He is prepared academically, understands all the major issues in theology, and recognizes that the issue is not his personality but his teaching. He recognizes the principle of Jn 3:30, “He increases . . . I decrease.” I'm sorry I disagree, some are born natural Pastors. Without any schooling from colleges, who teach the Bible, not the doctrine of man. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 31, 2006, 03:44:14 PM Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. One pastor many elders: 1Ti 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. This verse shows that there are to be more than one elder that rules and not all of them necessarily to preach. Not all of the Apostles were considered elders and yet they all were also teachers. A degree may make a good theologian but does not necessarily make a good teacher or preacher. The Holy Spirit does. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Shammu on July 31, 2006, 03:51:32 PM Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. AMEN brother, AMEN!!Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. One pastor many elders: 1Ti 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. This verse shows that there are to be more than one elder that rules and not all of them necessarily to preach. Not all of the Apostles were considered elders and yet they all were also teachers. A degree may make a good theologian but does not necessarily make a good teacher or preacher. The Holy Spirit does. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 31, 2006, 08:00:25 PM I'm sorry I disagree, some are born natural Pastors. Without any schooling from colleges, who teach the Bible, not the doctrine of man. Some are born with the GIFT of Pastor teacher, yes.....but none are born with KNOWING systematic theology from the originals,...... that must be taught. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 31, 2006, 08:08:33 PM Some are born with the GIFT of Pastor teacher, yes.....but none are born with KNOWING systematic theology from the originals,...... that must be taught. And that makes them a theologian not just a pastor. However a pastor does not have to be a theologian. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Shammu on July 31, 2006, 08:18:08 PM Some are born with the GIFT of Pastor teacher, yes.....but none are born with KNOWING systematic theology from the originals,...... that must be taught. Nope you need to try again. Being a Pastor doesn't mean having to be a theologian. You have to go to college to learn that linssue. Being a theologian is someone who is learned in theology, or who speculates (<--magic word there) about theology. Sorry I tell it like it is, straight from the Bible. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 31, 2006, 08:48:30 PM Some of the best teachers of the Gospel that ever lived were simple uneducated men. These simple men could barely read or write, in fact it is thought that some of them could not read or write at all.
The 12 Apostles were not the only uneducated teachers that the Lord has used and very effectively as teachers of His word. There have been many that have followed in their footsteps. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 31, 2006, 09:22:57 PM Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. Not all of the Apostles were considered elders and yet they all were also teachers. A degree may make a good theologian but does not necessarily make a good teacher or preacher. The Holy Spirit does.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the tribulational Jewish believers that reach Super Grace statis during the trial and tribulation (this verse does not apply to church age). There are no pastor teachers in the T and T, pastor teachers are exclusively for the church age only. EVERYbody (all believers) in ALL dispensations MUST be filled with the spirit to learn, apply and live in fellowship, this is not a doctrine (the filling) that is exclusive to Pastors only. The holy spirit TRANSFERS doctrine into epi-gnosis, but some even under the filling may choose NOT to believe the truth (free will- God the Holy Spirit does not interfere in our free will) of what the holy spirit is trying to give them, for free will chooses NOT to transfer the doctrine as Truth to epi-gnosis, therefore it remains just gnosis, and is never used in their lives or/until, out of free will and have a change of their mind, choose to transfer it to the right lobe, where epi-gnosis is stored and used, the works of the righteous. Mark 13: {Brief Resume on the Tribulation} 9-^~ "But, you yourself must 'watch out'/'be on your guard' for yourselves. For you will be 'betrayed over'/'handed over' {paradidomi} to the Sanhedrin {Jewish courts of the Tribulation} and you {Jewish believers in the Tribulation} will be flogged in the synagogues. You will stand before governors and kings . . . 'for My sake', as a testimony/witness to them. 10^~ And the gospel must first be preached to all nations {grace before judgment - evangelism first then God's judgment to unbelievers}. 11^~ But, when they arrest you and hand you over for trial, do not 'be anxious'/worry about what to speak/teach {laleo}. But communicate whatever is given you at that time/hour, for it is not you speaking/teaching, but the Holy Spirit {hagios pneuma}. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John 14:26 {God the Holy Spirit will Teach in the Church Age} 26~~ But the Encourager/Paraclete {parakletos} . . . the Holy Spirit {pneuma}, Whom the Father will send in My Name, will teach {didasko} you all things {the Truth - Bible doctrine}, and will cause you to remember everything I said {lego} to you." {Note: Parakletos: 'para' means along side. Kletos means to call or communicate. So to communicate along side is a helper. Jesus was 'para' in verse 25. When He leaves, the Father will send a new 'para' along side us to help - to bring comfort, blessing, objectivity, orientation to Grace, differentiation of false teaching from the Truth on and on.} {Note: Didasko means public teaching. Therefore, you learn (congregation) from the teaching of a prepared pastor-teacher, and it is the ministry of God the Holy Spirit to make the Truth in the teaching clear to you (epi-gnosis). What you accept (maybe you will, maybe you won't) as Truth, is stored in your memory center for future use. When it is needed, your paraclete causes you to remember the doctrine that you need to apply to the situation.} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One pastor many elders: 1Ti 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Tim 5: {Royal Family Authority - verses 17-25} 17~~ Those pastor-guardians {one for each church} who have ruled well with the result that they keep ruling honorably - they must be considered worthy of DOUBLE HONOR {diplous time} most of all, those who work hard {to the point of exhaustion - study, teach, study, teach} in the sphere of the word/doctrine {logos} and teaching {didaskalia}. {Note: 'Diplous time' does mean double honor. It refers to giving the pastor teacher REMUNERATION and RESPECT. See the next verse to clarify this. The first obligation of the church is to pay its pastor WELL! And, then, he can be released to study and teach and study and teach! And, also, being a pastor is an honorable occupation worthy of respect - if fulfilled correctly.} {Note: 'Logos' means doctrine on the written page. Didaskalia means doctrine in the soul - after you learn it!}----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This verse shows that there are to be more than one elder that rules and not all of them necessarily to preach. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It show's one pastor teacher for one church, and through study and teach, study and teach, those are the one's that deserve our honor (for not all pastors study and teach, so therefore those do not deserve our honor). All of our pastors today do not have the gift of Apostleship, this stopped in 70 AD.. God gives men gift's other than the gift of pastor teacher. Some are evangelist's, ie: Billy Graham, he fits the catagorie of Preacher, NOT teacher, he was outstanding in what he did, but would never make a good pastor TEACHER. Different spiritual gift's from the Lord to certain men, for different occupations in the ministry. The Holy Spirit is our enabler to the filling of the spirit, but like I said before, He never interfere's with our free will to choose, it is not the fault of the holy spirit if men choose not to believe in the truth. and not transfer this truth to epi-gnosisi doctrine. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on July 31, 2006, 09:31:38 PM 1. And that makes them a theologian not just a pastor. 1. They are synonomous, or they should be.2. However a pastor does not have to be a theologian. 2. If you choose to believe that, that is none of my business. :) Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 31, 2006, 09:50:04 PM A person may be en epignosei of God in more ways than studying the scriptures in their original language. Yes, I agree that studying the scripture is a great way but there is much more to it than just that. There are many theologians that are not and never have been a pastor/teacher and some of them should not be because God is not in them.
Quote They are synonomous, or they should be. In your opinion perhaps but not according to scripture. ;) ;D Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 01, 2006, 10:07:18 AM A person may be en epignosei of God in more ways than studying the scriptures in their original language. Sorry, but I just don't see how with all the evidence of the 'doctrine of pastor teacher', and many other doctrines I have learned through the years about PT's. I do agree that some can certainly learn enough to grow sufficentialy in grace, but the pastor teacher Must know the most and beyond, so he can lead his congregation to super grace and surpassing grace. In their souls they can grow no more than the pastors limit to teach. You would think they would WANT to know the most, just out of the love (the word is the mind of Christ) for the languages spoken at the times of writing. Yes, I agree that studying the scripture is a great way but there is much more to it than just that. Of course the pastor must have virtue love for his congregation, he must be willing to study and teach to exhaustion, he must have a cup runeth over for the love of God, this is just some of the many part's of the gift the Lord bestow's on the chosen PT's. but foremost he MUST know the originals, so that the exact meaning of THAT word is given to the empty souls sitting before him. There is much needed to be the kind of PT that the Lord wants them to be on this earth, this much is mentioned in the doctrine of pastor teacher. There are many theologians that are not and never have been a pastor/teacher and some of them should not be because God is not in them. This goes without saying, the TV is full of them,....... not to speak of the so called WOMEN PT, now that is pure evil arrogance when women are told to be silent in church. In your opinion perhaps but not according to scripture. ;) ;D Yes it "IS" there, ........this is just my point, if the originals where known along with systematic theology, and the history of dispensationalism it becomes quite clear, and it leaves no doubt whatsoever. Like I heard once in a movie about satan where he said,......... "Free will,...... it's a b----"! It was great talking to you-------Grace and Peace to you......... :) Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Satisfied MInd on August 01, 2006, 06:31:59 PM I do disagree with some churches use of the term "pastor" in reference to their preacher.
There are 3 verses in the NT that include the word "pastor"(in various forms). These are Ephesians 4:11 ASV (11) And he gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Acts 20:28 ASV (28) Take heed unto yourselves, and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit hath made you bishops, to feed the church of the Lord which he purchased with his own blood. 1 Peter 5:1-2 ASV (1) The elders among you I exhort, who am a fellow-elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, who am also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: (2) Tend the flock of God which is among you, exercising the oversight, not of constraint, but willingly, according to the will of God; nor yet for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; IN Ephesians 4, Paul is discussing the various roles that Christ placed in the church. "Pastors and teachers" are to serve in the church. This identifies a single group. Pastors, or shephards, as they care for the flock, are also to teach. In Acts 20, Paul refers here to pastors. This time he uses the verb form of the word. It is translated "to feed" in the ASV or "to care for" in the ESV. Pastors feed, tend and protect the church. Whatever a shepherd would do for his flock, likewise the pastors are to do for the church. The church here is referred to as a "flock" In 1 Peter 5, Paul encourages them to "tend the flock of God..." The word "tend" is again the Greek poimaino that means to "act as a shepherd" Paul refers to those who are to "take heed...to all the flock" in Acts 20, as "bishops" or "overseers". Peter in 1 Pet 5, tells those to "act like shepherds" as they "oversee the flock of God". The term hereused for these is "elders". These 2(bishop and elder) are also used interchangebly in Titus 1:5-6. These 3 terms elder, bishop, pastor, are used to refer to the same service in the church. They describe a man who is older and an experienced Christian(elder), a decision maker, manager of church affairs and leader(bishop) and one who watches over the spiritual needs of the flock(pastor). When we look at other scriptures we know that bishops/pastors/elders, must meet scriptural qualifications. (1 Timothy 3:1-7; Titus 1:5-9) They serve in a plurality over a congregation. If we consider these scriptures carefully we can note that all pastors are ministers or servants. But not all ministers are pastors. There are examples of preachers being pastors/elders. Peter was a preacher and an elder. (1 Pet. 5:1) Paul likewise noted that there may be elders who "labor in the word and in teaching" (1 Tim 5:17) But there are cases where preachers serve in congregations in conjunction with pastors/elders such as Timothy and Titus. I believe the NT shows that there are to be a plurality of elders/pastors serving over a single, autonomous congregation. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 01, 2006, 11:07:02 PM From Satisfied mind..........I believe the NT shows that there are to be a plurality of elders/pastors serving over a single, autonomous congregation.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do not! There are too many verses to reply to them all, here are a few. {Communicative Types of Spiritual Gifts Initially Given by Jesus} 11~~And He gave some . . . apostles {temporary gift - highest authority} . . . and some/others . . . prophets {temporary communication gift}, and some/others . . . evangelists {permanent communication gift}, and some/others . . . 'pastors and teachers' {ONE permanent communication gift}. {Note: See also Acts 19:11; 2 Timothy 4:20. Temporary gifts ended by 96 AD. After initial appointments by Jesus Christ, the selection of other spiritual gifts came from the sovereign ministry of the Holy Spirit per I Corinthians 12:11. } {Note: 'Poimen' -is the word correctly translated pastor. It also means shepherd. A pastor is the shepherd of his flock/congregation. 'Didaskalos' is the word for teacher, but it means to teach one to MANY and in a monologue fashion - not dialog.} Acts 20: {Note: the elders were the pastors of the various churches in Ephesus.} 18~~And when they were come face to face with him, he said unto them, "You remember, from the first day that I came into Asia, after what manner I have been with you at all seasons." {Note: The pastors came TO Paul. Paul is reminding them of his ministry in Ephesus.} 19~~"Serving the Lord with all humility of mind {orientation to grace and the Plan of God}, and with many tears, and pressures, which accompanies me by the lying in wait of the Jews." {Note: Paul is under great danger and pressures from RELIGION - the legalistic Jews.} 20~~"And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have showed you, and I have also categorically taught you over and over again publicly, and from house to house." {Note: 'Kept back nothing' is a nautical idiom in the Greek - by captains orders the sails are taken down to slow down the ship - with the negative, means Paul taught and taught these pastor-teachers all he could - in categories of doctrines. In Ephesus, the churches met in private homes hence RBT teaches that the plural 'elders' is the pastor-teacher (singular) in each of the many houses - hence 'elders' (means the one in authority). As far as doctrine to be taught, only the one with the gift of pastor-teacher can make that decision. There are other men and women with spiritual gifts like the gift of administration that handle the money and operations of the church.}] 25~~ "And now, behold, I know that you all . . . among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God . . . shall see my face no more." {Note: Paul is stating he will see these pastor-teachers no more. Paul does return to Ephesus, but whether or not he sees any of these men again in time is not documented.} 26~~"Because of this {because he has trained them} I testify this day {on the record}, that I keep on being {absolute status quo} pure from the blood of all {idiom here for 'failures of others'}." {Note: This is an idiom. Paul is saying he has done his responsibility to these pastor-teachers, he has taught them all the doctrine he could. So 'pure' means he met his obligation to them. His responsibility was to study and teach. What they do with the doctrine - application - is up to them! It is not 'on his head' we might say today.} 27~~"For I have not held back {to shun his responsibilities} in repeating and communicating again and again unto you all the designs {decrees} of God." {Note: Pattern of teaching is presented here. Teach the doctrines, then teach them again and again, until they not only have HEARD the doctrine, but the CAN NOT FORGET IT!} {Warning to the Pastor-teachers about their great responsibility to their flock} 28~~"Beware, and always beware, with regard to yourselves, and to all the flock which the Holy Spirit Himself has appointed you overseers . . . to keep on feeding the church which belongs to God . . . which He has purchased with His own blood. {Note: In the Greek there are a few words for 'feed'. Here is 'poimaino' which means to feed with authority. With sheep it is ruling with the shepherd's staff - so is with authority!" {False teacher warning} 29~~"For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves {came to mean bullies} shall infiltrate among you, not sparing the flock. {Note: Continuing the analogy of a shepherd watching over its flock, when Paul leaves, Ephesus will not have an apostle watching over the churches until Timothy comes. False teachers will be coming to lead the flock astray from True Bible Doctrine.} {Apostate teacher warning} 30~~"Also from your own selves shall men arise, speaking distorted things, to seduce away disciples after them {to listen to their ideas instead of going 'after bible doctrine'}." {Note: Now Paul is saying that not only will people outside this group of his students that are now Pastor-teachers be leading the flock astray, but ALSO some of these people will lead the flock to follow their 'personalities' / programs instead of keeping their eyes on the Lord and True Bible doctrine. Seduce is the key word. It indicates people will leave Bible doctrinal teaching based on emotional responses - human good, pleasing personality of the pastor, etc. instead of concentrating on the quality of the content that the teacher teaches.} 31~~" Therefore constantly be alert with regards to yourself, and remember {bible doctrine metabolized in your soul}, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears." {Note: The Greek word used here for alert is not the one for ' alert from outside forces like in a sentry on duty'. This time "Gregoreuo' is used which is to watch your self and what you do. This says to be alert to what you are teaching. Stay with ICE teaching - word by word, sentence by sentence, precept on precept, category on category of doctrines.} {Note: Noutheteo is a compound Greek word - to place and in the mind. So to 'Warn' is to place in your mind something to use as a reference. Paul gave them bible doctrine as their reference.} (Cont) Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 01, 2006, 11:10:02 PM I Peter
Chapter 5 {Message to Pastors then Congregations follow} 1~~ To the elders {pastor/teachers of the various churches} among you, I encourage you as a fellow elder and a judicial witness of the sufferings of Christ {Peter was an actual witness to the crucifixion}, and also a partner in the glory that is about to be revealed: {Note: Peter knows the disaster about to befall on these people - many of whom will die in the next year. These verses tell the Pastor-teachers what to do in times of adversity.} 2~~Feed the flock of God among you . . . not under compulsion, but voluntarily according to the grace of God . . . not from gains, but from enthusiasm. 3~~ Not so much as being bullies over the allotment {pastor's right share of God's sheep}, but become a 'soul mold' {an example} to the flock. 4~~ And when the chief Shepherd {the Lord Jesus} shall appear {rapture}, you shall receive the Crown of Unfading Glory. {Note: This is the special wreath reward for pastors who bring their congregations along to spiritual maturity.} {Verses 5-11: The Functions of the Congregation} 5~~ Likewise, in a similar manner, you congregation, become subordinate to the authority of your Pastor-elders {one per local Church, in Greek this is shown as a plural}. And, all of you dress {conduct} yourselves with humility toward one another, and YOU MUST!!! Because God makes war on the arrogant believer, but He gives Grace to the humble believer. 6-7~~ Having caste all your care on Him {Christ}, it keeps on being a care to Him {His responsibility}, you allow yourselves therefore to be humbled under the mighty hand of God that He might promote you {move up in your spiritual life}. {Note: If God does not promote you, you are not promoted!} 8~~ Attain spiritual self esteem . . . be on the alert . . . your enemy - the devil - prowls around like a roaring lion, walks about, looking for someone to devour. {Note: The devil will gobble up carnal believers - without Bible doctrine metabolized in their soul}. 9~~ Whom resist - steadfast in The Faith {'what is believed' - doctrine} - knowing that the same undeserved sufferings are endured in your brethren - to your advantage - that are in the cosmos/world {here the 'Roman World' is about to face great persecution}. 10~~ But The God of all grace {God the Father - author of the Plan in eternity past}, Who has called us {election} unto His eternal glory {phase III} in Christ Jesus . . . {believers} after having suffered a little while {after suffering, you must do the following 4 things}: mend your broken net {fisherman's idiom - suffering tests the strength of our nets, grace mends the nets of our lives}, be mentally stable, depart strength, and establish an unwavering foundation in you. {Note: Grace makes you spiritually self-sustaining.} 11~~To Him {dative of dignity}, the RULING POWER from the ages to the ages {forever and ever}. 'I BELIEVE IT'/Amen! {Postscript - like a signature - in Peter's own handwriting here} 12~~ Through Silvanus, the faithful brother unto you . . . I know I have written a few words . . . encouraging . . . and carrying a solemn witness . . . that this keeps on being the true grace from God . . . in which . . . STAND FAST! 13~~Those in Babylon {Peter is in Babylon here - Rome} . . . elected together with you . . . salute you . . . and so does Marcus my son/student {John Mark}. {Note: In case this letter was intercepted, they would NOT easily know where Peter was writing from so the new 'Babylon' was used.} {SideNote: Just as Silvanus penned the words to most of this epistle for Peter, we may now assume that John Mark may have penned the Gospel of Mark under the guidance of Peter who actually experienced with Jesus what is described in 'Mark'. } 14~~Greet you one another of the same kind with a kiss of agape love. Peace {results of agape love - inner happiness} belongs to you - to your advantage - and to all that are in Christ Jesus. 'I BELIEVE IT!'/Amen. Titus 1: 5~~ Because of this grace, I left you flat in Crete(!) that you should set in order the things that are deficient {which is a lot!}, and ordain elders {synonym for pastors} according to the standard of every city, as I had appointed you . . . {Note: Titus is to train Pastors in each city in Crete according to Paul's plan they had earlier agreed to - now Titus was to carry out the plan}. {Qualities to look for in the Pastor Teacher- verses 6- 9} 6~~if any one keeps on being: irreproachable, a one-woman man, having children who are believers . . . not in the sphere of accusation of riot, or unruly {not a hell raiser, rebellious}. 7~~ For it is necessary for a bishop to be irreproachable - as God's administrative manager: not self-willed {literally means not to allow stubbornness to make the pastor unfair -grace orientation}, not prone to easily anger {relaxed mental attitude}, not prone to drunkenness, not a brawler {not a fist-fighter}, not eager for dishonorable profit. {Note: 'Biship' means an 'administrative overseer with authority'. This is another title for the pastor-teacher with an emphasis on his administrative responsibilities.} 8~~ But: a lover of divine good, a lover of good men, sober {absent of mental attitude sins}, fair and equitable, holy {capacity for love, occupation with Christ}, temperate {self-control - mastery of the details of life}. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Shammu on August 02, 2006, 01:01:33 AM Now that you have blown my eyes out with that large font, linssue55. I have taken my migrain meds, and can answer you.
If God is the head, then God is the teacher. There isn't a place in the Bible where it says that, man is to be head of the body. If we are supposed to imitate Jesus, did Jesus submit to a pastor? No. He submitted to God himself. If we are to be like Christ, we need to be doing nothing but loving each other. But no, we are to teach one another. In our behavior and in our devotion to God, we are to be like Jesus Christ, in as many ways as we can. Where in the Bible did it say that a pastor is to be submitted to or demand submission? Where did it say that you must go to college to become a pastor? Or does the Bible speak of a pastor at all? Pastor is Latin for shepherd. If you look at it this way, we all are supposed to be shepherding each other. Every man is his brother's keeper. We need to love each other and depend on the Spirit to teach us, trust in Jesus, and obey God just as Jesus did. We are the bride of Christ. The Apostles did not have a seminary degree, but they did have a thorough knowledge of Jesus Christ, of His teachings, and of the ways of God. In fact, their early childhood training by Jewish teachers and parents might exceed the level of theological educations. God does not put a premium on ignorance nor upon failure to be adequately trained. The two greatest leaders in divinely-inspired Scriptures Moses and Paul, were both supremely well-educated men. The fact is: God uses all kinds of people. I believe as preachers and teachers we should be equiped but that can be done in a number of ways. I have known quite a few teachers of the Word who were never formally trained that had an amazing grasp of the scriptures. Your way shows the whole issue really. It shows a distrust in the power of the Holy Spirit to cut through the desires of the flesh, ways of man, etc. Sometimes you must wonder if some have the eyes to see and ears to hear what the word of God has within it to guide us through these troubling times. Many theologians are fatally missing the "mark of the high calling of God" because they rely solely on man-made processes to spiritually educate them. When God laid His hand on those throughout the ages to proclaim Him to the world, He seemed to pick ones that were under human standards, the least likely. But, the common thread was their complete and utter devotion in Spirit and Truth to the Lord Jesus Christ. It was the inner working of the Holy Spirit in their lives that made them great in His eyes. They may not have had crusades of thousands, or congregations of ten thousands, but they preached Christ crucified, and those who heard were changed in their hearts forever. Edited cause I missed posting part of my statement, till now. :-\ Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 03:02:29 AM Now that you have blown my eyes out with that large font, linssue55. I have taken my migrain meds, and can answer you. If God is the head, then God is the teacher. There isn't a place in the Bible where it says that, man is to be head of the body. If we are supposed to imitate Jesus, did Jesus submit to a pastor? No. He submitted to God himself. If we are to be like Christ, we need to be doing nothing but loving each other. Where in the Bible did it say that a pastor is to be submitted to or demand submission? Where did it say that you must go to college to become a pastor? Or does the Bible speak of a pastor at all? Pastor is Latin for shepherd. If you look at it this way, we all are supposed to be shepherding each other. Every man is his brother's keeper. We need to love each other and depend on the Spirit to teach us, trust in Jesus, and obey God just as Jesus did. We are the bride of Christ. The Apostles did not have a seminary degree, but they did have a thorough knowledge of Jesus Christ, of His teachings, and of the ways of God. In fact, their early childhood training by Jewish teachers and parents might exceed the level of theological educations. God does not put a premium on ignorance nor upon failure to be adequately trained. The two greatest leaders in divinely-inspired Scriptures Moses and Paul, were both supremely well-educated men. The fact is: God uses all kinds of people. I believe as preachers and teachers we should be equiped but that can be done in a number of ways. I have known quite a few teachers of the Word who were never formally trained that had an amazing grasp of the scriptures. Your way shows the whole issue really. It shows a distrust in the power of the Holy Spirit to cut through the desires of the flesh, ways of man, etc. Sometimes you must wonder if some have the eyes to see and ears to hear what the word of God has within it to guide us through these troubling times. Many theologians are fatally missing the "mark of the high calling of God" because they rely solely on man-made processes to spiritually educate them. When God laid His hand on those throughout the ages to proclaim Him to the world, He seemed to pick ones that were under human standards, the least likely. But, the common thread was their complete and utter devotion in Spirit and Truth to the Lord Jesus Christ. It was the inner working of the Holy Spirit in their lives that made them great in His eyes. They may not have had crusades of thousands, or congregations of ten thousands, but they preached Christ crucified, and those who heard were changed in their hearts forever. I am legally blind and have a hard time reading small script, I never went over 12pt........ If God is the head, then God is the teacher. There isn't a place in the Bible where it says that, man is to be head of the body. No I did not say that, I said the pastor teacher is the head (in authority) over his congregation of his one church. God is his (pastor) direct authority to study and teach. If we are supposed to imitate Jesus, did Jesus submit to a pastor? No. He submitted to God himself. If we are to be like Christ, we need to be doing nothing but loving each other. God has more attributes then only love, so therefore we are to have some of those same attributes (plural). This is almost too silly to answer it is so basic..........The ONLY way we can possibly imitate the Lord is with the filling of the spirit.....Jesus submit?...silly, "does a perfect God submit to sinners?" The remaining I just can't answer, beyond silly and argumentative, for I know you wouldn't be interested in the truth anyway, for "The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher" tells what you are asking but not interested it what it had to say apparently. You cannot say that systematically theology doesn't work nor correct/original languages, because you have nothing to compare it to other then what you have taught yourself to believe. "Never judge others (in this case judge the theology) until you have walked in their steps (learnt it), then you have the foundation to judge the right from the wrong (scripturally). " People are afraid of what they don't understand, through knowledge comes understanding. I quess if we were to live by your standards we should close all the schools down (including the childrens) for men are just to inadequate to teach let along understand what is being taught (for we are all fleshly). If you believe this then we should all throw our bibles out, for wasn't it written by men of the flesh? Through the filling of the spirit, the flesh becomes null and void. The bible has much to say about PT's, but you will believe in what you will, this issue is therefore between you and the Lord, for I will not debate the word of God, for nothing is served. Acts 4:13~~Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned {no formal academic training} and ignorant men {no official office to teach doctrine}, they marveled. And they took knowledge from them that had habitually been with Jesus (speaking with the Lord, and learning from HIM the the word accurately (from the Aramain in the ancient language)). Yet God chose apostle Paul to write 2/3’s of the New Testament. He used a man of high intellect and education. Acts 22:1~~"Men, brethren {Jews . . .members of the same race}, and fathers {term of respect . . . means Jewish religious leaders were present}, HEAR MY DEFENSE . . . NOW {command} which I make face to face unto you!" 2-3~~And when they heard that he kept on speaking in the Hebrew dialect to them to their advantage, they kept on having, from the immediate source of themselves, silence {only a few were still talking and they shut up}. And he said, 3~~ "I am in the absolute status quo of truly a man . . . a Jew {his race}, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city {Jerusalem} to be trained again and again and again, at the feet of Gamaliel {one of the greatest and most objective Pharisees of the day} and received inculcation/training/education according to the accurate manner of the law {clear presentation of its content} of the fathers, and was zealous {positive volition at the point of God consciousness} toward God, as you all keep on being this day. {Note: When Paul talked to them in the Hebrew dialect, it identified him as a man of some standing and they stopped to listen to his words . . . for a little while anyway! In the ancient world, speakers introduced themselves and this is Paul's introduction.} Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Shammu on August 02, 2006, 03:15:59 AM Quote I am legally blind and have a hard time reading small script, I never went over 12pt. Sorry about that then, I'll pray for you on this matter. My eyes trying to adjust to the different font sizes causes migrains. Just to make it easier for you, I enlarged the font. edited to add; I work off of open office, and paste and cut, my posts alot of times. Some times I miss a part of this, when I break it into paragraphs. Part of my post is missing If we are to be like Christ, we need to be doing nothing but loving each other. (Should say here the following) But no, we are to teach one another. In our behavior and in our devotion to God, we are to be like Jesus Christ, in as many ways as we can Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 02, 2006, 07:22:34 AM Quote God has more attributes then only love, so therefore we are to have some of those same attributes (plural). This is almost too silly to answer it is so basic..........The ONLY way we can possibly imitate the Lord is with the filling of the spirit.....Jesus submit?...silly, "does a perfect God submit to sinners?" The remaining I just can't answer, beyond silly and argumentative, for I know you wouldn't be interested in the truth anyway, for "The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher" tells what you are asking but not interested it what it had to say apparently. You cannot say that systematically theology doesn't work nor correct/original languages, because you have nothing to compare it to other then what you have taught yourself to believe. "Never judge others (in this case judge the theology) until you have walked in their steps (learnt it), then you have the foundation to judge the right from the wrong (scripturally). People are afraid of what they don't understand, through knowledge comes understanding. I quess if we were to live by your standards we should close all the schools down (including the childrens) for men are just to inadequate to teach let along understand what is being taught (for we are all fleshly). If you believe this then we should all throw our bibles out, for wasn't it written by men of the flesh? Through the filling of the spirit, the flesh becomes null and void. The bible has much to say about PT's, but you will believe in what you will, this issue is therefore between you and the Lord, for I will not debate the word of God, for nothing is served. " linssue, No one here is trying to turn this into a debate. This is a Bible Study and we are trying to get across the point of what the Bible has to say on this subject. You said above "People are afraid of what they don't understand, through knowledge comes understanding." The point that we are trying to make here is where does this knowledge and understanding come from? It is not just from listening to a pastor/teacher, it is not just from studying the Bible in the original language. While those are good methods to learn and much can be learned in that manner, this method by itself is mans way of learning. Not everyone knows Greek and Hebrew nor do they have the ability to learn it. Not everyone knows English nor have the ability to learn it. God still provides a way for them to learn of Him and to draw closer to him in knowledge and understanding even without a pastor/teacher ( as you have described one to be ). I have met many pastor/teachers and those that are just teachers that have a far better understanding of God's word without knowledge of the original language than many of those Theologians that have an excellant grasp of Hebrew and Greek. I personally know of a young man of 10 years of age that could put many a Pastor or Theologian to shame in his knowledge of God's word. He has never had any such training yet he can explain to you in words not normally used by a 10 yr old and does so quite accurately. I again ask the question that gets to our main point .... Where does this knowledge and understanding come from? Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. Pro 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. 1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 09:39:28 AM Sorry about that then, I'll pray for you on this matter. My eyes trying to adjust to the different font sizes causes migrains. Just to make it easier for you, I enlarged the font. edited to add; I work off of open office, and paste and cut, my posts alot of times. Some times I miss a part of this, when I break it into paragraphs. Part of my post is missing If we are to be like Christ, we need to be doing nothing but loving each other. (Should say here the following) But no, we are to teach one another. In our behavior and in our devotion to God, we are to be like Jesus Christ, in as many ways as we can Yes I get migrains too, they are terrible. gotcha16 really helps mine. I love all people with agape love, regardless of what they may believe or be like, for who am I but a terrible sinner. One thing we all have in common (christians) we love the Lord and praise Him in our own way. Grace and peace to you..... Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 10:09:54 AM linssue, No one here is trying to turn this into a debate. This is a Bible Study and we are trying to get across the point of what the Bible has to say on this subject. You said above "People are afraid of what they don't understand, through knowledge comes understanding." The point that we are trying to make here is where does this knowledge and understanding come from? It is not just from listening to a pastor/teacher, it is not just from studying the Bible in the original language. While those are good methods to learn and much can be learned in that manner, this method by itself is mans way of learning. Not everyone knows Greek and Hebrew nor do they have the ability to learn it. Not everyone knows English nor have the ability to learn it. God still provides a way for them to learn of Him and to draw closer to him in knowledge and understanding even without a pastor/teacher ( as you have described one to be ). I have met many pastor/teachers and those that are just teachers that have a far better understanding of God's word without knowledge of the original language than many of those Theologians that have an excellant grasp of Hebrew and Greek. I personally know of a young man of 10 years of age that could put many a Pastor or Theologian to shame in his knowledge of God's word. He has never had any such training yet he can explain to you in words not normally used by a 10 yr old and does so quite accurately. I again ask the question that gets to our main point .... Where does this knowledge and understanding come from? Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. Pro 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. 1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. Yes I do understand what you are saying, what I am trying to say is I do not, nor will ever believe what you guys believe regarding pastor teachers, I know what the bible say's all about them. I have seen both sides of the coin, and I know which side is real and true. There is a reason for acedemic training and teachings, until you have listened to what I have listened to you cannot say, for the proof is in the writings, the proof is in the teachings. I ran across this very same subject matter with christians for years, and I just say to myself "They do not understand!" That is where I leave it. It is up to every christian to decide for themselves. I know someone that went to seminary for 3 years, and to this day he still say's, "What I have learned form just one tape (ICE) is more than what I have learned in the 3 years in seminary." They did not teach ICE. This was 20 years ago for this person, and we are both still under the same ministry. I knew this 70 year old man that started on the tapes, he has always been a christian, and he said, "I have found the truth, the real truth after all of these years and now I walk around in utter happiness like I never have before. I had no idea what I had been missing." I have dozens of these. It is impossible for people to understand what I have been trying to say, they are stuck in their old ways, as tradition may have it. They are comfortable in their own way, without exploring the way God meant for all christians to comprehend His words. For I know and millions of others (that follow this teaching) know, that this IS exactly the way the Lord meant for ALL of His children to know the word, and it is all because of our pastor teachers years and years of acedemic learning that have brought us to this conclusion. This is the ONLY way, just like faith, it is something you know deep inside our soul but are unable to express it. Nothing will ever change my mind Grace and Peace to you...... Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 02, 2006, 10:20:44 AM Quote They are comfortable in their own way, without exploring the way God meant for all christians to comprehend His words. For I know and millions of others (that follow this teaching) know, that this IS exactly the way the Lord meant for ALL of His children to know the word, and it is all because of our pastor teachers years and years of acedemic learning that have brought us to this conclusion. This is the ONLY way, just like faith, it is something you know deep inside that our souls are unable to express. Sister this is where we will have to disagree because I have seen the power of the spirit in peoples hearts and minds, especially in those that are educationally handicapped. That is restricting the Holy Spirit with man made absolutes. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Amorus on August 02, 2006, 11:11:50 AM Quote from: linssue55 on Today at 10:09:54 AM
Yes I do understand what you are saying, what I am trying to say is I do not, nor will ever believe what you guys believe regarding pastor teachers, I know what the bible say's all about them. I have seen both sides of the coin, and I know which side is real and true. There is a reason for acedemic training and teachings, until you have listened to what I have listened to you cannot say, for the proof is in the writings, the proof is in the teachings. I ran across this very same subject matter with christians for years, and I just say to myself "They do not understand!" That is where I leave it. It is up to every christian to decide for themselves. I know someone that went to seminary for 3 years, and to this day he still say's, "What I have learned form just one tape (ICE) is more than what I have learned in the 3 years in seminary." They did not teach ICE. This was 20 years ago for this person, and we are both still under the same ministry. I knew this 70 year old man that started on the tapes, he has always been a christian, and he said, "I have found the truth, the real truth after all of these years and now I walk around in utter happiness like I never have before. I had no idea what I had been missing." I have dozens of these. It is impossible for people to understand what I have been trying to say, they are stuck in their old ways, as tradition may have it. They are comfortable in their own way, without exploring the way God meant for all christians to comprehend His words. For I know and millions of others (that follow this teaching) know, that this IS exactly the way the Lord meant for ALL of His children to know the word, and it is all because of our pastor teachers years and years of acedemic learning that have brought us to this conclusion. This is the ONLY way, just like faith, it is something you know deep inside our soul but are unable to express it. Nothing will ever change my mind Grace and Peace to you...... Hello Linssue, Seems like your an academic. I'm confused by some of what you said in your last reply. Are you saying that if Pastors do not teach by the ICE method, then they are not teaching correctly? If God meant for all christians to comprehend His words only one way "(without exploring the way God meant for all christians to comprehend HIs words) (this IS exactly the way the Lord meant for all his children to know the word)" then what would be the point of prayer, reading the scripture and applying it to my own life struggles and happines? Why should I fall on my knees and praise Jesus when I could simply go to this person who had years and years of academic training and get my answer? Since you are a theologian you will understand what I'm saying when I ask... would this not fall under the category "Appeal to the man?" Years and years of academic study can give you knowledge, can make you feel secure in your answers............but it can not give you experience, experience that comes from the grace of our Lord! Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. Some of the best teachers in the world have been children, not sure they would understand the ICE concept! LUKE 10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure." Thanks for allowing me to post my opinion and for clarifying what you are saying. I'm one person who isn't affraid of what they don't understand, so please, in reading my response, do not assume that you can lump me in with groupings of common bodies of people that you have referred to in your previous posts...Thanks an aweful bunch! Blessings and love to you! Your brother in Christ -Am- Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 02, 2006, 12:03:19 PM I'm one person who isn't affraid of what they don't understand, so please, in reading my response, do not assume that you can lump me in with groupings of common bodies of people that you have referred to in your previous posts... Yes, I question that also since I am currently going through this material. I am definitely not afraid of it although I am now seriously starting to question the teachings that go with it. Such as : Quote We believe that the Bible, composed of 66 canonical books in their original languages, is the inspired, inerrant and infallible Word of God. This would be to say that the KJV, NIV, ASV ......... are all not the word of God. I find a serious problem with this according to the teachings of the Bible. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Amorus on August 02, 2006, 12:56:26 PM Yes, I question that also since I am currently going through this material. I am definitely not afraid of it although I am now seriously starting to question the teachings that go with it. Careful PR! That just might make you a theologian!. LOL..... As I'm re-reading this material, it should be a debate on theological application, not what the scripture defines as Pastor/Teacher, and I think that is what linssue is getting at. I do believe that there is more going on here then meets the eye. We shall see where this leads us and may the light of the Lord guide this message to be a blessing to all who read it! That those whose thoughts shall fall upon it may see that the disciples of the Lord do in fact love one another, even when they question and disagree, but in the end are only trying to get closer to the Lord!Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 02, 2006, 01:23:19 PM Careful PR! That just might make you a theologian!. LOL..... ;) ;D LOL .... nothing wrong with being a theologian as long as we keep our eyes on the most important thing. The main message that Jesus came to earth to deliver to us all .... The Gospel. Quote As I'm re-reading this material, it should be a debate on theological application, not what the scripture defines as Pastor/Teacher, and I think that is what linssue is getting at. I do believe that there is more going on here then meets the eye. That may be very true. Quote We shall see where this leads us and may the light of the Lord guide this message to be a blessing to all who read it! That those whose thoughts shall fall upon it may see that the disciples of the Lord do in fact love one another, even when they question and disagree, but in the end are only trying to get closer to the Lord! Amen! Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Amorus on August 02, 2006, 01:54:36 PM ;) ;D LOL .... nothing wrong with being a theologian as long as we keep our eyes on the most important thing. The main message that Jesus came to earth to deliver to us all .... The Gospel. Well said! :)Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 03:09:14 PM This entire chapter is of great value........ Proverbs Chapter 03 {Chapter 3 - What David Taught Solomon} {Principal from Deuteronomy 6:6-9: Parents Should Teach their Children Doctrine} {Verses 1:10 - the Wages of Doctrine - David to Solomon} 1~~My son, forget not my law/doctrine; but let your heart/'right lobe' keep/guard my commandments/precepts/ 'categories of doctrines' {mitzvah}. 2~~For length of days, and 'years of life'/long life, and prosperity/peace/'inner happiness' . . . they {the 'precepts of doctrines' in your soul} shall add to you. {Note: Remember God's perfect timing. It is not necessarily a long life as we think of it, but from God's viewpoint, a full life. One that is abundant and lived under inner happiness.} 3a~~Do not let mercy/'grace in action' {checed} and doctrine/truth {'emeth} leave you. 3b~~Bind them about your neck. {Note: Many people carried their signet rings around the neck - so doctrine is "God's signet ring" by which we cash God's checks.} 3c~~Write them upon the "tablets of your heart/'right lobe' ". {Note: means to study doctrine, take notes, review the notes and metabolize the doctrine in the thinking part of your soul.} 4~~So {a result} shall you find grace/favor {chen} and good understanding {towb sekel} {about the will/design/plan of God} in the sight of 'Elohiym/Godhead and {in the sight of} man. {Verses 5-6: Doctrine is the basis of Divine Guidance} 5a~~Trust {batach} in Jehovah/God with all your 'right lobe'/heart. 5b~~And do not lean on your 'own doctrine'/'human viewpoint thinking' {biynah}. {Note: Batach refers to the 'Faith Rest Technique'. Originally it was a wrestler's term - to 'body slam your troubles to God'. We all start with 'human viewpoint'. From the bible, we learn 'divine viewpoint'. Lean on the Lord and His Word. Then you will know how to Walk in the Righteous Ways of God.} 6~~In all of your Ways . . . know {yada`} Him {God}, therefore, He shall level {yashar} your paths'. {Note: This means that doctrine is paramount in your life when you know God. And how do you 'know God?' . . . by knowing His Thinking - which is in written form today - means to study bible doctrine. Finally, without God you have mountains in your paths - He will cut the barrier down to your size.} {Verses 7-8: Protection from Mental Attitude Sins} 7a~~Be not 'wise' {chakam} in your own eyes. {Note: This is an idiom for pride and arrogance - and the whole string of mental attitude sins.} 7b~~Respect/'Be in awe of' Jehovah/God. {principal of 'Occupation with Christ'} 7c~~And depart from 'the evil'. {the Spirit filled life - salvation, rebound when necessary, take in doctrine, apply it to life - overcomes evil, which here is emphasizing your own 'old sin nature'} 8a~~It shall 'lead to a healthy body'. {idiom: literally: 'health to your navel'} 8b~~And 'strength in your body'. {idiom again: literally: 'marrow to your bones'}. {Note: The absence of arrogance and other mental attitude sins protects the physical body as well as your spiritual condition.} {Verses 9-10: Doctrine Motivates Giving} 9~~Glorify {kabad} Jehovah/God with your substance {hown}, and with the firstfruits of all your increase. {Note: There is no glory if your free will is not involved - you must want to give because He gave FIRST. The word INCREASE is the key. The only reason any believer ever 'increases' is because of God!} {Note: The verse does not say 'tithes'. Tithing is NOT giving - it is taxation and is not a part of spiritual giving. Taxation was for believer and unbeliever alike in Israel. So 'tithes' was closer to our Income Tax situation today. Churches have NO RIGHT to ask you for a certain percentage! You give as God has graced you! And, if you are not a believer, you have no right to give! Spiritual giving is a PRIVILEGE for believers only and the amount is between the believer and the Lord and is no one else's business - period! They ask for a percentage out of ignorance and those who pay . . . pay out of ignorance of bible doctrine. Ignorance plus ignorance does not equal wisdom.} (cont) Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 03:10:39 PM 10~~So shall your barns be filled with plenty {material prosperity}, and your presses shall burst out with new wine. {two idioms for business prosperity} {Verses 11-20: Blessings of Grace} {Verses 11-12: First Blessing of Grace is Discipline} {Quoted in Hebrews Chapter 12:5} 11a~~My son, do not reject the discipline of Jehovah/God. 11b~~Therefore, do not loath His punishment. 12~~For whom Jehovah/God loves He judges {yakach} . . . even as a father to the son in whom He delights {ratsah}. {Note: How does God judge us? He judges by punitive actions. God treats us in grace even when He disciplines us. The very fact you are alive and suffering is Grace. If He gave any of us what we deserved, we would be dead and not hurting anymore!} {Proverbs Chapter 3: 13-18 See Revelation Chapter 2:7} 3:13~~Happinesses . . . to the man who finds wisdom and the man that gains understanding {of doctrine} {tabuwn}. {Note: Wisdom here is chokmah and would be epignosis in the Greek. Happiness STARTS with understanding doctrine! There are TWO types of happiness - 1) Inward - inner happiness and 2) Overt happiness. Both bound up in one package - doctrine in your soul} 14~~For 'its profit'/'the acquisition of it' {cachar} {the 'it' is wisdom - which is the only knowledge that means anything - God's Divine Viewpoint} . . . is better than the profit/acquisition of money . . . and its gain {t@buw'ah} . . . than fine gold. {believers should seek to gain doctrine, like most people seek to gain Gold!} {Verses 15-18: Doctrine is from God's Grace} 15a~~She {doctrine} is more precious than jewels/rubies {paniyn}. {not only a sign of wealth but of enjoyment of the things from wealth} 15b~~And nothing {no detail of life - healthy, money, pleasure, success, popularity, loved ones} can compare to her {bible doctrine}. {Note: You can wipe out all details of life and still have happiness if you have the capacity for happiness in your life. But without the capacity for happiness that comes from doctrine, you will not be happy with any or all of these things.} 16a~~Long life is in her right hand. {concept of a FULL life as well as a long life. Doctrine can be the basis of long life - but it will be the basis for a full, happy, contented life.} 16b~~And in her {doctrine's} left hand are riches and honor. {You always get the right hand. But sometimes, you get the left hand 'in time' also. This refers to riches and rewards in time by advancing to spiritual maturity. There will also be rewards in eternity future for the spiritually mature believer.} 17a~~Her {Doctrine's} Ways are pleasant ways. 17b~~And her paths are pleasantness/prosperity/'mental stability' {no`am}. {See Revelation Chapter 2:7} 18a~~ She {Doctrine} is a tree of life to them that lay hold of her. {Those who study and retain doctrine} 18b~~'And happy are all that hold her'/'Receiving inner happiness . . . the one who hangs on to her {doctrine}'. {Those with doctrine resident in the soul} {Note: The tree of life in the garden is prohibited after the fall. Now doctrine is the tree of life. The key to happiness. The secret to happiness in this life is to 'eat of the tree of life' - resident and function in the Divine Dynasphere.} {Verses 19-20: The Plan of God from Grace} 19a~~Jehovah/God by wisdom {Wisdom is 'His Thinking' - 'His Viewpoint' - 'His Word' - and the Word became Flesh - Jehovah here is Jesus Christ - and it refers to His Thinking - He 'thought' and the Earth came into existence} has established/'laid the foundation of' the Earth. 19b~~By understanding, He has established the heavens. {Note: The universe's creation was the mental operation of His mind - His Omniscience combined then with his Omnipotence and the universe was created - and we have His Mind in writing - bible doctrine.} 20~~By His knowledge {the Omniscience of Jesus Christ} the waters are divided and the clouds drop down the dew. {Two idioms for prosperity under an agricultural society - rain - but what is the source of this prosperity? The thinking of God.} Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 03:12:01 PM {Verses 21-35: Impact of Bible Doctrine}
{Verses 21-22: Importance of Application of Doctrine - David to Solomon} 21a~~My son let not them {principals of bible doctrine} depart from your eyes. {Note: The 'eyes' have to do with perception and application of doctrine.} 21b~~Keep sound wisdom {tuwshiyah} and discretion/'common sense wisdom'/concentration. {m@zimmah - means focusing your thinking on 'something of value'} 22a~~So shall they {principals of doctrine} be life unto your soul {nephesh}. {Note: The real life of your soul is bible doctrine - it is more important than the air you breathe} 22b~~And grace/favor {chen} around your neck. {like jewelry - it hangs around you like a beautiful necklace - grace attracts} {Note: If you know doctrine, then you know that doctrine is your life. The only way to know God and His Character and His Essence and His Mind, His attitude, His concept, His plan, is by studying doctrine. Without doctrine 'love' is superficial. To really love someone, you need to know the real person first - their thinking. So if you have doctrine, God and His Word is your life - all other things are the 'details of your life'.} {Verses 23-26: Doctrine Produces Confidence} 23a~~Then you shall Walk in your Way 'with confidence'/securely {betach}. {Note: The 'Walk' is step by step through life - the confidence comes with knowledge of God's viewpoint.} {Note: Confidence is NOT a sin! Many will try to make it seem 'haughty' when someone shows confidence. They are applying their sins and weaknesses to the person who they are seeing and envying. Knowledge of doctrine provides confidence in all areas of their lives.} 23b~~And your foot shall not stumble. {Note: This has to do with coordination - when you have confidence you can Walk straight and tall and not stumble.} 24a~~When you lie down, you shall not be afraid. {Note: Only can be if you have doctrine in your soul and leave it up to the Lord to protect you - Faith Rest Technique} 24b~~Yes, you shall lie down, and your sleep shall be sweet. {Note: When David was fleeing his son Absalom who revolted against him, David lost everything (Psalm 4:8) yet he could lay down and sleep as they marched away from the city. When you have doctrine, no matter how great the disaster, you will be able to lie down and sleep peacefully.} 25a~~Be not afraid of catastrophe/'sudden fear'. 25b~~Neither of the plots of the wicked, when it {their plotting} comes. {Note: They do not always plot against you, but when they do, do not fear.} 26a~~For Jehovah/God shall be your confidence {kecel}. {Y@hovah actually is the verb 'to be' in absolute status quo - "I am . . . the Always Existing One" RBT says it is God the Son in view here} 26b~~And shall keep your foot from being trapped. {with doctrine to guide you, you do not step in a trap, pit, hole - you do what Doctrine teaches and you will avoid a lot of the pitfalls and snares in Satan's world} {Verses 27-31: The Relationships of Doctrine} 27~~'Withhold not'/'Do not restrain' good {divine good} from them to whom it is due/owed, when it is in the power of your hand to do. {Note: Only when in fellowship does God produce divine good through us - so first of all required is a mental attitude free of sins - that is the first thing we owe to fellow believers - to love them. And only under the power of the filling of God the Holy Spirit can we do this.} {Note: From Romans we learn that we are to owe no man except love - this is the principal of impersonally loving other believers based on the doctrine resident in your soul - who and what YOU are, not at all related to what they are.} {Avoid Mental Torture} 28~~Do not say to your neighbor, "Go away, and come again, and tomorrow I will give . . . when you have it 'by you'/'right then and there'. {Note: This is mental torture. You can help your fellow believer right then and there, but you put him to shame by making him come back and beg. Don't do it. A Greek proverb is 'a slow paced favor is a flavorless favor'.} {Respect the Privacy of Those in Your Periphery} 29~~Do not fabricate evil against your neighbor . . . seeing he dwells securely by you. {Note: Here a system of lies or some other way to downgrade your neighbor - the mind your own business principal.} 30~~Strive not with a man without cause, if he has done you no harm. {Note: This is the 'mind your own business' principal. Do not start trouble. Also fits for the revolutionist.} Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 03:13:26 PM 31a~Do not {intensively} envy { qana'}
the oppressor {'iysh}. {Note: Qana' here is the Piel intensive stem meaning a lack of being relaxed - behind all the bad relationships being covered is 'mental attitude'. And, 'iysh we know from the previous verse is the one who is a bully or does not mind his own business.} 31b~~And choose none of his Ways. {Note: Means do not 'retaliate' or bully back or spread rumors about him because he did about you.} 32a~~For the 'perverted one' {luwz} is abomination to Jehovah/God. {Note: The person who is minus Divine Viewpoint in his soul - no doctrine - is the perverted one. They can not Walk the righteous way of God if they do not know the righteous Way of God.} 32b~~But His secret is with the righteous {yashar}. {Note: His 'secret' is divine viewpoint - it is unknown to the unbeliever and the believer negative to the study of doctrine.} {Verses 33-35: Antithetical Distich Verses (In common but Opposite)} 33a~~The curse of Jehovah/God is on the house of the evil. {sin + arrogance = evil; and also, human good + arrogance = evil} {Note: The curse of God is most frightening thing in the world!} 22b~~But He blesses the dwelling 'where there is'/of 'imputed righteousness'/'the just' {tsaddiyq}. 34a~He {God} keeps on being caused to scorn/mock/ridicule {luwts - Hiphil imperfect} the scorner/ scoffer/'arrogant negative type' {luwts}. {luwts - means someone who is indifferent to something that is important} 34b~~But He gives grace to the humble {`anav}. {Note: This verse is quoted in James 4:6. David failed many, many times. He was a murderer. He was a rapist. He was guilty of the half-forgiveness of Absalom. But he always returned to doctrine. His mind was so loaded up with doctrine that his thinking was very close to divine viewpoint.} 35a~~The wise {chakam} will inherit honor/glory {SuperGrace blessings}. {Note: The spiritually mature believer is the 'wise' in spiritual terms. He is the one who learns doctrine and applies it to experience.} 35b~~But fools {k@ciyl} {those in the interlocking systems of arrogance + negative to doctrine} carry away dishonor/shame. {shame - that which brings his life to ruin} Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 03:32:35 PM 1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. One must remember that historical trends apply here (Isogogics), for without knowing historical trends, SOME of the things mentioned here are for the beginning of the church age......Pauls time, and does NOT pertain to us today. God has given all of His children at least one spiritual gift.....that is what is being spoken here....."Spiritual Gifts".......... I Corinthians Chapter 12 {{Relationship with the Holy Spirit verses 1-11} 1~~ ATTENTION! {new subject} Now concerning spiritual things {gifts}, brethren, I keep on desiring for you not to be stupid. {Note: If you do not know doctrine, you are spiritually stupid. An ignorant person does not know bible exists. A stupid person knows it is there but ignores it.} 2~~ You know that you were Gentiles, carried away face to face with these dumb idols, how so ever you were led astray. 3~~ Therefore, I cause you to understand . . . that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed . . . and that no one can say that Jesus is the Lord . . . but by the Holy Spirit. {Note: This means that while a believer is in fellowship and filled with the Spirit and under the control of the Holy Spirit . . . it is impossible to sin or call Jesus accursed. It also means that only believers in fellowhisp can truly call Jesus Christ - Lord.} {Differences . . . and the Holy Spirit} 4~~ Now there are diversities of {spiritual} gifts, but the same Spirit. {Note: The Holy Spirit gives everyone at least one spiritual gift at the point of salvation, but each gift is mixed with that person's personality and makes it a little different.} {Differences . . . and the Lord} 5~~ And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. {Note: We are still discussing spiritual gifts and how they are different. This time we are discussing areas of service. We do different things but have the same Lord.} {Differences . . . and God the Father} 6~~ And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God Who works all in all. {Note: We all operate under the Plan of God the Father that we are to follow. Administration, teaching, praying, giving, etc. These are all different for each believer, we all have the same God.} 7~~ But the manifestation of the Spirit {filling of the Spirit using their different personalities} is given to each one to profit for all {believers} on account of spirituality. {Some of the Spiritual Gifts are listed in verses 8 - 12} 8-10~~ For to one {believer} is given through the instrumentality of the Holy Spirit . . . the word of wisdom {1}. To another the word of knowledge {2} by the same Spirit. 9~~ To another {believer} the gift of faith {3} in the sphere of the operation of the Spirit {this was the Gift of Faith which was a miraculous temporary gift - 'mountains could be moved'.} To another the gifts of healing {4} by the same Spirit {this is 'gift' - plural. There were many types of healing powers that people had. It was a temporary gift given by God to evangelize the masses before the Canon of Scriptures was complete.}. 10~~ To another {believer}, the working of miracles {5}. {another temporary gift. No one has this gift anymore but God directly performs miracles.} To another prophecy {6} {this was the ability to accurately see what was to happen in the future. Again was necessary for books like Revelation to be completed.}. To another the gift of discerning spirits {7} {this is the Gift of being able to tell a true teacher of doctrine from a false teacher very quickly, once the Bible was completed, the true doctrine was now in writing.}. To another kinds of languages {8} {this gift was the ability to speak in a foreign language without studying or even knowing the language. This gift allowed people to evangelize people in their own language so they would understand.}. To another the gift of interpretation of languages {9} {when the person with the Gift of languages spoke, the evangelized gentiles would 'hear' in their own language the gospel, but the Jews would think the guy speaking was off base. This gift was to another person also not knowing the language, but could interpret for the other believers what the first person was saying so all would understand it was Biblically correct.} 11~~ But all these are energized by the One . . . and same . . . Holy Spirit . . . distributing to each one individually {referring to believers} as He will. {Body of Christ} 12~~ For as the body is one, and has many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body forever. So also is The Christ {The Church/Body of Christ}. {Note: With the definite article 'The', it refers to Christ and all members in union with him Positional Truth, union with Christ. 'Christ', without the definite article, refers to the person of Jesus.} {Mechanics of Positional Truth - Union with Christ} 13~~ For by the instrumentality of one Spirit are we all . . . once and for all . . . baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and, have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (cont) Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 03:33:56 PM {Problem of the Spiritual inferiority complex - all parts are important - Verses 14-31}
14~~ For the body is not one member . . . but many {parts}. 15~~ If the foot shall say - maybe it will, maybe it won't - "Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body". Is it {the foot} therefore not of the body? 16~~ And if the ear shall say, "Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body." Is it therefore not of the body? {Note: This is the same principal as verse 15.Brother ear, for example, may have a non-obvious gift such as helps or administration. Maybe brother eye's gift was an obvious gift of the day- tongues or miracles. Brother ear feels maybe he is not saved because he can not speak in tongues. Paul gives analog in next verse. All members are important.} 17~~ If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? 18~~ But now has God set the members every one of them in the body, as He desires. {Note: God the Holy Spirit distributes spiritual gift, at least one to each believer, as He wills. No one ever earns or deserves the gift he receives. Strictly a Grace process - based on Who and What God is - all the merit and Glory then goes to God, not to us- similar to salvation itself - by faith - it is a Gift of God, not of works lest any one should boast.} 19~~ And if they were all one member, where is the body? {Note: Say we were all a 'bunch of eyes', where would the body be? If everyone had the gift of healing, but no teachers or administrators where would we be? Balance is needed. Teamwork.} 20~~ But now are they many members but one body. 21~~And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you." Nor again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you." 22~~ No, much more those members of the body which seem to be more feeble {without apparent usefulness} are necessary. {Principal of Invisible Hero's in the Body of Christ} 23~~ And those members of the body, which we think to be not honored, upon these we bestow more abundant honor. And our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. {Note: Think how important is the digestive tract, yet if you got to chose the part you would be, who would be the intestines? But they are important.} 24~~ For our comely parts have no need {to be publicly displayed} but God has tempered the body together having given more abundant honor to that part which lacked {praise}. 25~~For the purpose that there should be no division/strife in the body. But that the members should have the same care one for another. 26~~And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it. Or, one member be honored, all the members rejoice with it. 27~~ Now you all are the body of Christ and members in it. {Spiritual Gifts listed in order of merit} 28~~ And God has appointed in the church: first Apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that powers {miracles - 4}, then gifts of healings {5}, helps {6}, administration {7}, and of tongues {8-speaking in a foreign language unknown to the speaker}. {Leadership/Communication Type Gifts} 29~~ Are all Apostles? No. Are all prophets? No. Are all teachers? No. Are all workers of miracles? No. {Temporary Gifts Used in a Spectacular Fashion to Evangelize before the Canon was Complete} 30~~ Have all the gifts of healing? No. Do all speak with tongues? No. Do all interpret? No. {The More Excellent Way} 31~~ But you all covet earnestly the best gifts, but I will demonstrate to you a more excellent way. {Note: The Corinthians all wanted the spectacular spiritual gifts. Paul will now explain to the 'more excellent way in Chapter 13 -the filling of the Holy Spirit . . . Agape love.} Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 03:47:02 PM Ha, ha......Ok people, slow down and breath, I am being bombarded with notifications. Ha! I am old and not as fast as I used to be, ha.
Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 04:22:00 PM The doctrine of the ministry
1. Greek synonyms of service. a) Douleuw which means to serve as a slave. b) Qerapeuw, which means to serve in a medical sense, medical practice. This is where we get the word “therapy.” c) Latreuw, which means to serve for wages. A bona fide system of service. d) Leitourgew, which refers to public service — police, military, government administration, etc. e) U(perterew, means to be helpful to someone. f) Diakonew, the verb. The noun is diakonia. One other is diakonoj. Sometimes this word is transliterated “deacon.” Sometimes it is translated “minister” and that is a good translation. 2. The usage of diakonoj and diakonia. There are five different uses in the Bible: a) The political use. This is for the head of a state in Romans 13:14. The word diakonoj is used once in the Bible for those who are in charge of a country. b) A general use. It is the universal ministry of every believer in the Church Age as a royal priest — 2 Corinthians 3:6; 4:1; 6:3,18. c) It is used of church administrators or deacons — Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy 3:8-13. Deacons administer the activities of the church, so it connotes administration. d) It is used in a specialised way for the pastor-teacher of the local church. It is used in the sense of his authority, his communication of the Word of God, and his policy-making — 1 Corinthians 3:5; Ephesians 3:7; Colossians 1:7, 23; 4:7; 1 Thessalonians 3:2; 1 Timothy 1:12; Hebrews 6:10; Acts 6:4. e) There is also an evil usage of the word in 2 Corinthians 11:15 where it is used for Satan’s ministers. This is a counterfeit of the local church concept and Satan uses his ministers in religion. 3. There are other words which identify the pastor-teacher or the minister of the local church. The function of the pastor-teacher is not religious, he is the teacher of the Word of God. It is his objective to so communicate doctrine that the royal priesthood under his jurisdiction in the local church will move to supergrace status which is the normal function of the priesthood and at which point the believer becomes spiritually self-sustaining. So we have three different words in addition. These three Bible words all indicate something different in the pastor-teacher. a) The first is the authority of his person. The Greek word is presbuteroj, often translated “elder.” It is found in 1 Timothy 5:17,19; Titus 1:5; James 5:14; 1 Peter 5:1. It always refers to the pastor, it does not refer to a church officer in the Bible. The distortion of this is to utilise this for a church officer. There is only one elder in a local church. The word means originally, “old man,” not in the sense of age but in the sense of title. It is a title of authority, it means the one in command of the local church. So this is the authority of his person. b) The authority of his policy. The Greek word for this is e)piskopoj. Unfortunately this is translated “bishop.” The reason for that is because of the Church of England and the translators being related to the Church of England who saw fit to translate this word (which means “inspector”) “bishop.” But actually it refers to the one who is an overseer, the one who has charge of observing what is going on, the one who sets up the policy for the workers on the plantation. So it comes to means the authority of his policy. Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy 3:2; Titus 1:7. c) The authority of his message is found in two words: pastor-teacher of Ephesians 4:11. The first word, poimhn, means shepherd. So shepherd-teacher would be a better translation. This had the connotation that the sheep need feeding and need to be led properly and the shepherd has to find food for them. This is the first part of it. Secondly, we have his function, didaskaloj which means to teach a group. This means that a pastor doesn’t have to run around and personally spend time with members of his congregation. 4. We also have some synonymous identification with these words. In Acts 20:17,28 we discover that all of these words are synonymous, referring to one person. In verse 17 the elders of Ephesus are called pastors in Acts 20:28. In this same context we have presbuteroj, e)piskopoj, and poimainw; they are told to feed the sheep, and all three of them are words used in the previous point. 5. The appointment of the pastor is described in 1 Corinthians 12:11,28. God the Holy Spirit sovereignly bestows this gift on the pastor-teacher apart from human merit. The appointment of the pastor has nothing to do with the people. No congregation makes a pastor, a pastor makes a congregation. A pastor makes a great congregation by sticking to his job of teaching the Word of God and not allowing any portion or any individual in the congregation to run over him. Ephesians 4:11 — the gift of the pastor-teacher is strictly a gift of the Holy Spirit, not of the individual involved. 6. The principle of the right pastor-teacher, right congregation is taught in 1 Peter 5:2. Every believer has a right pastor. Geography is usually the issue but there has to be a right pastor, your right pastor, the one who gets to you with doctrine, the one who causes you to be occupied with the person of Christ because you see who and what He is. 7. The authority of the right pastor is given in Hebrews 13:7,17; 1 Thessalonians 5:12. His authority is absolute. 8. The concept of the pastor as the total product of God’s grace is taught in 1 Corinthians 15:10; Ephesians 3:7; 1 Timothy 1:12-16. 9. The reward of the pastor — Hebrews 6:10; 1 Peter 5:4. 10. The biblical documentation for the existence of pastors: Colossians 1:23-29; 1 Timothy 2:24-26; 3:1-9; Titus 1:6-9; Ephesians 3:7-13. A minister is a male believer in a local congregation. As he grows spiritually he becomes aware of the existence inside of him of the residence of a spiritual gift. The spiritual gift was received at salvation. His awareness of the gift is based upon his daily intake of doctrine (after his own academic training has been accomplished through Seminary teaching) , the daily function of GAP (Grace Apparatus for Perception.....daily intake of bible doctrine) causes him to become aware of this gift. It is not an emotional thing although certainly he has the right to get emotional about it if he is enjoying what he is doing in life. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 04:56:43 PM The importance of Bible doctrine to the believer priest
Every believer is a member of the royal family and therefore he must have the right perspective with regards to doctrine. There are false concepts whereby people think they can read the Bible for themselves and grow up. You cannot read the Bible for yourself, you cannot memorise it and grow up. All of this requires the function of a pastor-teacher who is released for the sole objective of studying and teaching, studying and teaching. 1. By definition, what is doctrine? Bible doctrine is the content of the canon of scripture derived from exegesis, isogogics, and classification of promises, principles and categories. Bible doctrine is called the mind of Christ — 1 Corinthians 2:16. Bible doctrine is the Word as it is taught. In content it is simply whatever the content may be, a promise, a principle, or some axiom, some historical description or narrative, but when it is communicated it is called doctrine. 2. A vocabulary is necessary. Six words are used for doctrine in the scripture. a) The first is a Hebrew noun leqach. It means doctrine, learning, knowledge, i.e. what one receives into his mind or learns. This word is used for doctrine in Deuteronomy 32:2; Job 11:4; Proverbs 4:2; Isaiah 29:24. b) A second Hebrew noun is musar. It means instruction or doctrine. It means you have doctrine that you have taken in — Job 10:8; Proverbs 1;2; 4:13; 23:23. c) The Greek noun didaskalia means teaching or doctrine or what is taught from the scripture — Matthew 15:9; Ephesians 4:14; Colossians 2:22; 1 Timothy 1:10; for doctrine of demons in 1 Timothy 4:1; 1 Timothy 5:17; 6:1,3; 2 Timothy 3:10,16; 2 Timothy 4:3; Titus 1:9; 2:1,7,10. In other words, throughout the pastoral epistles, 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus, practically every time you see the word doctrine it refers to this noun didaskalia. d) The Greek noun didaxh is the act of teaching or what is taught from the scripture — Matthew 7:28; 22:33; Mark 1:22,27; Acts 2:42; 5:48; Romans 6:17; 16:17; 1 Corinthians 14:6,26; 2 Timothy 4:2; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 2:14,15,24. e) The Greek noun logoj which has numerous correct and accurate meanings. In Hebrews 6:1 it refers to doctrine. f) The Hebrew word shemuah means what is heard or doctrine — Isaiah 28:9. 3. Bible doctrine has a long history, a history that begins with God in eternity past — Proverbs chapter 8. Here is one passage that emphasises the importance of Bible doctrine. There is nothing more important in your life than doctrine as illustrated by this chapter in Proverbs. Proverbs 8 Verse 1 — “Does not wisdom call.” The word for wisdom here is chakmah — it is the equivalent of the Greek sofia and it refers to the application of e)pignwsij doctrine or metabolised doctrine to experience. Chakmah is e)pignwsij. Wisdom calling is the application of doctrine to experience; “and understanding lift up her voice?” Verse 2 — “On top of the high places on the street [doctrine was taught in city auditoriums], At intersections she takes a stand” — doctrine was taught outdoors in those days at places where people gathered. “She” refers to Bible doctrine. Verse 3 — “Beside the gates leading to the city, At the entrance she communicates aloud.” They often had small auditoriums at the gates of cities. Verse 4 — “To you, mankind, I call; And my voice [communication of doctrine] is to all mankind.” Verse 5 — “You who are ignorant, learn doctrine [learning, of course, must precede thinking]; You who are fools [referring to negative volition], learn the importance of understanding [the importance of application of doctrine]”. Verse 6 — “Hear [qal imperative from shamah — you have to hear, concentrate, listen], for I [doctrine] speak noble things; And the communication of my lips is virtue.” Verse 7 — “For my mouth [the personification of doctrine] communicates truth; For my lips detest evil.” Verse 8 — “All the words of my communication are integrity; Nothing is twisted or perverted in them.” [Twisting and reversion refers to false application of doctrine or misunderstanding of doctrine or the heresies that are passed for doctrine. If you are twisted in your understanding you are perverted in your thinking. If you are twisted in learning you are perverted in application.] Verse 9 — “To those who understand [the hiphil participle of the verb bin — causative active voice, which means we are caused to understand. This is the ministry of God the Holy Spirit.] they are all to the point, And perspicuous to those who have obtained knowledge [the qal active participle of the verb matsa — to find].” Verse 10 — “ Seize [laqach — to seize or to grab] my instruction, rather than silver [a matter of priorities]; And learning doctrine rather than choice gold.” Verse 11 — “For wisdom (teachability) is better than precious gems; And all desirable things cannot be compared with her [doctrine].” The results of doctrine: Verse 12 — “I wisdom have a lifestyle [once you begin to apply doctrine (thinking doctrine — once there is understanding then there is thinking) that develops a lifestyle] of prudence [amarmar — the ability to regulate and discipline one’s self to the exercise of reason and common sense. Reason is learning the principles and common sense is the application of it]. I find [or discover] knowledge and discernment [knowledge is understanding of doctrine; discernment is thinking or application of doctrine].” Verse 13 — “To respect the Lord is to hate evil: I [doctrine] hate arrogance and pride, and perverted speech.” Verse 14 — “Counsel and sound judgement belong to me [Note: You are not counselled by someone on the outside; you learn doctrine and a part of the application is to self. We apply doctrine toward God, toward people and toward self]: I have understanding and power [understanding is the noun binah — metabolised doctrine. Power — giborah, (strong and intrepid of soul) means application of doctrine].” (cont) Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 04:58:15 PM Verse 15 — “By me [Bible doctrine and the laws of divine establishment] kings rule [ruling is an application], And rulers make just laws [Application of establishment principles].”
Verse 16 — “By me princes govern, And all honourable judges of the land.” Verse 17 — “I [doctrine] love those who love me [for doctrine to love you, learning it and understanding it isn’t enough; it is understanding it and thinking doctrine or learning and applying doctrine. You begin to love doctrine, not by learning it, but by applying it. Love is an application of knowledge.]; And those who diligently seek me [the piel participle of shachar. The piel is the intensive stem and it means concentration. You learn by concentration but you also apply doctrine through concentration.] will find me.” Verse 18 — “With me are riches and honour [escrow blessings for time]; Enduring wealth and prosperity [escrow blessings for the eternal state].” Verse 19 — “My fruit [production] is better than pure and fine gold; And my profit better than the choicest silver.” Verse 20 — “I walk in the way of righteousness, along the path of virtue.” Verse 21 — “To give an inheritance [the hiphil infinitive construct from the verb nachal — to cause to inherit] to those who love me [doctrine], And I will make their treasuries full.” The dynamics of metabolised doctrine: Verse 22 — “The Lord possessed me [doctrine] at the beginning of his work, Before his deeds of old [in other words, doctrine was in the mind of God before the creation of the universe].” Verse 23 — “From eternity past I was established [the piel perfect of the verb nasak — I was poured in a mould. Established categorically would be a better translation. God thinks categorically (the C---in ICE) ! Absolute truth lends itself to categorical thinking; relative truth does not.] from the foundation of the earth.” Verse 24 — “When there were no oceans, I [doctrine] was already formed; When as yet there were no springs abounding with water.” Verse 25 — “Before the mountains were settled in place, Before the hills I [doctrine] was formed categorically:” Verse 26 — “Before he made planet earth, or its fields, Or the sum total of the dust of the earth.” Verse 27 — “When he established the heavens, I was there: When he marked out a horizon on the face of the deep:” Verse 28 — “When he made the skies above: When he restrained the fountains of the deep.” Verse 29 — “When he set the sea in its boundary, So that the water would not overflow his mandate: When he marked out the foundations of the earth:” Verse 30 — “The I [Bible doctrine] was with him, as a designer of the work [creation]: Rejoicing always in his presence [Bible doctrine perceived, metabolised, applied is the true source of happiness in the devil’s world]; Verse 31 — “rejoicing in the world, his earth; And having my delight in the human race.” Verse 32 — “Now therefore, human race, listen to me: Blessed [ashere - happiness] are those who guard my ways [the ways of doctrine].” You have to start with understanding: Verse 33 — “Hear instruction [understanding doctrine from your right pastor teacher] and become wise [thinking doctrine and/or application of doctrine], Do not neglect it.” Verse 34 — “Blessed [happiness] is the man who listens to me, Watching daily at my gates [the place of assembly worship], Waiting at my doors [when you really like it you wait for the doors to open].” Verse 35 — “For he who finds me [doctrine] finds capacity for life [But remember: capacity for life is not just learning doctrine, it is application of doctrine], And obtains grace from the Lord.” Verse 36 — “But he who misses me [Bible doctrine] injures himself: All who hate me [Bible doctrine] love the sin unto death.” Inevitably, the person who stays with doctrine is going to come to the place of sharing God’s happiness. No matter how much misery and disappointment along the way, if you stick with it you are going to end up with +H. 4. Bible doctrine was received under the function of GAP (Grace Apparatus for Perception) — 1 Corinthians 2. a) Bible doctrine received under the function of GAP produces confidence in phase two — Job 5:24-27; 2 Corinthians 5:6-8. b) Doctrine produces divine viewpoint in the right lobe — Isaiah 55:7-9; 2 Corinthians 10:5. c) It orients the believer to the plan of God — Isaiah 26:3,4; Romans 8:28. d) It produces stability of mind — James 1:8. e) It becomes the basis for divine guidance — Romans 12:2,3. f) It leads to occupation with Christ in the supergrace life — Hebrews 12:2,3. Therefore Bible doctrine is the only way to know and to love Jesus Christ — 1 Corinthians 2:16 cf. Philippians 3:10; Ephesians 3:19. 5. The communication of Bible doctrine in the Church Age is the function of the pastor-teacher. He is the communicator and therefore he has the responsibility for the local church — Hebrews 13:7; Ephesians 4:11-13; Colossians 1:25-29. 6. The plan of God is vindicated through Bible doctrine — Romans 3:4. 7. Without Bible doctrine Satan corrupts the mind of believers — 2 Corinthians 11:13. This is accomplished through the doctrine of demons infiltrating under conditions of reversionism — 1 Timothy 4:1 (more) Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 04:59:50 PM 8. Doctrine is the basis for deliverance in phase two — 1 Timothy 4:16.
The importance of Bible doctrine 1. Bible doctrine is the content of the Word of God. It is the communication of the Word of God. Doctrine is the communication of Bible subjects on the basis of the exegesis of the original languages or an analysis and classification of the English text. Doctrine simply means what is taught or Bible teaching. Doctrine therefore refers to the transfer of Bible subjects from the passage of the Word of God by the pastor-teacher to your individual soul as a member of the royal family of God. 2. The word doctrine does occur as a part of Bible nomenclature. We have both Hebrew and Greek words to indicate this fact. A popular word in the Hebrew is the noun emeth which means doctrine and is generally translated that way, though sometimes it is translated simply “truth” — Psalm 31:5. It emphasises true doctrine in contrast to false doctrine if Proverbs 22:21; Psalm 25:5; 26:3; 86:11. Probably one of the most important words is Bible doctrine in the soul under the Hebrew word chakmah. It is the same as the Greek e)pignwsij and it refers to doctrine which is in the soul and therefore usable — Psalm 8:1. A third word is the word shemuah which also means doctrine or what is heard. It emphasises doctrine from the standpoint of concentration — Isaiah 28:9. It refers to the function of GAP with emphasis on the concentration of the believer. A fourth noun in the Hebrew is leqach which is translated ‘doctrine’ but it really means the poise, the self-discipline which is necessary to consistently assimilate doctrine and to fulfill the tactical objective of victory in the spiritual life — Deuteronomy 32:2; Job 11:4; Proverbs 4:2; Isaiah 29:24. Then there is musar which has the connotation of the communication of doctrine with emphasis on the disciplinary aspect of learning. In the Greek there are basically four words or derivative systems which present the concept of doctrine. The derivatives of the verb ginwskw, which means to learn or to know, to comprehend, are quite a number. It means intelligent comprehension of an object or matter, therefore it means perception. Gnosis is taken from that verb — Bible doctrine taken into the left lobe, the objective understanding of the doctrine. When it is transferred into the human spirit and then up into the right lobe or the heart it is called e)pignwsij. There are other words like prognwsij which refers to doctrine in the mind or to doctrine understood by the omniscient God in eternity past. It is doctrine which existed before time. It is the concept that doctrine has always existed whether it was written or not, for doctrine is the thinking of God, there never was a time when doctrine did not exist. There is an adjective which emphasises the potentiality of learning doctrine — gnostoj. It is also a word which means “doctrinal” in the adjective form — Romans 1:19. Then there is a word in Acts 26:3, gnosthj, which means an expert in doctrine. A second area of Greek words is logoj which means speech, word, thinking, and doctrine. In Hebrews 6:1 logoj means doctrine. A third Greek area is didaxh which means the act of teaching or what is taught — Matthew 7:28; 22:33; Mark 1:22; 1 Corinthians 14:6; 2 Timothy 4:2; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 2:14. There is another word, didaskalia, which is used for what is taught or doctrinal teaching — Matthew 15:9; Titus 1:9; 2:7,10,11. 3. Bible doctrine is the heritage or the legacy of the royal family of God — Psalm 138:2. The word “worship” here is the hithpael [reflexive] imperfect of shachah, and the reflexive concept means your own individual relationship with the Lord expressed in terms of worship, and it demands Bible doctrine in the soul. It should be translated “I myself will worship.” “toward the temple of your holiness” — this refers to heaven as the real holy of holies; the word “praise” is in the hiphil stem of jadah and it has the concept of celebration because of real appreciation; the word “for” is a causal waw meaning “because”; and the word “loving-kindness” is chesedh meaning ‘grace.’ It should be translated “and celebrate your person because of your grace.” Grace is the basis for true celebration. “and for thy truth” — the word emeth means doctrine. So there are two reasons for celebration: grace and doctrine. “because you have magnified” — the hiphil perfect of gadal which means to magnify to the utmost; “thy word” — doctrinal teaching; “above your reputation” — more important than the reputation of God is the doctrine of God is what this passage is saying. Translation: “I myself will worship toward the temple of your holiness [heaven], and celebrate your person [the supergrace believer occupied with Christ] because of your grace and because of your doctrine; because you have magnified your doctrinal teaching over your reputation.” Doctrinal communication is the means of glorifying God, has always been the means of tactical victory in the angelic conflict. Doctrinal teaching (ICE) is the means of establishing residency of doctrine in the soul. Maximum resident doctrine means not only supergrace status but the normal function of the royal priesthood of the believer in this dispensation. 4. Our heritage of doctrine was perpetuated by the Lord Jesus Christ in His dying words on the cross. The seventh and last recorded utterance of the Lord was mentioned in His dying breath where He made doctrine the spiritual legacy of the royal family. By comparing Luke 23:46 with Psalm 31:5 we have exactly what our Lord said: “Into your hands, O Father, I deposit my spirit; for you have delivered me, O Jehovah, God of doctrine.” The last phrase indicates that He was delivered in His humanity buy the doctrine resident in His own soul. (almost done) Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 05:01:01 PM 5. Bible doctrine preexisted the human race. Proverbs 8 records how Bible doctrine was with God in eternity past before the creation of the universe.
6. Therefore attitude toward doctrine determines whether the believer is blessed or disciplined in time — Proverbs 8:33-36. 7. Therefore doctrine is the basis for the distribution of supergrace blessings. The daily function of GAP means maximum doctrine in the soul. This is following the colours to the high ground of supergrace, and is the subject of Isaiah 53:12. The plunder of victory is paragraph SG2, supergrace blessings in time. “The many” anticipates the royal family of God in time; “the great ones” are the supergrace believers of the royal family. 8. Doctrine is the basis for the distribution of surpassing grace blessings in eternity. This is determined by comparing Hebrews 11:9,10 with verse 13, or James 1:25 with 2:12,13. 9. There is a principle that comes out of this. For the believer who reaches supergrace Bible doctrine is more real than empirical knowledge — 2 Peter 2:12-21. If there is a conflict between what you see, what you hear, what you smell, what you taste, or what you think and what Bible doctrine says, Bible doctrine is more real and Bible doctrine is right. Bible doctrine is the criterion for the royal family of God. 10. Lack of Bible doctrine destroys a nation — Hosea 4:1-6. 11. Bible doctrine is part of the principle of living grace for phase two. Under living grace God provides spiritual and temporal factors to keep you alive in time. 12. The plan of God is both advanced and vindicated through Bible doctrine. Psalm 51:4. 13. The pastor or communicator of doctrine establishes the balance of residency in the soul of the believer. 14. Therefore the importance of the consistency in the function of GAP — Hebrews 10:25. A warning about negative volition is given in Hebrews 10:35. Perseverance of positive volition is taught in Hebrews 10:36; Colossians 2:6,7. 15. The results of doctrine resident in the soul are several: a) Doctrine produces confidence in life — Job 5:24-27; 2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Hebrews 10:35. b) Doctrine produces the divine viewpoint of life and therefore mental attitude dynamics — Isaiah 55:7-9; 2 Corinthians 10:5. c) Bible doctrine orients the believer to the plan of God — Isaiah 26:3,4; Romans 8:28. d) Bible Doctrine produces stability of soul — James 1:8. e) Bible doctrine is the basis for divine guidance and the execution of the will of God — Romans 12:2,3. f) Bible doctrine leads to occupation with Christ and maximum capacity for category #1 love — Philippians 3:10; Ephesians 3:19; Hebrews 12:2,3. g) Bible doctrine attains and holds the supergrace status — Philippians 3:12-14. h) Bible doctrine attains surpassing grace blessing for eternity — Hebrews 11:9,10,13; James 1:25 cf. 2:12,13. 16. The synonyms for Bible doctrine resident in the soul. a) The central control synonym — Ephesians 6:10. “Be strong in the Lord by means of the inner rule [resident doctrine] of his endowed power.” b) The crucifixion synonym — Matthew 10:38; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23; 14:27: “Take up your cross and follow me.” To pick up or take up your cross means to run counter to what people are usually doing in your day, to run counter to what your family thinks, etc. c) The priestly synonym — Hebrews 13:10, the construction of the altar in the soul. d) The building synonym — Ephesians 4:12,16, the construction of the ECS (Edification Complex of the Soul). e) The theological synonym — James 4:6, supergrace. f) The military synonym — Ephesians 6:11. g) Language synonyms (see point 2). h) The time synonym — redeeming the time, Ephesians 5:16-18. i) The salt synonym — Matthew 5:13; Mark 9:50; Luke 14:34; Colossians 4:6. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 02, 2006, 06:39:35 PM Quote You cannot read the Bible for yourself, you cannot memorise it and grow up. All of this requires the function of a pastor-teacher who is released for the sole objective of studying and teaching, studying and teaching. So it is worthless to study the Bible? On proverbs 3:5 I see that you posted a lot of information of what men think that the words of the entire chapter means in English but you still did not answer my question completely. Where does understanding come from? I'll give you a hint: It is not from the Bible nor is it from man explaining what the Bible says. Mat 13:13-16 Eph 1:8-18 Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Shammu on August 02, 2006, 07:23:31 PM Quote I do understand what you are saying, what I am trying to say is I do not, nor will ever believe what you guys believe regarding pastor teachers, I know what the bible say's all about them. I have seen both sides of the coin, and I know which side is real and true. There is a reason for acedemic training and teachings, until you have listened to what I have listened to you cannot say, for the proof is in the writings, the proof is in the teachings. I ran across this very same subject matter with christians for years, and I just say to myself "They do not understand!" That is where I leave it. With this linssue, you are judging others. Have you ever read any of my Bible studies?? I will almost lay odds, you haven't. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 11:36:37 PM So it is worthless to study the Bible? On proverbs 3:5 I see that you posted a lot of information of what men think that the words of the entire chapter means in English but you still did not answer my question completely. Where does understanding come from? I'll give you a hint: It is not from the Bible nor is it from man explaining what the Bible says. Mat 13:13-16 Eph 1:8-18 Ok, I will tell you like it is. Being filled with the spirit, and at that time what we learn from the spirit is; ....... patience, forgiveness, love, agape and phileo love, not gossiping, not maligning, being considerate, understanding all of the things that makes us grow in the relam of love etc., etc., etc. We do everything oppisite when carnal. Now if I have a human IQ of (lets pretend) 110 in carnality, then I name my sins 1 John 1:9 (rebound), now I am in fellowship and am working with spiritual IQ now. Just because the spirit is no longer being grieved does not mean my IQ has gone up to 150. The spirit teaches us the things of the spirit, the supernatural things, it does NOT make us smarter in "All of the sudden we know exactly what every word in the bible means according to the original languages!" The spirit does not work that way, even a babe in christ know's this....we all of the sudden don't become this super genius and are all of the sudden academicaly smarter any greater then when we were carnal. We can say we learn from the spirit, of course we do, but "THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT," we do not learn the acedemic things at any greater rate or understanding then we did before in sin. If we choose to learn academically, this takes positive volition on our part, being filled so it can become epignosis doctrine, this is where the spirit comes in acedemically, IT transfers the doctrine into epignosis this is the learning and the teaching that the spirit gives us. So you don't like what I have said about all should know ICE to better understand the words of the Lord, if you think you can LEARN any better without the bible then throw it away. I will stick to what I KNOW is true, from THE ANCIENT WORDS of God. I am getting very tired of christians that do not have the acedemic training coming down on me for having it. I could show you scripture after scripture and you would still believe the way you do now because your negative volition will not allow even the possiblity of even investigating. I am not upset with you or anybody if they choose to do it there way, I DON"T CARE!, it is none of my business You have read what I posted, and if you don't agree, then DON"T agree, but I am sorely tired of going around and around, giving scripture on scripture on scripture, been there done that and I will (free will ) NO LONGER do it! This has become so very OLD. The only one in this life we have to justify ourselves to is the Lord (unless we're married). I am moving on from this topic with you, for you do not want to know, not really. Our emotions and volition often gets in the way of the truth and I am too tired to continue with you. "We must decrease and HE must increase." The Lord bless you and keep you.......I love all of my fellow believers, and the way they worship is TRULY between them and the Lord, I do not wish to step on anyone's toes, that is not my job nor my wish. Grace and Peace........ Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 11:52:41 PM The I.C.E. Principle
I.C.E. is an acronym made up of the three concepts; "Isogogics"; Study of historical subjects pertaining to scripture. "Categorical": Individual doctrines. "Exegesis": Interpreting the scriptures, from the original, in the old languages. Most Christians have never heard of these practices in relation to Bible teaching, and the vast majority of the clergymen in America deign to either acquire the weighty academic training, nor engage in such exhaustive scriptural analysis, to benefit their congregations. They subscribe to the popular ethic of the day; programs, social groups, counseling and entertainment. Most ministers read commentaries of other theologians and pass them on to their churches, but have not had an original thought for years. It may surprise the reader to learn that I.C.E. was once common in America, not the acronym, but the principles. Today very few seminaries even teach these subjects in context, and prepare students to dig out the substance of God's Word on their own, without depending on extraneous sources. The purpose for this process should be crystal clear; to prevent the perpetuation of erroneous translations and bogus concepts that have been handed down for generations. Institutionalized religions all suffer from this malaise, which is the primary reason that God ordained independent local churches that operate autonomously of any authority higher than the Pastor. When I allude to a "prepared Pastor" I refer to a man with an extensive education in the Koine Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic languages, in addition to a minor in ancient history and four years in a seminary to learn his theology. The men who are willing to undergo this rigorous regimen are few and far between. No professional field is so demanding as the ministry, with the few exceptions of perhaps brain surgery or nuclear physicist. From the standpoint of importance, however, the teaching of God's Word is by far the most critical pursuit in the human race, for by it we are drawn near to God and trained in the spiritual skills that comprise the victorious spiritual life. The Communication Gift Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Eph 4:8, 11 & 12 The words "pastor and teacher" are mistranslated in this passage. The "and" is the Greek hendiades, or hyphen, which links two words into a single concept. "Pastor" is the word for authority, thus linking the principles of leadership and instruction in one function, with one purpose... to "edify the body of Christ", which is one of the many terms used to describe the believers in the Church Age. The "body" refers, more specifically, to us as the future "Bride of Christ", the body being the betrothed before ritual cleansing, and the bride being acceptable to the groom, bathed and dressed in spotless raiment. The Pastor-Teacher's role is one of enlightenment, which demands his complete devotion. He is given the gift by The Holy Spirit, Whom assigned to each of us a spiritual gift at salvation. Please note, the Pastor-Teacher is not the manager of a lonely hearts club, a marriage counselor, psychologist or babysitter. God the Holy Spirit delegated every gift that fills the needs of the independent local church; Administration; given to men who are called to serve as deacons, with skills in accounting (The Pastor never get's involved with money), organization, leadership, and the other requirements of the church as they may be necessary. There is a gift of refreshments, uplifting commentary which is designed to stimulate the resident doctrine in the believer's soul, but not necessarily teach. This gift excites the emotion as an "appreciator" of God's Word. There is the gift of helps that calls believers to care for others, visit them in the hospital, or fulfill some other need. There is a gift of prayer, the vital skill of prolonged petition for the Pastor, the congregation, the nation, etc. But the Pastor-Teacher devotes his full energies to studying and teaching, digging out the mysteries of God's Word and imparting them to his "flock" in an academic setting. Not elaborate rituals, no social engineering, programs, entertainment committees. The congregation meet to sit silently and hear the Word, themselves filled with The Holy Spirit, and deposit the Mind of Christ in their souls. (cont) Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 02, 2006, 11:53:49 PM Isogogics
The first law of Hermeneutics, the science of Biblical criticism, is that the Word must be examined in the light of the historical setting in which it was written; the prevailing social conditions, culture, idiom, and historical events. Much of the meaning of the original canon is only gleaned by an extensive knowledge of history. Take Paul's analogy the "full armor of God", for example. Paul was well versed in Roman military tradition and equipment, as he was under house arrest for 3 years, all told. He taught the Christian spiritual life in this analogy, comparing each article of the Roman uniform and battle dress to an aspect of the Christian life. Any Pastor who teaches this subject accurately must be conversant in Roman culture. Categories As the Pastor progresses through a passage he will encounter major doctrines which are referred to in passing, such as Soteriology, the doctrine of the work of Christ. He must pause, in such a case, and give the congregation the detailed doctrine, propitiation, redemption, sanctification, then proceed on. In this way the flock under his ministry assimilate the Word gradually until they have completed the Mind of Christ in their souls. Exegesis The Pastor spends thousands of hours pouring over the original texts of the scripture, the dead sea scrolls, Codex Aleph, and many other writings discovered over the centuries. His knowledge of the languages in which the autograph was written is absolutely NECESSARY to "rightly divide the Word of Truth". The English language is a very poor instrument of expression compared to the Koine Greek of Alexander's time. The Greek language is an inflective, rather than a reflective language, and can say more in one sentence that English can in a paragraph. There were also many dialects of Greek used in various passages of the Bible; Doric, Classical, Koine, and others. The Pastor must master them all. Idiom also played a major role in scriptural composition. In this context, the meaning of most early colloquialisms has been obscured, almost lost, but ardent study can still find and apply them. Many subtle nuances of scripture are only revealed by a knowledge of idiom. This then is the system that God ordained for the "edifying of the body of Christ", not massive worldwide religions, impressive ceremonies that mean nothing, stained glass cathedrals and golden chalices. These are the accoutrements of human splendor, but they are meaningless to God. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 03, 2006, 04:56:50 AM Ok, I will tell you like it is. Ok sister, I too will tell you how it is. I AM NOT putting down the method of ICE. In fact I am telling you that I think it is a great way to study the Bible. If you are going to continue to try to teach others then you need to ask the Lord for patience in dealing with and in answering those that do not necessarily understand what is being said and be ready to answer thewir questions in a manner that they can understand. You do not give meat to someone that is barely able to handle milk. That is the essence of ICE .... to be able to better explain the word of God. I am not saying this to put you down but rather in love as a brother that is trying to help you out. Quote we do not learn the acedemic things at any greater rate or understanding then we did before in sin. This part I do disagree with somewhat. We should not put such restrictions on the Holy Spirit. He will open our eyes and reveal things to us as he determines that we need to know in accordance to God's will. If His purpose for us is to know a certain thing then He will improve our ability to learn that thing. This is what I was saying about those that are educationally handicapped. A person not able to learn academically until the Spirit opens their eyes to it. No we don't become super genius' but we do see things and learn things that we could not do so before. Quote IT transfers the doctrine into epignosis this is the learning and the teaching that the spirit gives us. Not IT but rather He transfers Biblical knowledge into understanding of this knowledge or as the Bible says "opens our eyes". Quote So you don't like what I have said about all should know ICE to better understand the words of the Lord, if you think you can LEARN any better without the bible then throw it away. This is not what I was saying. I was saying that the Bible, even in it's English version, is worthy of study. As we are told ...... "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" No, the Bible should not be "thrown away" and that includes the English versions, Spanish versions, and all other language versions. Quote I am moving on from this topic with you, for you do not want to know, not really. Our emotions and volition often gets in the way of the truth and I am too tired to continue with you. "We must decrease and HE must increase." The Lord bless you and keep you.......I love all of my fellow believers, and the way they worship is TRULY between them and the Lord, I do not wish to step on anyone's toes, that is not my job nor my wish. I am sorry that you feel that way as I believe that people can learn greatly from you as long as you have the patience to answer their questions and amplify on the portions that they do not understand, the portions that the Spirit has not opened their eyes on. Sometimes this requires putting things in words they can assimilate, not just cut and paste the ICE doctrine, an interchabge, a conversation if you will. As you even said someone to quide them through the material and not just read it on their own. For some do not learn just by reading. As I said before I am interested in the ICE method. I am currently going through the materials on the link that you provided and I have been learning. Sister, may the Lord bless you in your efforts and use you according to His purposes. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Amorus on August 03, 2006, 09:57:36 AM I'll try to chime in again, if no one minds. I think this is an excellent discussion, but please, it does not do anyone any good to make a point by stating such things as quoted below. I think there is a lot to be learned from this discussion. Academically I feel we should challenge new ideas, regardless of how old they are to the person who is trying to support them. If you feel that one must have a certain background to challenge these thoughts, then by all means say so. But please post that in the beginning of your lesson so those whose paper qualifications, who you feel are not up to par, do not post their thoughts. And Sister, since you have the academic background, I probably would have figured your thoughts would be challenged. I remember in my own study a very important person quoted "the wise man questions the wisdom of others because he questions his own, the foolish man because it is different from his own." No, not a biblical quote, and maybe a bit philosophical, but one I remembered for a long time. Yes, the deeper we dive into academics the more "dissertations" we must defend, regardless of who is asking the questions. Sister, may you never grow tired of learning about or discussion the Lord. Peace to all of you and above all else, blessings!
-Am- Quote So you don't like what I have said about all should know ICE to better understand the words of the Lord, if you think you can LEARN any better without the bible then throw it away. I will stick to what I KNOW is true, from THE ANCIENT WORDS of God. I am getting very tired of Christians that do not have the academic training coming down on me for having it. I could show you scripture after scripture and you would still believe the way you do now because your negative volition will not allow even the possibility of even investigating. I am not upset with you or anybody if they choose to do it there way, I DON"T CARE!, it is none of my business You have read what I posted, and if you don't agree, then DON"T agree, but I am sorely tired of going around and around, giving scripture on scripture on scripture, been there done that and I will (free will ) NO LONGER do it! This has become so very OLD. The only one in this life we have to justify ourselves to is the Lord (unless we're married). I am moving on from this topic with you, for you do not want to know, not really. Our emotions and volition often gets in the way of the truth and I am too tired to continue with you. "We must decrease and HE must increase." The Lord bless you and keep you.......I love all of my fellow believers, and the way they worship is TRULY between them and the Lord, I do not wish to step on anyone's toes, that is not my job nor my wish. Grace and Peace........[/size] Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 03, 2006, 10:14:53 AM Ok sister, I too will tell you how it is. I AM NOT putting down the method of ICE. In fact I am telling you that I think it is a great way to study the Bible. If you are going to continue to try to teach others then you need to ask the Lord for patience in dealing with and in answering those that do not necessarily understand what is being said and be ready to answer their questions in a manner that they can understand. You do not give meat to someone that is barely able to handle milk. That is the essence of ICE .... to be able to better explain the word of God. I am not saying this to put you down but rather in love as a brother that is trying to help you out. Grace and peace to you......I have a multitude of patience, for someone that really wants to know, always have. But I am sorry your post's do not come out that way. Like I said I have been down this road so very many times, and I do not believe the Lord's word has to be justified. The Lord also say's "walk away after the second admonition (can't remember the verse, but I'll find it)." I have decades of learning and this is so VERY involved you have no idea, there are things I can never tell you because I am just a student, a women, and certainly do not have the gift. Like I said, it is EXTREMELY involved. You just seem to rebuke everything I post, so I decided to give up, which is scriptural. This part I do disagree with somewhat. We should not put such restrictions on the Holy Spirit. He will open our eyes and reveal things to us as he determines that we need to know in accordance to God's will. If His purpose for us is to know a certain thing then He will improve our ability to learn that thing. This is what I was saying about those that are educationally handicapped. A person not able to learn academically until the Spirit opens their eyes to it. No we don't become super genius' but we do see things and learn things that we could not do so before. You mentioned nothing of educationally handicapped in any of your post's, just rebuking you see. The Holy Spirit teaches us nothing that is against our free will, if we don't want it then He is a gentlemen and also walks away, and just continues to tap His foot. He has given much informational truth here about pastor teacher's, but He has also read the post's and see's the negativity. I know that you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make them drink, the same with doctrine, even the Lord doesn't force it on us, and neither will I. Not IT but rather He transfers Biblical knowledge into understanding of this knowledge or as the Bible says "opens our eyes". This is the epignosis I have been talking about. Yes He does, IF we are open to it. Often He will do it with a swift kick up the backside. This is not what I was saying. I was saying that the Bible, even in it's English version, is worthy of study. As we are told ...... "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" No, the Bible should not be "thrown away" and that includes the English versions, Spanish versions, and all other language versions. I have a forty year old bible that is in shreds, I will never throw it away,...... that was a medifore. Yes but English wasn't spoken then, and none of them spoke English....."This is my whole point"! Do you have any idea how the languages have changed throughout the century's?, that is why the bible MUST be taught from the ancient languages, IN the time in which it was written, because so VERY MUCH has been lost and mis-translated, this is my entire point. I do not trust the English bible's for learning, it has the basics and that is all, I WANT the EXACT words, not some watered down version, nor the totally wrong interpretation of it. I want to live inside of the Lord's head and heart, therefore I HAVE to know the exact words, I cannot settle for less, or I will not settle for less, He is way too important to me. I am sorry that you feel that way as I believe that people can learn greatly from you as long as you have the patience to answer their questions and amplify on the portions that they do not understand, the portions that the Spirit has not opened their eyes on. Sometimes this requires putting things in words they can assimilate, not just cut and paste the ICE doctrine, an interchangeable, a conversation if you will. As you even said someone to quide them through the material and not just read it on their own. For some do not learn just by reading. I have loads of patience, but I am very objective also (which we all need to be) and I will not intrude on anyone's privacy of the priesthood, there is MUCH said about privacy from the bible, and "I" will respect the written word. I will only give so much, especially if the person show's sign's of negativity, then the holy spirit will take over, IF the person let's him? This is why I walked away, not from the lack of patience or love for that matter. By the way every single thing I have posted comes from my folders, originally taken from my handndwritten notes, that also many (my congregation) have taken down from our teachings of the originals over the decades. We have spent thousands, upon thousands, upon thousands of hours in listening and study and taking notes, then we all transferred our handwritten notes (typed them), and we all put them together categorically and we have our own private folder where we have transferred these decades of notes to it, and we all use this info. to pass on to others and of course for ourselves. They are copied and pasted after we have typed them in from our own notes, but they are all our's, from our academic study, and there is over 50 years of study in our private folder. As I said before I am interested in the ICE method. I am currently going through the materials on the link that you provided and I have been learning. Like you said and it is true a baby cannot eat meat, a person must start with the basics in doctrine which is supplied by my church. I am certainly not the one to teach it. Sister, may the Lord bless you in your efforts and use you according to His purposes. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 03, 2006, 10:27:54 AM I'll try to chime in again, if no one minds. I think this is an excellent discussion, but please, it does not do anyone any good to make a point by stating such things as quoted below. I think there is a lot to be learned from this discussion. Academically I feel we should challenge new ideas, regardless of how old they are to the person who is trying to support them. If you feel that one must have a certain background to challenge these thoughts, then by all means say so. But please post that in the beginning of your lesson so those whose paper qualifications, who you feel are not up to par, do not post their thoughts. And Sister, since you have the academic background, I probably would have figured your thoughts would be challenged. I remember in my own study a very important person quoted "the wise man questions the wisdom of others because he questions his own, the foolish man because it is different from his own." No, not a biblical quote, and maybe a bit philosophical, but one I remembered for a long time. Yes, the deeper we dive into academics the more "dissertations" we must defend, regardless of who is asking the questions. Sister, may you never grow tired of learning about or discussion the Lord. Peace to all of you and above all else, blessings! Am- A very important doctrine must be applied here, the PRIVACY of the priesthood, and when there is too much negativity, we are COMMANDED to walk away, and that is what I did, for I saw nothing but opposition. I have loads of patience, but I am also smart enough to go about my own business too. The Lord's doesn't like fools (anthropopathism) that continually takes opposition, for even he can't force feed. Grace and Peace to you.....- Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Amorus on August 03, 2006, 10:40:37 AM Very well Sister,
Grace and peace to you as well! (and yes, I do mean that sincerely) :) -Am- Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 03, 2006, 12:40:22 PM Quote You mentioned nothing of educationally handicapped in any of your post's, just rebuking you see. I see that you didn't read all of my posts then because I did ..... post # 45 in this thread. Quote Do you have any idea how the languages have changed throughout the century's? Yes I do. I have studied linguitics quite thoroughly. They have changed tremendously just in the time from when the scriptures were first written up to the time of the oldest manuscripts that we have available. Quote Like you said and it is true a baby cannot eat meat, a person must start with the basics in doctrine which is supplied by my church. I am certainly not the one to teach it. I am not new to studying the Scriptures in the ancient languages. I have done so for many, many years. Am I proficient in it? ... I am sure that there are many that are more so than I. If you were to check back through some of my posts on here you would see that. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 03, 2006, 03:21:29 PM I see that you didn't read all of my posts then because I did ..... post # 45 in this thread. I have noticed with this site too that I also should have mentioned, that I do not recieve all the notifications when someone posts, so forgive me then, for that was one I did not recieve. Grace and peace..... Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 03, 2006, 03:23:56 PM Very well Sister, Grace and peace to you as well! (and yes, I do mean that sincerely) :) -Am- Thank you and I know you do, and ditto back at you. :) Grace and Peace..... Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 03, 2006, 03:32:27 PM I have noticed with this site too that I also should have mentioned, that I do not recieve all the notifications when someone posts, so forgive me then, for that was one I did not recieve. Grace and peace..... Sounds like a problem that we haven't been told about yet. We'll have to look into that. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 03, 2006, 05:01:04 PM With this linssue, you are judging others. Have you ever read any of my Bible studies?? I will almost lay odds, you haven't.
[/quote] We are not to judge other's maliciously with sin in our souls, which I have not done, but we are commanded to discern. From some the comments here, when ya all talked to each other, there were negative remarks made about my post, and that is fine, but it did happen. People have that right, that is a God given right, that is a part of our so precious freedom. My freedom to post it and your freedom do not agree. So you see I felt I was getting nowhere and I never want it to be said that I push my doctrines onto anyone. We are to give the doctrine, then the holy spirit in that person (when filled) takes the doctrine and hopefully puts it in the soul as epignosis, it is not our jobs as a Christian family to cause to make each other believe. Do you understand what I am saying? This is the holy spirit's job, not our's. I LOVE talking about the Lord and sharing, I love it. Maybe the wordings here just need to more explanatory when we are going back and forth with verses?! Yes I have read some of your post's in bible study, and I thought they were pretty sound. This is the dispensation for pastor teachers. They are God's gift to us and I for one honor that gift. 1 Cor.2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment." To discern good from evil. Heb 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil." Here are some comments made, this is why I just decided to give up............... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm sorry I disagree, some are born natural Pastors. Without any schooling from colleges, who teach the Bible, not the doctrine of man. This verse shows that there are to be more than one elder that rules and not all of them necessarily to preach. Not all of the Apostles were considered elders and yet they all were also teachers. A degree may make a good theologian but does not necessarily make a good teacher or preacher. The Holy Spirit does. AMEN brother, AMEN!! Nope you need to try again. Being a Pastor doesn't mean having to be a theologian. You have to go to college to learn that linssue. Being a theologian is someone who is learned in theology, or who speculates (<--magic word there) about theology. Sorry I tell it like it is, straight from the Bible. In your opinion perhaps but not according to scripture. I have met many pastor/teachers and those that are just teachers that have a far better understanding of God's word without knowledge of the original language than many of those Theologians that have an excellent grasp of Hebrew and Greek. I personally know of a young man of 10 years of age that could put many a Pastor or Theologian to shame in his knowledge of God's word. He has never had any such training yet he can explain to you in words not normally used by a 10 yr old and does so quite accurately. Yes, I question that also since I am currently going through this material. I am definitely not afraid of it although I am now seriously starting to question the teachings that go with it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No positives here. I listen to the Lord when He commands me, His child, to step aside. These verses are NOT meant to be taken personally, so please don't, but the messages are profound for all of us to heed. When God orders me to do something I had better do it, for I don't like it when I get spanked, and deservedly so. Titus 3: 9~~ But avoid: stupid controversial things {social reforms contrary to the Bible}, and genealogies {doctrines neutralized by human viewpoint}, and contentions {liberalistic ideas}, and strivings and contentions relating to the law . . . for they are useless {to the Christian life} and vain. 10~~ A man that is a heretic {harbors factions because he harbors false views} . . . after the first and second admonition . . . REJECT! {Note: This is the principal in dealing with people in false doctrine. Give the correct doctrine to them. Give it to them a second time. If they continue to reject sound doctrine, separate yourself from their false doctrine {when you reject Bible doctrine you condemn yourself.}} 2 Tim 2: 23~~ But be excusing yourself from {avoid} foolish and undisciplined/'ignorant controversies' knowing they give birth to useless battles. 24-26~~ NOW, the slave of the Lord {pastor- teacher} must not be contentious/belligerent, but he must keep on having gracious objectivity face to face with all {the entire congregation}, skillful/able in teaching, persistent in spite of evil, 25~~ in grace orientation {praiotes} . . . {when necessary} exercising disciplinary action {paideuo} toward those who are in opposition {to doctrinal teaching} so that perhaps The God may give them a change of mind for the purpose of achieving epignosis {full knowledge} knowledge of The Truth/Doctrine 26~~ and that they may 'sober up'/'come to their senses' {and out of reversionism} and be delivered of the devil's trap {reversionism and evil . . . means being in the Cosmic System} . . . having been held captive {zogreo} by him {under Satan's authority} with reference to his plan. {Note: Praiotes means to be oriented to grace. It is often translated meekness or to be humble. But this really means to be oriented to the Plan of God - Grace. False meekness is a disguise for pride. True meekness is grace orientation. Freedom from Pride!} {Note: Paideuo is the type of discipline that you would apply to your own small child. It means to instruct under enforced, then genuine humility. And, the word is in the iterative present tense meaning you do not do this always, but only when the congregation needs it. For example, if the sin of the tongue affects others in the congregation, the pastor must chastise the speaker of evil and remove them from the congregation if they do not change.} Please do not take it that for even one moment I was upset with anyone here, not at all. I thouroughly enjoy this site and all the people, we are all family in Christ, and hopefully we can learn from each other in agape love. :) So if I stepped on any toes please forgive me. :) "The word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder, the soul and the spirit, the joints of the marrow, and is the thought and critic and intense of the heart. All scripture is God breathed, and is profitable, for doctrine, for re-proof, for correction for instructions in righteousness, that the man of God might be mature, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamded, rightly dividing the word of truth." Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: nChrist on August 03, 2006, 07:30:21 PM I have noticed with this site too that I also should have mentioned, that I do not recieve all the notifications when someone posts, so forgive me then, for that was one I did not recieve. Grace and peace..... Hello Linssue55, Sister, I think that I can help you some with this problem. The system sends out email notifications on threads that you are involved in. You must click on the thread in the email notification to keep getting them. The forum software keeps track of whether that notification is used or not. It isn't sufficient to simply go to an active area you are involved in without clicking and using the email notification. I hope this helps some. Love In Christ, Tom Philippians 3:20-21 NASB For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 03, 2006, 08:00:48 PM Hello Linssue55, Sister, I think that I can help you some with this problem. The system sends out email notifications on threads that you are involved in. You must click on the thread in the email notification to keep getting them. The forum software keeps track of whether that notification is used or not. It isn't sufficient to simply go to an active area you are involved in without clicking and using the email notification. I hope this helps some. Love In Christ, Tom Philippians 3:20-21 NASB For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself. Thank you Tom, I will do that. ;D Grace and Peace........ Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: nChrist on August 03, 2006, 08:34:35 PM Brothers and Sisters,
I've been gone and I've just read this thread in an attempt to understand some of the controversy. I do want to make a couple of comments, and they can be taken for what they are worth, maybe nothing. It appears to boil down to a discussion of what a pastor or teacher MUST do to be considered a pastor or teacher. I will try to simply state the controversy as "1" and "2". 1. One must receive a formal education in a university and obtain degrees in numerous areas before they can be a pastor or teacher. This would include becoming fluent in ancient languages, as that is the only way to properly study the Holy Bible. 2. God calls who HE Will to become a pastor or teacher, and God leads that person to become equipped for HIS purpose. It might or might not involve universities and formal education. The pastor or teacher will be prepared to offer milk or meat that is appropriate for the level of the audience, and the pastor or teacher will continually pray for guidance to do God's Will and purpose. I'll simply state that God decides, and the fruit of the ministry will indicate whether or not that pastor or teacher has followed the leading of the Holy Spirit in what God wanted them to do. The purpose is God's, not our own. 1 Corinthians 2:1 NASB And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. 1 Corinthians 2:2 NASB For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:3 NASB I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, 1 Corinthians 2:4 NASB and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 1 Corinthians 2:5 NASB so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God. 1 Corinthians 2:6 NASB Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; 1 Corinthians 2:7 NASB but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 1 Corinthians 2:8 NASB the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; 1 Corinthians 2:9 NASB but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM." 1 Corinthians 2:10 NASB For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 1 Corinthians 2:11 NASB For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 2:12 NASB Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, 1 Corinthians 2:13 NASB which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. 1 Corinthians 2:14 NASB But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 1 Corinthians 2:15 NASB But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 1 Corinthians 2:16 NASB For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ. The Apostle Paul was a scholar, but he spoke plainly and I think this chapter speaks volumes about this controversy. There is no human side - just God's Side. So, I'll simply say there is great value in anyone called by God to be a pastor or teacher, and God will decide how he wants them to be equipped. The fruits of the ministry and glory given to God will be the measure God looks at. Love In Christ, Tom Psalms 139:13-14 NASB For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well. Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 03, 2006, 09:34:39 PM Amen!
Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: linssue55 on August 05, 2006, 02:30:02 PM Brothers and Sisters, I've been gone and I've just read this thread in an attempt to understand some of the controversy. I do want to make a couple of comments, and they can be taken for what they are worth, maybe nothing. It appears to boil down to a discussion of what a pastor or teacher MUST do to be considered a pastor or teacher. I will try to simply state the controversy as "1" and "2". 1. One must receive a formal education in a university and obtain degrees in numerous areas before they can be a pastor or teacher. This would include becoming fluent in ancient languages, as that is the only way to properly study the Holy Bible. 2. God calls who HE Will to become a pastor or teacher, and God leads that person to become equipped for HIS purpose. It might or might not involve universities and formal education. The pastor or teacher will be prepared to offer milk or meat that is appropriate for the level of the audience, and the pastor or teacher will continually pray for guidance to do God's Will and purpose. I'll simply state that God decides, and the fruit of the ministry will indicate whether or not that pastor or teacher has followed the leading of the Holy Spirit in what God wanted them to do. The purpose is God's, not our own. 1 Corinthians 2:1 NASB And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. 1 Corinthians 2:2 NASB For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:3 NASB I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, 1 Corinthians 2:4 NASB and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 1 Corinthians 2:5 NASB so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God. 1 Corinthians 2:6 NASB Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; 1 Corinthians 2:7 NASB but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 1 Corinthians 2:8 NASB the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; 1 Corinthians 2:9 NASB but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM." 1 Corinthians 2:10 NASB For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 1 Corinthians 2:11 NASB For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 2:12 NASB Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, 1 Corinthians 2:13 NASB which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. 1 Corinthians 2:14 NASB But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 1 Corinthians 2:15 NASB But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 1 Corinthians 2:16 NASB For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ. The Apostle Paul was a scholar, but he spoke plainly and I think this chapter speaks volumes about this controversy. There is no human side - just God's Side. So, I'll simply say there is great value in anyone called by God to be a pastor or teacher, and God will decide how he wants them to be equipped. The fruits of the ministry and glory given to God will be the measure God looks at. Love In Christ, Tom Psalms 139:13-14 NASB For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well. The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher.......The unity of the church comes from all in the body of Christ thinking the same , the way God wants us to think, this is true unity. The gift of a prepared pastor teacher makes it known from the accurate teaching of the word of God when filled with the spirit. This unity can only be accomplished through the KNOWLEDGE of the word, of the true understanding of the acccurate words. So as the spirit leads you....... (Donation Link Removed) Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: nChrist on August 06, 2006, 06:08:30 AM The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher.......The unity of the church comes from all in the body of Christ thinking the same , the way God wants us to think, this is true unity. The gift of a prepared pastor teacher makes it known from the accurate teaching of the word of God when filled with the spirit. This unity can only be accomplished through the KNOWLEDGE of the word, of the true understanding of the acccurate words. So as the spirit leads you....... (Donation Link Removed) Hello linssue55, You missed a piece of information that effects everyone, including you. You are stating your opinion and that's all you are doing. So, the unity you are talking about has nothing to do with agreement with you, rather with agreement with the Holy Bible. You are trying to judge, label, and condemn others with your opinions. The Holy Bible does not state the requirements you list for pastor and teacher here, so that is not Bible doctrine - simply man's opinion. Trying to state man's opinion as Bible doctrine is not a wise thing to do. Example: stating or hinting that a seminary degree and being fluent in ancient languages is required to be a pastor or teacher is FALSE. The Bible DOES NOT SAY THIS, so where do you think it might have come from? I'm certainly not saying that I have anything against education. However, I will state with absolute certainty that education does not make a pastor or a teacher. In fact, some of the teachers aren't even saved. Further, you make so many EXCLUSIVE remarks about your study methods that proper pastors and teachers need to graduate from your school. So, I'm beginning to wonder if you are out trying to recruit students. That won't happen here. There are many people on the forum with various types and lengths of education, and many are already serving as pastors and teachers in God's Will and purpose. Pleasant discussions about various study methods are welcome here. BUT, exclusionary threads that judge and condemn Christians solely about the level of their FORMAL education is not welcome. I hope this is clear, as you have already been given a formal warning. We don't promote specific Churches and schools here. Further, advertising is not permitted here. It would be good for you to read the forum rules. I agree with some of the things that you post, but I completely disagree with some of what you post about "ICE". BUT, That's fine because we don't promote schools or Churches here, and that would include "ICE". I must be very specific about one "ICE" doctrine you have posted about Christian fellowship. I could care less about how "ICE" might judge or condemn Christian fellowship. One of the primary purposes of this forum is Christian family fellowship, and that purpose will continue regardless of what "ICE" teaches. We just might ALL HAVE methods already that are as good as or better than "ICE". SO, please give us all a break on "ICE" - "ICE" is not the Holy Bible, nor is it the best or only way to study the Holy Bible. We love to talk about the Holy Bible and JESUS, and "ICE" isn't either one. You've already done overkill on "ICE". Look around on the forum and you will see an absence of NAMED PROMOTIONS on the forum. So, here's a hint - there's a reason for that. I hope that the warning and this more elaborate explanation is sufficient for you to understand. Moderator Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: doc on August 09, 2006, 09:24:44 PM Go gettum BEP.
This chilly approach to Christ and His body is clearly addressed in scriptrue: "As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving. Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power." Colossians 2:6-10 NKJV I repeat - "pastor" is not an office or title in Ephesians 4 - it, along with the other gifts are simply ordinary God given Christian characteristics for "the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ... ! Any attempt by a hierarchy oriented philosophy to develop a structure within God's "church" is a tradition of men - see above. This movement has practically destroyed the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit for the last 200 years. doc Title: Re: The Doctrine of Pastor Teacher...... Post by: ProphetBob on February 20, 2007, 11:53:44 AM Proverbs 10:19
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