Symphony,
              Seems once the snow ball begins to roll, its just gets bigger and bigger. Proabition, right on up to same sex marriage. Is booze drinking wrong? No, but in excess anything is wrong. This generation is so desensitized to the wrongs (sins) that I really really worry about the generations ahead of us.  I've had years of therapy to deal with a terrible childhood.....but in some countries what I lived thru is normal and the called "rights of passage" , does that make it ok for "those" people who were raised to believe its ok? NO, NOTHING is alright to any body if it goes against what the scriptures lay out for us. Plane and simply. Homosexuality, incest are wrong. Why? cause the bible calls it an abomination. Someone mentioned holidays, and that the bible isn't good to use or something like that, man I can't believe that was said. YES the bible does matter.  All I know is that if ANYTHING comes between me and God then its wrong. The scriptures are the rule book, for all people its just that some people don't know that. And thats the real shame.  
    It seems the pray warriors need to pray more, but yet things are suppose to keep getting worse and worse. But we still need to pray.
Jesus is Lord.

Just to be on the safe side, The only kind of chip I'm interested in is the kind you can load up with french onion dip.  
    But they have the tech and have had for years to do chip inplants on animals, ya know FIDO, all shots lives at, weight, height, ect ect that injects thru a needle.... even read somehwhere about them talking about injecting infants at birth......DO DEE DOO DOO, (theme song). Just think the mix up that would be if you got the wrong baby.....Oh Mrs smith this is all wrong, chip says that your child is a girl, computer never make mistakes, so just ignore that part when you change his, or her diapters. Or some how they gave 2 babies the same #?
God is in control in the end......

     Any interested in finding out how children don't obey their parents let me know, I have 6, (2 away from home) and one grandchild you can barrow? What did they do back in BC to discipline their kids anyway.  Spare the rod, I didn't, I hold on the promises of God, raise a child in the way they should go.............by the hair of my teeth some days.....hey and these are those store bought kind got to hold on real tight too

What about these debit cards. I know its a convenient way of doing business. But it sure makes the one world system look closer and closer. My mom is a big one to say NO DON"T get that computer, no don't .........maybe so but then if its prophecied in the scriptures its going to happen no matter who or does or doesn't get involved. Someday I wonder how God can take another moment dealing with us. I can't wait for the day that I can worship him with out the burden of this carnal mind, and body.
Glory,
 

 Howdy,
          I remember a teaching from a while back about WHY did Judas have to point out Jesus. It was aranged before had that he would betray Jesus with a Kiss. Part of the reason that Jesus had to pointed out when obviously most would know him, the Roman soldiers probably didn't know him as well, so they had to make it a "legal" idenity. But also because Judas was the scapegoat, he was the accuser as the laws of that time requires, well in this day and age as well, also this way it kept the high priest making the poulation anger, and they were worried about keeping their popularity. So they found one that was a little on the shadey side anyway and "used' him to do their dirty work, they got to keep their hands clean......ame reason they turned it over to Pilate.
Rich blessing today

What does this mean ...."Jesus (PBUH)....... ?

Can you tell me who Mohammand is? What relationship does he have to Jesus, or anyone in the Holy Bible?

Why do you worship Alluh, is that the same as Jesus?

Why do you beat you wives?

Why aren't women allowed to show there faces own prorperty, or get an education?

Do you pick your nose in public?

The questions you ask here would be good questions for anyone who really cared. I posted several times on another thread and you failed to answer there. Anybody who really wants to get to know Jesus needs to ask questions, but since you don't care to have a relationship with Jesus this is a ruse.
  You are a muslim on a Christian board, I think we could learn from each other, but you have to have manners first. Are you serious in your questions? I think not, do you really want answers to understand or make fun of? Do you really want to know what the bible means or says? NO. So if you would stop being hard to get along with and answer on the other thread, and stop making fun of my Savior I will answer your questions. Until then as the scritpures says. Stay away from those who live a  life of sin, and have nothing to do with them.  (my paraphrase)

Ps the thread I am referring to is "GOD in the Bible will take His Kingdom from the Jews and give it to the Muslims"

Palms,
       I'm not sure if they were legal over 20 yrs ago. Several girls from this area just skipped over the state lines pg came home not. Supposely they miscarried while shopping or something.... But yes you are right, the person who I knew personally was one day shy of being into her 4th month so it was a late term abortion. Another day at 14 weeks they won't have done it. Doesn't make sense anyway shape or form does it. How can the Lord tarry any longer.

Checked out the site and book marked it for further use. Found it very painful to read, but joyus when there are lives of infants being saved. Its better than none. I see nothing wrong with the site.
   Many years ago I after much prayer and thoughtI wore a paper for my Church to sign about abortions...the just of what I wrote goes something like this........ Example of Karen Ann Quinlen, (sp) who lived off a respirator, family unplugs it and she lives for several years....can't remember if she had brain or heart activity. But there was a big debate over her land what determines life, brain waves or heart beat? They still haven't decided. Seems each state has its own law, so there still remains the question does brain waves indicate life or the heart beat......if majority of people can't decide how can ANYONE be allowed to abort a baby when it has  brain waves or a heart beat, or in some cases both.
 Another thing, I live in Mo. abortions are illegal here, so what happens but the girls in this area simply cross over the state line in Ks and get them done. What good do laws do anyway.
       I'm going to sound like my kids now but DUUUHHH !!!!!!!!! I don't understand the double standards we live by sometimes. Its stuff like this that makes me want Jesus to hurry up I'm want to go home, I'm not having fun anymore.
 OK off my soap box.

Hi,
     Jumping in hope you all don't mind. I read thru the first page and found the descussion interesting. Please forgive me if I have repeated anyone. I post somewhere on this big board that we have to keep watch when I "OUR" end times could. The crossing the street and bus analogy......anyway I found a scritpture that point this out. We most defiantly can't be counting days, moons, stars or what ever. Isa 49:8 referrs to this as well..... 2 Cor. 6:2 "In an acceptable time I have heard you, and the day of slavation I have helped you." Behold now is the accepted time, behold, now is the day of salvation......     So what I am saying NOW is the time to get yourself ready. We can't count days, or try to measure the mind of God, and what his time table is.  So maybe by some happen chances you know the Lord is coming Aug 1, but you die July 29, and your getting ready day was July 30  oops.
      I've also read in many boards like this that the raptrue or the gathering of people is a "new" teaching, it came to be in the 18 century. I believe the word rapture did come about then, but the meaning in not new. Compare "rapture-to gather together" from the teaching of Ephrem of Nisiblis (AD.306-373) who wrote......(judge for yourself please). Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he many draw us from the confusion which overwhelms all the World?....All the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the Tribulations, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see anytime the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins...... (taken from my dayly devotion site found at, Http://leftbehind.com/channeldevotional.asp).
       This isn't a new teaching, but one thats been here since Paul spoke of it in the Holy Scritpures 2 Thes 2.

Tibby,
        I sure have, it was good, complicated to read sometimes, so read it when you don't have alot of distractions around. It is full of info that any person could use to witness with as well. I'd love to get my nonbelieving bro in law to read it. But he won't even open the cover cause it looks relegious. I love it tho, he sets out to prove that Jesus is a fraud, and ends up convincing himself. He has a second book as well....not read it yet, but have it bought. The case for Grace I think is the name of it.

Paul2,
       I've taken the liberty of copying the posts here, I want to read all that has been written. I have a long wait in the dentist office tomorrow, perfect time to read.
        I'm sorry you lost all that hard work, does it ever make you wonder if the devil knows how to crash  a site?

     Teddybear,
           Standing in agreement and saying amen and amen. Thanks for the reminder that there are thinks in this world that will pulls away, keep us so busy we forget to fill our oil lamps. I really needed to read this. Thank you.

 Hey ya,
          coming in a little late with this thread, I love to talk about the end times, I just wonder tho how many of us get all worried about this. I use to real bad when I hadn't done any studying. I know one thing for sure, my end could be when the lord comes, or if I don't watch when I cross the street........OH DIDN"T SEE the  BBBBUSSss SPLAT.....just be ready right. But there are signs that will have to come about before the Lord returns. As I found out, there are several diff views as to when pretrib, midtrib or or post tribulations. There defiantly isn't a way to truly predict when, no way the time or hour. I sometimes thing God is sitting up in Heaven laughing at all these predictions. So sad too he could be crying, As the wise virgins, always be ready, and be careful crossing the street.

   I know some say to keep the state and church seperate, and sometimes I can see where that could be true. But still I think that a Christian has a responsiblity to be involved. If your not called to serve in office then christian need to vote. What happens if Christian don't, a person with nonChristian values will lead this country. So yes be involved. I have this saying too, if you don't vote then you don't have a right to complain, you let your oppertunity go when you didn't vote. The USA constintution was based on Christain Faith, and the bible so we need to keep it as close to a Godly nation as possible. ITs clearly becoming harder and harder for us to do that, we honestly need all the help and voices that we can get.  

Hi,
     Wonderful advise. I wanted to say I've been there and done that, my 2 oldest were 17 months apart,  last 2 were 20 months apart and I still had one inbetween.
       Like you I felt more like a ref at the end of the day, and a complete nag, I see now some of what i did wrong. These aren't gurantee's but suggests of someone who's been there.
    My biggest problem was the yelling, frustrated because I demanded my kids to do what they were told when they were told. Not a bad idea,,,,but, I'm was expecting 2 little kids to do what they were told when they didn't really know what I was telling them. SHOW them first, teach them what you mean when you say pick up your toys, like help momma real quick pick up these toys, and put them in the toy box. Don't demand perfection. And make sure they do help you, make a game out of it, big deal when they help.   When the squabbles happen and they will, you telling them to stop right now, give the correcting in a calm voice no yelling, they are waiting until the yelling starts then they know Mom means business but at that point everyone is out of control. Like you I trained my kids to wait till I yelled before they really started to listne, and then it was beyond control most of the time, hurt feelings, things said or done that can't be repaired. My advice is constistancy, no yelling, tell them to stop or you'll set them in time out, if they don't DO IT. a minute per age.
If you disipline with spanking then do it, you don't have to beat a kid, a swat on the tush and being constistant with that will begin to set up the house rules. Keep the house rules age appropriate, and again be constistant. Also something that really helps I found this out as my kids kept coming, routine, bed time, lunch, naps, pick up time, works best when kids know what to expect and how to do. IT'll take a while for your children to see the changes, but you have to begin sooner not later. Biggest deal about raiseing kids for me is the constistancy and making myself discplined before I discplined the kids.
     My prays are with you.