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Thanks for the info, that was very explanatory.

Hey no problem, it was understandable.  Thanks for the info, Roger.

Those aren't  my  beliefs, just a computer error.  I generally read at least the language from two different versions if it is an important or confusing passage.  So,  I guess I can't say exactly which one I use, I do like to use the KJV because it is what others use so if I am going to witness to someone it will be in familiar terms for them.  As far as accuracy goes I think that the English translation of Jeromes Latin Bible is probably the most accurate because of when it was written, the resources he had to use, his mastery of the languages involved, and he lived a good life in the service of Christ.

Sorry, I'm still trying to figure out how to use your quote button.  I was trying to quote what sleeker said on the front page.

Blackeyedpeas:  However, I do agree with Sleeker somewhat on this point.  I also see why you feel the way you do.  I think that faith is the key that unlocks the door, hope opens the door, and charity gets you through(all done with faith of course).  The Bible clearly teaches that baptism is necessary and if you take a faith alone stance it seems to contradict that teaching and the natural logic that Lucifer had a far more lucid belief in God than we ever can, and look at him.   The Bible does say that faith is necessary but it also lists others, and I am not about to say that I can mark out the others and stick with one.  One must accept the whole Bible.  

Suicide is the epitome of despair.  Even so, one who jumped off a building could repent before they hit, or before the hammer fell, etc.  Suicide is wrong but there is plenty of wiggle room in God's mercy.

Sleeker:   You said "I believe the official Protestant belief is that in order to gain salvation, you only need to have faith and believe in Jesus Christ.  I'm a little curious.  If someone believes Jesus is the Son of God, but all his life he does bad stuff, like murder, stealing, and lying, never thinking what he's doing is wrong, he can go to heaven?  Thinking along those lines, the most generous, loving, great Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., would be forced to go to hell because they didn't believe Jesus was the Son of God, right?  That's certainly what it sounds like, and that certainly sounds wrong.  I personally believe that doing good deeds gets you into heaven, while faith and believing in Jesus Christ is just a large "bonus." "

 I will tell you what Martin Luther said,  he said that though you commit rape a thousand times a day and as many murders you shall surely not  lose your salvation.

You also asked "But, say Hitler acknowledged he had sinned, that Jesus died for those sins, believed that Jesus offered salvation, and that Jesus was the Savior, would he go to heaven?  I'm not criticizing this (at least, as of yet), I'm just wondering about the finer points. "

Hitler was only following Luther's instructions on dealing with the Jews as set out in his work "On the Jews and Their Lies" but in line with Luther's teaching he would have been ok.

p.s. how do you quote  on this forum?

No Kidding!! It is nice that some light is finally shining on the theory of evolution.   It is true that some evolution may occur but not the way they say it does.  Finally!  Don't get too excited, though, our teachers are still  nuts.  

[THE KING JAMES BIBLE]

THE KING JAMES BIBLE

The preserved inerrant word of God has always existed, still exists, and is identified today as the received text of the historic protestant reformation process. The translation of the received text into the English language has produced the inerrant, infallible word of God in English. Though a multitude of English Bible translations exist at the present time, only the King James Version is translated from the received text. The King James Version is identified as the inerrant, infallible, preserved word of God in the English language.

That wasn't a very love-filled post, brother.   I think it is incorrigible to suggest such a thing when even the authors clearly  said it was not so, I do not think that they would consider your statement a compliment.   I like the KJV but it wasn't taken from  the best  text.  The Latin version by Jerome  was taken from many different texts most of which are no longer available today and he knew the languages perfectly.  So that's the one I vote for.  

Dreamweaver:  

Don't be so  hasty to speak out against our heritage, if our past is wrong then we, too, are certainly wrong.

I will have to  disagree with the premise of the title of this thread due to my training in Junior High School many years   ago.   The  teachers taught us that if any question had an all inclusive or all exclusive qualifier  then the answer was false.  It works 98% of the time.