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This thread is being placed in the Bible Study area for a purpose. As with all threads in this area it is strictly for Christians only. It is NOT in anyway to be construed as a support for the teachings of the Koran. Any posts made in support of the Koran will not be allowed. Such posts will be deleted and the person posting it may be banned without warning.

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First I want to point out some things the koran says about the end times then I would like for us to point out the truth from the Bible. There are others here that are much more proficient in the Biblical end times message than I am so please step in and give me a hand where you are able.

There are three key figures for the end times in the koran.      Al-Dajjal which means "Imposter" the koran says he is the antichrist.  Al-Mahdi, the word mahdi means "The Guided one". Isa. This is the aramaic word for Jesus. The following is an excerpt taken from an un-named web site that portrays a rough chronological order of events according to the koran.



# "Al-Dajjal will come, claiming to be God holding Heaven and Hell. His purpose is to deceive, and unbelievers will follow him. He is short, red-faced, blind in the right eye, and has hair which sticks up. He will go around the world, but will be unable to enter Madinah or Makkah." [There are numerous detailed ahadith on this man.]
# "Al-Mahdi will come at the time of Al-Dajjal. He will call to the true Islam, and will be a military leader. His name will be exactly like that of the Prophet: Muhammad ibn Abd-Allah, and his father's name will match the Prophet's father's name also. He will be descended from Fatima, the daughter of the Prophet."
# "Isa (Jesus) will come at the time of Al-Dajjal and al-Mahdi as well. He will descend at the time of Fajr prayer on a masjid in Damascus, the capital of Syria. He is of medium height, red-faced, and his hair is as if he just took a shower. He will call people back to Islam, but he will also be a military leader. The People of the Book will revert to Islam, and wealth will be super-abundant. Isa will break the cross, kill the swine, and personally slay Al-Dajjal. He will stay on Earth for a long time thereafter, and then die."
# "An animal will come and call people back to Islam." [A partial description of this animal is that it is very hairy, so much so that one will not be able to tell its front from its rear (Arabic: 'Dab-ba'). Reference to this animal is mentioned in the Qur'an.]
# "Gog and Magog (two hidden tribes of people) will break free of the dam that holds them back, and ravage the earth. They will drink all the water, and kill people until Allah sends against them a worm which will wipe them out." [This is roughly before/during the time of Isa, although it is not entirely clear.]

After Isa has died allah supposedly then destroys all angels and the contents of the earth spill out.

Does anybody else see through these lies and see a correlation to Biblical prophecy here yet?

Now we know that Jesus Christ does not set foot on earth prior to the start of this battle as the koran indicates nor does He show up at the same time as the antichrist so we know this to be false right off. We also know that Jesus does not die. Now is it just me or is there a connection here to three leaders mentioned in Biblical prophecy? I believe there is. This is the reason that those following islam will be deceived by the antichrist. I also believe, as is evidenced in world events, that islam is working right now to bring these things about because they are taught that islam will rule the world.

In reference to Al-Dajjal; Revelation 13:3 And one of his heads seemed to have a deadly wound. But his death stroke was healed; and the whole earth went after the beast in amazement and admiration.
Zechariah 11:17 Woe to the worthless and foolish shepherd who deserts the flock! The sword shall smite his arm and his right eye; his arm shall be utterly withered and his right eye utterly blinded.

As I have said before the koran, (quran) takes the whole and discards, what they want. Here by breaking Revelation 22:19 And if anyone cancels or takes away from the statements of the book of this prophecy [these [a]predictions relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph, together with the consolations and admonitions or warnings pertaining to them], God will cancel and take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the city of holiness (purity and hallowedness), which are described and promised in this book.

Amen brother, they indeed will suffer greatly and so will those that follow such teachings.

Did you consider Daniel 7 in comparison to the three mentioned in the koran and how easy it is for those in islam to be deceived because of this? For this reason I consider the koran as being the enemies war plans.

When Jesus returns to the Mt. of Olives he will arrive from the direction of Edom (Southern Jordan)---with the blood of his enemies spattering his garments. He will bring with him the remnant of believing Jews who fled earlier to Jordan at the midpoint of the tribulation period.

During the Olivet Discourse, Jesus describes his future public return in these words, Matthew 24:29-31  29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.  30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and [a]beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliancy and splendor].  31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect (His chosen ones) from the four winds, [even] from one end of the [b ]universe to the other.

Though we know, Jesus is alive, and waiting for release from the our Father.

Most important of all;  Ignore, reject, or distort God's truth and you risk missing out on God's plan. You risk having to endure the terrors described in the book. You risk losing out on your portion of the tree of life and the beautiful Holy City. Believe it-because Jesus is coming soon! He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

I have to gather my thoughts and pray on this more. I know I can do better, then this. As this is weighting heavy on me now. I keep wanting to go off topic.
Bob

A bit of a question; I remember learning somewhere that Islam came from the line of Ishmael in Genesis 16.  I don't remember the source, but is that correct?  I am reminded of what the angel said to Hagar, ""You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the Lord has heard of your misery.  He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers." (16:11-12)

Forgive me if this is a bit off topic.   :D Though it does kind of speak as to why the Quar'an has the differences it does.

You are correct. Not only as to why the koran is the way it is but also why these people have problems even amongst themselves.

Israel exists by Divine Right, confirmed in both the Bible and Qur'an. I find in the Qur'an that God granted the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel and ordered them to settle therein (Qur'an Sura 5:21) and that before the Last Day He will bring the Children of Israel to retake possession of their Land, gathering them from different countries and nations (Qur'an Sutra 17:104). Consequently, as a Muslim who abides by the Qur'an, I believe that opposing the existence of the State of Israel means opposing a Divine decree.

Every time Ahabs fought against Israel they suffered humiliating defeats. In opposing the will of God by making war on Israel, Arabs were in effect making war on God Himself. They ignored the Qur'an and God punished them. Now having learned nothing from defeat after defeat, Arabs want to obtain through terror what they were unable to obtain through war: the destruction of the State of Israel. The result is quite predictable. As they have been defeated in the past, the Arabs will be defeated again.

In 1919, Emir Feisal (leader of the Hashemite family, i.e., the leader of the family of the Prophet muhammad) reached an Agreement with Chaim Weizmann for the creation of a Jewish State and an Arab Kingdom having the Jordan River as a border between them. Emir Feisal wrote, "We feel that the Arabs and Jews are cousins in race, having suffered  similar oppressions at the hands of powers stronger than themselves, and by a happy coincidence have been able to take the first steps towards the attainment of their national ideals together. The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with the deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement."

In Feisal's time, none claimed that accepting the creation of the State of Israel and befriending Zionism was against Islam. Even the Arab leaders who opposed the Feisal-Weizman Agreement never resorted to an Islamic argument to condemn it. unfortunately, that Agreement was never implemented, since the British opposed the creation of the Arab Kingdom and chose to give sovereignty over Arabia to Ibn Sa'ud's marauders, i.e., to the forefathers of the House of Sa'ud.

When the Saudis started ruling an oil-rich kingdom, they also started investing a regular part of their wealth in spreading Wahhabism worldwide. Wahhabism is a totalitarian cult that stands for terror, massacre of civilians, and for permanent war against Jews and Christians, and non-Wahhabi Muslims. The influence of Wahhabism in the contemporary Arab world is such that many Arab Muslims are convinced that in order to be a good muslim, one must hate Israel and hope for its destruction.

Incidentally, in countries where Wahhabism did not spread, this idea is not rooted. An organization called "Muslim for Israel" was recently founded in Canada. A pro-Israeli Muslim journalist from Canada tells that some muslims support her openly, yet many more Muslims tell her, "We are with you, but are afraid to tell it." The same happens to me.

Al-Qaida is a Saudi organization, created by the House of Sa'ud, funded with petro-dollars profits by the House of Sa'ud and used by the House of Sa'ud for acts of mass terror primarily against the West, and the rest of the world as well.

As Pastor Roger asked, does anybody else see through the lies. A correlation to Biblical prophecy here yet?

Brother, maybe I'm just cross eyed this morning, or not coherent enough to make sense of this yet, but a few comments left me scratching my head here.....


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Surely I misread what you meant here, but it sounds like you are claiming to be muslim  ???   Say its not true!  :D   Me thinks I need another cup of coffee  ;)


Some interesting points have been brought up non the less.    I certainly have been pondering all that is happening as of late trying to find some connection with prophetic scriptures in relation to islam.   Whether or not islam is the catalyst that will send the world headlong into the tribulation or not I don't know.   I believe much is still missing from the picture to make this claim as of yet.  However, clearly the devil is using islam to further his grip on this world.  And it seems obvious thus far that islam will play a role in some shape or form in the end.   

As mentioned before, when my parents went to Trinidad west indies as missionaries, I was forced to attend a muslim school.   Of course those days had not yet revealed the violence we see today from this group.   Being in that setting, I had the opportunity to witness to a few muslims in person and just recently via e-mail.    Muslims will tell you that one cannot glean any so called truth from the koran in english, saying it does not translate right.   Yet interestingly, all the muslims I have spoken with (except one) all speak only english....lol    My question is, how are they getting truth if they can't speak the dialect the koran was written in?   Much like catholicism in the middle ages, their religion is spoon fed to them from their religious leaders and they follow blindly.

The main argument a Christian will face when witnessing to muslims is, how do you know what the truth is?  For muslims, their ONE claim to the authenticity of the koran is, "no one can make a verse like one of the Suras". ???      Also interesting is, in the koran itself, it tells its followers that they are to adhere to Biblical prophets and believe them, yet, today they will tell you that the Torah has been altered by the Jews, and the Bible by Christians.   Yet in recent months, some muslims are calling for the re-writing of history to omit the holocaust.    ::)     I wonder why the koran does not mention this tampering.   If no one can make a verse like one of the surahs, why would it tell its readers to abide by Biblical prophets if they were going to tamper with its writings?    Surely the god of islam is knowledgeable to know this would happen  ;)


I know I have ventured off topic from eschatology here, but just wanted to add some other food for thought to start off with.


Pastor Roger and Dreamweaver have already given a lot of information on this I was not aware of.   Certainly some interesting correlations regarding end times.   Hal Lindsey has been hammering away at this since the early 70's.   I personally believe Islam will most likely play a major role in the endtimes.   While many of these things seems to be brewing just under the surface, I believe when God removes the Church and finally turns His focus back on Israel, islam will certainly be one of the greatest tools at Satans disposal to attack Gods agenda.


Maranatha!

I think and hope that we have some cut and paste there that isn't marked as such.   ;) ;)  :o :o ;D ;D

The very reason that I brought this study up. I found it interesting that the koran points out three leaders in the end times and that the Bible points out three horns (leaders). There are some stark differences as to who these leaders are though. This is where those following the koran will be deceieved. I also find it interesting that just recently there was a group stating that the world would be go to one single rule under islam. This rule called the Khalifate features a leader, known as a Khalif (the title literally means the successor to Mohammed), who heads worldwide Islam. Assisted by a ten-man council (kings or leaders), his decisions are totally binding on all Moslems. Looking at other things that are happening right now this one world rule looks like a very good posiibility of happening.

Very interesting....I had not heard this either!




Yeah me too! lol   I'm sure its something like that.

Part of that is from a e-mail, I am witnessing to in Canada. He is muslim, I am Christian. He is trying to sell me on the muslim faith, while I am showing him, the truths in the Bible. So far, I have out shown him, on how inaccurate the koran is.

This is some of the things, I've been involved in lately witnessing to muslims.

That makes better sense now that we know that.

Was checking out Hal Lindsey's site this morning.  His new article goes right along with the discussion started here.   There were a few items I am just now hearing for the first time also.   I will quote only a small portion of it.


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The largest sect of the Shias, called The Twelvers, believe there were 12 imams after Muhammad and that the last one, Imam Mahdi, still lives, but he cannot be seen until Allah determines it is time to prepare the faithful for Judgment Day.

The Twelfth Imam, according to Muslim scholars, is also pictured in the Book of the Revelation as the Rider on the White Horse in Revelation 6:2.    :o

Traditional Christian interpretation of Revelation 6:2 sees the Rider on the White Horse as symbolic of the antichrist's bloodless political rise to global power before unleashing the persecution of the Great Tribulation.

The rider on the white horse is followed by the Rider on the Red Horse;

"and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword." (Revelation 6:4)

Ahmadinejad believes the Mahdi will lead the forces of Islam to global conquest in a war that will cost the lives of a third of mankind. And he believes that he is destined by Allah to start that war.  :o

The diplomatic fiction is that the UN can somehow threaten or cajole him out of fulfilling his divinely-appointed destiny by a threat of economic sanctions. (Ahmadinejad is a religious aesthetic who lives in a tiny apartment and drives a 20-year-old car.)

And the plot continues to thicken.

Does this mean we are on the brink of the Gog-Magog War? It depends on how one defines 'brink'. Most interpreters of Bible prophecy put the Gog Magog War somewhere near the mid-point of the Tribulation Period, and there is an overwhelming body of Scripture to back up that position.

Other commentators put the Gog-Magog War somewhere near the beginning of the Tribulation Period, either just before, or just after, the Rapture of the Church. There is an equally impressive body of Scripture to support that position. As to which is absolutely right, it remains to be seen.

However, the Pentagon admits that even a successful massive airstrike against Iran's nuclear infrastructure won't end Iran's nuclear ambitions. At best, it might stall them for five years or so until they are able to rebuild.

Assuming the strike doesn't rebound into an all-out Islamic retaliatory war against the West, and, to this point, it isn't all that clear that it would. But it might.

And the clock just keeps ticking.

End Quote:

Entire article here : http://www.hallindseyoracle.com/articles.asp?ArticleID=12567



Some extremely interesting things going on there.   This Aman-Jihad dude is obviously twisted in the head, but some of the things he says is rather hair raising.   At this point I still hold that the EU makes a better case for what we understand of the final Kingdom mentioned in Daniel, but current islam overtones is making a strong case too...lol.   Perhaps islam winds up being the woman riding the beast?   ???    Difficult call at this point, but I will say we are living in some interesting times here.   The devil seems to be working overtime as if he knows the end is in sight.   The pre-written history of Daniel and Revelation will rise to the surface as we get closer and closer.   

I can imagine Jesus is sitting on the edge of His throne waiting for the Father to say, "Its time to receive your Bride Son, lets bring Her home".

Maranatha!

2T, This is really amazing all these things happening just as God said they would and some people still don't believe.

Amen sister!   Theres almost not a day that goes by that NEW news doesn't tie into prophetic scripture somehow.   Truely amazing times we live in for sure!

Amen!  One minor amendment, that simply touches my heart greatly.  He's not bringing them - He's delivering them!  He delivered them before by splitting the Red Sea.  He does it here by splitting the mountain.  In a day and age where the world sets itself against Israel, it's comforting to me to know that God has not forgotten them...nor is He done with them.  Just a thought... :)

2T,

I'm glad that you posted that. It saved my fingers a lot of typing.  ;) Yes, I have heard that information, too, and have reached some of the same thoughts about it. Christians have been wrong before as to who the woman riding the beast is but I am inclined to believe that we are seeing now who it is. Even as a teenager before all this came to light I knew it wasn't the church that so many claimed it to be and leaned toward one that is the most false church on earth, one that is following satan completely.

Amen, sister it is amazing to me also but as the Bible tells us they are blind and cannot hear.

Amen, when God makes a promise He keeps that promise.

As listed in the news posted today in the Prophecy Current events section their is an Iranian embassy opened up now in the Palestinian area that advocates "islam's waging of a final, apocalyptic battle against evil" according to the teachings of the koran. Another article also posted there tells that there will soon be a major "al-Qaida leader as important as overall terror chief Osama bin Laden and the group's Iraq leader Abu Musab Zarqawi will soon reveal himself in the Palestinian territories and orchestrate local and global jihad from the area".

I think that we are seeing things unfold right before us.

HAMISH ROBERTSON: It would take an unusual set of circumstances to prompt a mother to encourage her sons to commit suicide, and then to take her place as a member of Parliament.

But these are not normal times in the Palestinian territories, and Mariam Farhat is no ordinary mother.

She achieved fame, or notoriety, depending on your point of view, when she appeared in a video with her son Mohammed, just hours before sending him on a suicide attack which killed five Israelis.

Two of her other sons also died fighting Israel.

Well, Mariam Farhat belongs to the militant group Hamas, which now controls the Palestinian Legislative Council.

Our Middle East Correspondent Mark Willacy went to visit Mariam Farhat in her Gaza home.

(sound of children talking)

MARK WILLACY: Mariam Farhat lives down a dirt alley in one of Gaza's teeming slums. Her rundown cinderblock home is covered with spray-painted Hamas slogans and elections posters.

We'd come to interview the 56-year-old Hamas candidate about her election to the new Palestinian Parliament, but Mariam Farhat was having none of it, telling our Palestinian producer that she would not talk to the foreign press.

She was angry, she said, at being taken out of context by another foreign media outlet, which quoted her as saying the new Hamas Government would require all Palestinian women to cover their heads.

(sound of Mariam Farhat speaking)

Our interview scrapped, we instead had to wait to hear from Mariam Farhat on the day of her swearing in as a member of the Palestinian Parliament.

(sound of Mariam Farhat speaking)

"May God let this day be our first blessed day in serving our great people and nation," she said.

An extremely devout Muslim woman, Mariam Farhat is known throughout Gaza as the "mother of the martyrs".

(sound of gunfire)

Three of Mariam Farhat's six sons were Hamas guerrillas who died fighting or attacking Israelis.

Four years ago she farewelled her 18-year-old son Mohammed in a homemade video, just hours before he embarked on a suicide mission against an Israeli settlement.

Storming the community of Atzmona, Mohammed Farhat opened fire, killing five Israeli teenagers before he was also shot dead.

(sound of Hamas member speaking on loudspeaker)

Mariam Farhat is one of six women candidates swept to power on a wave of support for Hamas. As well as sacrificing her sons, she says she wants to improve Gaza's hospitals and increase welfare for the poor.

"This is not only optimism," she says, "but a belief that this new Hamas Government is the first government of the Muslim Khalifate, in the new era that our Prophet Mohammad predicted," she says.

For Israel, Mariam Farhat is a living, breathing example of the dangers of a Hamas government.

Israeli Government spokesman Mark Regev says his country will withhold funds owed to the Palestinian Authority, because it fears Hamas will use the money to bankroll attacks against its citizens.

MARK REGEV: No one can ask Israel to transfer funds to terrorist organisations like Hamas and have those funds come back to us in the form of suicide bombings.

MARK WILLACY: And Mariam Farhat has publicly declared her wish that she had 100 sons, so she could sacrifice each in the same way she's already sacrificed three.

According to the Al Muhajiroun press in the UK there is a call to form a Khalifate in the UK. In an article posted to the Arctogaia Forum, April 2001 there is also a Moscow Khalifate that is already formed and attempting to take over Russia in the near future. From the statement made by one islamist leader at a recent CAIR meeting in California it would seem that is also the intention of CAIR here in the U.S. This leader made a comment something to the affect of changing the Constitution into an islamic one.


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Eye on Eurasia: Third generation Islamists

Tartu, Estonia, Mar. 28 (UPI) -- The popular revolution that has overthrown Kyrgyzstan President Askar Akayev has exacerbated concerns in Moscow that a "third generation" of Islamic radicalism has emerged in Central Asia, one likely to be far more organized, violent and international than its predecessors.

 At one level, of course, the expression of such concerns is little more than an attempt by Russian commentators to discredit the events in Kyrgyzstan and to force the Western supporters of democratic transformations in that region to pause and ask themselves whether they are in fact opening the door to Islamic radicalism.

Thus, for example, Sergei Markov, who heads the Moscow Institute of Political Research, told Interfax news agency on Thursday that any victory of the Kyrgyz opposition would lead to the rapid spread of "radical Islamist" influence throughout the countries of the Central Asian region. (interfax_religion/ru/print.php?act=news&id=2181)

Stanislav Belkovskiy, the president of the Moscow National Strategy Institute, echoed these words. In an interview on Friday, he said that any revolutions that might take place in Central Asia would not be like the Ukrainian and Georgian ones as the West hopes but rather Islamic. (apn.ru/?chapter_name=events_print&data_id=1444&do=view_single)

And Konstantin Simonov, another Moscow analyst, said that outside observers should not forget that "the disorders in Kyrgyzia began with Uzbeks rather than Kyrgyz," something he suggested points to a possible "domino effect" elsewhere of an Islamist victory in Kyrgyzstan. (apn.ru/?chapter_name=events_print&data_id=1445&do=view_single)

But at another deeper level, such concerns may reflect a more profound understanding of events there. One scholar at the Foreign Ministry's Moscow State Institute for International Relations has offered a longer-term analysis of Islamic radicalism in Central Asia, a trend that he suggests has already passed through two generations and is quickly moving into a third.

In an article published at the end of last year in Tsentralnaya Aziya i Kavkaz, a journal produced by the Swedish Center for Social and Political Studies, Dmitriy Karmanov suggests that the best way to understand the evolution of Islamic radicalism is to consider it in terms of a series of successive generations.

The first generation consisted of Islamist groups that were formed at the end of the 1980s and early 1990s, Karmanov writes. In most cases, they advanced their programs by peaceful means and sought to participate in the limited political processes that were allowed by the governments in Central Asia.

Moreover, they sought to organize themselves via the traditional structures of local societies rather than form political parties or underground networks, something that left them especially vulnerable to the use of the still enormous police powers of the Central Asian regimes.

As that happened, Karmanov points out, not only did these groups lose support in the population at large but the idea that Muslims in Central Asia could advance their cause by means of open politics was discredited as well, a development that prompted ever more Muslims to look for new ways to advance their interests.

That search, Karmanov continues, lead to the emergence of a second generation of Islamic radicalism in Central Asia. It was characterized by a shift from the traditional forms of protest -- demonstrations and broadsides, for example -- to an increasing "information war" involving the Internet and the distribution of illegal Islamic literature.

And these channels had the effect, Karmanov argues, of giving Islamic radicalism in Central Asia an increasingly "trans-national character," one that not only linked these individuals and groups to others like them within the region but also and more significantly to Muslim organizations abroad from whom they learned a great deal.

Increasingly, Kurmanov says, radical Islamist groups in Central Asia took the form of conspiratorial cells -- known as "khalka" there. Given government repression, that was the only way these groups could hope to survive.

But the MGIMO author says this adaptation to repression had another consequence as well: It meant that radical Islamists in Central Asia ever more frequently drew their membership less from the rural Muslim populations in these countries than from recent university graduates and other "marginalized" urban young people.

That shift in organization and membership meant not only that the groups became more radical on their own but also that they were increasingly affected by the most extreme Islamist radical groups in Europe and the Middle East, developments reflected on their Web sites, which were increasingly multi-lingual.

One aspect of that influence is that radical Islamists in the countries of Central Asia have now advance a three-stage agenda, calling first for the formation of an Islamist political party within national boundaries, then its integration into the international Islamist movement, and finally the construction of a transnational khalifate.

Now, Kurmanov suggests, the fragile authoritarianism of the Central Asian governments and the impact of developments in the Middle East and elsewhere in the former Soviet space may be combining to produce a third generation of the Islamist movement in that region.

That generation, Kurman argues, will keep the methods of information war "in its arsenal," but it will increasingly make use of "diversionary-terrorist tactics." To the extent that happens, he concludes, Islamic extremist violence is likely to quickly move beyond the borders of whatever state in which it first appeared.

Whether that will prove true of what has just taken place in Kyrgyzstan remains to be seen, but Kurmanov's argument, one made just before these events took place -- his article was published in the November-December 2004 issue of the Swedish journal -- is clearly one that provides a useful template for thinking about what could happen next in Central Asia.

The Arabic word makara means to deceive, scheme, or plan. The Arabic Bible in Genesis 3:1 uses the same word for Satan.


Allah is the deceivest of deceivers (Sura 3:54)

In sura 10:21 Allah is referred to be the fastest in deceit

Sura 8:30 ALLAH THE PLOTTER

YUSUFALI: Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah.

PICKTHAL: And when those who disbelieve plot against thee (O Muhammad) to wound thee fatally, or to kill thee or to drive thee forth; they plot, but Allah (also) plotteth; and Allah is the best of plotters.

SHAKIR: And when those who disbelieved devised plans against you that they might confine you or slay you or drive you away; and they devised plans and Allah too had arranged a plan; and Allah is the best of planners.

Sura 4:142 ALLAH THE DECEIVER (excerpt)

"The hypocrites seek to deceive God, but it is He who deceives them." (Dawood)

Now I ask who does the Allah of islam look like? Definitely not the same God of the Holy Bible.

2Ki 19:10  Thus shall ye speak to Hezekiah king of Judah, saying, Let not thy God in whom thou trustest deceive thee, saying, Jerusalem shall not be delivered into the hand of the king of Assyria.

A little more on the ideology of Islamic beliefs. Understanding this will explain why the Muslims are doing what they are today. This is an excerpt from a speech given by Prof Moshe Sharon from a theological point of view.

A WORD ABOUT PROFESSOR MOSHE SHARON

Professor Moshe Sharon received his Doctorate in Medieval Islamic History from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. He has served as an Advisor on Arab Affairs to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin as well as the Ministry of Defense. He currently lectures as professor of Islamic History at the Hebrew University.


ISLAMIC WAR BY INFILTRATION

Furthermore, there is another fact that must be remembered. The Islamic world has not only the attitude of open war, but also the method of war by infiltration. One of the things which the western world is not paying enough attention to is the tremendous growth of Islamic power in the western world. What happened in America and the Twin Towers is not something that came from the outside. And if America doesn't wake up, one day the Americans will find themselves in a chemical war and most likely in an atomic war–– inside the U.S.

END OF DAYS

It is highly important to understand how a civilization sees the end of days. In Christianity and in Judaism, we know exactly what is the vision of the end of days.

In Judaism, it is going to be as in Isaiah –– peace between nations, not just one nation, but between all nations. People will not have any more need for weapons and nature will be changed –– a beautiful end of days and the kingdom of God on earth.

Christianity goes as far as Revelation to see a day that Satan himself is obliterated. There are no more powers of evil. That's the vision.

I'm speaking now as a historian. I try to understand how Islam sees the end of days. In the end of days, Islam sees a world that is totally Moslem, completely Moslem under the rule of Islam. Complete and final victory. Christians will not exist, because according to many Islamic traditions, the Moslems who are in hell will have to be replaced by somebody and they'll be replaced by the Christians.

The Jews will no longer exist, because before the coming of the end of days, there is going to be a war against the Jews where all Jews should be killed. I'm quoting now from the heart of Islamic tradition, from the books that are read by every child in school. The Jews will all be killed. They'll be running away and they'll be hiding behind trees and rocks, and on that day Allah will give mouths to the rocks and trees and they will say, "Oh Moslem come here, there is a Jew behind me, kill him." Without this, the end of days cannot come. This is a fundamental of Islam.


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As you can plainly see Muslims have an agenda. That agenda is to take over the world and implement Islamic rule. Is this the woman riding the beast? I am really beginning to believe so.

I was reading the news story today about the finding of 30 bodies beheaded in Iraq. The following scripture came to mind.

Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


I am more convinced that this false religion has a major role in the end times.

Romans 11:25-26  (AMP) Lest you be self-opinionated (wise in your own conceits), I do not want you to miss this hidden truth and mystery, brethren: a hardening (insensibility) has [temporarily] befallen a part of Israel [to last] until the [a]full number of the ingathering of the Gentiles has come in,  26 And so all Israel will be saved. As it is written, The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will banish ungodliness from Jacob.

The "Phoney Prophet" Muhammad said, "Even if the entire duration of the world's existence has already been exhausted and only one day is left before the Day of Judgment, Allah will expand that day to such a length of time, as to accommodate the kingdom of a person out of my Ahl al-Bayt who will be called by my name. He will then fill the Earth with peace and justice as it will have been filled with injustice and tyranny before then." Sunni Reference: Sahih Tirmidhi, V2, P86, V9, P74-75.

It is clear from the content, that the Koran contains many similarities to the Bible. In fact, Muhammed "borrowed" from the Bible and twisted Scripture in order to form the religion of islam some 600 years after the death of Jesus. Since his "notes" weren't consolidated in any particular order, his disciples eventually arranged them from the longest to shortest "surahs".

The internal organization of the Qur'an is somewhat ad hoc. Revelations consisted of verses (ayat) grouped into 114 chapters (surahs). The arrangement of the suras is mechanical: the first, al-Fateha or "the Opening," is a short prayer exalting God that has become an essential part of all Islamic liturgy and prayer. The rest are graded generally by length, from longest to shortest. It is impossible to tell from the book the chronological order of the surahs. Some of the Surahs begin with letters of the Arabic alphabet, as though meant to be numbered, others do not. Some Surah of the Qur'an refer or allude to religious and historical events but seldom provide comprehensive accounts. God in the Qur'an speaks in the first person.

For us believers in Jesus, the Bible containing documentation of prophecies of which more then 300 have so far come true. It is an accurate historical document that flows in chronological order from beginning to end.

Sorry Pastor Roger, this subject leave a very bitter taste in my mouth.  Thats one of the reasons, I don't go here very often in, Eschatology, The Bible and The Koran topic.

I do understand what you mean, brother. I have heard many sat that there are similairities between the Bible and the koran are very few. In actuality there are more "opposites" than there are similaitities.

Brothers and Sisters,

From everything I've been able to read on this subject, the Koran was simply stolen from the Bible, reformulated, added to, subtracted from, turned upside-down, and claimed. Their inclusion of JESUS as nothing more than a prophet makes the Koran a stolen book of blasphemy, but there are certainly some interesting things to consider regarding the end of this age.

Islam awaits the Mahdi, and there are thoughts that he is either already here or will come soon. I've considered the possibility that the Mahdi may be the anti-Christ. Regardless, Islam does fit into the end of age events.

Brothers and Sisters, I think there is a growing number of Christians who see and hear things that make them believe the end of the age of Grace might be drawing near. Regardless, there should always be an urgency to share the Gospel of the GOOD NEWS with everyone we can. We can also educate and warn that false religions will deceive and snare hosts of people. I know beyond any doubt at all that there is still plenty of room left IN THE ARMS OF JESUS. GOD does not want anyone to perish in their sins, and I know in my heart that GOD is using hosts of Christians to deliver HIS WORD.

I have a feeling of joy every time I think about JESUS coming to catch His Church up into the air. I hope and pray that hosts will be saved each day, right up to the time that HE comes for us. I trust GOD to do just that because HE promises that HIS WORD will never return void.

Brothers and Sisters, we have nothing to fear for the LORD is with us.

Love In Christ,
Tom

John 1:10-13 NASB  He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Psalms 118:6-7 NASB  The LORD is for me; I will not fear; What can man do to me? The LORD is for me among those who help me; Therefore I will look with satisfaction on those who hate me.

Islam isn't going away anytime soon, nor is anyone going to stop its goal of destroying the "infidels". As y'all know, this is a part of Gods plan. The Jews are God's Chosen People, and they won't be the ones who will be annihilated in the end. Read the Bible, God's Original Word , whose Scriptures Muhammad "borrowed" from to come up with the koran; the fate of all unbelievers is outlined in the Bible!

Throughout history, many lunatics including Hitler, have tried to annihilate the Jews. Guess what, the Jews are still here! Nobody is going to annihilate them! Ask yourself how come the Jews are the ONLY people on earth who have maintained a unique identity throughout the centuries. Ask yourself how come the God of the Jews gave them HUNDREDS OF PROPHECIES that have already come true! How many prophecies from the Koran have come true? Ask yourself why and HOW nine countries in 1967 were UNABLE to defeat tiny Israel in their quest to remove the Jews and claim Israel for themselves! :D

Unlike allah, Jesus doesn't force Himself on anyone. Allah expects people to die for him, while Jesus sent us an aspect of Himself to be the final sin sacrifice, His "Son" Jesus died WILLINGLY for us. In the end, when "push comes to shove". Who do you think people will end up following, someone who wants to bully them into believing, or someone who loves them enough to give them a choice?

Whether the muslims like it, or not, the Jews are living proof that, we all can rely on the promises made by God in the Bible. Everything that spews forth from the mouths of the muslim leaders reeks of death, especially when it comes to the Jews. They don't realize they have been deceived by satan and are blindly following him into the deepest of holes. Their koran is nothing but stolen Bible Scriptures, twisted to suit their own purposes.

Nations around the world need to realize that the muslim attacks have been getting worse over the last 25 years and that this is a fight against islam and its demon god, Allah. The Koran orders its followers to kill "the infidel". An infidel is anyone who refuses to bow down to Allah. Muslims have forced people to convert before, and that is still their agenda, now, more than ever. The world needs to realize that these attacks are just the beginning - they will not cease if we "give in" (look at Spain), because the Muslims' agenda consists of much more than simply removing the world's nations from Iraq!

Amen brothers.

Those who follow the koran claim it to be "inspired". I sometimes think that it was but inspired by satan not by God.

Amen Dreamweaver!

Your post was beautiful and I got stuck thinking and concentrating on one thing:  Our precious Lord and Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, died for us - not the other way around. There is no greater love than the love JESUS has for us. This one absolute fact is so beautiful that I just want to keep thinking about it and nothing else for awhile.


Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 18:2 NASB  The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.

Romans 8:31-32 NASB  What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?  He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?

The religion of peace, or rather submission. Peace when the world submits to the supremacy of Islam. Death to all who convert away. No Christian churches allowed in Saudi Arabia, few in most other muslim areas. No Bibles allowed to be shipped to our troops fighting to liberate from Sadaam during either war...

The only alternative is for there to be a great Christian revival in these Muslim countries which turns them from Satan to God. Muslims are in greater spiritual bondage than the people of the old Soviet Union. But, that revival is in the work and timing of the Holy spirit, not something we can program. In the meantime, dedicated Christians like Pastor George Masih continue to labor for that revival, often ending up as martyrs paying with their lives for their efforts. There are no greater heroes in existence today than these saints of God who labor against all odds for their faith in these awful Muslim countries.

Only Satan could so decieve a human being into believing in such a primitive religion, that encourages them to behave in a manner worse than a lowly, filthy pig. Only Satan could blind them to humanity, so that their minds are twisted into thinking that to kill a human being who was created by God, in his image- would please God so much God would guarantee that they live in "Paradise", along with their families.

How tragic that they believe that hate, murder, torture, and suicide please Almighty God! That the Almighty God Jehovah would want human sacrifice!

But, it is that very swine that Jesus died for. If only they would allow him to work in their lives. If only they could see that Jesus became a part of the human family to defeat the great enemy, Satan, by His death. Jesus was the only sacrifice ever needed!

Pastor George Masihr knew this. He had given his heart to Jesus Christ, and so he became the property of the Almighty God. His life was God's not the muslims. They are so ignorant that they can not see, that they did nothing to this man.

Islam converts by the sword and maintains itself by the sword.

Brothers and sisters, welcome to looking at World War III. They may have started it, but God is going to finish it in the long run. ;D