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I hear some people, mainly in the States, have been getting up in arms over Harry Potter - saying all that wizardry and magic is polluting kids' minds and turning them away from true religion.

What do you think?

Have you read any of the books?  And if so, did you enjoy them?

Me, I think they're brilliant.  Shame about the films though.  8)

I, personally, love the books as well. I have all five, but I haven't yet read the fifth one. I hear it's good, though. I didn't think the movies were too bad...I'll stick with the books anyway.

It's a shame that so many people are against the series, really. Depriving themselves of a great fantasy story.

*Prepares for close-minded onslaught...*

I have yet to get a reply on what makes Lord of the Rings, Chronicles of Narnia, and Pilgrims Progress different from Harry Potter. The Witchcraft in Harry Potter is like the violence on Loony Toons. It is unrealistic. Can a child drop a battleship or an anvil on another Child? No. Can a child fly on a broom and cast a spell causing the playground bully to turn into a frog? No. If you don’t support Harry Potter because of the witchcraft, then on top of not reading any of C.S. Lewis’s Masterpieces we call Novels, you can’t watch Buggy Bunny and the gang!

Superb. All five of them.

Good Toilet Papper ;D

i'm a huge fan of Harry....have read the first four books 3 times each, and currently reading the fifth book for the second time.  i respect everyone's right to their own opinion about HP.... as long as they've read at least one of the books for themselves and given it a fair shot. i don't understand people who are against something they've never read.

Harry Potter is evil and filled with WITCHCRAFT!!!!! It's NOT FANTASY!!!!!!!!!! IT IS WITCHCRAFT!!!!

 You do not need to read it to know the evil of it!

Harry Potter is evil and filled with WITCHCRAFT!!!!! It's NOT FANTASY!!!!!!!!!! IT IS WITCHCRAFT!!!!

Your antics make me laugh. I know for a fact you've never read the books...You've stated this many times before, so...

You do not need to read it to know the evil of it!

If that's what you believe, you're not going to be able to persuade anyone to do anything, ever. How can YOU judge for yourself, when all you know about it is what other people tell you? Read the books, make an opinion for yourself, then come back and make an educated argument.

Don't act like you know what you're talking about, when all you know is what you've been spoon-fed by other biased, uninformed Christians.

Prove to me that these books are Satanic, or that they promote witchcraft. Heck, give me ONE reliable source that shows an increase in cultic participation since and because of the Harry Potter books, and I'll consider it.

If all you are going to say is something like, "HaRrY pOtTeR iS tEh DeViL!!!11!!1!" then go away.

I believe it says in the Bible (can't seem to remember where) that "Not what enters into a man, but only what comes out of him can make him unclean."

I hate to make another post like this, but I just noticed something...

It's NOT FANTASY!!!!!!!!!!

What the HECK are you smoking? Must be something, if you see flying cars, hippogriffs, and other obviously fake and fantastic things. If it's NOT fantasy, than just what is it? "Witchcraft" isn't a genre of writing, which rules out your next statement ("IT IS WITCHCRAFT!!!!").

The Harry Potter books do not teach children how to perform spells, talk to Satan, and other things that are indeed anti-Christian. All they do is provide a stimulation for one's imagination.

Harry Potter is fantasy. Nothing more or less.

Satanic

thank you, Sapphire.  couldn't have said it better myself!

Harry Potter - satanic trash

Brother Love :)

Actually I'd like to know exactly what is evil about the books.

Any thoughts from the 'satanic' crowd?

Brother Love and div15mech, please state a reason that you think Harry Potter is Satanic...

Sapphire W34PON: the scripture you were looking for is;
"Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man." [Matt. 15.11]. I know, I used to use this long ago to justify my smoking cigs. I was so wrong.
As for the Harry Potter books, I agree with Ambassdor4Christ.
Great toilet paper.
No, I have not read them. But then I do not need to go look at child porn to know it is evil also.
These books are not from God, nor do they bring glory to God.
And if they are not of God, then they are of the world.
"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him." [1 John 2.15].
When we are not willing to let go of the ways of the world, we will always find a way to justify it to ourself and others.
We either live our life for He who died for us, or for self. We cannot serve 2 masters.
Sorry if some do not want to hear this truth, but I am only commanded to give the truth, not make anyone obey the truth. I can lead you to the water of truth, but I cannot make you drink it. That choice is yours. I know, I have been there.
Your brother in Christ. Roy.

Royo.

Two questions:

Exactly what must a piece of literature 'do' to be "of God?"

Do you believe the fictional works of Lewis and Tolkien are therefore not "of God" as well?

For a writing to be 'of God' means that it was inspired by God, not by man. Man may have written it, but it was inspired by God the Holy Spirit. Also, any writing must help us or teach us spiritually in some way. If not, then it is just something that feeds the pleasure of the flesh. I am not saying that makes it satanic, but worldly.
As for fictional books, there are many that are both enjoyable and spiritually uplifting or instructional. Like Pilgrim's Progress, and many others. Dee Henderson is also a good example of a book that is quite enjoyable, yet uplifts the soul spiritually and teaches about the Lord Jesus Christ.
I just cannot imagine Jesus reading Harry Potter and saying,
"wow, good book."
These are just my thoughts and feelings; we each must determine if what we are reading is for the pleasure of the flesh, or for spiritual uplifting. And it is not just books; it is also T.V., movies, and all other forms of "entertainment".
Is it to feed the desires of the flesh, or for spiritual enlightenmment and uplifting?
Jesus did not die so we all could have a good time, but so that we might have a relationship with God our Father.
Again, this is how I read the Word of God, and what it tells me about how we are to live our life in this world.
Your brother in Christ. Roy.

And you deside what is god-inspired? Without even reading the book, you can proclaim it worldly?

The internet?
smiley?
a computer?
Cars?
Planes?
The English language?

Are these things god-inspired or man-made? Prove it one way or the other, if you even can.

The Harry Potter books' main focus is not witchcraft or anything 'worldly;' rather, they are about friendship, bravery, personal sacrafice, overcoming evil, among other uplifting aspects. Sure, there are points in the books that may be considered quite the opposite of the above, but the books do not in any way encourage THAT kind of behavior.

Honestly, it is not hard or wrong to pick up a book and read it for informational purposes so you can form your own opinion. I don't see why people are so against something they've never even read...

It is not against anything to read the Koran to better understand the Muslim religion. Why can't the Harry Potter books be looked at the same way?

Something else caught my eye...

I just cannot imagine Jesus reading Harry Potter and saying,
"wow, good book."

And you know the mind of God, how...?

Take a look at your own profile, Royo. "Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore, get wisdom: and with all thy getting, get understanding (Proverbs 4:7)." Seems like a good idea to me...

Royo,

I can and do respect your position. It actually is akin to what many monastics do to bring themselves closer to God. Which isn't to say they dismiss such literature as of no value, but have only an interest in those materials more explicitly Christian.

Where I take issue however is requiring literature (if I understand you correctly) to in fact BE explicitly Christian. You must realize that the likes of Tolkien and Lewis are so effective because their works deal with the concept of right and wrong/good and evil in very explicit terms, and Christianity only implicitly. This isn't because they lacked respect for their own faith, but because they realized that literature possessed of a moral imagination cannot 'preach the faith' as it were. It must first seize the readers imagination and infuse it with a sense of awe and wonder.

The Bible is THE sacred text, and as such deserves our utmost reverence. But as a piece of literature, it simply isn't the most entertaining. And any story, even one as remarkable as that of our savior's, doesn't have an undieing appeal to be re-read every day with the same imaginative joy.

Harry Potters' appeal is that it deals with good and evil, right and wrong, and contrasts them starkly. There are virtues espoused consistently in the story. The books inspire as imaginative literature of a moral character is supposed to...as Tolkien's did, and as Lewis' did.

Harry Potter and his "magick" is just the thing that millions of spiritually bankrupt people are looking for. It is also exactly what Satan has so neatly constructed to deceive, trap and detour those millions into his awaiting Hell.

Why are so many spirit-filled people reading and enjoying it then?

Eric Barger's Three Arguments
Against Harry Potter


1) Overt Occult Endorsement or "Harmless" Fantasy?

There is great controversy concerning the magic and occult trappings used in the Potter series. Defenders say "its just fantasy" while savvy observers maintain that the positive promotion of witchcraft and sorcery in today's TV, cartoons, motion pictures, books, music and the like represent occult practices as an acceptable lifestyle to many.

Eric Barger believes that through the often subtle and occasionally overt occult practices carried out by characters in J.K. Rowling's series, there is a general dulling of the conscience concerning the occult. Through exposure and acceptance, readers slowly begin to view the occult in a favorable light, abandoning any thought about the very real and present danger that interaction with the occult realm can and does bring.

FANTASY?

Though we are told repeatedly that Potter represents only "fantasy", shouldn't concerned parents question just what kind of fantasy we want entering our children's minds?

USA Today said the Potter story line included; "...a disembodied voice repeatedly hissing ‘kill’; monstrous, flesh-eating spiders; children being attacked and paralyzed; and an apparently dead cat hung upside down by its tail." (USA Today, June 15, 2000)

WITCHES LOVE HARRY!

Practicing witches view the Potter books as their ticket to acceptability and respectability.

"For once, the witches aren’t ugly old hags," said Michael Darnell, 39, a computer programmer from Winnipeg, Canada, who has been a practicing witch for over twenty-five years. "For once they’re the protagonists rather than the villains." (USA Today, May 30, 2000)

abcNEWS.com interview, practicing Wiccan (witch) Phyllis Curott who says:

"Sure, you are seeing witches in Harry Potter do things they don’t do in real life. But it is positive. They are friendly. They are good. The book might change the way people feel about us."

But Barger contends that the Potter characters actually do emulate witchcraft in real life. Barger states, "The fact that witches can't always connect when casting a spell isn't a problem for J.K. Rowling. She endorses any and every occult practice from the underworld to envelop her story line. The Potter series is a complete candy store selling occultism to our kids as an acceptable lifestyle and means of living."

SO, IS THE MAGIC REAL?

But is the magic real? Warner Brothers, who has bet the bank on the Potter films, says yes!

"Warner Bros claims the film is an accurate portrayal of things that happen in witchcraft…"

We presume they have inadvertently let the real cat out of the bag with this assertion.

2) Endorsement of Moral Relativism

Harry Potter is the poster child for relative ethics and morals. That is the "good" characters employ the same principles, standards and techniques as the "evil" characters including:

Virtually every conceivable Occult teaching and practice
Drunkenness
Cursing
Lying/Dishonesty/Revenge
Relative standards for Ethics, Morals and Integrity
Remember, we are referring to the good characters.

Forget the occultism for a moment! Isn't a hero like Harry Potter lying to get his way and his cohorts being drunk enough to nix him from any list of possible role models for our youth? That's what readers get as the Potter story progresses from book to book.

And true to what she has said, Rowling has made the story progressively darker during the first four books. She states that she will continue to do so through the seventh book as well.

3) The Separation of Church and State

What in the world is going on here? The A.C.L.U. has called the phrase "God Bless America" a "hurtful divisive message" and has called for school districts nationwide to cease displaying it on public property! Halloween, witchcraft's number one holiday (the fall solstice), is heralded without question in classrooms far and wide. No thought is ever given as to the actual basis for all the trappings of this occult holiday. And concerning Harry Potter, children in many grade levels across our country are being ostracized, ridiculed and even suspended from school if they dare refuse to read the Potter books which are often given as mandatory assignments!

Has anyone noticed the Bible being used in mandatory public classroom settings recently? If not, how can Potter books - which endorse the bonafide religion of witchcraft and that make a mockery of anyone daring question witchcraft's viability as a lifestyle - be doled out in our public schools? Again, we ask - WHAT IS WRONG HERE?

That is the same argument they use to prove Cartoon violence is wrong. Yeah, Harry Potter endorses Witch Craft like Elmer Fud endorses School shootings.

LOL ;D

This only demonstrates that those who demonize Harry Potter must also demonize the works of Tolkien and Lewis. Maybe you feel they're also corrupting, but for goodness sake admit as much so the full train of your logic can reach a conclusion and I can respond appropriately.

Otherwise, please explain to me how they're different.

The bit about wiccans drawing inspiration is entirely moot by the way. Accordingly it would mean that when people twist passages from scripture to justify immorality, that scripture and God are responsible.

Thank you Ambassador4Christ.
I was not able to put it well as you have.
My thoughts and feelings about the Potter books are just that, my thoughts and feelings. I ask no one to agree with them. You make your own choices. That is between you and God.
I live according to what I BELIEVE my Father has shown me.
You are free to do the same. I would not tell someone else how they must honor the One who died for them. But I do share my thoughts on the subject. If anyone does not agree, that is fine.
You say I and others 'demonize' Harry Potter. My goodness, you speak as if he is a real person that I am demonizing. I share my thoughts and beliefs, and you accuse me of demonizing some fictional character. I have to wonder why you find it so important to defend this evil work.
Be that as it may, if you want to read them, by all means do so. You don't need my approval.
Roy.

Royo,

My comments were directed primarily at A4C.


Nearly all critics are prone to imagine that they know a great many facts relevant to a book which in reality they don't know...There was a very good instance of this in the reviews of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. Most critics assumed that it must be a political allegory and a good many thought that the master Ring must "be" the atomic bomb. Anyone who knew the real history of the composition knew that this was not only erroneous, but impossible; chronologically impossible...Now of course nobody blames the critics for not knowing these things: how should they? The trouble is that they don't know they don't know. A guess leaps into their minds and they write it down without even noticing that it is a guess.

C.S. Lewis
Of Other Worlds: Essays and Stories
"On Criticism"

C.S. LEWIS: FOR HIM THE BIBLE WAS A SHADOWY LAND

 :D

It's like you people have never picked up a Bible...There's sex, nudity, wars and murder beyond number, demonic posession, among several other things that Chiristians normally view as "evil."

A4C, I'm not even going to begin to say how fake that article you posted is. Show me a link to where you found it.

Goodness, it's like some of you are against anything FUN. God gave us an imagination; why can't we use Harry Potter to stimulate it?

What’s Wrong With Harry Potter? Part 1 of 2

Gregory R. Reid, DD

On the heels of the riotous release of the new Harry Potter book, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, and the yet to be confirmed opinion by a major ministry that the Harry Potter series is harmless, I have felt it necessary to write my own comments on this issue. Many parents will not like it. Neither will some pastors. Please do NOT ask me if I care. Right now I am so angry at the level of compromise I am encountering among believers on occult matters that I am not interested in popular opinion. I am just interested in truth as I have come to understand it, according to the flawless, perfect Word of God. If you don't like that, don't read this. I did not survive and live to be a relatively healthy, intact adult after suffering horrific abuse, by "ac-centuating the positive and e-liminating the negative." When I became a follower of Jesus thirty one years ago today as I write this, I was a wounded, bleeding mess. No psychology could have healed me. I'd already been judged as "the most messed up person I have ever met" by one psychologist I sought help from at 17. No, I survived purely because of one Book - and I devoured it like a starving man. My first Bible was tattered in a year, every line highlighted, the margins filled with notes. No one will ever know what that Book has meant to me. Knowing the Author has made every word alive to me.

So what does that have to do with Harry Potter? For the believer, everything. I find it unfortunate and heartbreaking that I am having to go over basic, simple truth regarding the occult for believers, because they are not being told - much less taught - the truth, and it is continually being blocked at a pulpit level. I've sounded the alarm about this for years. Now, perhaps, I can help you see the result of Biblically ignorant believers and blatant disregard for God's opinion on the occult. Now we have druids and British pastors meeting to "dialogue" and find common ground. Now, we have believers slithering like snakes in church and even sounding like pigs. I am not making this up: They have the audacity to call it the "anoinking of the Spirit." THIS is what results from no real clear teaching on what is of God and what is of the occult.

Now, we have Pokemon and Harry Potter, and who cares? It's harmless, right? Just some cards. Just a fairy tale book with GREAT lessons about good vs. evil, where good always wins! Isn't that positive for kids, doesn't it teach kids to love books? To love reading?

Listen, I know a GREAT book that teaches both WITHOUT witchcraft! But then, if the parents think it's so boring and useless that they only read it in church, and don't bother reading it to their kids, how can you expect kids to either love it or learn from it? I'm talking about the Bible of course. And I fully believe that communicated well, the Bible is flat-out the most interesting, powerful book in the universe. And unlike Harry Potter, it's TRUE.

As to teaching kids to love reading, I know plenty of satanist kids who are profoundly addicted to both reading and learning - from books on the Black Arts. Better an ignorant teen who loves Jesus than a killer satanist who loves to learn and has a through-the-roof I.Q., don't you think? And no, this is not a plea for raising stupid kids. But love of reading and learning is not a virtue in itself. In God's hands, it is a gift, though it is not the sainted all-important goal modern Americans think; in the devil's hands, it is a weapon; it becomes the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Love of reading is certainly not evil. Kids NEED to read. But it is NO guarantee of moral character. Ayn Rand - Voltaire - Lenin - brilliant readers and writers all - and totally godless, antichristian influences in their day. I mention this so I can knock down the ridiculous notion that Harry Potter is good because it teaches kids to love reading.

In my line of work, when you leave the "spiritual" element out of things, there is in fact a huge difference, for example, between Harry Potter, the Satanic Bible, and on a more extreme level, H.P. Lovecraft's satanic rituat book, The Necronomicon. Harry Potter is not likely to snap some child's mind and make him a psychopathic killer. The Necronomicon, a purely evil, incendiary and demonic book, could. Believe me, I understand the difference. A kid with a pocket full of Pokemon and wall covered with Potter paraphernalia would probably not qualify for me as someone who needed immediate crisis intervention. On the other hand, a kid with black walls and skulls and razors and clueless parents who stay out of his room so as not to violate his "privacy", would qualify.

When you consider the spiritual aspect, however, all of this takes on an entirely different dimension. The difference between The Necronomicon, for example, and Harry Potter is the difference between toxic death and subtle poison.

I have a dear relative who experienced slow, gradual arsenic poisoning. It was so gradual in fact, that she nearly died from it before she realized what had happened and who was behind it.

Harry Potter is just such a poison. What is the harm of Harry Potter? Just that it makes magick attractive, exciting, enticing. Kids look at THAT - and then they look at their own faith and that of the people in church, and oftentimes what they see is that the God of the Christians is presented as powerless, someone who is far removed from us and has no authority over evil. I have never known that God - my God is FULL of power - but many kids know ONLY that misrepresentation.

Then they look at Harry Potter, and they compare "faiths" - which one do YOU think they are going to be drawn to?

And it is not so much that Harry Potter is the problem. People have ALWAYS written spiritual pornography. (That's what it is.) It is that believers refuse to take a stand against it, rather compromising with it because "all the other kids read it." Well, if you want YOUR kids to be all the other kids, then that's what you'll have. But if you understand how strong the prohibition against witchcraft is in the Bible, allowing your kids to indulge the Potter madness is not an option.

What’s Wrong With Harry Potter? Part 2 of 2

Listen to the Word of the Lord:

"Suffer not a witch to live>" (Exodus 22:18) And no, I am not suggesting this as a way to eliminate the problem with witchcraft in our country. It was something Israel had to do to protect their covenant and their country. But just because we're in New Testament times doesn't mean since we don't kill 'em therefore we just let 'em in for dinner. Which is quite literally what you do when you let Mr. Potter in the door. Now go ahead and call that extreme. But I didn't write the Bible. I'm just TELLING you what it says. You can twist it any way you please to make it say what you want it to. But if you claim to follow Jesus then understand that acceptance of witchcraft or the occult in any way shape or form, whether through Potter or the little Astrology bit you just can't resist reading in the paper, it is FORBIDDEN and it is POISON. "But", someone says, "It's FANTASY! Don't you know the difference between real witchcraft and fantasy for children?" Uh, don't YOU know the difference between real sex and pornography? Pornography is more dangerous in the long run because it blurs the line between reality and FANTASY. Potter is SPIRITUAL PORNOGRAPHY. And as even mass murderer Ted Bundy admitted before he was executed what a HUGE role pornography played in him actually acting OUT the despicable crimes he would later commit, fantasy books on magick are just as deadly because they ALSO blur the line between fantasy and reality. The argument that because it's "fantasy" it is not "dangerous" is ludicrous.

Now. The next argument is, "It's not witchcraft like the Bible says. Harry Potter is a sorcerer." (Please refer to previous articles on Christians who have no idea what the occult is.) The New King James reads: "Do not allow a sorceress to live."Witchcraft and sorcery are exactly the same thing.

Another key scripture:

"And (Manasseh) caused his sons to pass through the fire...he practiced soothsaying (telling the future - psychic hotline mean anything to you?) , used witchcraft and sorcery, and consulted mediums (psychics) and spiritists (those who talk to the dead.) He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger."

"But I don't do those things!", someone protests. Well Harry does it all. So maybe you're just a "Potter enabler."

Nahum 3:4 calls this activity spiritual adultery.

Before I hear something about us being in the New Testament under grace, let's read Galatians 5:19-20: "Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are these...witchcraft..." etc. There are dozens of similar passages. Paul actually encountered a Harry Potter wannabe, who followed them around like a town cryer, saying, "Listen to these men, they show you the way to God!" I imagine some Christians, who can't tell the Holy Spirit from a demon spirit, and who don't know the truth of the scripture from the deception of the world through the media, would have said, "Wow, she's really supportive of Paul!" But if you read the "original Greek" (I love that phrase, it makes me feel like I'm back in Bible School!) she is actually saying, "They show you A way to God!" The devil is very sneaky, and he can fool a lot of people who don't understand how fine edged the truth is, discerning between soul and spirit, bone and marrow. The Bible doesn't say there are WAYS to God: Just one. "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life: No one comes to the Father but by Me", Jesus said, and Acts tells us that "There is NO OTHER NAME under heaven, given among men, whereby we must be saved." Paul of course, knowing the truth and full of the REAL Spirit, turned around and rebuked the spirit in her, which came out screaming I imagine. And the result was, she got saved, and a bunch of big businessmen using her occult talents to get rich got UNEMPLOYED! When the occult demon left her, she had no powers left! Isn't that great?

 

Did you know that J.K. Rowlings, author of Harry Potter, is projected to make $100 MILLION DOLLARS off of the latest Potter book, Goblet of Fire"? You better believe that the occult is big business, from Potter to Sabrina, from Marilyn Manson to the Psychic Hotlines. And I am not endearing myself with the world, nor with very many believers, in taking such a hard line against such an "innocent" story. Listen folks: I have a right to say this, most of the skeptics don't. I paid a price for 7 years of deep occult involvement, lured in part by "innocent" games like "light as a feather", Gong Hee Fot Choy, Jeanne Dixon's astrology column, and other "harmless" things. And it has left scars that are deep and permanent. (Not wounds, thank God - God heals those. The scars do remain.) So please don't tell me I am an extremist. First of all, I didn't shoot the dog. I'm just reporting God's opinion to you, and it's up to you if you want to ignore it because you don't like it, or obey it because He said it. Secondly, you are hearing from a man who nearly lost his life because of involvement in escalating occult activities that started out with "Potter-type" stuff. And I am a voice crying in the wilderness against our complacent compromise. Why? Because while we are talking cutesy about this WONDERFUL book series that makes kids want to read, I am wondering what the results will be from a satanic rock band that recently came to Dallas and convinced 5,000 kids to get on their knees in a mockery of the Christian altar call and give their lives to satan! And you wonder why I am so extreme. Sheesh. You do the math.

No - kids who read Harry Potter won't automatically become devil worshippers. But EVERY kid who reads it will open up the door of their mind - some a little, some a lot - to the whispers, influences and lies of demonic spirits. That's just spiritual fact. Get angry at me if you must - if I'm wrong, well, then by all means, buy them all and read them with your kids - after all, it IS a terrific read. But if I am right - don't call me down the road when your kids starts participating in a Wiccan group and you are upset because you don't know where you went wrong, having raised them in church and all that. Now's your best chance to say, "I've had enough of the compromise. No more Potter, no more Pokemon, no more Halloween, no more R rated movies (ouch!) and no more contamination in my house."

"But my kids are bored with God!" That's not His fault. Do you really think a good antidote to God- boredom is an immersion in Potter mania? If you want your kids to get on fire, not with Potter's Goblet but with truth, then get into the Book of Acts, read it, believe it, live it, and walk it, and get kids to do the same. There's more supernatural in that book than a hundred books JK Rowlings might be yet to write. It's the REAL power. And if you think "God doesn't do miracles anymore" then I truly feel sorry for you, because the Devil knows differently, and as long as he can convince believers that he has more power today than God, then he can continue to devour our youth into the black hole of occultism.

As for me, I'm going to walk in the might of who God really is. I trust you will do the same, dispense with this silly and dangerous compromise and become the true warriors God has called us to be.

Gregory R. Reid

 



Read more about Harry Potter
http://www.ericbarger.com/potter.8.htm

Ambasssdor4Christ:
God must have given you the words to speak, for it could not have been put better. I pray many hear the words the Lord has given you to speak.
God bless you.  Roy.

Well, since I read the Harry Potter books, and since I liked Pokemon, and why not mention how I liked Magic cards, I play video games with "magick" in them, I've read the Lord of the Rings books and seen the movies, not to mention anything by C.S. Lewis, plus numerous other things involving magic, I'm gonna join the occult when I'm older, and I'll probably burn in hell.

Sucks to be my future.

Yeah, Good old Magic cards, and I was a part of my local Ren Faire, and Oh, dear lord, I even Read Fantasy (And genre STARTED by Christians, BTW), so I'm going to be in the occult pretty soon, too!

OH NO! I saw both Harry Potter movies AND I own the extended version of Lord of the Rings! Now I'm a WereWiccan!  ;D

I just read Part 1 of 2

Amen Brother, thanks for posting it

Brother Love :)

*Tibby casts 10th level silence spell on the Close-minded Fundamentalism*


lol, j/k ;D

Now Tibby...

You KNOW spells only go up to 9th level. Please consult your DMG for the complete rules (tsk,tsk)

*Waves stick around and says things in Latin.*

I'm of the DEVIL.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN ;D

Come on, Corpus, you know I’m using the new 3th Edition rules, now. You old guys and your 2nd Edition. In 3rdm levels can go well past 10.  ;D

Either way, it seems to work, no one has posted any more anti-Potter propaganda. ;) ANd the guys in the Catholic post and backing down too. I need to use this spell more often. At the very least, they will be scared to talk to me ;D

I'm joking, guys *Pulls out Longsword +2 and braces for attack from all sides*  ;D

I thought Harry Potter was a Ramon Catholic :)

Tibby,

Oh no my friend, I'm older than that. 2nd edition rules post-date my stint of gaming. I used (and still have) the first edition 'Advanced' rules. You remember the original hardback books?

Go figure that later editions would "change" the original intent of the game designers (ahem..).

I WAS going to suggest an ole' reliable 'feeblemind' spell, but given the posts recently it appears someone's already beaten me to it. And with ingredients like extract of condemnation and powdered presumption, I mean who wants to bother?

Brotherlove,

He was until the last book when he converted.

He's now part of the KJV Only 3rd reformed Anti-liturgical Nazarene Once saved always saved Fundamentalist Against Women in Ministry, Creationist Dispensational Premillennial Calvinistic Conservative Independent Baptist...Church of Christ

Apparently he wanted to simplify his faith.

Corpus and Tibby, you are of the few on this site who can make me laugh...

Harry Potter = satanic

Not Laughing :'(

Sapph- That is what we are hear for  ;D

A4C- Just think Elmer Fudd. ;) When Wiccan's start using broomsticks as a means of transportantion, then I will believe Harry Potter it "evil"

We've just been watching the 1961 'Breakfast at Tiffany's' and I think it's worse than Harry Potter! 8)

Audrey Hepburn's character is a lying, manipulative, smoking, drinking, social-climber. Ah - those good ole days when movies were so much more morally uplifting.... :P

Good movie, and a good point. Yeah, you can't mimic a READ magic wand or a flying broom, but the Behavior, but little girls all over the world can behave just like Holly Golightly to get what they want, or just for fun! ANd hey, it was a book first, too!!!!!!! OH NO, does that mean Breakfast and Tiffany's is... Satanic? :D

OH NO, does that mean Breakfast and Tiffany's is... Satanic?  

See? That's what I was wondering.... :-X

And let's not forget that for the little boys we have the character played by George Peppard who also smokes and drinks and is 'kept' by a married woman.  ;)

And Buddy Ebsen's character who married Holly when she was 14 and then got dumped by her 'cause she moved on!

Harry Potter = satanic

Not Laughing  :'(

Harry Potter = satanic

Not Laughing  :'(

Harry Potter = satanic

Not Laughing  :'(

Harry Potter = satanic

Not Laughing  :'(

A4C = wasting bandwidth.

Not laughing.

A4C= sounds like a broke record

Laughing. ;D

OH!


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

He's now part of the KJV Only 3rd reformed Anti-liturgical Nazarene Once saved always saved Fundamentalist Against Women in Ministry, Creationist Dispensational Premillennial Calvinistic Conservative Independent Baptist...Church of Christ

Hey~ I think I saw that church sign just down the road. I can't be sure though, I couldn't catch all of it.  ;D

     Absolutely superb!!!  I am an AVID reader, and trust me, I've read some DARK books, and Harry Potter is DEFINATLY not one of them.  In our world, we are aloud to dream.  There is fantasy, and without it, we are colorless, dreamless, boring!!!  Harry Potter is a great way to escape the real life horrors (war, violence, dirty bombs, etc.).
     And for the anti-Harry fanatics, look at it this way:  Many people who had never SEEN Jesus thought that his miracles were evil and devil-worshiping.  Jesus instead went to the people who doubted him and showed him that he truly was a son of God.  So many people act the same way with Harry Potter.  If you think its the devil, go see it yourself!  I in fact find LOTS of Christian metaphors in the book, just like Lord of the Rings or Chronicles of Narnia.  If you're going to hate, at least find out what your hating first.  
Thats all for me!

They never reply to you when you ask about Lord of the Rings or Chronicles of Narnia. And they are more gaphic and blood then HP

I agree  with A4C

Brother Love :)

One of the most annoying things in the world of message boards is when someone offers their opinion, but doesn't back it up or even explain it in the same post. It's like they need time to think of a viable excuse, when it would have been much more practical if they had just waited until they had thought of one before they posted anything at all.

It's these little things...

Yeah, all those swords and beasts and witches.  ;D

I don't think that most of the upset in Christian communities has to do with any violence factors in HP, although for some people it might. I think its the general spirit of the books, rather. Both LOTR and Narnia are 'elaborate parables' used to relay what's going on in Scriptures, i.e., Christ's sacrificial death, His second coming, and so forth.

And besides, who doesn't like to read about talking beavers?  ;D

lol, now there is a double  standard! “Oh yeah, go a head, kill all the people ya want! Start a war! Yeah, there we go, Lets finish off a whole race! As long as they don’t use magic to do it, it is Godly.” But wait, they DID use magic, didn’t they?

Besides, LOTR is on a high reading level. And CON is has an acid-trip-cream-song-yellow-submarine- feel to it. Harry Potter is easier for kids to read. Look at how it has gotten kids off the computers and such to read!

Elaborate parables? what? Is that the reasoning behind boycotting the Potter? Because he doesn't have some deep underlying Christians meaning that 90% of the people who read it are not going to get? About half of Christians, and every non-Christian who has read CON or LOTR missed the deeper Christian Allegory aspect of it. It did nothing to save anyone. They are just entertainment written by Christians. If you aren’t a Christian, and you don’t know our “secret code” for everything, you are not going to see these books as anything more then entertainment! Sounds to me like, the only reason, the REAL reason, Christians don’t support Harry Potter is because the author isn’t a member of our little club. Ah, the Harry Potter boycott, Christians elitism at its finest.

Yo, man, did I say something against Mr. Potter?

Where did our "little club" begin? I read Peter Beagle's "Last Unicorn", and he ain't no member of the "little club". (That was a cool book, by the way. Comments, anyone?)

And did I say they didn't use magic in Narnia or middle-earth? I've read 'em all, y'know! They're fantasy books. They're supposed to have magic. They wouldn't be any fun without magic.

P.S. What whole races are they finishing off?  ??? The only ones I can think of at the moment are 'orcs', and do you really want an infestation of those in your city? They're worse than Ninevites!! Trust me!

And hey, if someone wants to see CON or LOTR as entertainment, that's fine with me! If they want to see a Christian message in them, that's fine with me too! If they want to abolish Talking Beavers...welllllll, I might get a little peeved.  ;D

I'm reading The Order of the Phoenix, and wow. Never read a better book in my life.

Sorry, did I break up the conversation here?

Oh, no, no, no, I wasn’t attacking you. You where telling is what people say, and I way replying to that, not to you. I was just taking the time to make a few points your post allowed me to draw up. ;)

It's these little things...

ROFL!

*Whew*
Once again, Willowbirch has escaped the manic-fishslapper...

Well, I haven't actually read it, but I have it on tape, with Peter Beagle actually reading it, I think. I love it! Very cool.

I already read it, and I loved it! I'd like to read it again, but I don't own it yet... :'(
*sniffle*

But the library does! ;D

God bless,
nX

LOL-- Sapphire you are my hero....

:)

They're great FANTASY books guys. Calm down now...

em

REPEAT:

Harry Potter and his "magick" is just the thing that millions of spiritually bankrupt people are looking for. It is also exactly what Satan has so neatly constructed to deceive, trap and detour those millions into his awaiting Hell.

REPEAT:

Eric Barger's Three Arguments
Against Harry Potter


1) Overt Occult Endorsement or "Harmless" Fantasy?

There is great controversy concerning the magic and occult trappings used in the Potter series. Defenders say "its just fantasy" while savvy observers maintain that the positive promotion of witchcraft and sorcery in today's TV, cartoons, motion pictures, books, music and the like represent occult practices as an acceptable lifestyle to many.

Eric Barger believes that through the often subtle and occasionally overt occult practices carried out by characters in J.K. Rowling's series, there is a general dulling of the conscience concerning the occult. Through exposure and acceptance, readers slowly begin to view the occult in a favorable light, abandoning any thought about the very real and present danger that interaction with the occult realm can and does bring.

FANTASY?

Though we are told repeatedly that Potter represents only "fantasy", shouldn't concerned parents question just what kind of fantasy we want entering our children's minds?

USA Today said the Potter story line included; "...a disembodied voice repeatedly hissing ‘kill’; monstrous, flesh-eating spiders; children being attacked and paralyzed; and an apparently dead cat hung upside down by its tail." (USA Today, June 15, 2000)

WITCHES LOVE HARRY!

Practicing witches view the Potter books as their ticket to acceptability and respectability.

"For once, the witches aren’t ugly old hags," said Michael Darnell, 39, a computer programmer from Winnipeg, Canada, who has been a practicing witch for over twenty-five years. "For once they’re the protagonists rather than the villains." (USA Today, May 30, 2000)

abcNEWS.com interview, practicing Wiccan (witch) Phyllis Curott who says:

"Sure, you are seeing witches in Harry Potter do things they don’t do in real life. But it is positive. They are friendly. They are good. The book might change the way people feel about us."

But Barger contends that the Potter characters actually do emulate witchcraft in real life. Barger states, "The fact that witches can't always connect when casting a spell isn't a problem for J.K. Rowling. She endorses any and every occult practice from the underworld to envelop her story line. The Potter series is a complete candy store selling occultism to our kids as an acceptable lifestyle and means of living."

SO, IS THE MAGIC REAL?

But is the magic real? Warner Brothers, who has bet the bank on the Potter films, says yes!

"Warner Bros claims the film is an accurate portrayal of things that happen in witchcraft…"

We presume they have inadvertently let the real cat out of the bag with this assertion.

2) Endorsement of Moral Relativism

Harry Potter is the poster child for relative ethics and morals. That is the "good" characters employ the same principles, standards and techniques as the "evil" characters including:

Virtually every conceivable Occult teaching and practice
Drunkenness
Cursing
Lying/Dishonesty/Revenge
Relative standards for Ethics, Morals and Integrity
Remember, we are referring to the good characters.

Forget the occultism for a moment! Isn't a hero like Harry Potter lying to get his way and his cohorts being drunk enough to nix him from any list of possible role models for our youth? That's what readers get as the Potter story progresses from book to book.

And true to what she has said, Rowling has made the story progressively darker during the first four books. She states that she will continue to do so through the seventh book as well.

3) The Separation of Church and State

What in the world is going on here? The A.C.L.U. has called the phrase "God Bless America" a "hurtful divisive message" and has called for school districts nationwide to cease displaying it on public property! Halloween, witchcraft's number one holiday (the fall solstice), is heralded without question in classrooms far and wide. No thought is ever given as to the actual basis for all the trappings of this occult holiday. And concerning Harry Potter, children in many grade levels across our country are being ostracized, ridiculed and even suspended from school if they dare refuse to read the Potter books which are often given as mandatory assignments!

Has anyone noticed the Bible being used in mandatory public classroom settings recently? If not, how can Potter books - which endorse the bonafide religion of witchcraft and that make a mockery of anyone daring question witchcraft's viability as a lifestyle - be doled out in our public schools? Again, we ask - WHAT IS WRONG HERE?
 
 
 

What’s Wrong With Harry Potter? Part 1 of 2

Gregory R. Reid, DD

On the heels of the riotous release of the new Harry Potter book, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, and the yet to be confirmed opinion by a major ministry that the Harry Potter series is harmless, I have felt it necessary to write my own comments on this issue. Many parents will not like it. Neither will some pastors. Please do NOT ask me if I care. Right now I am so angry at the level of compromise I am encountering among believers on occult matters that I am not interested in popular opinion. I am just interested in truth as I have come to understand it, according to the flawless, perfect Word of God. If you don't like that, don't read this. I did not survive and live to be a relatively healthy, intact adult after suffering horrific abuse, by "ac-centuating the positive and e-liminating the negative." When I became a follower of Jesus thirty one years ago today as I write this, I was a wounded, bleeding mess. No psychology could have healed me. I'd already been judged as "the most messed up person I have ever met" by one psychologist I sought help from at 17. No, I survived purely because of one Book - and I devoured it like a starving man. My first Bible was tattered in a year, every line highlighted, the margins filled with notes. No one will ever know what that Book has meant to me. Knowing the Author has made every word alive to me.

So what does that have to do with Harry Potter? For the believer, everything. I find it unfortunate and heartbreaking that I am having to go over basic, simple truth regarding the occult for believers, because they are not being told - much less taught - the truth, and it is continually being blocked at a pulpit level. I've sounded the alarm about this for years. Now, perhaps, I can help you see the result of Biblically ignorant believers and blatant disregard for God's opinion on the occult. Now we have druids and British pastors meeting to "dialogue" and find common ground. Now, we have believers slithering like snakes in church and even sounding like pigs. I am not making this up: They have the audacity to call it the "anoinking of the Spirit." THIS is what results from no real clear teaching on what is of God and what is of the occult.

Now, we have Pokemon and Harry Potter, and who cares? It's harmless, right? Just some cards. Just a fairy tale book with GREAT lessons about good vs. evil, where good always wins! Isn't that positive for kids, doesn't it teach kids to love books? To love reading?

Listen, I know a GREAT book that teaches both WITHOUT witchcraft! But then, if the parents think it's so boring and useless that they only read it in church, and don't bother reading it to their kids, how can you expect kids to either love it or learn from it? I'm talking about the Bible of course. And I fully believe that communicated well, the Bible is flat-out the most interesting, powerful book in the universe. And unlike Harry Potter, it's TRUE.

As to teaching kids to love reading, I know plenty of satanist kids who are profoundly addicted to both reading and learning - from books on the Black Arts. Better an ignorant teen who loves Jesus than a killer satanist who loves to learn and has a through-the-roof I.Q., don't you think? And no, this is not a plea for raising stupid kids. But love of reading and learning is not a virtue in itself. In God's hands, it is a gift, though it is not the sainted all-important goal modern Americans think; in the devil's hands, it is a weapon; it becomes the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Love of reading is certainly not evil. Kids NEED to read. But it is NO guarantee of moral character. Ayn Rand - Voltaire - Lenin - brilliant readers and writers all - and totally godless, antichristian influences in their day. I mention this so I can knock down the ridiculous notion that Harry Potter is good because it teaches kids to love reading.

In my line of work, when you leave the "spiritual" element out of things, there is in fact a huge difference, for example, between Harry Potter, the Satanic Bible, and on a more extreme level, H.P. Lovecraft's satanic rituat book, The Necronomicon. Harry Potter is not likely to snap some child's mind and make him a psychopathic killer. The Necronomicon, a purely evil, incendiary and demonic book, could. Believe me, I understand the difference. A kid with a pocket full of Pokemon and wall covered with Potter paraphernalia would probably not qualify for me as someone who needed immediate crisis intervention. On the other hand, a kid with black walls and skulls and razors and clueless parents who stay out of his room so as not to violate his "privacy", would qualify.

When you consider the spiritual aspect, however, all of this takes on an entirely different dimension. The difference between The Necronomicon, for example, and Harry Potter is the difference between toxic death and subtle poison.

I have a dear relative who experienced slow, gradual arsenic poisoning. It was so gradual in fact, that she nearly died from it before she realized what had happened and who was behind it.

Harry Potter is just such a poison. What is the harm of Harry Potter? Just that it makes magick attractive, exciting, enticing. Kids look at THAT - and then they look at their own faith and that of the people in church, and oftentimes what they see is that the God of the Christians is presented as powerless, someone who is far removed from us and has no authority over evil. I have never known that God - my God is FULL of power - but many kids know ONLY that misrepresentation.

Then they look at Harry Potter, and they compare "faiths" - which one do YOU think they are going to be drawn to?

And it is not so much that Harry Potter is the problem. People have ALWAYS written spiritual pornography. (That's what it is.) It is that believers refuse to take a stand against it, rather compromising with it because "all the other kids read it." Well, if you want YOUR kids to be all the other kids, then that's what you'll have. But if you understand how strong the prohibition against witchcraft is in the Bible, allowing your kids to indulge the Potter madness is not an option.

What’s Wrong With Harry Potter? Part 2 of 2

Listen to the Word of the Lord:

"Suffer not a witch to live>" (Exodus 22:18) And no, I am not suggesting this as a way to eliminate the problem with witchcraft in our country. It was something Israel had to do to protect their covenant and their country. But just because we're in New Testament times doesn't mean since we don't kill 'em therefore we just let 'em in for dinner. Which is quite literally what you do when you let Mr. Potter in the door. Now go ahead and call that extreme. But I didn't write the Bible. I'm just TELLING you what it says. You can twist it any way you please to make it say what you want it to. But if you claim to follow Jesus then understand that acceptance of witchcraft or the occult in any way shape or form, whether through Potter or the little Astrology bit you just can't resist reading in the paper, it is FORBIDDEN and it is POISON. "But", someone says, "It's FANTASY! Don't you know the difference between real witchcraft and fantasy for children?" Uh, don't YOU know the difference between real sex and pornography? Pornography is more dangerous in the long run because it blurs the line between reality and FANTASY. Potter is SPIRITUAL PORNOGRAPHY. And as even mass murderer Ted Bundy admitted before he was executed what a HUGE role pornography played in him actually acting OUT the despicable crimes he would later commit, fantasy books on magick are just as deadly because they ALSO blur the line between fantasy and reality. The argument that because it's "fantasy" it is not "dangerous" is ludicrous.

Now. The next argument is, "It's not witchcraft like the Bible says. Harry Potter is a sorcerer." (Please refer to previous articles on Christians who have no idea what the occult is.) The New King James reads: "Do not allow a sorceress to live."Witchcraft and sorcery are exactly the same thing.

Another key scripture:

"And (Manasseh) caused his sons to pass through the fire...he practiced soothsaying (telling the future - psychic hotline mean anything to you?) , used witchcraft and sorcery, and consulted mediums (psychics) and spiritists (those who talk to the dead.) He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger."

"But I don't do those things!", someone protests. Well Harry does it all. So maybe you're just a "Potter enabler."

Nahum 3:4 calls this activity spiritual adultery.

Before I hear something about us being in the New Testament under grace, let's read Galatians 5:19-20: "Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are these...witchcraft..." etc. There are dozens of similar passages. Paul actually encountered a Harry Potter wannabe, who followed them around like a town cryer, saying, "Listen to these men, they show you the way to God!" I imagine some Christians, who can't tell the Holy Spirit from a demon spirit, and who don't know the truth of the scripture from the deception of the world through the media, would have said, "Wow, she's really supportive of Paul!" But if you read the "original Greek" (I love that phrase, it makes me feel like I'm back in Bible School!) she is actually saying, "They show you A way to God!" The devil is very sneaky, and he can fool a lot of people who don't understand how fine edged the truth is, discerning between soul and spirit, bone and marrow. The Bible doesn't say there are WAYS to God: Just one. "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life: No one comes to the Father but by Me", Jesus said, and Acts tells us that "There is NO OTHER NAME under heaven, given among men, whereby we must be saved." Paul of course, knowing the truth and full of the REAL Spirit, turned around and rebuked the spirit in her, which came out screaming I imagine. And the result was, she got saved, and a bunch of big businessmen using her occult talents to get rich got UNEMPLOYED! When the occult demon left her, she had no powers left! Isn't that great?



Did you know that J.K. Rowlings, author of Harry Potter, is projected to make $100 MILLION DOLLARS off of the latest Potter book, Goblet of Fire"? You better believe that the occult is big business, from Potter to Sabrina, from Marilyn Manson to the Psychic Hotlines. And I am not endearing myself with the world, nor with very many believers, in taking such a hard line against such an "innocent" story. Listen folks: I have a right to say this, most of the skeptics don't. I paid a price for 7 years of deep occult involvement, lured in part by "innocent" games like "light as a feather", Gong Hee Fot Choy, Jeanne Dixon's astrology column, and other "harmless" things. And it has left scars that are deep and permanent. (Not wounds, thank God - God heals those. The scars do remain.) So please don't tell me I am an extremist. First of all, I didn't shoot the dog. I'm just reporting God's opinion to you, and it's up to you if you want to ignore it because you don't like it, or obey it because He said it. Secondly, you are hearing from a man who nearly lost his life because of involvement in escalating occult activities that started out with "Potter-type" stuff. And I am a voice crying in the wilderness against our complacent compromise. Why? Because while we are talking cutesy about this WONDERFUL book series that makes kids want to read, I am wondering what the results will be from a satanic rock band that recently came to Dallas and convinced 5,000 kids to get on their knees in a mockery of the Christian altar call and give their lives to satan! And you wonder why I am so extreme. Sheesh. You do the math.

No - kids who read Harry Potter won't automatically become devil worshippers. But EVERY kid who reads it will open up the door of their mind - some a little, some a lot - to the whispers, influences and lies of demonic spirits. That's just spiritual fact. Get angry at me if you must - if I'm wrong, well, then by all means, buy them all and read them with your kids - after all, it IS a terrific read. But if I am right - don't call me down the road when your kids starts participating in a Wiccan group and you are upset because you don't know where you went wrong, having raised them in church and all that. Now's your best chance to say, "I've had enough of the compromise. No more Potter, no more Pokemon, no more Halloween, no more R rated movies (ouch!) and no more contamination in my house."

"But my kids are bored with God!" That's not His fault. Do you really think a good antidote to God- boredom is an immersion in Potter mania? If you want your kids to get on fire, not with Potter's Goblet but with truth, then get into the Book of Acts, read it, believe it, live it, and walk it, and get kids to do the same. There's more supernatural in that book than a hundred books JK Rowlings might be yet to write. It's the REAL power. And if you think "God doesn't do miracles anymore" then I truly feel sorry for you, because the Devil knows differently, and as long as he can convince believers that he has more power today than God, then he can continue to devour our youth into the black hole of occultism.

As for me, I'm going to walk in the might of who God really is. I trust you will do the same, dispense with this silly and dangerous compromise and become the true warriors God has called us to be.

Gregory R. Reid





Read more about Harry Potter
http://www.ericbarger.com/potter.8.htm

REPEAT:

Paul actually encountered a Harry Potter wannabe, who followed them around like a town cryer, saying, "Listen to these men, they show you the way to God!" I imagine some Christians, who can't tell the Holy Spirit from a demon spirit, and who don't know the truth of the scripture from the deception of the world through the media, would have said, "Wow, she's really supportive of Paul!" But if you read the "original Greek"

Have A GRRRRREAT Day All of you Harry Potter wannabes ;D

 ;D You tell 'em, A4C

 :'( This is true. However offensive it seems, this is true!

I cannot tell other Christians what to read. I have close friends who have no problem with Harry Potter, and buy the books; they have actually always been "stricter" Christians than my family, and they accept Potter. But each person needs to agree in his own heart, and with God, what they are willing to open their minds to.

Yes, there is magic in the books that most Christians accept, i.e. CON, LOTR. It is fantasy magic. Not everyone will see any "Christian" message in these books, nor are they likely to find salvation in them; but neither will their minds be opened to the darker magic that is real and exists in our world. My family has experienced this magic; it is real, it is of Satan, and it causes actual terror and pain.  :'( You don't have to agree with me; but this is what I believe.

Thank you, A4C, for wasting even MORE bandwidth with your close-minded, pre-judgemental opinions that you've already stated more than enough times. I am absolutely sick of scrolling down through that crap.

A tad harsh, bro. I mean, close-minded? Any more "close-minded" then those to refuse to admitt Harry Potter could be sinfull? ;D

Anyways, A4C you just aren’t getting it. The Witchcraft of Harry Potter is like the violence of Looney Toons. How many kids have killed other kids because of Watching Bugs Bunny shoot Elmer with his own gun? None. How many kids are going to Drop things in there friends heads like there Cartoon heros? None. How many Kids are going to be Wiccans because of Harry Potter? None.

The only thing that True Witchcraft and Harry Potter witchcraft has in common is a name. It is the different between Christians and Christian Science. Are you a Christian Scientist? Sure ya are! THat sounds liek what your saying!


Lets look at a few things using A4C logic in a simple form:

Aslin the Loin, Harry Potter, Gandulf, Merlin= Witchcraft and Wiccanism

Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Tom & Jerry= Cause of the Combine Shootings

Christian= Christian Science

Wow, thanks for clearing that up, A4C! I never knew I was a killer, Wiccan, and a cult member! YOu have shown me the light ::) :P

No thanks I would never read those books or see the movie.
Deut 18:10 says that God detests ALL kinds of witchcraft.
If it says that then why would you want anything to do with it.  It may be fantasy to you guys but to me I was a white witch before I became a christian and there is no way I will ever have anything to do with it again.   Fantasy or not, it's still witchcraft.

Amen

Brother Love :)

Oh great ::)

DITTO ;D

Ok. I'm NOT going to tell everybody what to read. Personally, I don't like Harry Potter, but that is me.
Please, take what I'm going to say not as a fierce argument, or a new bone to bite, but just a gentle, sister in Christ nudge. Please.

It's like you people have never picked up a Bible...There's sex, nudity, wars and murder beyond number, demonic posession, among several other things that Chiristians normally view as "evil."  

Remember, I'm not trying to make you angry, but this is a defense that Marilyn Manson has made.

Enough said. I'll leave that.


Now here is where I was shocked. I never expected it.

Well, since I read the Harry Potter books, and since I liked Pokemon, and why not mention how I liked Magic cards, I play video games with "magick" in them, I've read the Lord of the Rings books and seen the movies, not to mention anything by C.S. Lewis, plus numerous other things involving magic, I'm gonna join the occult when I'm older, and I'll probably burn in hell.

Wow, thanks for clearing that up, A4C! I never knew I was a killer, Wiccan, and a cult member! YOu have shown me the light
You guys, Wicca and all forms of obvious Satanism should NOT be made light of, nor joked about. It is serious, and real. I'm NOT being Old-Fashioned, or Stiff. This is a serious subject. Please.

Your Sister in Christ,
Crystal.

I’m not making any jokes. I’m serous. I’m pointing out the foolishness of that kind of logic. Practicing witchcraft and fictional entertainment are to EXTREMELY different things. They are the difference between Honey moons and Porn.

Let me just ask you a question. It’s a one word question. Narnia? I would like ONE, single Anti-Potter fan to tell me why it is ok for the single more influential Christian Author of the 20th century to use magic and witchcraft in his books, but everyone else is condemned for it. Of course, you can’t say because he put magic in a bad light, because anyone who has read the Chronicles of Narnia knows the good guys used magic just as much, if not more then the bad guys. So please, enlighten me.

Ho Ho thanks for the early Christmas present, I will pass it on.

The Crusader

Remember, I'm not trying to make you angry, but this is a defense that Marilyn Manson has made.

Enlighten me. I am not familiar with Marilyn Manson.

You guys, Wicca and all forms of obvious Satanism should NOT be made light of, nor joked about.

Yeah, well, then there's the question of whether Harry Potter is Wicca- or Satanism-related at all, which is really what this whole topic is about. And I still see no reason to believe it is.

Because there is no proof it is. People keep forgetting the fact that this whole Fantasy Genre... IT WAS MADE BY CHRISTIANS! Before the Inklings, all they had was Beowulf and King Arthur. Everything, Hogwarts, The forgotten realms, it all came from Narnia and Midearth.

I still would like one anti-Potter to tell me why Lewis was ok, but Rowlins is in the wrong.

I agree.

The Crusader

So, what makes Narnia a fantasy and Potter witchcraft?

Paranoia?

hahaha, good answer!

I am appalled at the number of anti-Potter people here who only read what their fellow anti-Potter comrades have to say on the subject, and nothing else.

I am really appalled by people who call themselves Christians and read satanic books like Harry Potter ;D

We know A4C is at a loss for words when he starts using the ;D

So, A4C, what makes Narnia a fantasy and Potter witchcraft?

LOL ;D Pass it on Bro

So, A4C, what makes Narnia a fantasy and Potter witchcraft?

Maybe the fact that he doesn't realise C.S.Lewis was a high-church Anglican with Roman Catholic friends.

Or the fact that those Romen catholic friends where the ones who led him to the lord.

C.S.Lewis = trash

Well, that drew a response, at least.  Though, if that's the best he can muster, I don't know why he bothers.

umm...

You sure post a lot, but you never back it up, do you? So, please tell us why you think Lewis is trash? Do you even know who he is?

Satanic or superb?  Wow – those of you really against are REALLY against.  
A4C: “I am really appalled by people who call themselves Christians and read satanic books like Harry Potter.”
Hmmm.
I faced it a long time ago – the world is ruled by the fallen angel himself.  Trying to avoid everything that may have satanic influence is like trying to stay dry when walking in a rainstorm.  That’s why we have the armor of Christ; to keep us "dry in the storm".  
I haven’t read any Potter books – it’s just not my genre – but I have read everything Dean Koontz has written so I suppose A4C would be “appalled” at me also.   :)
I look at it this way – if it makes you sweat stay out of the kitchen, but don’t condemn those who can take the heat.  For instance – I am extremely uncomfortable reading books or watching movies with strong sexual context.  Sorry – I’m just very weak in that area and am uncomfortable with the temptation.  But occult “stuff” doesn’t tempt me in the least – I feel no wish/want/need to do ‘magic’ – and it doesn’t scare me in the least.
A4C; do you turn the TV every time an old rerun of ‘I Dream of Jeanie” comes on?  (I do – but it’s not because of the magic!)   ;D
I think all of us have weaknesses in our armor – and those weaknesses vary from person to person.  Like my late Aunt Rosie used to tell me – “If it makes you feel guilty DON’T DO IT”.
I guess there is another side to being familiar with the "occult";  "Know thy enemy"(?)

That's gotta be the most relevant post in this whole topic.

 ;DLOL ;D

Me think he is asleep in the light ;D