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For the past couple of months, my three sons and I have been watching an English TV show called "Most Haunted"
The program has at least 2 "mediums" and a group of other "normal" people who go all over England to find haunted homes and castles.

The show begins in daytime with a general walkthrough of the home, or castle, and the two mediums each give their impressions about what "spirits" may be haunting the building, and the history of the lost souls who inhabit the buildings.

Then, at nightime, the entire group of people enter the building with video camera's set on night light video, so they are in total darkness.

All knids of things happen. One show, a table actually shot across the floor abd hit a man. On tonight's show, a man was actually physically attacked, and beaten to the ground by a "spirit". You could actually see the man being dragged across the floor!

I have warned my sons many times not to believe in "ghosts". My sons know all too well that it is demon activity.
These people are in mortal danger and they don't have a clue.

I have to wonder how many people watch this show, and other similar programs, and actually come to believe that we can be stuck after death here on earth, and actually haunt people.

God has warned us not to fool around with "spirits" and not even to be around anyone who does, but this is just another example of how far into the depths of foolishness we as a society have fallen. Do as we please, and God will love us just the same right? I don't think so! :)

Even though I know these folks are messing with demons, I am still drawn to watch! :o

John

Brother,

First off, glad to see y'all on the board today. ;D

You know yourself brother, satan will use any trick he can to corrupt you. I would count this TV show as one of those.

Brother John,

I'm positive there are demons, but I don't believe in ghosts of dead people. I'm sure that the devil and fallen angels with him can do many things that we don't understand. I know that the Holy Spirit in my heart is much stronger than the devil ever could be, but I wouldn't go out and try to play with the devil. If there is something supernatural going on in that show, it would be of the devil.

Brother, I haven't seen that show. I don't watch much TV, but I do like to watch cartoons every now and then.  :D  I also like a few shows on Animal Planet (i.e. Steve - The Croc Man - Irwin). I think that I said his name right. I know that the crocs are just as real as the devil, but I'd rather watch the crocs.  ;D

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 135:6 NASB  Whatever the LORD pleases, He does, In heaven and in earth, in the seas and in all deeps.

My son turned the TV to that show one time. One of the crew had a mic knocked out of his hand and then got knocked down flat himself. The microphone was damaged and the man quit his job. When I saw that the channel got changed. Personally I will not allow that sort of show on in my house especially so when my grand kids are present. I don't want such things influencing them.

 

Brothers, I never watched shows or movies that are demonic in nature, I also taught my children as they were growing up, that exposing themselves to such shows, programs or activities ie. ouija boards and others, only opens the door for the enemy to attack. The battlefield is in the mind, if satan can make us believe he is more powerful than God and if he for one minute can make us take our minds of the things of God, then we would be allowing him to take control of our thought and hence our actions.

Mind your thoughts, for they become your words.
Choose your words, for they become actions.
Understand your actions, for they become habits.
Study your habits, for they will become your character.
Develop your character, for it becomes your destiny.

 1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

 Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Amen, sister.

Add a second AMEN!!

Add a third AMEN! from me.

Although the Spirit that resides in us as children of God is more powerful than the enemy and his minions, we need to understand that he and his minions are indeed more powerful than our own spirits. I have seen all too often the effects of demonic forces in individuals' lives.

I am not ashamed to admit that it scares me, yet I also understand it is a healthy fear. Spiritual warfare is real. There are battles going on around you and me that we cannot possibly see or hope to understand, and it is EXTREMELY unwise for people to dabble in such things in ANY way.

Watching such shows, practicing magic arts, consulting mediums, astral projection, etc... All these are opening the door in our lives for the enemy to attack. In doing such things, we essentially agree to play by his rules. And personally, I'd rather cheat. I'd rather wrap the Spirit's protection around me.

My advice is to shut that show off, PERMANENTLY.

Amen, it is impossible for us to even imagine the wars going on around us between God's Holy angels and satan's demonic fallen angels. satan know he has already been defeated, he doesn't even care all he wants now to to take as many of God's children away from God's things. There is spiritual war going on all around us right now, even for our very own souls, that is why it is so important for us to stay strong in the Word of God, and be attentive to the promptings of the Holy Spirit. It isn't for no reason that the Bible says:  1Pe 5:8  Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

This Scripture was addressed to Christians, not to the heathen. satan works in a very subtle way ....... so much so that he deceived Eve who up to that point was perfect without sin. We are warned again and again...."be not deceived"

 De 11:16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;
 Lu 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. {and the time: or, and, The time}
 1Co 6:9 ¶  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
 1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
 Ga 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Sister, that is one of the reasons I did, Satan, lying, cheating and stealing ways (http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=10244.0) <-- yes it is a link.

Yes there are battles that we cannot see going on all around us. Even those battles that we can see have spiritual evil forces behind them. To many people think that there is a separation and that one does not have to do with the other but this is not true. The battles that we see around the world is directed by satan and his desire to control all things in Heaven and on Earth.

Amen PR, the things we actually see are manifestations of these wars. I  am comforted in knowing that God has already won the victory.


Hey DW thanks for posting this link, you had PM'd it to me when my computer was broken and I had to save it on my husband's laap top, now I can save it on my PC.  ;)

Just adding to your statement brother.

Psalm 97:10 O you who love the Lord, hate evil; He preserves the lives of His saints (the children of God), He delivers them out of the hand of the wicked.

Only when we start living holy can we know what true praise is. We can say with the Psalmist, GREAT is the LORD and GREATLY to be praised, and his GREATNESS is unsearchable! We will know what  Thank you, Jesus! really means because you have seen the power of God to transform you from a sin-plagued wretch to a RIGHTEOUS son of the living God. You will be a living miracle. Know that the Bible says, "As he is, so are we in this world," and in another place, we are to be "partakers of the divine nature".

When a Christian studies and obeys their Bible, you are free from the millions of distortions and lies told inside and outside of churches. We will walk in power, power to live right, talk right, think right, serve right, love right. Everything right comes from knowing the Word of God and walking in the power of the Holy Ghost. To be Bible minded is to be Christ-minded. Nothing in the Christian life should be divorced from the Lord Jesus Christ and His word, whether washing dishes, soulwinning, working, studying, fellowshipping or sitting in a church pew.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but [only] one receives the prize? So run [your race] that you may lay hold [of the prize] and make it yours.

Hebrews 4:12 For the Word that God speaks is alive and full of power [making it active, operative, energizing, and effective]; it is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating to the dividing line of the breath of life (soul) and [the immortal] spirit, and of joints and marrow [of the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and sifting and analyzing and judging the very thoughts and purposes of the heart.

II Corinthians 10:3-5 3 For though we walk (live) in the flesh, we are not carrying on our warfare according to the flesh and using mere human weapons. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood], but they are mighty before God for the overthrow and destruction of strongholds, 5 [Inasmuch as we] refute arguments and theories and reasonings and every proud and lofty thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God; and we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One),

Ephesians 6:12 For we are not wrestling with flesh and blood [contending only with physical opponents], but against the despotisms, against the powers, against [the master spirits who are] the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spirit forces of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) sphere.

Amen Brothers and Sisters! - Beautiful thoughts and beautiful Scriptures!

There are four words that come to mind when reading this thread, and they always remind me of many Scriptures and the things of the LORD:

1 - Study;
2 - Yield;
3 - Strength;
4 - Joy.

The 'fullness of joy" that the Bible speaks of is REAL, and I give thanks that it is highly ADDICTING.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 73:26 NASB  My flesh and my heart may fail, But God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.

 :)  Not to be mean Mr. John, But you are a fool for watching these things.  You said yourself that the Bible says that we aren't to mess with things like that, and yet you are watching shows that promote it.  Not only are you watching it but you are allowing your sons to watch it.  Things like that are dangerous, even if they are just TV shows.  How old are your sons?  You tell them that things like witch craft and demons are rea and evil, but teens are curious.  We love to explore things taht are mystical.  We see things like that show on TV and Satan uses our curiosity to trap us.  By watching this show you give them the message that the things on this show aren't so bad.  Would you tell your sons that sex outside of mariage is wrong and then go and let them watch things that say that it's ok to have sex whenever you want?  It may just be a harmless show now, but sooner or later it can and will become very dangerous.  Like I said I am not trying to be mean, but where in the common sense in what you are doing.  8)

Hello Friendship Bunch,

I've read several of your posts, and I don't know if I've had a chance to welcome you yet, so WELCOME!


I'm looking forward to reading more of your posts and having fellowship with you.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 5:8-9 NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.  Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

 :)Well, Thank you for that welcome, blackeyedpeas.  I really enjoy this website.  I hope that I don't offend anyone by being so blunt in my posts. 8)   

Okay--again, I might get pies thrown at me..and maybe a few with some very hard peanuts inside (thankfully, I am not allergic).

I believe that God has some that are gifted..but not as mediums, but with prophecy. How they choose to use that gift is another thing. Von Prague, for one has a very good talent, but he uses it for money and I believe deceives many with their hopes for answers to questions left behind. I believe any one that might have this gift from God should not use it to gain wealth, but as any gift given from God to help others in a humble way (as in police searches and such).

Sylvia Brown is the biggest nut I have ever seen. I can't stand her, nor can I understand how people actually believe her. She sits there and gives names to so called spirits, and people actually believe her ("the spirits name is sabrina and she lives in the crack of your walls, eating dust mites"..yeah, right).

I don't believe that these so-called spirits are people if a gifted person uses prophecy to help the police. I do believe they are being guided by a special gift by God. I also believe most are fakes, except for the few that truly are gifted and use that gift to help others for His Glory. The rest, like Edwards, Von Prague, Brown and so many other names...well, they will end up in a place where they can all eat dust mites together some day..if you catch my draft (which is a drift, but bigger from the hole in my head).

God Bless,
Kelly

Remember what happened to King Saul?

1 Samuel 28:8-10 ASV
(8)  And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and went, he and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, Divine unto me, I pray thee, by the familiar spirit, and bring me up whomsoever I shall name unto thee.
(9)  And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
(10)  And Saul sware to her by Jehovah, saying, As Jehovah liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1 Chronicles 10:13 ASV
(13)  So Saul died for his trespass which he committed against Jehovah, because of the word of Jehovah, which he kept not; and also for that he asked counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire thereby,


Leviticus 19:31 ASV
(31)  Turn ye not unto them that have familiar spirits, nor unto the wizards; seek them not out, to be defiled by them: I am Jehovah your God.

Leviticus 20:6 ASV
(6)  And the soul that turneth unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto the wizards, to play the harlot after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Wait a minut Satisfied, I think those passages are referring to placeing our trust in witchcraft or anything but in God.  John ain't crossing that line, he's simply been finding amusement in the absurdity of the godless goofballs, much like Elijah did on Mt Carmel.

Does anyone here know that it is not the case that God is about to bring someone into John's life (or his son's) that is duped by this stuff, and a basic knowlege of it is important to the ministry he will be involved in?

Brother John isn't here any more 1T.  I do know he is a Christian, and I believe that the message got through to him, before he left the forum.  In case you are whondering where his website site is.....................  Link to the Fifth Day. (http://www.fifthday.2ya.com/) :D

Was it this thread...?

Those are saying not to place our trust, in mediums. And not to seek them out, to be defiled by them.  So yes, you could say it is witches.

Brother John, was the starter of this thread. Also known as Bronzesnake.  I think the fault is mine, I may have misread your post.  :-\

 ;D I meant was it the beating he took from this thread.  I've noticed that there tends to be a lot of brow beating going on here rather than supporting each other.

You should see some of the brow beating brother John did.  ::)  But we almost always backed it up with scripture.  That is how we use to talk to each other. 

With you new members, we try not to do that to you.  :D  That is the way we use to support eah other.  And this isn't why brother John left the forum.  He felt he needed to take a vacation.

So you're all like a bunch of rednecks here huh? slap each other silly, then go have a beer...I mean a lemonade together? ;D ;D

I spose I could deal with that,  ;D...still, it don't look good to the lurkers.

YUP!!  I like my lemonade ;D ;D ;D  But I've been called politically incorrect, and an old Fundy, as wellas some other worst name, not fit for this forum. :P

In case your wondering what took so long for me to reply. I wanted to check another thread, I posted last year and bump it up.  I also reread the thread, "Peaceful religion isn't spelled Islam "

Yeah...I caught a few names too on a trade forum I hang out on, where the flame throwing really gets going.  It just caught me off guard to see it here, but then again, where else would you expect to find a bunch of guys acting like disciples ::)

We are to live as if Jesus can return at any time brother.  One of the reasons I like this forum is because, we keep  it clean.   I know since I've been here, my life has grown in Christ.  And thats what it is all about, our growth in Christ.

 :)

Buyt at the same time, we are also a fun bunch of Christians.  I don't know how many threads, have been hi-jacked in the past.  And thats just for the fun, and worshipping of the Lord.

Hello 1Tim,

The bottom-line subject of this thread could be "having fun with demons". Christians do get blunt on subjects like this, and there's nothing wrong with that at all unless someone violates the forum rules. There wasn't any rule violation here, just a frank discussion. If there wasn't something blunt on this topic, there would be something wrong from a Biblical and Christian point of view. That's why the thread is in the debate area.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Was wondering why I had not seen much of Bronzesnake since the tattoo thread ;)

I guess its all how you look at "encouragement."  Many times this is misunderstood.  I think the way that I look at it is the brothers and sisters on this site encourage to do what they feel is right.  I respect that very much and like BEP says, it all should be backed up with scripture.  Interpretation of that scripture is something completely different, so yes, I tend to disagree with some points made on this site, but I don't think that is anything to get upset over.  I find it actually makes me put my nose in the Bible and my mind set on prayer.    :o :o ??? ;D ;D ;D

My son is always trying to watch those shows.  I know that people are allowed to watch whatever they want but that kind of stuff is ridiculous.  I remember when I was little, I used to try and stay up late to watch scary movies and always wind up traumatized for days.

The television is a powerful outlet for corruption (spiritual and otherwise)....

M.L.

Hello my friends.

I understand why people would not watch this show. My sons are all men, otherwise they would not be watching it.

I watched, and allowed my sons to watch, as a study tool. Look, Jesus told us we had His authority and power to drive out demons.
We don't have to run from them. Today, my sons are far more educated, and better equipped to see through the lies and deception of these kind of occurrences. As we watched the program, I constantly pointed out to my sons exactly what was REALLY going on, rather than what they were told was happening. Whenever someone claimed to be in contact with a "ghost" I would immediately tell my sons, for example, "that's not a ghost - it's a demon, don't get involved with this" "that man is not in contact with a spirit guide named Sam, he is being fooled by a demon, and whoever messes around with such things is doomed to hell". I would rather have my sons know the truth from me, and God's point of view, than have them learn from one who believes this stuff.

I found it to be an excellent study tool. My sons are now very aware of the kind of trickery and deceit involved in all aspects of so called ghosts and those who believe they can converse with ghosts.
I found the program to be an excellent tool for teaching and learning. I now know all the jargin, and I am so much better prepared to deal with this than I was prior to watching the program.

It has actually helped me to steer my own sister, and my wife's sister away from believing in psychic and everything involved in that world.
Don't be so quick to assume, or judge. I didn't watch the show for pleasure, or because I believed any of it. I know full well that these are not ghosts, that they are demonic.

Watching a program is a world away from actually getting involved in the practice.
I posted a good while back about a very dear friend who was involved in native Indian cult. Part of the success I finally had in convincing "Dave" that he was dealing not with his "ancient ancestors", but with demonic forces came as a direct result from what I learned from watching the show.

Don't you know that many pastors and priests must, and do study demonology? How else do you think these leaders are able to understand and deal with such things?
A very important part of all of this is prayer. God wants us to be prepared. God wants us to fight evil - all kinds of evil.
Some of us are not suited for actually doing direct up close and personal demonic possession, and that's OK. We all have different gifts and purposes for Jesus don't we?
If we run and hide from such things, then we Will not be able or equipped to fight it off Will we?
Jesus told us we had His authority and power to expell demons, but if we are ignorant about the practice, then we cannot, and should not get involved in attempting to intervene on anyone's behalf.

Some of us must do battle with such forces, Jesus told us as much. We can't run and hide from demonic attack, someone has to deal with it, and that someone should study as much as is possible in order to be able to fight it.

So if it's not for you that's OK, you will have other gifts from God in order to better do His will, but don't be so quick to judge those of us who want to learn all our enemies tricks and practices.

God Bless my friends...

John

I think familiarizing ourselve with the tools of the ememy is good. I really see no fault in it Brother.

Problem is, you start seeing the boogey man behind every TV ad and show theme, in advertizement and school posters, basically everywhere.  One reason is because its a new thing to your mind and you're sensative to it.  Another reason is because its really there.

"Seperation of church and state" is the unofficial occult mantra of the "new age" in this country (IMO).  The only religion it applies to is Christianity.  Every other philosophy of occult religion is being force fed to us daily by  organizations like the EPA, PBS, PETA, UN, ACLU, NEA, the legislative branches of state and Federal gov't....ect.


The sky is falling...

It will be before long.    ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yeah, I think so too.  Hey, I know, lets all vote Democrat in the next Prez. election and see if we can speed it up. ;D

Naww,  :-\ that would be too much like commiting suiscide, and I don't think He would like that much.

1Tim,

Brother there is nothing that we can do to speed up or slow down or slow down the things that God has planned. It will all be done at whatever time that He desires. But why make our lives here on earth any more miserable or our ability to win souls any more difficult by voting for a Democrat.


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D   ;D   ROFL!

Hmm... I still think there are better ways to familiarize ourselves with the tools of the enemy than exposing ourselves directly to this kind of thing, but I'll leave it at that.

A question though that this subject has brought up in my mind. We know that demons and the enemy himself can change their appearence. Things like this are evidence enough of that. However, do you believe that servants of the Lord can also take on the form of another, perhaps a loved one? Certainly, the encounters I have in mind are nothing like on this telivision show..

Let me just explain, and I'd be interested in any input those more adept with the Scriptures have to add.

I believe that God does allow angels to take on the form of others, perhaps loved ones long since passed. When my great uncle, Roger, died, we know from what he said in those last moments that he saw someone standing next to him, his mother. I do not believe that it was her in the literal sense, but do you believe that perhaps an angel was sent to guide him to Heaven, and that was the form taken because it would be a comfort to him?

Hi LP.


I must agree with you on this. I know that I for one will not be inviting the devil into my home just so that I could use him for a lesson to others. The Bible gives us all the information that we have need for in how to resist the devil. To avoid having such things in our lives is not running nor hiding from the devil but rather resisting his ways.

On your other comment. Yes the Bible clearly tells us that angels can take other forms. Forms that are more acceptable to our human minds. I know that when my Dad was laying in a hospital bed that he also saw someone in a corner of the room over his right shoulder. He did not identify them to us but He was talking to them. In the middle of the week he looked in that corner and said "Not now." it was kind of a question and yet a statement. Then he turned to my wife and I and asked if the rest of the family was going to be there that coming Saturday. We made sure they were there. It was that Saturday that he passed away. I am convinced that he was talking to angels.

Amen I agree. That almost sounds like *excuse the sarcasam* Bill Clinton's excuse "I didn't inhale". See sometimes when  people knowingly do wrong things they try to find a good excuse for doing it .... like Saul did when he went to the witch at Endor he knew it was wrong, but he tried to justify it. that is the human way. Someone once said that people aren't born with an instruction manual. Not true they may not know how to read it when they are born, but the parents should have been reading it before hand and refer to it everyday until the child could refer to it himself, and carry on generation after generation. That is why we should write God's Word on the tablets of our hearts that way we will always be prepared to face the enemy and not fall into his lies. It is natural for man to make excuses. Adam blamed Eve, and almost even blamed God Himself because God gave him the woman, Eve blamed the snake, and if you read your Bible carefully it doesn't say the snake blamed anyone, he was outright rebelious and proud of it, believing he had every right to do what he wanted. We really have to make sure we stay closer to God than walk in the middle, if we get too close to the middle that usually means that we are only half way to God. I hope I'm making sense y'all ...  :D :D :D :D

Could anyone list some of the ways we can prepare ourselves to effectively understand and battle this kind of evil?
I am not being facetious here my friends, I am always looking for ways to be more effective for Jesus.
The Bible is the very best and obvious place to begin.
My question is - is it safer to read about this stuff than it is to watch a program?
Surely if you are correct, and I have welcomed satan into my home through my TV, then he is able to set upon us through a book also.

satan doesn't need a TV or a book to get at us. satan attacks us every second of our lives, and there is only one defence, and that is to be a born again Christian, which I am. So, I am not at risk from satan launching at me through my TV, or my books.

Take a good look at what's going on today my friends.

So many people are involved with mediums, and psychics - so many people believe they can contact the dead, or have been reincarnated.
I do not fear satan coming through my TV. I have Jesus Christ within me. satan and his friends tremble at the very mention of His Holy name.
We don't need to fear these things my brothers and sisters.

Yes, they are not appropriate for children. However, in this age, you can be assured that our kids will be around this kind of thing more and more.
As we fight in our courts to have God removed from all public view, there is a hole left behind which is replaced by all satan's tools of deceit.
We seem to have replaced God with satan - do you know that there are witches in our military? Yes, it's true! and it's all legal and protected by our laws!

This kind of thing is going to be more and more mainstream as we ignore God and welcome the world.

So again, I must appeal to my friends here. Do not fear learning from the TV. Do not fear learning satan's tricks through books or CD's or whatever medium you choose to use.
The important thing is that we know our enemy. If we run from satan or ignore satan, he will have the upperhand.

With all due respect Pastor Roger, my brother. If we allow ourselves to neglect a source of learning because we fear it, then we do indeed run away from it.
I say this will all respect and love for you my friend, please do not take me the wrong way. You know I love and respect you very much Roger, and I would not do anything to purposefully insult or upset you in any way.

Look at it this way.
If you were the commander of an army, and you heard about a hidden cash of information and secret plans of the enemy, wouldn't you at least try to retrieve it?

If any of my children or grandchildren came home and said for example; "I was at my friends house and my friend, her mom and I guided a spirit from her basement into the light through the power of the higher levels" would you understand what just happened?
What if your child's friend's mom was a spiritual medium? What is that as opposed to a medium? or a psychic?Do we really have spirit guides? Are angles spirit guides? What is psychic energy? what is kinetic psychic energy? What is a grounded spirit as opposed to a residual spirit?

So many people are involved in this foolishness today. It is really heartbreaking, especially when the perpetrators purposefully use charged language which make people believe it's all biblical.
They will use terms such as "the light" "spirits from the higher levels" they converse with "angelic beings" All these terms are designed to make people fell all warm and special. People mistakenly think this is all part of God. People believe they are "spiritual" instead of spirit filled.

I learned an awful lot watching this TV program. We should study these things my brothers.

This is exactly what happened with evolution and creation. The church told us that evolution was evil (and it is) but instead of studying it, and coming to our own conclusions and counter arguments, we were told to run from it! To keep away from it because if we studied it, we would be letting the devil in!!

Now we have creation scientists studying, and we are making fantastic strides. But the price we paid fro our fear was that the evolutionists got a huge jump on us and they took over our schools which in turn indoctrinated our children with evolutionary lies.

This is definitely not for everyone, as the study of abiogenesis is, but some of us MUST keep watching our enemies tricks.

God Bless you all my friends...

John

You made perfect sense to me sister and I must say Amen!

Not when that book is the Bible, God's very words.



Amen brother I must agree that satan and his minions are always trying to attck us in many ways every day.






I say Amen to this statement also.


Brother we have had differences in opinion before and it was handled in a Christian manner. I see no reason to change that now so I agree with this also and my sentiments are the same.


This is exactly what we have in the Bible. God has given us all the secrets of the devil and the tools that we need to resist him.



I have and I still say the Bible is our source of learning and resisting the devil.



That depends upon how a person studies it. If we look at science in the manner of how it is taught in the Bible we will not go wrong. Many have been decieved by false science, including Christians, by ignoring what is taught in the Bible or to stretch it what they want it to mean. The Bible tells us to avoid false sciences.

1Ti 6:20  O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:



This has been a problem because many Christians are either afraid to teach the word of God or have been prevented from doing so by laws. We also have this problem invading our so-called churches, accepting and teaching various forms of evolution from the pulpit. Again I say turn to the Bible as our reference.


The devil is a very powerful creature and we should fool ourselves into believing else wise. If we purposefully go in search of him we are asking for trouble. Brother we must be careful that we do not send others into situations that they may not be well prepared to face the enemy in.

There are times that God may call on us to go into the devils lair. I remember attending a sermon given by Rev Franklin Graham at a small church in N. Carolina ( small in comparison to what he normally preaches in. ) He told a story of a young girl that got caught up in a group of satanists. The leader of this group was of a dangerous noteriety. He had to go in and get this underage girl to return to her home. The leader of that group recognized Rev Graham for who he was and no I do not mean his name but rather that he was a man of God, not afraid of what he could do to him, and he backed down to him and let him take the girl.


What I am saying here is that if God leads us there, then we need to depend on Him, but we should not tempt Satan to tempt us, for God may very well leave us to our own strength at that point. Satan is not to be taken lightly. Inviting satan or his ways into our home in any manner, for any reason is also tempting God. We are in essence trying Him and His power. And we all know what happens when we tempt God.




The answers are all in the Bible. We are told to resist the devil and his ways not to invite them into our lives in any way.


Jam 4:7  Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Jam 4:8  Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
Jam 4:9  Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
Jam 4:10  Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Note that it says we are to submit ourselves wholly to God, resist the devil and he will flee from us. How do we do this? By not allowing the things of the devil into our lives, turn our eyes to God and the things of God, draw nigh to God. Fill our lives with Him and His ways. We don't get those things from such a Tv show. We get it from the Bible, from prayer.

Note also in verse 10 it tells us to humble ourselves. We do not do this by saying "I can handle the devil and his ways" without it affecting us in some way even though it may be a small way.

How do we know what is of God and what is of the devil? By reading our Bible and praying that God opens ours to show us the right way to go. We test the spirits. If they are not in accordance to God's word then we know that it is evil.

Yes Brother, by putting on the full armor of God

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
 

Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
Eph 6:15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;


Brother, the Bible is a Book that can not be compared to any other book on earth. The Author Himself, inspired men to write it by His Holy Spirit, God's Word is powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, it is to be used for teaching and instruction

 Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

No one can ever compare the Word of God with any other book. God's Word is backed up by His Holy Spirit.
Satan does use books, such as harry potter, horoscope books, dream interpertations, secret incantations, he uses games such as ouija boards, he uses tv programs, anything he can possibly use. He even tried to use the Word of God Himself agains no less than Jesus. No one ever said the devil plays fair and the worst part of all is if he can make us believe that we aren't wrong the we are in control, than he doesn't even have to fight the battle anymore, we have already succumbed to his traps, and all the while geing fooled and decieved into believing that we aren't. The Bible tell us repeatedly over and over again.... be not deceived....be not decieved.... be not deceived. do a search of those words in the new testament and see how many times Jesus Himself warns us.... be not deceived...

With all due respect Brothe John, and with the love Jesus wants us to have towards one another I implore you...don't take this personal, don't push it aside and let it upset you, please bring it before God sincerely seeking Him. He will be your guide.

God bless you Brother

AMEN, my brothers! :)

Bronze,
I can understand your points, just as I understand those of my other brothers in this matter. And I can't quote the Scriptures to you as readily as I know I should be able. All I can give you is what I believe the Spirit has shown my heart through my studies, and share the knowledge that He has given me.

The Bible tells us that the Spirit within us, the Holy Spirit, is greater than the spirit that is within the world, that is, the devil. But I also know from the Scriptures and from the observing of spiritual warfare in my own life that the enemy's spirit is stronger than our own.

THAT is why it is so dangerous to involve yourself in these things, even just watching them for teaching purposes. In allowing your mind to induldge in these things, you are lowering your defenses, even if slightly. Your mind is an important thing to guard, and the enemy is crafty... Subtle. AirIam is right. We are told over and over "Do not be deceived", but the enemy knows exactly what will deceive us.

I am not ashamed to admit I am frightened of these things... Perhaps moreso because of what I have seen in my walk (Some of you might remember what I told you about my 'sister', Robin's struggles some time ago... *shudder*). When you expose yourself to them, you are opening doors, my brother, whether you realize it or not... And frankly, there are some doors I would just as soon bolt shut. There is simply no good, wise reason to allow yourself to become involved even just in the watching of these things...

I know God has worked good from this, but allow me to be blunt. I believe it is IN SPITE of your allowing yourself to induldge in this... Not through it, not because of it.

Amen LP!



Resisting the devil on day to day things are difficult enough as it is even for a seasoned Christian. It is even more difficult for a babe in Chirst and moreso for those that are not saved. We must be careful that we do not support such things. By watching these shows we are indeed supporting them and we give the indication to the weak or unsaved that it is alright to watch them. If anything we should be objecting to them being on the air at all.

This is why there is so much evil in the world today. When Bibles were removed from the schools Christians remained complacent and did nothing. Then prayer was removed and again few if any Christians did anything. Then hollywood started bringing such shows on TV and in the theatres and few if any Christians did anything. Then groups such as the ACLU started attacking anything Christian in public and until very recently few if any Christians did anything. Now there are so many such things in this world that it is very hard for those that are standing up for Christ and trying to rid us of these things.

We are told to stand up and resist the devil. One of the best ways is to refuse to have anything to do with this garbage. Object to it being displayed with a conviction that the non-Christians have in displaying it all to us. If we sit back and do nothing about it or even join in and watch it ( no matter the reason) then we are indeed saying it is ok for it to be displayed. We are failing in standing against the wiles of the devil.

Amen PR, LP. Jesus is our best example He told satan "get thee behind me satan"

He didn't say "entertain me for a litlle longer", "I wonder what you'll try next" NO NO.

He told him "Get thee behind me" He also told him "man must live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God", and "Do not tempt the Lord your God"

We need to follow Jesus' example if we want to be like Him, we have to walk in His path and let Him be our leader, teacher, and master.

If satan tried to outsmart our Lord and rebelled against our God, why should we think that we are spiritually or mentally strong enough to withstand him using his own tacticts against him. And that he won't try and keep trying. even with Jesus the Bible states that 'satan left Him for a season', he kept on trying and we should not expect any less. The only weapons we are to use are those given to us by God alone. Eph 6:14-17

Question to all of you reading this. If you are subjecting yourself to evil influences would you be able to bear and display the fruits of the Spirit??

Ga 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

Ga 5:23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

If we can learn to trust God, have a healthy relationship whith Him communictae with Him about everything, read His Word. We can be sure that He will supply everything we need to fight the enemy in the day of evil. (the day of evil doesn't mean on the last day or when the world comes to an end the day of evil is whenever the enemy comes against you and tries to separate you from God... that is the day of evil it can happen everyday.

Christians have much to be thankful for we have salvation thru Christ Jesus, we have the armor of God, we have His Holy Spirit, we have open communication with Him when we want and where we want, we have the fruits of the Spirit, we have God's peace, and God further goes to give us a sound mind. So why do we need to look else where for what we have with God.

 2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Ephesians 5:11
11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.


Seems you all who love to misapply scripture forget this passage.  How are we to have nothing to do with fruitless deeds unless we know what they are?  How are we to expose them unless we know what they are?  Experiencing, and knowing about, are two different things.  Remember, Paul wrote these words to the Ephesians--the "headquarters", of Diana / Ashteroth / artemis / Isis / Mother Earth / goddess worship / witchcraft, and location of Diana's temple.  Paul wrote that to a people immersed in a society that ours is growing into.  Read Eze. 33.  We are supposed to be watchmen on a wall, but before we can sound an alarm, we must know what that danger looks like.

Whats wrong with this statement: "...Lord, I thank thee that I am not like other men..." (Lk 18:11)

Whats the difference between that and, " ...you should be doing the things that I do in your walk with the Lord."  IMO nothing.  Both recognize a difference, and assume superiority.  The latter also claimes authority to direct the walk of another that God ownes allready. He directs, and who is anyone to assume He did not direct anyone else to find out about the encroaching occult to inform those who remain willfully ignorant?  I am not saying that everyone should study the occult, but only those who are called to.  One of the biggest complaints non-believers have about christians, is their eagerness to reveal their ignorance.  They'll quote scripture to combat something they oppose, withought even knowing why they oppose it.  Einstine said, " Immagination is more important than education"  does anyone recognize the problem with that?  It is a poster in one of the Jr. High Schools I am in regularily.  It is witchcraft / buddhism / yoga / Diana of the Ephesians worship.  Christians are known for saying, "  I'll pray for you", but whats wrong with the sentiment, " our thoughts are with you"?  It isn't nessesarily anti-biblical--or is it?  Actually, it stems from witchcraft, where thoughts are looked at as energy, and the belief that I can direct energy your way because my thoughts are with you is occultic.

The passages you all quoted above are very nice, but John isn't practicing deamonology, he's seeking to understand what all the hubub is about so he can address it appropriately, like someone who knows what they are talking about.

I live in a large mormon populated area, and some of the kids in our church were beginning to question the validity of christianity, because their friends in high school who were mormon were so convinced of Mormonism.  These were kids raised in the church by families who taught them the bible,  but they were still kids.  After these kids talked to me, they no longer had any question about which faith was the true one.  I didn't quote bible to them because they allready knew it.  I told them about Mormonism and quoted Mormon "scripture" to them.  I could do that because I remained willingly ignorant of Mormon doctrine...no, thats not it, because I scolded everyone who tried to tell me what Mormons believed and quoted misapplied scripture at them....no thats not it either.  I could do that because I knew Mormon doctrine.  I knew it well enough that the kids recognized that, and they listened because they respected that I was addressing them with knowledge, not ignorance, with a Bible in one hand, and a Mormon Tri in the other, literally.  People don't want to hear what they should believe.  They want to make up their own minds based on real facts and evidence,  and we need to know what we're talking about well enough so we can give those arguments to them.  In Acts 17, Paul did exactly that.  He spoke to the Aeropagus with understanding of what they believed.

  1 John 4:4
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
Don't forget this one either

Now, there is nothing wrong with offering guidence, but that need can only be ascertained by asking questions as to someones motives and methods, and are they staying in the word regularily as they procede in this type investigationary study,  but I have not seen anyone ask a single question of that nature.  As Christians we only need fear taking our eyes off Jesus, and anything can do that if we let it.  If we do fear, then we're not really trusting Him, are we.

Wisdom, would have asked the question, "What was it that you learned that aided you in approaching your friend involved in this stuff."

Sorry for the tyrade guys, but I'm sick and tired of Christians makeing assumtions based on ignorance, in order to promote themselves as authorities.  I thought Jesus was the authority and Leader of our ministries?

Amen to this statement and that is the reason that we have the Bible. The Bible is our authority for learning not a TV show about demons.

Let's take another look at the fist verse you quote:

Eph 5:11  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

fellowship = to communicate with, to participate with  unfruitful works = what is such a movie but the works of the devil

Paul was talking to the church in Ephesians here. He was telling that church to stay away from the things that those other groups were participating in and not to have fellowship with them, to expose them for being against the teachings of God. How? By the teachings that God already given them.


Eph 4:27  Neither give place to the devil.

What this verse is telling us is to not give the devil any opportunity, none, no room.

How do we know what the devils tricks are? Again the Bible is our authority not a movie. We know truth by the Bible.



No one here accused him of practicing it. I know "what all the hubub is about" without having to watch such a movie.



When it is contrary to scripture then we know that it is fruitless deeds. The title of the show itself tells us this.

I do not want to start any arguments here, so I will refrain from responding to this thread anylonger.

I will leave you with this question...

Should pastors study demonology?

God bless you my friends...

John

Thats exactly what I'm talking about, because of the title of the show, not its content, it is condemned.  Remember, our job is not only to keep ourselves from being polluted by the world, but also to carry the message to others.

How many Christians have you heard make comments like,"...well the Mormons believe in Jesus too..."?  Withought a knowlege of what they actually believe, that statement though true,  could not be exposed as successful deciet, and the one makeing it may not recognize Mormonism as a fruitless deed of darknes to be avoided, nor would they realize their mormon friends needed to know the truth.

My Church is not aware of what a peace pole is, nor what a peace pole ceremony is, yet, though there are two elementary schools in my area that do them each year.  How can the dangers of them be recognized unless it is recognized that it is a witchcraft ceremony.  On the pole, in eight languages are the words, "May peace prevail on earth".  These are sentiments that most "good" people would agree with, and anyone opposing it would be labeled a hate monger, but I've read the words used in a witches book of shadows, and in Buddhism philosophy.  Now how did your opinion of the ceremony change from the beginning of this paragraph, to the end?  Oh, and the pole itself is an 8' Asherah pole, an Egyptian obelisk, the symbol of the male reproductive organ used in goddess worship (Diana of the Ephesians).

Apparently I'm not supposed to know that either, huh?  We're just supposed to look like hate mongers while opposing it?

1 Corinthians 5:9,10
9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world.


Paul drew a difference between those of this world and those in the Church practicing the behavior of the world.

Someone should.  If the ones charged with learning won't, God tends to find someone who will. The Bible was written to people deeply involved in the occult, and I think that one of the reasons we have trouble understanding it is because we, as a society, know little or nothing about occult activity.

If the Word is enough to pull someone from a deep involvment in the occult, why wouldnt it be enough to keep someone studying about it out, that allready belongs to Jesus?

If you aren't supposed to, fine, then don't, but that does not guarantee it is wrong for someone else to.

1 Corinthians 12:27-31
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But eagerly desire the greater gifts.



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You ain't starting anything John.  I've noticed this prevailing attitude all over this forum.  More from some than others, but it stinks regardless who its from.

T1, please allow me to say this you joined us in the middle of a conversation without getting all the facts,try to read and get their facts straight see we have never treated Brother John  either without love or disrespect and Brother John knows full we we love him
If you have taken offense than maybe you should find out what is going on from the begining read from post one and then read all the fellowship we've had with Brother John we are not judgeing Brother John in any way and treat him with respect and love as he has always treated us with respect and love.

He is not attacking anyone's character here and neither has anyone attacked his charatcer. He has not disrespected us and no one here has disrespected him

Amen sister.

1Tim

I must agree with what airIam2worship just said about this thread and those involved in it. We as Christians will not agree 100% on everything. There is no reason that we cannot discuss this without personal attacks. if you go back through this thread you will see that I did agree with some of Brother Johns ( Bronzesnake) statements. You will also see the following statements the first one being Brother Johns and the second one mine:



As Brother John also said, this is in the debate thread for a reason. There will be disagreements in this subject and it could make for a beautiful Bible study as long as all participants keep it to that in a Christian manner. If you have felt that I have attacked you then I apologize for that was not my intent. I am meerly pointing out my views on this and pointing what I see in the Bible on it.

Brother I hope that you also understood that I was not attacking you personally but was rather joining in with what I thought was a peaceful discussion of this subject. I agree with some of what you stated.

To answer your question here. I see nothing wrong with a pastor or other Christian for that matter that is founded well in the Lord to study demonology. I myself have done so. I have also studied the book of Mormon and the Koran. I still say that I do not see watching such a show as Most Haunted as being a portion of that study nor do I think it a good idea for babes in Christ to be subjected to it. We must be careful that we do not allow ourselves to cause others to stumble in their walk with the Lord.

Case in point:






Do you know this is true, or is it just an assumtion?


Apparently, John got the same "wrong" impression about the responses to his original post as what I did, as illustrated by the request to supply other avenues of response to this real threat.  "Surely if you are correct, and I have welcomed satan into my home through my TV, then he is able to set upon us through a book also."   He had to ask, because the jist of this particular thread was , IMO, "how dare you..., you shouldn't be..., all you need to know is the Bible and nothing else..." and no alternate offered,  and much of it before any understanding of why this was being done.

I'm not taking up Johns case here.  I tend to do just what he did, but not with TV shows.  I don't like reading someone’s opinion about a cult or occult organization, I read their own material.  Yes it is dangerous to read their material, but only the Bible is the living and active Word, occult writings are not.  They are simply "rational " to the natural mind.

I will agree wholeheartedly, that all we need to know is the Bible, but is that all we need to share with others?  Yes...and no.  I'll pick on Mormonism again here for just a bit.  I can tell them what I believe the Bible says, but they believe I am deceived by Satan Because I believe only what the Bible says. (More than that, I am an apostate.)  Their doctrine says just that.  Since I know what they mean when they talk about Jesus, I know it is not the same Jesus the Bible speaks about.  When I point out that they believe the same thing the Catholic Church believes about something, I have their full attention immediately.  When I point out to them that their Article of Faith # 11, is also what witches, Buddhists,  Catholics, and occultists believe, they're listening closely to what I say.  They don't care how well I know the Bible, until I show them the parallels between Mormonism and the occult.  Only then does the possibility that they are the ones that are wrong enter their thinking.

Do I need to know that to be saved?  no.  but then again I don't need to know a trade to support my family, or work to win the respect of outsiders to be saved either.  I do need to earn a living, support my family, and win the respect of outsiders though, to be as effective a tool in the Kingdom as possible.  Knowledge of the occult--not experiential knowledge, (though some have that advantage), makes me more effective, in the calling I am led to.  And that is how John used the TV show.


I for one, would be very interested to know just what about that show he was able to use to approach his friend more effectively, if he was a mind to share it, because someday, I may face the same situation.

It is not the behavior I perceived on this thread that bugs me, but the fact that it is revealed throughout the forum to various posters. 




The glue that cements information to my mind, is dirt.  I need to get my hands dirty to remember things.  We have enough people here that know the Bible well, that I see no reason whatsoever to run off non-Christian posters to this site.  I say, put them in the debate forum and lets have at them   ;D.  Who knows, maybe someone will say something that sticks in their craw for a few years until they deal with it--and wind up submitting to Jesus because of it.  Even if they are not convinced, the arguments that would be presented will benefit the rest of us.   Knowing ahead of time, what occult teaching is prepares the apologist to recognize flaws in a presented argument that the arguer winds up trapped by.  We defend ourselves and those willing to appeal to the Bible for truth, with the Bible, but to those who do not recognize the authority of the Bible, we need to either use their belief system to reveal the fallacies, or establish the authority of the Bible first.  In either case, a debate like that would grow all of us, especially in the field of using the Bible in defense of Christianity, which tends to be a developed skill.  We can develope it here.

I've seen a lot of intolerance on this forum, toward those with belief systems different from the established norm.  I'm  talking about the doctrine of salvation and Jesus, as the Bible defines it, as well as application.  Some here only want to know the Bible so they can support the Christian's faith, and that is a needed skill / gift.  Some are called to go to those who see no reason at all to recognize the Bible as anything more than fairy tales.  Preaching “Bible” to them tends to be useless, until  they are brought to the understanding that where they stand is sinking sand. 

There is only one Truth, and none of us on this earth are in complete ownership of that Truth.  Only Jesus is.  Together we can be more  completely immersed in it, in ever increasing measure.

It is my opinion that  intolerance was shown,  and encouraged, not to a person directly, but the philosophy that person holds true for his calling.  I saw myself included in that intolerant attitude because I too am led to understand opposing philosophies, and prepare to face them based on an understanding of where they stand, as well as an understanding of where I stand.  People who, “ only want to preach Bible…” tend to make my job harder, because I must first gain the trust of an individual, that I’m not going to shove Bible down their throat, until they are willing to hear it.

Proverbs 27:17
17 As iron sharpens iron,
so one man sharpens another. 
Here, we can sharpen our selves and each other, but we need to understand the others position first, before we oppose it.

Psalm 144:1

1 Of David.
Praise be to the LORD my Rock,
who trains my hands for war,
my fingers for battle.
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Brother we have had non-Christians here on the forum before.  The breaking of the rules got to be so bad, that either blackeyedpeas or myself had to be here at all times. By the way, we don't run off non-Christians.  We are volunteers, not paided employees.  This was before Pastor Roger, or airIam2worship became mods.


AMEN


Which is why, we try not to allow the doctrine of man, but only the Doctrine of God.  I have disagreed with others on the forum in the past.  Still others have disagreed with me.  I don't have a problem with disagreements for the simple reason, man is flawed.  You bring salvation from a Bible view point, I will agree with you.  You bring salvation from mans doctrine, chances are I'll disagree. Mans doctrine is flawed so bad, that some mainstream religions, are to the point of being labled an occult.

Edited to add;  By the way, non-Christians are welcome to the forum. As long as they follow the forum rules.  We have had several come here asking geniune questions.

Hello 1Tim,

This is a Christian Family Forum and the intended audience includes children, the saved and the unsaved, babes in Christ, and Christians with varying levels of maturity. One of the goals is to have a place safe enough for Christian parents to turn their children loose here.

We don't make any apologies for providing ZERO pulpits here for the devil. Our broad audience here, including children, makes that a wise choice. Strong and mature Christians can and should study whatever material that is necessary to go and do whatever God has called them to do. For obvious reasons, this strong and mature Christian will NOT make this material available to children, the lost, and the babes in Christ. For the same obvious reasons, we don't make that material available here for children, the lost, and the babes in Christ.

This doesn't stink at all, rather it's simply a matter of common sense. To do otherwise here with such a broad audience would definitely STINK. If the audience was limited to strong, mature Christians, other things might be appropriate. I must add that we already have briefs of what's wrong with many cults. One doesn't need detailed studies about what is wrong with Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. A couple of paragraphs is all that's needed to tell the blunt truth. The rest of the space is spent with answers from the Holy Bible that show why they are a cult.

In short, it would definitely STINK if we provided pulpits here for the devil, knowing that our audience includes children, the lost, and babes in Christ. So, we try to serve our intended audience with the things of the LORD. Absolutely NOTHING STINKS about that.

Love In Christ,
Tom

John 1:10-13 NASB  He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Hello 1Tim,

YES, we are extremely intolerant of people determined to preach cults and false religions here, and we will continue to be. See my previous post first. As an example, we've had countless people of Islam determined to preach here. That obviously isn't permitted, and it never will be. The same is true for many other false cults and religions who deny the deity of one or more entities of the Holy Trinity. Some of them are absolutely desperate to share the false material they've been brain-washed with, but it won't be done here. We delete their posts, warn them, and eventually ban them if they refuse to stop. There is no irony that most of them refuse to stop, especially the worst ones like Islam.

The unsaved and people from various cults are most welcome here, but cult members are obviously not welcome to preach here. Now we go back to a primary purpose for this forum - a Christian Family Forum to include children, the lost, the babes in Christ, and Christians with varying levels of maturity. We have no interest in being fair with the devil and giving him equal time to snare the children and the lost or to confuse and weaken the babes in Christ. This is also a refuge for Christians to fellowship with each other and build each other up in the things of the LORD.

We also have a huge audience of people who will never become members here. Our page views for the forum average between 8,000 to 10,000 per day. We have no idea what their circumstances are, and we have no idea about whether they are adults, children, lost, saved, babes, etc. BUT, the material on the forum is appropriate for all ages and all conditions. We would not have any confidence in our materials if the devil was allowed a pulpit for every false cult and religion here. We do have confidence that the material here is Godly and is being used by God. God's Word will never return void, and this promise from God is wonderful. We live in a time where the devil bombards people from every direction, but not from Christians Unite. We don't make any apologies for this. Just the opposite, we will keep trying to make Christians Unite a place that distributes Godly material and appropriate for broad audiences, INCLUDING CHILDREN.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 9:9-10 NASB  The LORD also will be a stronghold for the oppressed, A stronghold in times of trouble;  And those who know Your name will put their trust in You, For You, O LORD, have not forsaken those who seek You.

My ministry partner and I watch it to see the fools playing with demons and acting like idiots.

Some episodes are pretty sad when you think about the gullible mediums who have no clue they are messing around with beings that want to kill, steal and destroy lives.

Oh well, it makes for good comedy.

Did you ever watch "The Most Scariest Places on Earth"?

Much of the same, except those idiots were being lead by a "spirit guide" medium that actually told them how to "cleanse" the "haunted house", with witchcraft spells.

I thought I was about to fall out on the floor laughing.

Use Satan to cast out Satan.

GOOD JOB!!

Gullible idiots are a hoot!

Warrior, wasn't it Jesus who first said "A house divided against itself cannot stand"? As I recall, some of the 'religious leaders' of the day accused Him of casting out demons through the power of the enemy instead of through His power as the Christ.

1Tim,
Firstly, we're not judging this show based on the title. If you look back in the beginning, Bronze shared with us the essential content of the program, and that is what we're judging.

Again, I speak of this as one who has seen and experienced spiritual warfare... While I understand Bronze's intentions, and yours too, Warrior, I still have to contend how dangerous this means of gaining knowledge is.

I'm going to use a common example here. How is a banker taught to recognize money? Is he shown a counterfeit bill alongside a real bill, or is he simply shown the real bill and told, "Here's what the real bill looks like, so that if you are handed a fake, you will know it right away?" I believe the same is generally true for theology.

EDIT: BTW, I don't see why you have such a problem with this place not allowing spokesmen from other religions, 1Tim... There's enough of that crap on the internet to fill the sewer system of the entire US and then some... Here in Michigan, we have a place known as Camp Barakel (Which, translated, means "God Blessed"). It is in the Huron National Forest, and upon entering, one can tell that God has placed a sort of spiritual bubble around the place... It's hard to explain. But I think of Christians Unite the same way... This is a refuge, a place where brothers and sisters in the Lord can come and discuss and learn from one another, and a place where earnest seekers can come to edify themselves and hopefully be brought to faith... And personally, I wish there were more places like it. :)

One day, just as I was leaving for work, a couple JW's showed up on my doorstep.  For the first time in a long time, I didn't stop to talk to them, but I did ask them to return another day so we could talk.

That night on my way home, I saw what I believed to be their van, upside down in the middle of the highway.  I never saw them again.

Was that really their van?  Did they survive if it was?  Was I the last chance they had to hear the truth? I don't know.  I don't think I was "unfaithfull" to the call by not talking to them, but could I have done more?

I tend to see every opportunity to talk about Jesus, especially to the decieved, as priceless, to the degree that I seek them out, so I guess I got a bit frustrated watching those opportunities get turned away.  Even the Muslims, because their doctrine is supriseingly similar to Mormonism, and they can be shown the true Jesus with their Koran.  Though the rest of the doctrine is occultic in nature, Jesus is in their book, they just choose to ignore that part.

That said, I agree with the mission statement as BEP presented it, and I agree that it is a good one, if that is how God is leading you to guide this forum.  It also sheds a little more light on why some posts are responded to the way they are.

Carry on...



Oh...andplusalso...

Jesus said, Matthew 12:26
26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?


This does not imply that Satan does not drive out Satan, because after all, his house will not stand, will it.  Satan certainly does drive out Satan, the occult does it all the time.  It's part of the con.  The "white light" witches hate the "black" magik crafters, and vise-versa.  they are divided--for a common goal--to decieve.

1Tim and All,

This topic started out with a television show and progressed to cults, etc. I had to chuckle just a little bit because of my personal experiences with cults. I'm not chuckling about the accident you were talking about 1Tim. Many in my family are preachers and missionaries, are we do the preaching when someone comes to our house. As a result, most of our addresses are on a don't go list for Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. Now I'm thinking about my dear dad at home with the LORD. He took it one step further - he wouldn't let them go until he was through preaching. As far as I know, not one of us ever made a dent. There's no way to deal with years of brain-washing in a few minutes, but we keep trying. It's almost like "in one ear and out the other" for them. We are the infidels and the lost, not them. Most of the time Islam is the most militant and they think that threats will work to let them do whatever they want to on the forum.  That only works in reverse here. We have had Mormons on the board for fairly long periods of time with very few problems, but Jehovah's Witnesses and Islam are usually gone before anyone knows they are here. We've had just about everything you can think of, including entire covens of witches, 5 or more self-proclaimed Messiahs, satan worshipers, nudists, and the list gets much worse from there.   :D  They are all welcome as long as they obey the forum rules.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hebrews 12:1-2 NASB  Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.