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1  Theology / Debate / Put Wine back on the Lord's Table? on: December 20, 2006, 08:23:40 PM
Refrigeration and pasteurization were not invented until recently. Christ took the Lord's Supper at Passover time, 6 months after the grape harvest. Keeping a bunch of grapes for 6 months to squeeze fresh grape juice out of them is unreasonable. Sulphites do not prevent grape juice from turning to wine. They only arrest the fermentation process from turning into vinegar.

Even Jewish historians who know their culture best, will tell you that the "fruit of the vine" is a Jewish term for wine, not grape juice. Fermentation is a God-ordained process of preservation. Wine is preserved because it becomes alcoholic. That is the wine that Jesus instituted for the Lord's Supper. New wine is only grape juice for a few days in the autumn, 6 months before Jesus instituted the Lord's Supper.

Some Baptists and other "immersionists" such as Churches of Christ are bigoted against churches which do not immerse for baptism, claiming rightly that immersion was the original, but incorrectly that baptizo is always used literally in the Bible. It is not. What a contradiction that they don't use this same argument for the Lord's Supper!
2  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Former Worldwide Church of God Pastor on: April 15, 2004, 08:05:43 AM
I was a WCG pastor for almost 20 years and with the denomination 30 years.  That means I believed a load of legalistic junk and taught it for most of that time.  In the 90's, when the denomination repented, I soon became a proponent of the church's reformation.  I went back to get a master's to correct my theology.  It was a real joy and blessing.

I have not pastored for 4 years now.  Even though my theology is so much better, my heart is in deep sorrow.  I guess I expected the Church (the mainstream) to be in so much better shape than it is.  I am profoundly disappointed with the Church.  I've been everywhere - to almost every denomination in the spectrum.

I would like to pastor again, but I can find no church now that I can wholeheartedly support.  It grieves my heart to see so much denominational pride, arrogance, party spirit and division.  Perhaps because I was so steeped in it, I am supersensitive to legalism.  However, instead of faith based on explicit Bible statements, I find man-made rules and legalism everywhere.

Now some of you are going to get mad at me and say who am I a former cult guy to sit in judgment of the Church!  You are of course right.  I have no right to judge anybody.  However, I can discern and that discernment causes me to grieve deeply.
 
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