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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2004, 10:55:32 AM »

The original post was very interesting and informative.  I am pleased someone had the courage to address this issue.

What would happen if women left the workplace?     There would still be unemployment of men.  Ancient feudal societies didn't have any unemployment.  The nobility were supposed to take the responsibility of providing for their subjects in time of famine.  (although they often lead wars and executed people for petty crimes) However, since the industrial revolution, unemployment seems to be common.  Many nations have moved into democracy.  However, we tend to forget the Church of Christ (Church universal) is not a democracy.  

Some Christians fail to realize that a wife who stays home to care for her family is virtuous.  It is a virtue to be a good wife and mother.  Some Christians have more virtue than others.

Titus 2:5  To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
It is also a virtue to be discreet, chaste and obedient.  Most women have trouble with most of the items on this list.  This mostly do to the failure of the older women in the church.

 Titus 2:3-4  Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers, or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good.  Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God."  

Titus 1-2 deals with teaching the older men.  So the elders of the church have failed to teach the older Christians and they in turn have failed to teach the younger Christians who will fail to teach their children.  It might be a fact that some Christians are just not listening or listening to the wrong message.  

Young women ought to be encouraged to consider staying home once they are married, not just for their children but for their husbands.  It is also quite unkind to feel that Christian women should have to stay home AND homeschool all their children AND run a successful gotcha188.  If they don't do that all, they are considered lazy.  If they can do that all, they have great virtue.  But is a wife who stays home, doesn't have any children and doesn't run a business, considered to have less virtue than one who does all three?

Many divorces are caused by either spouse not being responsible in their expected role.  Traditional roles husband/father/provider and wife/mother/nuturer  have worked for hundreds if not thousands of years.  It is easier to step into a role that is well defined than always having to negotiate every little thing.  Negotiations are usually required when there is a conflict.  Pre-marriage counselling should be required by every couple planning to get married.  The family unit needs to be kept strong for our health and happiness physically and spiritually.
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2004, 11:03:35 PM »

My wife and I were discussing this the other day so I thought I’d put some thoughts down to bring about some reassessing of where we are as Christians who are not to be conformed to this world.

But what would be the possible results if women decided to give up their careers and jobs and go home?

Now before you go blow a gasket let’s clear the air here up front.  I understand that due to emergencies or a true necessity a woman may have to pitch in to help support the household or herself due to several factors:
1. The husband passes away.
2. The husband is injured.
3. The woman is single away from home (for whatever reason) and not involved in the full-time church ministry.
4. The woman is married but has no children and may work under her husband’s authority at his business or similar.

But what I’m aiming at are those CHRISTIAN women that have children and who really do not have to work.  I can’t expect lost women to think this way but this still could apply to them as well.

Also, I’m not aiming primarily at the women here for if she is married then the head of the household has a responsibility here.  Some men are turning over what God called them to be and do to their wives thus putting undue pressures on them that were never intended.  Shame on men who do this!

Now, after trying to defuse some of the objections up front let’s get on with the show!

If the women were to leave the work place let’s look at some possible results:

1. There would be probably be no unemployment problem.
2. Women would not be under the authority of another man.
3. Women would not be usurping the authority over the man.
4. The children would have a mother to come home to.
5. The women might even start taking responsibility in the raising of their children instead of turning them over to the state 8 hours a day.
6. Some women would not be tempting men with their alluring work attire.
7. Women would not seek to be doing physically what a man should be doing.
8. Women would not be under the undue pressure that God never intended for them to take.
9. There would be less confusion in the home regarding money.
10. The divorce rate might go down due to there would not be as many opportunities for temptation on both sides.
11. Women might have more time to serve their church.
12. Women might have more time to pray and keep the home,
13. The home would become more organized.
14. There would not be as much traffic on the roads.
15. Money would be saved on daycares, cars, wardrobes, etc.
16. Families would be able to slow down and spend more quality time together.
17. Health problems may go down due to the women being more relaxed and doing more of the great things God has called women to do.
18, Health would approve for then the women would have time to prepare more healthy meals from-scratch.
19. Money would be saved by not eating out since the women would have more time.

I’m sure there are some more that I’ve missed but I don’t have a lot of time.

Now here are some of the objections that are sure to come up:

1. We can’t afford our house payment or the house we want to live in!
Solution – get a smaller house or fix up the old one.

2. We can’t afford our 2 new SUV payments!
Solution – get rid of them and be more practical.

3. We won’t be able to buy a pool!
Solution – don’t buy one.

4. We have to pay for cable TV, Satellite, Broadband, etc.!
Solution – cut back.

5. We can’t drink cokes and expensive fruit juices at all our meals!!!
Solution – drink more water – it is cheaper and healthier.

6. We won’t be able to dress in the latest styles!
Solution – start making some of your children’s clothes or just be more practical.

7. We won’t be able to afford a vacation in the mountains!
Solution – go to the local zoo!

8. We won’t be able to give as much!
Give me a break!  This might be the case in a small minority.  If this is the case then I bet God will bless you anyway by you seeking to get your home more in line with his word.

9. What will the wife do all day?
Solution – maybe she could raise the little children, teach the little children, train the little children, keep the home, do charitable works in the neighborhood, pray more, read the Bible more, send out letters of encouragement, stay away from spas, malls, movie theaters, etc.  There is plenty to do for a Christian lady involved with a family and a local church.

10. “But I won’t have any of my own money!”
Solution – trust your husband for a change.  Grin

11. “But my husband can’t provide for us!”
Solution – see the above 10 solutions and then trust God for a change. Wink

12. “We are already in debt – what shall we do?”
Solution – see the above 11 – sell everything you have and quite working!  If we give you the option of working till the debt is paid off then you will get in debt again and continue working.

Now I’m sure you can come up with more reason why you feel you just have to have a career, earn money, etc.  But a family must differentiate between a need and a want.  God said:

Phil 4:19  But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

God never promised to provide a want and we as Christian families spend a lot of time and money on “wants”!  And these “wants” are dragging us away from God and towards the world!

Well there is my thought for the day.  Wasn’t that fun? Grin

Am I against women?  Give me a break - I’m married to a faithful Christian woman who has the above convictions – she even helped me on this especially the solution to number 12.  

God has given women a high calling and men and women have neglected that and even lowered that calling by letting women get involved in the workplace to the extent that they are.  Both are to blame – the man for allowing or pushing the women and the women for desiring and choosing this when it is not needed,

God has seen fit to provide for us as we seek to raise 10 children away from public school.  Are we perfect?  Of course not?  Do I trust God like I should? Of course I don’t.  Is the above hard?  Yes, we struggle in some of the above also.  But my wife has always stayed home and she had this conviction before we got married and she is not alone in this conviction.

Yes, I understand Pro. 31.  But read it real close before you seek to use it to justify the modern working woman of today!

I leave you with 3 verses for our edification:

Rom 12:2  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Titus 2:4  That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Titus 2:5  To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

And finally one for the man:

Eph 5:25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Well, I trust you will consider and ponder and have a Happy Thanksgiving!!!

May God bless!  

Hello AV,
What a wonderful question.
The Day Care Centers would close. That's the best part. I have been to some and I would never leave my precious baby with anyone. I remember investigating one place, there was a baby about 14 months old staggering around crying. He was tired. No one noticed him. I picked him up and found someone to put him down for a nap.
My advice, stay home with your babies. I did and I have never been sorry.

if you do have to work that is unfornunate. My heart goes out to those that must work.
Get Gramma to babysit. Smiley

Merry Christmas everyone,
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2004, 10:18:51 PM »

My wife and I were discussing this the other day so I thought I’d put some thoughts down to bring about some reassessing of where we are as Christians who are not to be conformed to this world.

But what would be the possible results if women decided to give up their careers and jobs and go home?

Now before you go blow a gasket let’s clear the air here up front.  I understand that due to emergencies or a true necessity a woman may have to pitch in to help support the household or herself due to several factors:
1. The husband passes away.
2. The husband is injured.
3. The woman is single away from home (for whatever reason) and not involved in the full-time church ministry.
4. The woman is married but has no children and may work under her husband’s authority at his business or similar.

But what I’m aiming at are those CHRISTIAN women that have children and who really do not have to work.  I can’t expect lost women to think this way but this still could apply to them as well.

Also, I’m not aiming primarily at the women here for if she is married then the head of the household has a responsibility here.  Some men are turning over what God called them to be and do to their wives thus putting undue pressures on them that were never intended.  Shame on men who do this!

Now, after trying to defuse some of the objections up front let’s get on with the show!

If the women were to leave the work place let’s look at some possible results:

1. There would be probably be no unemployment problem.
2. Women would not be under the authority of another man.
3. Women would not be usurping the authority over the man.
4. The children would have a mother to come home to.
5. The women might even start taking responsibility in the raising of their children instead of turning them over to the state 8 hours a day.
6. Some women would not be tempting men with their alluring work attire.
7. Women would not seek to be doing physically what a man should be doing.
8. Women would not be under the undue pressure that God never intended for them to take.
9. There would be less confusion in the home regarding money.
10. The divorce rate might go down due to there would not be as many opportunities for temptation on both sides.
11. Women might have more time to serve their church.
12. Women might have more time to pray and keep the home,
13. The home would become more organized.
14. There would not be as much traffic on the roads.
15. Money would be saved on daycares, cars, wardrobes, etc.
16. Families would be able to slow down and spend more quality time together.
17. Health problems may go down due to the women being more relaxed and doing more of the great things God has called women to do.
18, Health would approve for then the women would have time to prepare more healthy meals from-scratch.
19. Money would be saved by not eating out since the women would have more time.

I’m sure there are some more that I’ve missed but I don’t have a lot of time.

Now here are some of the objections that are sure to come up:

1. We can’t afford our house payment or the house we want to live in!
Solution – get a smaller house or fix up the old one.

2. We can’t afford our 2 new SUV payments!
Solution – get rid of them and be more practical.

3. We won’t be able to buy a pool!
Solution – don’t buy one.

4. We have to pay for cable TV, Satellite, Broadband, etc.!
Solution – cut back.

5. We can’t drink cokes and expensive fruit juices at all our meals!!!
Solution – drink more water – it is cheaper and healthier.

6. We won’t be able to dress in the latest styles!
Solution – start making some of your children’s clothes or just be more practical.

7. We won’t be able to afford a vacation in the mountains!
Solution – go to the local zoo!

8. We won’t be able to give as much!
Give me a break!  This might be the case in a small minority.  If this is the case then I bet God will bless you anyway by you seeking to get your home more in line with his word.

9. What will the wife do all day?
Solution – maybe she could raise the little children, teach the little children, train the little children, keep the home, do charitable works in the neighborhood, pray more, read the Bible more, send out letters of encouragement, stay away from spas, malls, movie theaters, etc.  There is plenty to do for a Christian lady involved with a family and a local church.

10. “But I won’t have any of my own money!”
Solution – trust your husband for a change.  Grin

11. “But my husband can’t provide for us!”
Solution – see the above 10 solutions and then trust God for a change. Wink

12. “We are already in debt – what shall we do?”
Solution – see the above 11 – sell everything you have and quite working!  If we give you the option of working till the debt is paid off then you will get in debt again and continue working.

Now I’m sure you can come up with more reason why you feel you just have to have a career, earn money, etc.  But a family must differentiate between a need and a want.  God said:

Phil 4:19  But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

God never promised to provide a want and we as Christian families spend a lot of time and money on “wants”!  And these “wants” are dragging us away from God and towards the world!

Well there is my thought for the day.  Wasn’t that fun? Grin

Am I against women?  Give me a break - I’m married to a faithful Christian woman who has the above convictions – she even helped me on this especially the solution to number 12.  

God has given women a high calling and men and women have neglected that and even lowered that calling by letting women get involved in the workplace to the extent that they are.  Both are to blame – the man for allowing or pushing the women and the women for desiring and choosing this when it is not needed,

God has seen fit to provide for us as we seek to raise 10 children away from public school.  Are we perfect?  Of course not?  Do I trust God like I should? Of course I don’t.  Is the above hard?  Yes, we struggle in some of the above also.  But my wife has always stayed home and she had this conviction before we got married and she is not alone in this conviction.

Yes, I understand Pro. 31.  But read it real close before you seek to use it to justify the modern working woman of today!

I leave you with 3 verses for our edification:

Rom 12:2  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Titus 2:4  That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Titus 2:5  To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

And finally one for the man:

Eph 5:25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Well, I trust you will consider and ponder and have a Happy Thanksgiving!!!

May God bless!  

Hello AV,
What a wonderful question.
The Day Care Centers would close. That's the best part. I have been to some and I would never leave my precious baby with anyone. I remember investigating one place, there was a baby about 14 months old staggering around crying. He was tired. No one noticed him. I picked him up and found someone to put him down for a nap.
My advice, stay home with your babies. I did and I have never been sorry.

if you do have to work that is unfornunate. My heart goes out to those that must work.
Get Gramma to babysit. Smiley

Merry Christmas everyone,
bluelake
"if you do have to work that is unfornunate. My heart goes out to those that must work.
Get Gramma to babysit. Smiley"


Give Gramma a break. She might have to work also to make ends meet.   Grin

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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2005, 11:12:07 PM »

I think women should stay at home, but how, I sure can't. (If the women wants to work and the husband and her can agree ok). The women belongs in the home raising kids (if they have any), to make the home a place of peace and harmony, but not to be a door mat, not to be judge, jury, and executioner which was my case. I've been married 23 years, I didn't work at first loved my time at home. Of those years I've had to work outside the home for 10 years, and all I see is a mix of power, and its not a good mix. (See pray request)
    Women are bless who have husband who are willing to be the soul bread winner, and can do it, and come home and be the preist of his home. I don't have that. I have to bring in my own money, my husband won't pay my debts. I have medicine I can't buy, a cell phone I had to cancel, I don't go grocery shopping, I took my name off his account because of the arguing over how much I spent or what I bought, never enough money and more arguements. My house is out of order. I never wanted to work outside the home, but debts and arguements forced me out. Right now I live on less than 100 a month I earn cleaning my church, so I can go back to school to try and get my education, because I need to earn more money than minimmin wage. My number one desire, to stay at home and be a wife again, but once the door of debt has been opened, and I have needs that my husband can't or won't fill....... what can I do I have to work. I honestly want to find somthing I can do at home but there is no work at home jobs that I've looked into that is honest or with out hooks of somekind.  
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2005, 03:02:42 PM »

I can't wait to be "released" from the work force for a while and raise my babies(21 months & 7 months). We are in the process of buying a home, so I must work to save money. I grieve everyday I have to drop them off at the sitter's. I get anxiety about it. Their sitter is a godly retired woman, but I still want them with me. DOn't get me wrong, I love the days when I am off and I take them to the sitter. It gives me some alone time with my husband. But for the most part, my desire is to stop working outside the home and even homeschool them(my family isn't happy about that thought...go figure). I respect a mother with young children decision to work, but I just wonder why, if she doesn't have to. I guess I am looking at the green grass on the other side, but I at least want to have the opportunity. Patiently waiting for my husband to "call me home"... Wink....I know this post may errk some, but pray for us anyway, please thanks.
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