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Title: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Bronzesnake on April 19, 2006, 11:51:56 AM
 You know I really have to laugh when I see all the fuss about the so called “Lost Gospel Of Judas” This is just the latest of many attempts being made by an overwhelmingly atheistic media which has shown a programmatic hostility to orthodox Christianity and an odd sympathy for heresy.

 Here’s a sample of the kind of outlandish language being used to describe this text… “One of the most significant biblical finds of the last century—a lost gospel that could challenge what is believed about the story of Judas and his betrayal"of Jesus.” First of all, this text is not, and never has been “Biblical” in the sense that it is any part of accepted cannon. These kind of wild statements are purposefully designed to fool the unlearned. It’s a common example of the kind of hostility toward orthodox Christianity we see all too often in media today.

 Anything, which puts a literal rendering of the Holy Bible into question, is given “academy award” status, and promoted as being “authentic” yes, the texts are authentic as far as actually existing, however, the texts were not added into the cannon because they were written hundreds of years after the accepted Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, which date back to within 40 to 70 years after the actual events took place, and if you believe the latest evidence, the four gospels are probably much closer than the 40 to 70 years being ascribed to them at present.

This “Judas gospel” is part of the Gnostic writings, which are not “Gospels” but, rather, could be loosely referred to as “scriptures”, and more correctly referred to as a disingenuous attempt to rewrite the legitimate Gospels. Right from the start, the names prescribed to the Gnostic “gospels” are forgeries.
The Gnostic “gospel” of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary (Magdalene) etc. None of these scriptures were written by the authors ascribed to them, these scriptures are falsified right from the start.

If we’re going to make such grandiose statements such as “One of the most significant biblical finds of the last century—a lost gospel that could challenge what is believed about the story of Judas and his betrayal” in reference to this “Gospel of Judas nonsense, then we may as well add the “scriptures” of David Koresh and Jimmy Jones to the list as well.

John


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 19, 2006, 12:06:29 PM
Amen brother. We know that the true Gospels were written much earlier than the ascribed timeframe popularly given to them. They were written by the eyewitnesses to the events of Jesus' life and were written during the time of their ministry's.

The false gnostic writings were written by indivivduals that wanted to destroy the word of God and support their false teachings. These people that are supporting such things today are getting desperate and will grab at anything to deceive the public into their way of thinking.

They will se in the end their mistake and will have to account ofr it personally when it is too late for them to change their minds.



Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Bronzesnake on April 19, 2006, 12:26:45 PM
Amen brother. We know that the true Gospels were written much earlier than the ascribed timeframe popularly given to them. They were written by the eyewitnesses to the events of Jesus' life and were written during the time of their ministry's.

The false gnostic writings were written by indivivduals that wanted to destroy the word of God and support their false teachings. These people that are supporting such things today are getting desperate and will grab at anything to deceive the public into their way of thinking.

They will se in the end their mistake and will have to account ofr it personally when it is too late for them to change their minds.



Guess who bought the Judas gospels, and had them plastered all over the media Pastor Roger....

National Geographic! These clowns keep posting articles about the solid evidence for evolution, only to have articles which are exclusively evidence for microevolution!  :D EEEDEEOTS! :P

There's hardly ever a serious program on TV which takes the true Gospels and presents the very solid evidence for their reliability. But the second one of these flood "experts" comes on TV, or a new "gospel" is found such as this goofy Judas stuff, then it's all -  sing along now! "overtures, curtain lights, this is it, the night of nights, and oh what fun we'll have! On with the show this is it!" ;D

John


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 19, 2006, 12:35:07 PM
LOL  ........  the cartoons are more educational than they are. It would figure that NG would do such after all look at who is running the show there.



Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 19, 2006, 03:02:10 PM
We have the Da Vinci Code, The gospel of Judas, The Jesus Pares and now we have The Jesus Dynasty. It is yet another book touting archaeological "evidence" that is blasphemous to say the least. It questions the Bible in aspects like Joseph and Jesus being a carpenter. Calling Him a "day laborer" instead. It also questions Jesus' lineage claiming it is not what the Bible says it to be. There is even a claim that the tomb of the "royal family" of Jesus has been located along with the bones of Mary Magdelene and other members of Jesus' family including the bones of Jesus.

These people just will not give up until they think that the truth of Jesus has been buried for good.



Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Shammu on April 19, 2006, 04:33:30 PM
Y'all know the closer we come to the end of Grace. The more, and more this will happen. How did the song go............. "Baby you ain't seen nothing yet." I think we have a little longer before Jesus calls us home.


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 19, 2006, 05:20:34 PM
Y'all know the closer we come to the end of Grace. The more, and more this will happen. How did the song go............. "Baby you ain't seen nothing yet." I think we have a little longer before Jesus calls us home.


Yes, we will see more of these things and they will pick up in intensity and speed.



Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Bronzesnake on April 19, 2006, 10:22:24 PM

Yes, we will see more of these things and they will pick up in intensity and speed.



It's getting increasingly harder for those people who are actually seeking the truth with all these "expert" testimonials around.

The good news for today is that I went for a long drive to Toronto with my friend Dave, who I posted about a while back - he's the guy who totally rejected Jesus and got hostile about it. Dave is actually wanting me to tell him all about Jesus today, and it appears that he is heading in the right direction my brothers!

John


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 19, 2006, 10:40:23 PM
It's getting increasingly harder for those people who are actually seeking the truth with all these "expert" testimonials around.

The good news for today is that I went for a long drive to Toronto with my friend Dave, who I posted about a while back - he's the guy who totally rejected Jesus and got hostile about it. Dave is actually wanting me to tell him all about Jesus today, and it appears that he is heading in the right direction my brothers!

John

Praise God! That's great news brother.



Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Bronzesnake on April 20, 2006, 12:10:54 AM
Praise God! That's great news brother.


Yes it is great news my brother, and thank you, because I know you, and others were praying for Dave! :D

John


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Rookieupgrade1 on April 20, 2006, 08:06:07 AM
Anything, which puts a literal rendering of the Holy Bible into question, is given “academy award” status, and promoted as being “authentic” yes, the texts are authentic as far as actually existing, however, the texts were not added into the cannon because they were written hundreds of years after the accepted Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, which date back to within 40 to 70 years after the actual events took place, and if you believe the latest evidence, the four gospels are probably much closer than the 40 to 70 years being ascribed to them at present.

This “Judas gospel” is part of the Gnostic writings, which are not “Gospels” but, rather, could be loosely referred to as “scriptures”, and more correctly referred to as a disingenuous attempt to rewrite the legitimate Gospels. Right from the start, the names prescribed to the Gnostic “gospels” are forgeries.
The Gnostic “gospel” of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary (Magdalene) etc. None of these scriptures were written by the authors ascribed to them, these scriptures are falsified right from the start.


John


you said it all right there Brother.

I read a little of the "gospel of mary" when I heard about the contiversy over it...................it's crap. you can tell right away that it is a self serving (not God serving) piece of junk that someone thought they could rattle the faith with.

Didn't waste any more time with the "other" gospels.


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: nChrist on April 20, 2006, 08:56:20 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

I don't think it's a coincidence that the devil is bringing the gnostic writings to light again. The gnostic writings represented the devil's attempt to stop or confuse GOD'S WORD then, and that's all they are worth now.

We do know that GOD'S WORD was not stopped, and the devil has not been able to destroy it over all these years. The only tool that the devil has is confusion, and he uses that with cunning quite well.

I think that all Christians should easily recognize that all of the things of the LORD are under assault from just about every angle. This is a time to stand up and speak up. It's always a time for prayer and asking GOD to strengthen us, guide us, and mold us for HIS use to say and do the things that bring GLORY to GOD.

Men trying to bring glory to themselves should be a hint that they are probably a false messenger and false teacher. The same would be true for men trying to bring glory or acceptance of things of this world. Christians should expect many false messengers and false teachers. It's sad that the Bible tells us that they will deceive many, so we know beyond any doubt that many will be deceived. Our part will be to yield to GOD'S WILL and go forth with whatever work HE has for us to do. Brothers and Sisters, we should go forth gladly and with joy.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Philippians 3:8-9 NASB  More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: nChrist on April 20, 2006, 11:05:27 AM
It's getting increasingly harder for those people who are actually seeking the truth with all these "expert" testimonials around.

The good news for today is that I went for a long drive to Toronto with my friend Dave, who I posted about a while back - he's the guy who totally rejected Jesus and got hostile about it. Dave is actually wanting me to tell him all about Jesus today, and it appears that he is heading in the right direction my brothers!

John

Amen Bronzesnake,

Brother, this is more good news to give thanks for. The Holy Spirit has softened Dave's heart, and he's now ready to hear the Word of God. Brother, we both know that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Many will be praying that Dave accepts JESUS soon. It's a beautiful thing to watch when someone starts seeking JESUS. JESUS is waiting with open arms.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Ephesians 5:1-2 NASB  Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma.


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: airIam2worship on April 20, 2006, 12:05:55 PM

Yes, we will see more of these things and they will pick up in intensity and speed.



Amen Brothers, that means one thing we all have our work cut out for us we need to get more people to know the REAL TRUTH before their minds are so warped with all this nonsense. The sad thing about it is that a lot of people are allowing their eternity to be chosen for them by not searching for the REAL TRUTH, and when it's presented to them their minds are so full of the garbage they've read, seen or heard that it is difficult for them to see the TRUTH.
That is satan's tactic, that is how he works, thank God we know better, and that we are in a position to be able to teach others and lead them to Christ before it's too late.


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Shammu on April 20, 2006, 02:06:39 PM
It's getting increasingly harder for those people who are actually seeking the truth with all these "expert" testimonials around.

The good news for today is that I went for a long drive to Toronto with my friend Dave, who I posted about a while back - he's the guy who totally rejected Jesus and got hostile about it. Dave is actually wanting me to tell him all about Jesus today, and it appears that he is heading in the right direction my brothers!

John
AMEN!! Thats great news brother. I will keep praying for Dave.


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: airIam2worship on April 20, 2006, 02:15:04 PM
It's getting increasingly harder for those people who are actually seeking the truth with all these "expert" testimonials around.

The good news for today is that I went for a long drive to Toronto with my friend Dave, who I posted about a while back - he's the guy who totally rejected Jesus and got hostile about it. Dave is actually wanting me to tell him all about Jesus today, and it appears that he is heading in the right direction my brothers!

John

Brother John that is wonderful news, I will be praying for Dave, that his eyes will be opened. And I will also be praying for you brother, that the Holy Spirit will give you all the right words to say.


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: RKJ on April 20, 2006, 02:19:55 PM
Gospel of Judas is indeed Devil's plot just to confuse the beleivers and feed the skeptics.  But the sad truth is that people are drawn to such sensational revelations (!?)  NG forums are a proof for that.  Many in the forum say that all christians ought to be open about it, and few christians login to refute the gospel of judas as gnostic.


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Bronzesnake on April 20, 2006, 02:26:31 PM
Amen Brothers, that means one thing we all have our work cut out for us we need to get more people to know the REAL TRUTH before their minds are so warped with all this nonsense. The sad thing about it is that a lot of people are allowing their eternity to be chosen for them by not searching for the REAL TRUTH, and when it's presented to them their minds are so full of the garbage they've read, seen or heard that it is difficult for them to see the TRUTH.
That is satan's tactic, that is how he works, thank God we know better, and that we are in a position to be able to teach others and lead them to Christ before it's too late.

You are so wide Maria!
I said this same thing to my friend Dave yesterday. satan is an extremely powerful being, with super angelic intelligence. Yes, he is rejected and condemned by God Almighty, but that has not decreased satan's strengths. he was created as the most beautiful, and special of all God's created beings. he is demonic, but he is also every bit as powerful as ever, only now, he uses that aw some God given power and ability to do evil. I told my friend that satan is constantly attempting to get us to turn away from God Almighty. I warned my friend that satan is the master deceiver, and that every rotten, dirty, lustful, deceitful, cunning, twisted plan ever hatched in the history of God's Creation is directly attributed back to satan. That is a fact my friends.

There is no bounds to satan's deceits. he will take what we love, and use it against us, he will take what we fear and use it against us, he will take what we don't understand, and cause us to understand it in his own terms.

If we are to believe in Jesus, we must also be very aware of satan. When we minister to others, we must also warn them of satan.

To Continue On Next Post...


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Bronzesnake on April 20, 2006, 02:28:38 PM
Here's an example of an exchange I had with my friend Dave, who is an unbeliever, and is now beginning to hunger for the Truth of Jesus.

Dave said to me...what about this Indian Shaman up North who believes in the spirit world, and who does contact our ancestors ( Dave is half Ojibwa, I am half Cherokee) but this shaman also has a picture of Jesus in his house, and he keeps pictures of Jesus, and crucifix's in his sweat lodge?

I then asked Dave...OK Dave, who is Jesus?
Dave's response...Jesus is like a light in a dark place, Jesus is part of the light energy...I stopped Dave right there. I told Dave that he was talking in new age terminology. I asked Dave again, who is Jesus? When Dave began to use new age terminology again to describe Jesus, I stopped him again, and I asked him directly.

Is Jesus God? He was stumped, then he began to murmur, "well, Jesus is the 'son' of God" so without going into a long winded explanation about the Trinity, I came right to the point. I said, Dave, Jesus Himself, said He was God.
Dave's mouth dropped open a wee bit, and it was at that exact point that I could see Jesus begin to literally work in Dave, because Dave's entire attitude changed right then and there, and he began to earnestly ask all about Jesus, and instead of having snappy replies, he was quiet, and actually listened to me.

I warned Dave about the new age terminology he was using, and I informed Dave - that kind of thinking, and language was directly from satan! I told Dave that he had very little chance of resisting satan without the love and help of Jesus in his life.
Dave is on his way my friends. He honestly and truly hungers for more of Jesus. I could see it on his face, he was being totally honest, and I could see that Jesus is working in Dave's heart.

It really was a wonderful thing to wittiness my friends.

John


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: airIam2worship on April 20, 2006, 02:37:02 PM
AMEN Brothe John.

on a lighter note, it's a good thing I know you are in a different country and use different ...how should I say it.....ok .. uh terminology....  ;D for a split second there
I forgot you're in Canada,  :D I thought wide meant fat. LOL   ;D  ;D  ;D
your sister in Christ,
Maria


Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 20, 2006, 02:44:18 PM
Amen brother, that's great news.


AMEN Brothe John.

on a lighter note, it's a good thing I know you are in a different country and use different ...how should I say it.....ok .. uh terminology....  ;D for a split second there
I forgot you're in Canada,  :D I thought wide meant fat. LOL   ;D  ;D  ;D
your sister in Christ,
Maria


I didn't even notice that. I guess that's because while in service I knew quite a few Canadians and was therefore used to the differences.



Title: Re: The "Gospel of Judas"
Post by: Shammu on April 20, 2006, 02:47:54 PM
Amen brother, that's great news.



I didn't even notice that. I guess that's because while in service I knew quite a few Canadians and was therefore used to the differences.


The same here PR, as for the different termology.