Hello Dan

Please forward your source for the definite article.

God bless
duval

 Hi duval and in Greek it is called the ARTICLE  and not the definite article .

  Look at  A  MANUEL  GRAMMAR  of the Greek  New Testament  by DANA and  Mantey on page 135-153  and the  Article always point to a  SPECIFIC  THING  and if you have Strong's you can look up all Articles that are used in the bible and Bullinger has a book " THE  GIVER  AND HIS GIFTS "  LINKED  to the Holy  Spirit that is very good also .  dan p

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Hi Dan

"the churches of Christ salute you" Rom.16:16.  If this is what they are in the plural, what are they in the singular??

God bless,
duval

 Hi duval  and the answer is church !!

 The real answer is  EKKLESIA  or Assembly or maybe Congregation !!

Hi Dan

So then have you torn I Jn and like passages out of you Bible??

Consistency, thou art a rare jewel,
duval

 Hi duval , and this is one answer I get from those who have  NO  ANSWER  and then say things , just as you have !!!

Hi nChrist

True, you've come up with some answers and some had scriptures attatched but none gave truth to the subject discussed.  I DO assure you I give attention to your posts as all others.  Further, while an old man I yet retain a clear understanding of what my Lord, Jesus the Christ and His apostles taught on the subject.

I shall now repeat the questions I asked you which for some reason you refused to give answer to:
QUESTION:  Was Holy Spirit baptism a promise or command?   MY answer is: promise!

QUESTION:  Was water baptism a promise  or command?  MY answer is:  command!

In view of what you said in your last post what our beloved Peter said is most appropriate now:  "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts:  and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"  I Pet.3:15.
God bless you in your search, duval

 Hi duval , and I  have to cut in answer you .

 When God commanded Noah to build an Ark , that was only given to Noah !!

 Lets fast forward and look at what Matt 5 says and will you agree ??

 In verse 27 , " that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her , committed Adultery , do you believe it ??

 In verse 29 , if thy  Right offend thee , pluck it out , and is this for today at this point in time ??

 In verse 30 , the same for thy right hand , just cut it off , an is this true for today ??

 And in verse 20 , if your righteousness  EXCEED  of the scribes and Pharisees , YE SHALL IN  NO CASE  ENTER  THE kINGDOM  OF  HEAVEN !!!

 And here I thought we  HAVE  THE  RIGHTEOUSNESS  OF   CHRIST  

 Are there 2  Righteousness ??

 What is the  time line for the Kingdom of Heaven

Hi Dan

No the little yellow face IS NOT mine.  I don't know how to  transfer it to my posts.  Only think I can think of is that about that time I dropped my mouse and lots of things got muddled on the screen so maybe by accident it appeared. All I know!

What I do know is that John 14,15 and 16 spoken only for the Apostles and that John 17 is realliy the Lord's prayer.  Did I leave out chapter 13?, yes, I should have included it above.

God bless you- - - duval

 Hi duval , and the Gospels are part of the  OT or Old Covenant !!!

Yes, the body of Christ definitely has a covenant.

duval

 Hi duval  , just love your response , so where is a verse that Contradicts a positive verse in Eph 2:12 , that the Gentiles where strangers from the  COVENANTS  of promise .  It looks like you are out of gas !!!   dan p

Hello Dan

Peter said "some" of Pauls writings are "hard" to be understood, NOT ALL!  Its uninspired man going around preaching about "kingdom saints" and "grace saints" etc; etc, terms never used in God's holy word that causes division and atheists to laugh.

I say the "unlearned". "unstable", who "twist" or "wrest" s cripture to their own "destruction" are those who preach such things as "kingdom saints" as opposed to "grace saints", etccccccc.  Further, can you please tell me when and where Paul changed from a "kingdom" to a "grace" saint? 

 Hi duval , and even some good dispensationalist  will not answer , nor can answer that question , because it  NEVER happened , that's why !!

 In Rev 5:8 the ones saved and died in the Tribulation through the preaching of the Gospel of the Kingdom  ( MATT 24:13-14   )  are called Saints !!

 In  1 Cor 1:2  we are  Called/Chosen/Elected  to be saints by the Preaching of the Gospel of the Grace of God

 dan p

Hello Dan

Yes indeed I do believe Jn.20:23,  and I do with ALL my heart!, and yes indeed I do drink Kool=Aid, and my favorite flavar is cherry?  More questions?

 Hi duval , and I believe in John 20:23 and the  CONTEXT  is jewish by verse 19 .

 Is this for you?

All this stuffing about differeces between a "kingdom saint" and a "grace saint" is just that, false teaching stuffing.  When Paul was told to be baptized in Acts 22:16 was he responding as a kingdom or grace saint?  No wonder the atheists laugh!!!

God bless,
duval

 Hi duval and let me tell you why Atheists laugh as you say .

 In 1 Cor 2:14 , But the  NATURAL man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God , for they are  FOOLISHNESS  unto him ,   NEITHER   can he know them , because they they are  SPIRITUALLY  DISCERNED .

  Now let see what 2 Peter 3:15-16 saiys to those who are not Pauline .

 In verse 15 , Peter calls Paul beloved also accordingto the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you and I believe that it is the book of Hebrews .

 Then in verse 16 Peter says that the things that Paul writes are  HARD TO UNDERSTAND  .

  Which they that are  Unlearned !

  Which are Unstable !!

 Twist or  Wrest the scripture unto their own  Destruction .

 If you understood the  IMPLICATION  , of  when he Paul was a Kingdom saint and when he then changed to a Grace saint  and your answer shows that you do not understand what I have written .

 We all have the right to be wrong , the best to you , dan p

 

Hi Dan

I don't concur with that conclusion.  Matt.28:19-20 was given to the apostles as well as other disciples.  II Cor.5:20 to the apostles alone, they are the ambassadors, not we.

God bless, duval

Hi duval , and you do not believe the witness of the Holy Spirit in John 20: 23 that Jesus gave the Apostles the right to remit sins

 What kind of coolaid  have you been drinking . just kidding , but it does look BAD !!!

 So , how did they REMIT  sins  , it was by Baptism , how simple !!

After muddying the waters with the new question about the 144,000, I'll answer the original question.

Since Paul introduced the Grace Gospel (and referred to it as "his" Gospel), he must have been saved by the Kingdom Gospel. In other words, he immediately recognized Christ as the Messiah.

It is equally obvious, however, that he considered his future home to be in Heaven, as do those who receive the Grace Gospel.

 Hi BillyShope , and I disagree with the Acts 28 position in many ways and this is one instance .

 Though I agree on some points , here , when any one says that Paul was saved under the Gospel of the Kingdom , they never produce any verses or verse .

 All agree that something  HAPPENED in Acts 9:6 , but all do not agree on how Paul was saved !!

 In verse 6 , what gospel did Jesus preach to Saul

 I can say that it was not the Gospel of the Kingdom !!!

 And the explanation is in verse 6 and in 1 Cor 12:3 , yes it is  !!!

 Rom 1:1  and  1 Tim 1:15 and 16  and  1 Cor 15:8  attest to that conclusion .

 And  A question that comes up ,   IF  Saul was saved under the Kingdom program  where is Paul  , with a verse  , where is Paul  TRANSFERRED  FROM BEING  A  KINGDOM  SAINT  to being  A  GRACE  SAINT


 Here is another question , if he was a Kingdom saint  , where is Saul/Paul  baptized ??   They never have produced a verse yet and I have posted this same question on various forums ,  dan p

Hi Dan

If careful  search of scripture is made it will be seen that present sins are forgiven conditionally.  There is the word "if" there.  Little, but a mighty big word.  I have yet to read anywhere in the Bible where "future" sins are forgiven now, presently, at this time.  If you know of such a passage please share it with me.

God bless you as you study,
duval

 Hi duval , and covenants are Conditional and Unconditional , but in grace we are forgiven  ALL  TRESPASSES , ALL , ALL , ALL !!   Col 2:13-14 .

 In Col 2:14 , it says "  and  TOOK "   it out of the way " .

 The Greek verb  AIRO  which means n " TOOK  "   is in the Perfect Tense  ,  Active  Voice  ,  and in Indicative  Mood .

 The perfect tense means  Past  Action with Continuing Results  .

  And  good example to show the Perfect Tense is in John 19:30 , where Jesus said  " it is finished  "   which means that His  death on the cross  is in the Past Action  in dying for  SINS  and the Cotinuing Results are always in the Present as Christ keeps on saving people and will never have to die again or go back on a cross to die again .

 The Active Voice means that He did the dying .

 The Indicative Mood , means that what He said in John 19:30 is a  FACT .

 And the rest of the verse in 14 , He  NAILED  TO THE  CROSS ,  and the is your proof , dan p

Hi Dan P

I do not understand it to mean there is more than one gospel  that is certified.  Names are important and they mean something and so with the church from above.  Most names in the NT for the church will break down into the name of Christ which is the name above all.  Most frequently the word (in our English) used is "church" and Jesus said He would build His.

God bless,
duval

 Hi duval , and the Matt 16:18 is for Israel and has nothing to do with what Paul calls the Body of Christ .

 Both are called  Assemblies and one is Dispensational and the other is for the Kingdom of Heaven .

Hi Dan

The "rapture" is something else I've never read read in the scripture.

duval

 Hi duval , and it is found in 1 Cor 15:51-58 .

 In  1 Thess 4:13:18 .

 In 2  Thess 2:1-2

 In  Gal 1:4

 A nd these are the main ones but there are other proofs and the correct word is not Rapture , but DEPARTURE  , in  2 Thess 2:3  , for falling away .

Hi Dan

It remains true that Paul was speaking of one one gospel in Gal.1:6-12  With the definite article "the"before the word "gospel" WHAT does that suggest? One or many?   I say one.

Blessed assurance,
duval

 Hi duval  , and in Greek it is called the ARTICLE   for the definite article it is in English not Greek .

 The Greek  ARTICLE  "  THE  "   points to a  SPECIFIC  gospel and it is the  Gospel of the  Un-circumcision , aslo called the Dispensation of the grace of God ,  my gospel ,  the gospel of God , gospe3l of Christ  , gospel of peace  , gospel of H