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Note: I posted a similar topic to the Women only tread for the purpose to compare different gender perspectives.

this time im also would like to know the male perspective

Pls refer this weblinks below...

the long sleeve sweeter style looks like this:

(http://asia.geocities.com/tuzaj_5/210971_fpx.jpg)

the plain white tube top:  

(http://asia.geocities.com/tuzaj_5/prodImage.jpg)

My questions

Fashion style: My friend wears similar style to that of the above weblinks with a long-length of peasant skirt but she's has a small breasts so i think i cant really prejudge her to be a show off in showing her non-existence cleavage...

Questions

1. talking about a girls' fashion, does wearing a girl's top (tube top) as her undershirt with a long sleeve sweeter look modest?

2. Does wearing this makes seductive to the teen and adult male species?

3. Why does the girls' upper chest (V neckline) has to be commonly expose in most fashion clothing?

4. Does exposing V neckline makes girls feel self-consious in our society today?

To me personally your pictures show to much cleavage. That is not dressing modestly, as the Bible tells us to dress.

Tube tops do not fall in line with apropriate wear, no matter what kind of figure a woman has.

 

Amen, Brothers & TalkerCat

   Well, it does not take rocket science to figure out the answer to this question.
No,  it's not modest, friend
and if justification is what the root of it is, then, theres the answer also. NO
  But hey,  Modesty means MODEST, no loop holes, or v-necks,  or any type tubetops to that.

only always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble

It is my own opinion brothers, and sister, that this type of dress code is an abdomation of God.

Now, this is my idea, of modest dressing, for women.

(http://www.modestapparelusa.com/dress_bluefloral_cord.jpg)

Amen, brothers and sisters. Modesty is of the utmost importance for both Christian men and women. If it is style, designer clothes,  that is of concern there are many clothes that are being made today that are appropriately modest clothing.

I guess she didn't get what she wanted. ;D

ok sorry I just want to say if a lady has endowed figure, no matter what she wears will still show her figure, the curves etc, so if she is not wearing tubes or bare back top but normal clothes that are sold in the market, wouldn't it still attract people's attention? I do not think nowadays ladies would wear especially big and loose clothes that does not show any curves?

So do you guys mean as long as the lady does not wear tube and tight-fitting clothes is ok even it means we can see ladies endowed figure. So does it mean the Chinese cannot wear Cheongsam "A long dress with a high collar and slit skirt, traditionally worn by Chinese women" cos' that enhances a lady's figure making it looked endowed.

jesusisthelight, my own feeling are, the less skin showing the better. I know quite a few younger women who wear looser fitting clothing to show less shape. I am 48, and these kids (good grief!) are anywhere between 16 to 28. So yes, I'm old enough to be their dad.

Well then I s'pose I'll have to be the lone dissenter.... *sigh*

Since the responses consist of opinions only; then my opinion is that the outfit first pictured WITH the tube top isn't immodest...
Course I personally wouldn't wear any of the clothing pictured! But I find nothing in Scripture against it.
UNLESS PR is correct.  ;D
Then I find that "obey your folks even if you disagree" part is still there.  ;)

What appears immodest is that the models appear to have no undergarment over the breasts. therefore displaying breast outline through the clothes which are not immodest other than the dress's V neck comes down too far. It should be higher or something worn underneath. Also the tube top model is not immodest if the tube top is worn with undergarment but the immodesty is down below and is also gross with the stomach hanging out.

Young women of today need to class up their act. They seem to lack good taste.

I agree with Terri, too many woman, young ladies and teens show too much. They want to be looked at, they want to draw attention to their bodies and not to their character, personality, or their intelligence. I dress quite elegantly, I get many compliments from many people at church, yet my clothes is very  modest and before I even walk out the door I ask my husband for his opinion. A woman can dress modestly and elegantly and look much better than the way some people dress now a days.

Amen Sister Maria,

If a person is looking to attract another for the purposes of a relationship then the physical attration is one of the least of concern. A realtionship that is built on physical attraction alone is one that is doomed to failure.

AMEN PR!

AMEN, brother.

I'm never 'well dressed' but I am clean!  ;D

I gave away ALL my lined business skirt suits (with the matching jackets)!  ;)
Praise the Lord!  ;D

I'm never dressed 'elegantly' but I am clean!  ;D

I don't get complimented by folks at your church.  :'(
But my whole family does get compliments at the local gathering we attend. My favorite is that we always come with smiles!  ;D

I prolly shouldn't ask your husband for his opinion on my jeans, eh?  ;)

Meh. I'm old now. I doubt I could look 'much better' than anyone else. But I am fearfully and wonderfully made!   ;)

I do go for the modest part but 'elegant' was never my style!  ;)


We were watching a dvd the other day. A church building that was torn down in China by the government. Those folks continued to praise and worship without a building and they weren't very well-dressed. Ah but it was such a beautiful sight to behold!  :D

Posted elsewhere but really good words here, too!  :)

Excellant words Sisters. I have seen many turned away from God because of judging of what they wear before they are even brought to the Lord and some of those individuals were quite modestly dressed.

Jesus looks at the heart, not at the clothing. I love the song by Crystal Lewis 'Come just as you are', God will change us, we can't change others.
That does not mean that once a Christian has learned the importance  of modesty, that they should continue to dress in a way to draw attention to themselves, you know the very low cleavage, very short or tight dresses and skirts. But for a non believer the most important thing to us should be to give that person the message of salvation.

God will change us! Amen!



If they are dressing "immodestly" in your opinion, then wouldn't you also be of the opinion that maybe God will get to it but just maybe He's working on something else in their lives? Since God tends to do most of His work from the inside out, then maybe He's working on things inside a Christian like hate, or pride, or self-righteousness or whatever He deems most important?

And for the believer, the most important thing to learn might be who they are in Christ and how to walk with Him and grow in Him.

And in my own personal experience, I've found that for every Christian woman who dresses to be what *I think* is immodest usually means they have a different background than I do, are a new Christian, have low self-esteem, or even didn't have a Godly female influence in their life, or just flat-out can't afford better. But they tend to instinctively keep a look out for an example that they can learn from. And they eventually *get there* wherever *there* is. God leads them there. But for me to walk in and see the *outside* and make a judgement call without getting to know the real them does more harm than good. And you can sit in the same pew with a woman for years and have no clue what her real life is like. It takes building a relationship with them. And when it's happened to me, I've found that God shows *me* things that need to be worked on in my own heart and life!

We are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. We are not to pass judgement on disputable matters.
And:
Who are you (we) to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

We can't look at a person and know where they are spiritually. Some of the most self-righteous women I have ever met in the churches are dressed like peacocks with the most judgemental comments said to me about others. My husband tells me I can't smack 'em, no matter how nicely I ask.

Amen, sister, personally I have more important things to do than to think about, worry about or judge anyone on the way they dress. And you are right their are many  self righteous people even in the church, but as I said only God can change people. It's hard enough for us to stay on the narrow path without worrying about how others are behaving or dressing. But I also believe that we can lovingly and in a Christian manner show someone where they are wrong. Maybe they don't know or haven't noticed. If they get upset or mad than all we can do is pray. As I said in another post God looks at the heart, we can't see that. That is also why I feel  we should examine our own hearts. and ask God to reveal to us if we have done wrong. There are sins that we may ave commited and not noticed, and there are also sins of ommision, things e know we should have done, but didn't.

Isn't that wonderful! Now if only others in the *churches* would learn that!  :)

As long as they are "wrong" according to Scripture and not opinion.  :)

And we also can't often see where the Lord is working in someone's life.  :)

And if we'd all do that, we'd be so busy following the Lord we wouldn't have to worry about how others look.  :)

Good thoughts, thank you!  :)

Wow, i really needed to read this. I though the outfit was pretty and not immodest at all. I think i should learn Gods definiton of modesty.
I think my figure has become a source of pride with myself because i've gotten so many compliments on it from men. Hmmm....perhaps i have insecurity issues. ugh. I'm gonna talk to my pastor about this subject.
Sorry to intrude!!! Thanks for this thread!

I dunno so much as u guys,
Maybe ur all older or something but I look at the sweater and as a young man I don't see anything sexually alluring about it, especially if your friend is wearing a bra underneath it. The tube top I suppose is a little more questionable, it looks pretty thin and see through and doesn't leave much to the imagination.

This one thing I do know, culture is changing and opinions of appropriate dress is changing. I know loads of girls wearing clothes like that and I don't have uncontrolable urges to commit sinful acts nor do any of my male friends.
I suppose it depends largly on the culture of your area, if it's not normal to wear those types of clothing then I can see the problem, men in that area who aren't used to seeing such clothing would i guess be a little more prone to look (and thats what this is all about really isn't it? does this outfit cause ur fellow brother to fall?) just the same as if you were to pluck a lady from the sunny shores of brazil and have her strolling down the streets of Scotland here, I'm sure she'd get more than a look or two (not from me).

I don't agree that the lady with the all in one flowery dress is the only right way to dress, personally if I saw any teen girl with that on I'd give her some money out of compassion for the poor lass. She'd never persuade any of her friends that becoming a Christian is a good idea thats for sure.

Here's a question:

If an unchurched girl walked into your church wearing what you would consider inappropriate dress whatever that may be, what would you do? ask her to leave? let her dress that way for a couple of weeks then challenge her when you know her better? or something else?

Ian