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1  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Curious/Hope for Conversation on: December 14, 2003, 01:21:36 AM
*claps with much enthusiasm*

That was one of the most spiritual speeches I have heard in a long time, or maybe you sounded like a preacher, I'm not sure.

Ok, you cleared up alot of misconception, I feel guilty becuase I didn't think about the different sects of Christ and the Bible. Just it as a whole and all the negativity as a whole, your saying the "true" christians were not those who force converted and ignored the bible.

And I understand how you feel about "converting" or sharing your new found faith, I felt the same way when I met the Dauer, who got me into Buddhism, but I was always let to beleive that converting others to your own religion was a sin, that no matter how rightous the teachings, it only provokes short tempered rebellion toward it. I still beleive you should lay it all out on a table, make it very obvious to pilgrims, and let them pick it to their will, while you guide them. I successfully made two buddhist friends (literally) and I also converted them to the philosophy of videogames Wink

Anyway, I didn't take into account that their was contraversy between sects of christianity. I should have.

You didn't cover everything really, I'm still curious to know how you feel about old legends and stories, and how flexible they are. Also what you think about what christmas is today.

And Off-Topic

- You said you have Native American in you, what Tribe?

- You said you also looked into Buddhism, how did that work out?
2  Theology / Apologetics / Curious/Hope for Conversation on: December 13, 2003, 06:15:00 PM
First of all: I would like to say that I'm not bad-mouthing christians, I know christianity means well, has exceptional philosophy and contributes to more charity work than most other faiths, in this post I am simply pointing out anything that would cause a person to be skeptical of christian righteousness, I am curious and eager to hear the chirstian side of things.

Second to say:

- I am Native American (Navajo/Cherokee)
- I follow the Buddhist Faith (American/Theravada)
- I study World History (Mainly Wars/Religion/Politics)

My background, faith and hobbies are a good combination to make me distrust christians, maybe even hate them, But I have patience and peace, I don't even hate Nazi's.

Plus I study Psychology, so I never blame anything on the person, just the environment.

Third to ask: Now for the questions, I don't wish to offend or debate, just a friendly conversation.

Why do christians deny the past?

If I discover that Buddhism did cause wars, and some were unenlightened to the point of evil, I wouldn't deny it, infact I'm sure it's true, we are all human. None of you can deny that christianity probably has the most corrupt and dishonorable past: beleifs that caused suffering to others, A historical massacre with a kill count higher than the holocaust and a time period where the church was corrupt and didn't follow the bible. Why, instead of justifying by apologizing or righting such wrongs, do they deny it? It's like ignoring a dusty attic that anyone can climb up to see.

Why do they demand and convert?

It's a common sin to try and convert others into your way of thinking, and it's less appealing to demand time and money, and it's also not convincing to demand beleif when no test is offered.

What happened to Christmas?

This is a phenomenon that totally flew over my head, I know the meaning of Christmas is the Joy of giving and the celebration of the birth of Christ, how it became so commerical, inaccurate, decorative and popular among non-christians is beyond me.

Why not modernize?

It's impossible to beleive things like evolution when you still beleive in Adam and Eve, well I think you can be a beleiver in both if you just admit that stories and legends can be inaccurate and outdated, but still have true philosophy and message.

So why are you Christian?

The two most common answers I get are becuase of family, and it saved me from drugs/crime/a life of dishonor

Those are perfectly understandable and agreeable, family is very intolerant, and morals are easier when they come in a named practice.

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Now anything I said could be totally wrong, misinformed, or offensive. But that was not my intention at all. I simply ask for a christian response.

And I apologize if it is against the rules for a non-christian to post, they were a little vague when it mentioned other religions and life-stlyes.

Oh yes, and I do beleive that Jesus Christ was a very imporatant and rightous person, I'm just not sure he was the mesiah

I'm not an Athiest, I'm agnostic, so I don't deny, I just stay nuetral until prove is given.
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