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Title: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on May 30, 2006, 07:02:06 AM
Brothers in Christ,

I think that it might be a nice change to discuss a BIG AND VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION:

What are the Biblical duties of a Christian husband and father?

If you know of a Scripture that applies to this answer, please share it with us. I would also be curious to know if anyone thinks that the Biblical duties of a Christian husband and father have changed over the last 2,000 years.

Let's pull up a chair and have a nice visit. By the way, men who are not yet husbands and fathers are most welcome to participate.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 23:1 NASB  The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want.


Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 30, 2006, 07:40:21 AM
Amen brother, a very good and highly important question.

No I don't think that the Biblical duties of a Christian husband and father has changed one bit. With the problems that we face in society today it is much more important for a huband and father to know what those responsibilities are and what is expected of them by God.

There are many verses that apply to this but the first verses that come to my mind are :

Eph 5:23  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26  That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27  That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28  So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29  For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:


Eph 6:4  And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.


This does not mean that the man is to be a dictator type tyrant in ruling the home but rather to lead in a loving, caring manner.





Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on May 30, 2006, 08:03:27 AM
Amen Pastor Roger!

Brother, you chose some of the most beautiful portions of Scripture in the Bible that pertain to this BIG QUESTION.

Ephesians 5:25 tells the husband to love his wife in the same way the CHRIST loved the Church, even to the extent of giving His life.

My first thoughts would regard this depth of Love. This would not be a passing fancy or an infatuation like so many couples seem to have these days. I really wonder if some people have every experienced this type of love, especially when one considers the large percentages of failed marriages these days. I must add that many Christians also have failed marriages, and I would wonder why. Did they have real love to start with? Maybe this can be considered as others join in.

Love In Christ,
Tom

2 Corinthians 3:2-3 NASB  You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.


Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: Amorus on May 31, 2006, 01:52:01 PM
Amen Pastor Roger!

Brother, you chose some of the most beautiful portions of Scripture in the Bible that pertain to this BIG QUESTION.

Ephesians 5:25 tells the husband to love his wife in the same way the CHRIST loved the Church, even to the extent of giving His life.

My first thoughts would regard this depth of Love. This would not be a passing fancy or an infatuation like so many couples seem to have these days. I really wonder if some people have every experienced this type of love, especially when one considers the large percentages of failed marriages these days. I must add that many Christians also have failed marriages, and I would wonder why. Did they have real love to start with? Maybe this can be considered as others join in.

The first thing that comes to my mind is Love.  It is perfectly defined in 1 Corinthians 13.  I have read that scripture many times, trying to digest it word for word.  That is what I consider real love.  Marriage, like all relationships, takes work, prayer, and understanding, (I again emphasis work here  ;D) just as our walk and relationship with our glorious Savior takes work (meaning reading and understanding His Word, praying, having a relationship with the Lord, trying to do what is expected of us...ext).  I believe that I was married under the Lord, that when I took the vows with my wife we made a commitment to each other and to our Lord Jesus Christ.  I'm not pretending to understand why some marriages fail.  I do not walk in another man's shoes.  However I think it is a very sad situation to see so many marriages fall apart.  I will say the best marriage counselor in my life has been the Word of God.  I think the Lord has shown me many things through my wife.  (1 Peter 3: 1- 7) I am very blessed, no doubts here.  I believe that times have changed, but that the Word of God has not, therefore the Biblical Duties have not.  Maybe that is one point to consider about marriage and relationship failure in general.   Good discussion topic although my answer might be a bit off topic  ;)  I'll probably have more to comment on as I think about this.
Peace to you all!
-Am-


Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: Rookieupgrade1 on May 31, 2006, 02:09:58 PM
Amen brother, a very good and highly important question.

No I don't think that the Biblical duties of a Christian husband and father has changed one bit. With the problems that we face in society today it is much more important for a huband and father to know what those responsibilities are and what is expected of them by God.

There are many verses that apply to this but the first verses that come to my mind are :

Eph 5:23  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26  That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27  That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28  So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29  For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:


Eph 6:4  And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.


This does not mean that the man is to be a dictator type tyrant in ruling the home but rather to lead in a loving, caring manner.





I actually used this pasage in my wedding vows ;D



Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: Shammu on May 31, 2006, 02:20:26 PM
AMEN Pastor Roger..........................

Allow me to add.......... 1 Timothy 3:2 Now a bishop (superintendent, overseer) must give no grounds for accusation but must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, circumspect and temperate and self-controlled; [he must be] sensible and well behaved and dignified and lead an orderly (disciplined) life; [he must be] hospitable [showing love for and being a friend to the believers, especially strangers or foreigners, and be] a capable and qualified teacher,


Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on May 31, 2006, 03:24:14 PM
Thanks Brothers!

This is a beautiful thread, and I really hope that many more join us here. I'd like to mention a few more thoughts.

1 - Some women think that the Holy Bible is pretty rough on them in terms of obeying their husbands. BUT, they should read further and see that the Holy Bible actually puts higher responsibilities on the man.

2 - CHRIST is to be the Head of the home, and the husband is to be in subjection to CHRIST. The more the husband yields to CHRIST, the more likely that he will be the type of man that his wife will love and respect. So, the husband is in a position of Biblical leadership in the home, and his success is dependant on how well he yields to CHRIST in all things.

3 - Is the husband also the spiritual leader of the home? Are his duties limited to Sunday, or does he have duties every day to his wife and children?

Love In Christ,
Tom

Proverbs 13:22 NASB  A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children, And the wealth of the sinner is stored up for the righteous.


Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: Rookieupgrade1 on May 31, 2006, 05:28:57 PM
Deffinatly a daily responcibility.

I know that if left to my flesh I am a very mean and spitefull pearson. While walking with Christ, I now try to approach everything in love and compassion, to guide rather than reprimand.

Who am I to reprimand my wife or children. I simply, loveingly try to guide them.

It is a challange of my nature, to deny myself and obey God.

My wife is a much happier person for it though. ;)


Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: Amorus on June 01, 2006, 01:45:21 PM
Thanks Brothers!

This is a beautiful thread, and I really hope that many more join us here. I'd like to mention a few more thoughts.

1 - Some women think that the Holy Bible is pretty rough on them in terms of obeying their husbands. BUT, they should read further and see that the Holy Bible actually puts higher responsibilities on the man.

2 - CHRIST is to be the Head of the home, and the husband is to be in subjection to CHRIST. The more the husband yields to CHRIST, the more likely that he will be the type of man that his wife will love and respect. So, the husband is in a position of Biblical leadership in the home, and his success is dependant on how well he yields to CHRIST in all things.

3 - Is the husband also the spiritual leader of the home? Are his duties limited to Sunday, or does he have duties every day to his wife and children?

Love In Christ,
Tom

Proverbs 13:22 NASB  A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children, And the wealth of the sinner is stored up for the righteous.

Duties need to be every day.  Charles Dickens said it the best through the Ghost of Christmas Present "The child born in Bethlehem does not live in the hearts of men only one day a year, but all the days of the year."  I always liked that.  The Lord is with us every second of every day and so we should be with him in our walk.  As Rookieupgrade1 pointed out with himself, I too am a different person, a much better person with much more understanding while I walk with Christ.  A challenge, yes, but as Tom pointed out, success is dependent on how well we yield to Christ in "all" things.  I praise the Lord Jesus for being with me through "all" things.  I would much rather have that everyday rather then just one.


Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on June 01, 2006, 03:55:38 PM
Amen Brothers!

Our Love and of JESUS CHRIST isn't forced. YES, HE does want us to love HIM as much as HE first loved us. Hopefully, we all mature and grow in the strength of JESUS CHRIST as we study GOD'S WORD and start walking closer and closer in our fellowship with HIM. We already have the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD living in our hearts to guide us and lead us in the paths that would be most pleasing to HIM. Everything is freely given to those who pray, humble themselves before GOD, and yield to HIS Will. YES, we do have a personal relationship and fellowship with GOD through JESUS and in the SPIRIT.  A walk in the SPIRIT with GOD is a beautiful thing, but it obviously means that we don't always do the things that we want to do.

Brothers, our love and union with our wives can also grow stronger and more beautiful as we mature. We learn about real love through JESUS CHRIST and GOD'S WORD. There are many portions of the Holy Bible that teach us about love, but the greatest example will always be the love of our LORD and SAVIOUR who died on the cross in our place. I want to share a beautiful portion of Scripture for study:

1 Corinthians 13:1 NASB  If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

1 Corinthians 13:2 NASB  If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

1 Corinthians 13:3 NASB  And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

1 Corinthians 13:4 NASB  Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant,

1 Corinthians 13:5 NASB  does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,

1 Corinthians 13:6 NASB  does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;

1 Corinthians 13:7 NASB  bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

1 Corinthians 13:8 NASB  Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.

1 Corinthians 13:9 NASB  For we know in part and we prophesy in part;

1 Corinthians 13:10 NASB  but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.

1 Corinthians 13:11 NASB  When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.

1 Corinthians 13:12 NASB  For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.

1 Corinthians 13:13 NASB  But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.
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Love can and does grow stronger for a Christian who is walking in the SPIRIT and yielded to GOD. Love is also the key to a beautiful marriage.

Love In Christ,
Tom

2 Corinthians 5:5-8 NASB  Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge. Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord -- for we walk by faith, not by sight -- we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.


Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 01, 2006, 04:31:11 PM
Amen brother.


1Ch 28:9  And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.


Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: Amorus on June 02, 2006, 06:20:44 AM

Love can and does grow stronger for a Christian who is walking in the SPIRIT and yielded to GOD. Love is also the key to a beautiful marriage.

Love In

Amen to that and all that has been said! ;D


Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on June 02, 2006, 08:40:27 AM
The following advice is very OLD but also very beautiful in my opinion. Many portions of Scripture will probably come to mind in reading it. I hope you enjoy it and get some more ideas for our discussion.
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Secrets of Happy Home Life - Page 1

by J. R. Miller, 1894

Home
is among the holiest of words. A true home is one of the most
sacred of places. It is a sanctuary into which men flee from the world's
perils and alarms. It is a resting-place to which at close of day the
weary retire to gather new strength for the battle and toils of tomorrow.
It is the place where love learns its lessons, where life is schooled
into discipline and strength, where character is molded. Out of the homes
of a community comes the life of the community, as a river from the
thousand springs that gush out on the hillsides.

We are all concerned in the making of some one home—our own home. One
instrument out of tune in an orchestra mars the music which breaks upon
the ears of the listeners. One discordant life in a household mars the
perfectness of the music of love in the family. We should make sure that
our life is not the one that is out of tune. We do not need to worry
about the other lives; if each looks to his own, that will do.

When our Lord sent His disciples out to preach, one of His instructions
was—"Into whatever house you enter, first say, Peace be to this house."
Peace is a good word. It is more than a salutation; falling from
the Master's lips, it is a divine benediction as well. Peace, too, is a
fruit of grace, which includes all that is sweetest and most divine in
Christian culture. It is especially suggestive of the harmony of love,
which is the perfection of beautiful living. Christ's peace is a
blessing, which comes out of struggle and discipline. Well, therefore,
does the salutation "Peace!" befit a Christian home, which ought to be
the abode of peace.


What are some of the secrets of happy home life?
The answer might be
given in one word—Christ. Christ at the marriage-altar; Christ on
the bridal journey; Christ when the new home is set up; Christ when the
baby is born; Christ when a child dies; Christ in the pinching times;
Christ in the days of plenty; Christ in the nursery, in the kitchen, in
the parlor; Christ in the toil and in the rest; Christ along all the
years; Christ when the wedded pair walk toward the sunset gates; Christ
in the sad hour when farewells are spoken, and one goes on before and the
other stays, bearing the unshared grief. Christ is the secret of happy
home life.


But the lesson may be broken up. The making of a home begins before there
is a home—it begins in the days when the life-choices are made. There are
many unhappy marriages. There are families sheltered in houses,
which are not homes. A happy home does not come as a matter of
course because there has been a marriage ceremony, with pledged vows and
a ring, and the minister's "Whom God has joined together, let no man put
asunder," and a benediction. Happiness does not come through any mere
forms or ceremonies; it has to be planned for, lived for, sacrificed for,
prayed for, and ofttimes suffered for.


There must be a wise choosing before marriage, or it may be
impossible to make a happy home. At few points in life is divine guidance
more severely needed than when the question of marriage is decided. A
mistake then will cast its shadows down all the years to the close of
life. Many a career is blighted by a foolish marriage. Wedded
happiness depends greatly on reverent, prayerful, deliberate, wise
choosing before marriage.
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Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on June 02, 2006, 08:43:42 AM
Secrets of Happy Home Life - Page 2

by J. R. Miller, 1894


But now the choices have been made—carefully made—we will say. The happy
day has come. The plighted lovers stand at the marriage-altar. Taking the
woman's hand, the man says to her—"I take you to be my wedded wife, to
have and to hold, from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer
for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, until
death us do part, according to God's holy ordinance; and thereto I pledge
you my fidelity." Taking the hand of the man, the woman says to him, with
slight verbal variations, the same words. The two are pronounced husband
and wife, and go forth to begin their wedded life together, no more
twain, but now one.

The happy pair are in their own home. It may be a fine, great house, with
rich furniture, costly pictures, and all the elegance of wealth; or it
may be a little house, with four rooms, cheap furniture, homemade
carpets, and empty of adornment. It makes very little difference what the
size of the house, or what its furniture may be. The happiness of the
home does not depend on the house or on what it contains; the people who
live in the house MAKE the happiness,—or MAR it.


The HUSBAND has his part. He must be a good man. Not every man who
marries thinks of the responsibility he assumes when he takes a young
girl away from the shelter of father-love and mother-love—the softest,
warmest nest in the world, and leads her into a new home, where
henceforth his love is to be her only shelter. Well may the woman say as
she goes to the marriage altar–
"Before I trust my fate to you,
Or place my hand in thine;
Before I let your future give
Color and form to mine;
Before I peril all to thee,
Question your soul tonight for me.

Does there within your dimmest dreams
A possible future shine
Wherein your life could henceforth breathe
Untouched, unshared by mine?
If so, at any pain or cost,
Oh, tell me before all is lost."

No man is fit to be a husband who is not a good man. He need not be
great, nor rich, nor brilliant, nor clever, but he must be good, or he is
not worthy to take a gentle, trusting woman's tender life into his
keeping. Of course he must love his wife; without love there is no
real marriage, and ceremony and ring and vows and prayer are only empty
formalities. He must love his wife and be always her lover. The world has
read and heard quite enough moralizing about a wife's duty to be always
winning and attractive, retaining the charm of girlhood amid all cares,
toils, and sorrows. Of course; but is a husband under less obligation to
love his wife and always to be lover-like? This is a good rule, which
should work both ways.

But affectionateness, however desirable, is not all that is needed in a
husband who would do his full share in happy home making. Life is not all
sentiment. We cannot live on ambrosia. Happiness must have a very
practical basis. A good husband must be a man. He must be a good
man-manly, true, worthy, brave, generous, a man whom a noble woman can
respect and honor all the days of her life. He must be a sober man; no
man who comes home under the influence of intoxicating drink, even
occasionally only, is going to do quite his share in making happiness for
the woman who has trusted her all to him. He must be a man of pure,
unblemished life, whose character is above suspicion, whose name will
always be an honor and a pride in his own home. The husband has a great
deal to do with the question of home happiness.

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Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on June 02, 2006, 08:45:46 AM
Secrets of Happy Home Life - Page 3

by J. R. Miller, 1894


The WIFE, too, has a responsibility. The prosaic arts of
housekeeping are far more important factors of home happiness than many
people without experience imagine. John Ruskin talks to young women of
the etymology of the name 'wife'—"What do you think the beautiful word
'wife' comes from?" he asks. "It means 'weaver.' You must either be
house-wives or house-moths; remember that. In the deep sense, you must
weave men's fortunes, and embroider them, or feed upon them, and bring
them to decay. Wherever a true wife comes, home is always around her. The
stars may be the canopy over her head, the glow-worm in the night's cold
grass be the fire at her feet, but home is where she is; and for a noble
woman it stretches far around her,—better than houses with ceilings of
cedar, or with paintings of the masters, shedding its quiet light for
those who else were homeless."


Home is the true wife's kingdom.
There, first of all places, she must
be strong and beautiful. She may touch life outside in many ways, if she
can do it without slighting the duties that are hers within her own
doors. But if any calls for her service must be declined, they should not
be the duties of her home. These are hers, and no other one's. Very
largely does the wife hold in her hands, as a sacred trust, the happiness
and the highest good of the hearts that nestle there. The best
husband—the truest, the noblest, the gentlest, the richest-hearted—cannot
make his home happy if his wife be not, in every reasonable sense, a
helpmate to him.

In the last analysis, home happiness depends on the wife. Her spirit
gives the home its atmosphere. Her hands fashion its beauty. Her heart
makes its love. And the end is so worthy, so noble, so divine, that no
woman who has been called to be a wife, and has listened to the call,
should consider any price too great to pay, to be the light, the joy, the
blessing, the inspiration of a home.

Men with fine gifts think it worth while to live to paint a few great
pictures which shall be looked at and admired for generations; or to
write a few songs which shall sing themselves into the ears and hearts of
men. But the woman who makes a sweet, beautiful home, filling it with
love and prayer and purity, is doing something better than anything else
her hands could find to do beneath the skies.


Some marriages are unhappy. How can husband and wife live happily in
their wedded life? Wedded happiness is a lesson that must be learned. No
two lives brought into this close relation can blend into one without
self-discipline. "Marriage is the beautiful unfolding of many years."

Ofttimes it takes a long while for a wedded pair to learn the lesson of
living happily together. They are discouraged because such love as theirs
does not yield perfect happiness from the very first day. It always costs
to learn the lesson. The block of marble must wane, as the statue is
sculptured and grows. There must be the cutting away of much in both
lives; there must be restraint, self-denial, self-effacement, while they
are being trained to live one life rather than two. Love is always
discipline.


Paul lays down the basis for happy wedded life in the words—"Wives, be in
subjection to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands, love
your wives, and be not bitter against them" (Colossians 3:18-19). Perhaps
these instructions are not always well understood. Sometimes one of the
counsels, and sometimes the other, is unduly emphasized. Some men insist
upon the first—"Wives, be in subjection to your husbands." They interpret
the words somewhat harshly, as if a wife were to be only as a child to
her husband, or even as a servant, whose duty is to minister to his
desires, to please him, to run at his every call and command. This is in
accordance with heathen notions of the marriage relation, but it is not
after Christian teaching.

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Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on June 02, 2006, 08:47:43 AM
Secrets of Happy Home Life - Page 4

by J. R. Miller, 1894


It is to be particularly noted that Paul nowhere says—"Wives, obey your
husbands." In our Common Version the word "obedient" occurs in one place;
but in the Revised Version the counsel is that wives should be "in
subjection to" their husbands. Indeed, however, the spirit of love is
always that of subjection, of yielding, or serving, in all life's
relations.

In another place, where Paul gives like instruction, his words are—"Wives
be in subjection unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the
husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is head of the Church"
(Ephesians 5:22-23). No doubt the husband is the head of the household;
but what a responsibility this teaching puts upon him! His wife is to be
in subjection to him, "as unto the Lord." He is to be to her what
Christ is to the Church.


If a man will insist on his wife fulfilling her part, he must also insist
on honestly fulfilling his own part,—all the sacred duties which are his
as a HUSBAND. What, then, is the husband's share in this happy
home making? "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the
Church, and gave Himself up for it" (Eph. 5:25). A husband is to love his
wife. Is love despotic? Does love put its object in a servant's place?
No; love serves. It seeks not its own. It desires "not to be served, but
to serve." It does not demand attention, deference, service, subjection.
It seeks rather to serve, to give, to honor.

The measure of the love required by the husband is to be well
noted—"Even as Christ also loved the Church." This is a lofty standard.
How did Christ show His love for His Church? Think of His gentleness to
His friends, His patience with them in all their faultiness, His
thoughtfulness, His unwearying kindness. Never did a harsh word fall from
His lips upon their ears. Never did He do anything to give them pain. It
was not easy for Him at all times to maintain such constancy and such
composure and quietness of love toward them; for they were very faulty,
and tried Him in a thousand ways. But His affection never wearied nor
failed for an instant. Husbands are to love their wives even as Christ
also loved the Church, and gave Himself up for it. He loved even to the
cost of utmost self-sacrifice.

There are men, however, who would do this, whose love would sacrifice
even life itself for a wife, but who fail in daily and hourly
tenderness
, when there is no demand for great self-denial. Hence the
other counsel must be remembered—"Love your wives, and be not bitter
against them." More wives might complain of the lack of love in the
little tendernesses than in great acts and manifestations.

A true woman's heart craves gentleness. It is hurt by bitter words, by
coldness, by impatience, by harsh criticisms, by neglect, by the
withholding of the expressions of affection. Love craves its daily bread
of tenderness. No husband should deny his wife the little things of
affection, the amenities of love, along the busy, trying days, and then
think to make amends by putting a flower in her cold hand when she lies
in the coffin. Will not conscience then whisper love's reproach?

"You placed this flower in her hand, you say,
This pure, pale rose in her hand of clay?
Methinks, could she lift her sealed eyes,
They would meet your own with a grieved surprise.

When did you give her a flower before?
Ah, well, what matter, when all is o'er?

But I pray you think
That love will starve, if it is not fed
That true hearts pray for their daily bread."

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Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on June 02, 2006, 08:49:49 AM
Secrets of Happy Home Life - Page 5

by J. R. Miller, 1894


No true wife will ever quarrel with the divine law that makes the husband
the head of the household, if she has a husband who loves her up to the
measure of the divine requirements for husbands—"Even as Christ also
loved the Church." Such love never demands obedience, never demands
anything; it seeks not to be served, but to serve.


On the other hand, true love in a wife also lives to serve. Love always
serves, or it is not love at all. The greatest in Christ's kingdom are
those who serve the most unselfishly. Husband and wife vie with each
other in loving and serving. They mutually bear each other's burdens. The
husband is the head, but he never says so; never reminds his wife of it;
never claims authority; and defers to her in everything.

The wife recognizes her husband as head, honors him, looks up to him with
esteem and confidence—all the more because he never demands subjection.
Thus true love in husband and wife never has any trouble about rights or
place. Side by side they stand, these two wedded lovers, each a part of
the other, each incomplete, a mere fragment without the other, but strong
in their happy union in love.

But there are other elements in the composition of the home. Among the
blessings which make happiness are the CHILDREN, who come with
their sweet life and their holy gladness. Children bring cares and
troubles, and demand toil and sacrifice, ofttimes cost pain and grief;
yet the blessing they bring to a true home a thousand times repays the
care and the cost. It is a sacred hour in a home when a baby is born and
laid in the arms of a young father and mother. It is the final seal upon
their wedded love. It is the closing benediction of the marriage
ceremony. It draws fragments of heaven trailing after it to the home on
earth. Few deeper, purer joys are ever experienced in this world than the
joy of true parents on the birth of their first child. Much of home's
happiness along the years is made by the children. They are also great
blessings to their parents. Ofttimes they teach more lessons than they
are taught. We say we train our children; but they train us, also, if we
think of them as we should,—as immortal beings come from God to be
prepared by us for their mission. A reverent mother sings softly over her
child's cradle–

"My child, I fear you; you are a spirit, soul!
How shall I walk before you?
and keep my garments whole?
O Lord, give strength,
give wisdom for the task.
To train this child for You."

Jesus said of little children, that those who receive them in His name
receive Him. May we not, then, surely say that children bring great
possibility of blessing and happiness to a home? If we receive them as
Christ's messengers, as sent to us in His name, and entertain them as we
would entertain Him if He had come in place of them, we shall get from
them deep and rich good and joy.


A true mother is one of the holiest secrets of home happiness. God sends
many beautiful things to this world, many noble gifts; but no blessing is
richer than that which He bestows in a mother who has learned love's
lessons well, and has realized something of the meaning of her sacred
calling.


A FATHER also should be a blessing to a home. The modern tendency to put
upon the wife and mother all the responsibility for the making of the
home and its happiness is not sanctioned by Christian teachings. The
divine commands for the building of the home and the training of the
children are given primarily to the man, although meant for both husband
and wife. He cannot evade the responsibility; his position as the head of
the family puts upon him the obligation. Besides, it is not manly that a
man should want to put the whole burden on her whom he calls "the weaker
vessel." If his wife is weak and he is so strong, let him remember that
it is the privilege and the duty of strength to bear the heavy part of
life's burdens.

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Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on June 02, 2006, 08:51:30 AM
Secrets of Happy Home Life - Page 6

by J. R. Miller, 1894


There are parts of the home duty which a woman can do infinitely better
than a man. Men's hands are clumsy, and often hurt gentle hearts, when it
was meant that they should give healing and help. The man has the heavy
care of providing for the household. There are tasks, too, for which
woman's gentler hands are better fitted. But let no husband nurse the
notion that he has no responsibility for the happiness of his home beyond
providing food and clothing and other comforts. His strong life should be
the secure shelter beneath which his wife and children may safely abide.
His character should be a continual revealing of the love and truth
and holiness of God. He should live so that, seeing him day after day,
his family shall learn to know the beauty of Christ.
He is the priest
of his house, and as such should both speak to God for his family and
speak to them for God. Through him blessings should come to his home
every day.

BROTHERS and SISTERS have their part in making the home happiness. Yet
not always do they live together so as to make the music of the home one
glad, sweet song. Sometimes there is a lack of congeniality in their
dispositions. Then ofttimes there seems to be the feeling that home
affections do not need the culture that other friendships require. We
cannot be brusque, curt, or crude with other people, and expect them to
bear patiently with us in spite of our unmannerly behavior.
But we
are sure of our 'home friends',—so we let ourselves feel,—and do not need
to be gentle and thoughtful towards them. So it is that in too many homes
brothers and sisters live together year after year under the same roof,
mingling in the household communion, yet never forming close friendships,
soul never knitting to soul, strangers to each other's inner life. Thus
many rich possibilities of close and holiest friendships are missed.

Another thing that too often mars the home life of brothers and sisters
is a spirit of 'commanding' and criticism. Faults are seen, and openly,
and not in a gentle way, pointed out and reproved. What one does the
others are apt to do; and thus the habit grows, until little but 'sharp
speech' and 'inappropriate wrangling' is heard in the home where the
conversation might have so much in it of sweetness and profit.

These are suggestions of ways in which, in too many homes, one of the
secrets of happiness is lost. It is possible for brothers and sisters to
live together in a home so as to add greatly to the happiness and the
richness of the household life, and to be comforts and helps to each
other. It is said that the poet sisters, Alice and Phoebe Cary, had a
secret of happy living together which it were well if all brothers and
sisters could learn. "Whatever one felt or endured, because of it she
would not inflict any suffering upon her sister! no, not even if that
sister had inadvertently been the cause of it. If one sister was out of
sorts, she went into her own room, shut her door, and had it out by
herself."

These are good rules to be adopted in other homes. If we are feeling
uncomfortable from any cause, we have no right, according to the law of
love, to diffuse our irritations through the household. If we are in any
unhappy mood, in which we cannot suppress the ill-humor, we have no right
to vent it in the circle of our loved ones, and would far better go to
our own room, or out into the fresh air, alone, somewhere, and stay until
we have gotten back our sweet spirit again, so that we can scatter roses,
not thorns, among our loved ones.

The possibilities of happiness and blessing among brothers and sisters
can be realized only by cultivating the love that seeks not its own, that
is not provoked, that bears all things, endures all things, and never
fails (1 Corinthians 13:4-8). Love's first lesson is that of
giving up one's own way, denying one's self, suffering in silence. Where
this lesson has been learned, or is being learned, in a household of
young people, each thinks of giving to the others, not of taking from
them. Each cultivates gentleness and kindness. The speech of the home
grows quiet and tender, is never loud nor angry. The Golden Rule is
the law of each life.
There is love, and love that reveals itself in
a thousand little ways of courtesy and thoughtfulness—nameless things,
but things that make up a home happiness on which heaven's angels look
down with delight.

Not very long can any family life go on unbroken. Death will visit every
home. While we may, we should live together sweetly, patiently, loving
and serving each other in all beautiful and Christly ways.

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Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on June 02, 2006, 08:53:16 AM
Secrets of Happy Home Life - Page 7

by J. R. Miller, 1894


The daily home-life of the household carries in it many possibilities of
happiness which are not always realized in families. Some
SUGGESTIONS may be made.

1. One is that love must prevail in all the family life. Let
parents keep the confidence and affection of their children as long as
they live. One of the ways to make sure of this is never to tire of the
little marks and tokens of love which children naturally give. The time
never comes when it is unmanly for a man to kiss his mother. In the ideal
home every child has a good-night kiss for the parents before parting for
bed. Let the children do their part, too, in showing affection. There are
homes, chill and cold, which could be warmed into love's richest glow in
a little time, if all the household hearts were to grow affectionate to
each other.

2. Another suggestion is, that all family strife and contention
should cease.
Why should parents discourage their children by
continually nagging and finding fault with them? Why should children
dishonor their parents by disobedience, by crude and unfilial treatment,
by lack of respect, by refusing to yield to the order of the home? Why
should brothers fail in the duties of civility and courtesy to their
sisters? Why should sisters show no loving interest in their brothers,
and fail to overshadow them as with angel-wings? Why should brothers
wrangle and quarrel, separate their interests, and not stand together?
Why should sisters have their miserable little disputes, their envies,
jealousies and resentments? Let there be peace in all the home-life.

3. Another suggestion is, that we should not grow discouraged,
even if our homes are not yet what we crave. There are some who feel that
the battle is hopeless; that they can never grow into beautiful life and
character in their present circumstances. That is a mistake. It is
possible to grow into all the beauty of peace wherever we may be placed.
A lily finds its home in a black bog, but blooms into perfect
loveliness.

Suppose that your home-life is discouraging, even to the last degree; yet
you may live sweetly in the midst of it, through the grace and help of
God.
And who knows but that your sweet life may become the power of
God to change the home-life into heavenliness? Perhaps God has put you as
leaven there, to leaven the whole lump.

I have known a girl go out of a godless, worldly home to college, to find
Christ and return home a beautiful earnest Christian. Then I have seen
that home transformed in a few years, by that daughter's quiet influence,
into an ideal Christian home.

At least, though our home be not what we would like it to be, though it
lack warmth and tenderness and congeniality, still, while it is our home,
it is our duty to stay in it contentedly, and grow in it into beauty. We
know that Jesus lived until thirty years of age in a humble peasant home,
with but little culture and education, amid the privations of poverty and
hard toil. Yet He was not discontented there. He did not complain of the
narrowness and the littleness. He did not chafe under the limitations and
the burdens. There His life grew into that marvelous sweetness, that
wondrous beauty, that richness and greatness, which we see in Him, when,
at thirty years of age, He went out to begin His ministry. Wherever we
are planted, we, too, can grow into strength, nobleness and loveliness.

4. Patience is another lesson in learning to live happily together
at home. The children of a family have not all the same tastes. It is
very easy to fall into the habit of criticizing each other. We know how
nearly Martha spoiled her home happiness, and her sister's also, by
criticism. Criticism never fosters affection; you never loved any one
better for criticizing you. Usually the best service we can do to a
brother or sister is to live a sweet, patient, beautiful, Christly life
ourselves
, leaving to God the fashioning of their lives. If they are
true Christians, He is teaching them and putting His own image on their
souls. We might mar this divine work by our criticism.

Suppose you went into an artist's studio and saw a picture at which he
had been working for months, yet unfinished; would you, not being an
artist, take up his brush and begin to put touches here and there on the
canvas? Each life of husband or wife, child, brother or sister, in your
home is a picture which God is painting, and which is yet unfinished.
Beware that you mar not His work! So let us be patient with one another
at home. We all have our faults, we all make mistakes—but we can help
each other more by loving patience, than by scathing criticism.

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Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on June 02, 2006, 08:55:06 AM
Secrets of Happy Home Life - Page 8

by J. R. Miller, 1894


5. True Religion is the great master-secret of all happy home
life! The spirit of Christ alone will enable us to live together in
perfect peace and love. The presence of Christ in the home is a perpetual
blessing. We cannot be selfish, we cannot wrangle and strive, we cannot
be bitter and unkind, we cannot be irritable and unreasonable, when
conscious of the presence of Christ. If only we can make Christ an
abiding guest in our home, and if we can keep ourselves aware of His
being with us, our household life cannot help but grow wondrously sweet!

Into every home, at some time, SORROW comes. Then it is that the blessing
of religion is specially revealed. We do not see the stars until the sun
goes down. The comforts of Christian faith do not reveal themselves to us
in their richest light and peace until the darkness of sorrow rests upon
our home. But there is light in the darkness when Christ is the
guest.
Indeed, it is true that when Christ is in a home, even sorrow
itself becomes one of the secrets of happiness. Our Lord's beatitude
says—"Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted" (Matthew
5:4).

Homes that have never known grief may be very happy in love, and very
bright with sweet gladness; but after sorrow has been a guest within
their doors, and has left its messages and blessings, there is a depth
of quiet joy
never experienced before. The family fellowship is
sweeter after there has been a break in the circle. The love is tenderer
when tears have come into its gladness. A vacant chair is a new and
sacred bond in the household life.

But it is only when Christ is in the home that sorrow sweetens the life.
There can be no rainbow without cloud and rain; but neither can
there be a rainbow, even with cloud and rain, unless the sun is shining
through the falling drops. The rarest splendors of happiness can be known
only when sorrow's clouds have overshadowed the home and the rain of
tears is falling; but unless the light of divine love is pouring through
the tears there can be no splendor of peace and comfort; nothing but
darkness and cloud.

Few things we can do in this world are so well worth doing as the making
of a beautiful and happy home. He who does this builds a sanctuary for
God and opens a fountain of blessing for men. Far more than we know, do
the strength and beauty of our lives depend upon the home in which we
dwell. He who goes forth in the morning from a happy, loving, prayerful
home, into the world's strife, temptation, struggle, and duty, is
strong—inspired for noble and victorious living. The children who are
brought up in a true home go out trained and equipped for life's battles
and tasks, carrying in their hearts a secret of strength which will make
them brave and loyal to God, and will keep them pure in the world's
severest temptations.

We may all do loving service, therefore, by helping to make one of the
world's homes,—the one in which we dwell—brighter and happier. No matter
how plain it may be, or how old-fashioned, if love is in it, if prayer
connects it with heaven, if Christ's blessing is upon it, it will be a
transfigured spot! Poverty is no severe trial if the home is full of
bright cheer. The hardest toil is light if love sings its songs amid the
clatter.

"Dear Moss," said the thatched roof on an old ruin, "I am so worn, so
patched, so ragged, really I am quite unsightly. I wish you would come
and cheer me up a little. You will hide all my infirmities and defects;
and, through your loving sympathy, no finger of contempt or dislike will
be pointed at me."

"I come," said the moss; and it crept up and around, and in and out,
until every flaw was hidden, and all was smooth and fair. Presently the
sun shone out, and the old thatched roof looked bright and fair, a
picture of rare beauty, in the golden rays.

"How beautiful the roof looks!" cried one who saw it. "How beautiful the
thatched roof looks!" said another. "Ah," said the old thatched roof,
"rather let them say, 'How beautiful is the loving moss!' For it spends
itself in covering up all my faults, keeping the knowledge of them all to
herself, and by her own grace, making my age and poverty wear the garb of
youth and luxuriance."

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Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on June 02, 2006, 08:56:54 AM
Secrets of Happy Home Life - Page 9

by J. R. Miller, 1894


So it is that love covers the plainness and the coarseness of the
lowliest home. It hides its dreariness and its faults. It softens its
roughness. It changes its pain into profit, and its loss into gain.


Let us live more for our homes. Let us love one another more. Let us
cease to complain, criticize and contradict each other. Let us be more
patient with each other's faults. Let us not keep back the warm loving
words that lie in our hearts until it is too late for them to give
comfort.
Soon separations will come. One of every wedded pair will
stand by the other's coffin and grave. Then every bitter word spoken, and
every neglect of love's duty, will be as a thorn in the heart.

Thomas Carlyle, that gifted author, when he passed the spot where he had
last seen his wife alive, would bare his old head in wind or rain, his
features wrung with bitter, unavailing sorrow. "Oh", he would say, "if I
could see her but for five minutes, to assure her that I really cared for
her throughout all that time! But she never knew it—she never knew it!"

We must give account for our idle silences as well as for our idle
words.


"Happy the home when God is there,
And love fills every breast;
When one their wish, and one their prayer,
And one their heavenly rest.

Happy the home where Jesus' Name
Is sweet to every ear;
Where children early lisp His fame,
And parents hold Him dear.

Happy the home where prayer is heard,
And praise is used to rise;
Where parents love the sacred Word
That makes us truly wise.

Lord, let us in our homes agree,
This blessed peace to gain;
Until our hearts in love to Thee,
And love to all will reign."
–Henry Ware


Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: nChrist on June 02, 2006, 09:02:13 AM
Brothers, I feel led to add one more small, very old TRUTH about children. This discussion could not be complete without mentioning our Biblical dutires to our children. I hope you enjoy this and get some ideas to continue our discussion.
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Every one of those little creatures
will be either in heaven--or in hell


(John Angell James, "Parental Earnestness" 1847)

"Bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord."
    (Ephesians 6:4)

Fond mother, look at that babe hanging on your bosom,
and those other children sporting around your knee. And
you, the father of the family, watching them indulge in
joyous emotions and playful expressions--pause, ponder,
reflect--millions of ages from that moment of domestic
ecstasy, every one of those little creatures will be
either in heaven--or in hell
; will be a seraph--or a
fiend; will be enduring inconceivable torment--or enjoying
ineffable felicity; will be be an associate with the devil
and his demons in everlasting fire--or a companion with
the innumerable company of angels in everlasting glory!

Overwhelming thought!

How tremendous is the responsibility of a parent! The
immortal destiny of your children should be your one
great, commanding, controlling, absorbing object!


Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 02, 2006, 09:26:22 AM
Quote
How tremendous is the responsibility of a parent! The
immortal destiny of your children should be your one
great, commanding, controlling, absorbing object!


Amen brother. It indeed should be the utmost focal point in the life of a parent. To do all they can to see their children walking in the ways of the Lord.



Title: Re: A BIG QUESTION???
Post by: Shammu on June 02, 2006, 02:28:20 PM

Every one of those little creatures
will be either in heaven--or in hell


(John Angell James, "Parental Earnestness" 1847)

"Bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord."
    (Ephesians 6:4)

Fond mother, look at that babe hanging on your bosom,
and those other children sporting around your knee. And
you, the father of the family, watching them indulge in
joyous emotions and playful expressions--pause, ponder,
reflect--millions of ages from that moment of domestic
ecstasy, every one of those little creatures will be
either in heaven--or in hell
; will be a seraph--or a
fiend; will be enduring inconceivable torment--or enjoying
ineffable felicity; will be be an associate with the devil
and his demons in everlasting fire--or a companion with
the innumerable company of angels in everlasting glory!

Overwhelming thought!

How tremendous is the responsibility of a parent! The
immortal destiny of your children should be your one
great, commanding, controlling, absorbing object!
AMEN for the seeds we sow (as parents), will lead to salvation or doom.