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Title: Bush is a liberal
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 25, 2004, 08:48:42 PM
He funds abortion, stem cell research, foreign adventures, etc. It's not to say the Dems are better, because they are worse, it's just that the difference is in degree, not in principle.

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On the campaign trail, President Bush professed to be “pro-life”, but with exceptions – he believes abortion to be justified in cases of rape and incest., The New York Times reported, “It was the same tempered language that George W. Bush typically uses to discuss abortion, which he opposes except in cases of rape, incest or risk to a pregnant woman's life.” As Alan Keyes pointed out in the Presidential debates and in various speeches, such pro-life exceptions that allow the innocent to be killed in some circumstances disqualify President Bush from being pro-life at all. If President Bush would justify the killing of one innocent person under his jurisdiction, he is disqualified from being a good person, much less a good leader. Having a rapist for a dad is not a capital crime, and for President Bush to state that innocent children can justly be killed because of the tragic circumstances of their conception reveals that he doesn’t comprehend the basic principle of the inalienable, inviolable, God-given right to life acknowledged in our nation’s founding documents.

http://www.ohiocp.org/whynotbush.php

I think it's a sin to support either candidate.


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Symphony on October 25, 2004, 10:10:16 PM

Yep, it's messy no matter how you slice it.

But Bush did answer very well the homosexuality thing - I think, last year, when grilled on it repeatedly.  His reply began with, "We're all sinners...", thus intimating what followed, and that homo'y is a sin, and the only way the opposition responded to that, that I know of, was either to just get mad, or ignore that part of his response altogether.  

I thought he did very well on that.


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 25, 2004, 10:27:45 PM
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Yep, it's messy no matter how you slice it.

I see this just the same.


Title: Bush is a liberal
Post by: Brother Love on October 26, 2004, 04:56:51 AM
BUSH All The WAy






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Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 26, 2004, 08:44:56 AM
Another thoughtful post from Brother Love.


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 26, 2004, 09:13:15 AM
I'm still shocked at how Bush's daughters mocked people who believe sex is only proper between married couples at the RNC. But I guess their speechwritters wanted to show that it's "cool" to be conservative.

I understand at least Jenna Bush spends much of her time wiping vomit off her chin after binging at nightclubs.


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Bronzesnake on October 26, 2004, 09:30:06 AM
I'm still shocked at how Bush's daughters mocked people who believe sex is only proper between married couples at the RNC. But I guess their speechwritters wanted to show that it's "cool" to be conservative.

I understand at least Jenna Bush spends much of her time wiping vomit off her chin after binging at nightclubs.

 That's funny!!

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Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 26, 2004, 09:34:52 AM
Did you listen to their speech at the Republican National Convention? What did you think of their Sex and the City joke?


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 26, 2004, 09:39:41 AM
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It's great to be here. We love Arnold. Isn't he awesome? Thanks to him, if one of us ever decides to marry a Democrat, nobody can complain. Except maybe our Grandmother, Barbara. And, if she didn't like it, we would definitely hear about it. We already know she doesn't like some of our clothes, or music, or most of the TV shows we watch. Ganny, we love you dearly, but you're just not very hip. She thinks Sex in the City is something married people do, but never talk about. ..."


I have a teenaged daughter, and I can't believe she'd say that to my mom.

I guess when you give money to people who work doing stem cell research, traditional child discipline isn't important to you.


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Allinall on October 26, 2004, 09:46:08 AM
He funds abortion, stem cell research, foreign adventures, etc. It's not to say the Dems are better, because they are worse, it's just that the difference is in degree, not in principle.

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On the campaign trail, President Bush professed to be “pro-life”, but with exceptions – he believes abortion to be justified in cases of rape and incest., The New York Times reported, “It was the same tempered language that George W. Bush typically uses to discuss abortion, which he opposes except in cases of rape, incest or risk to a pregnant woman's life.” As Alan Keyes pointed out in the Presidential debates and in various speeches, such pro-life exceptions that allow the innocent to be killed in some circumstances disqualify President Bush from being pro-life at all. If President Bush would justify the killing of one innocent person under his jurisdiction, he is disqualified from being a good person, much less a good leader. Having a rapist for a dad is not a capital crime, and for President Bush to state that innocent children can justly be killed because of the tragic circumstances of their conception reveals that he doesn’t comprehend the basic principle of the inalienable, inviolable, God-given right to life acknowledged in our nation’s founding documents.

http://www.ohiocp.org/whynotbush.php

I think it's a sin to support either candidate.


"LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE..."


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 26, 2004, 09:49:35 AM
I was just comparing Bush's daughters to Kerry's daughters, who are said to be studious and serious. Could Bush qualify as an Elder in the church that you go to with kid's like his?


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Allinall on October 26, 2004, 10:05:21 AM
I was just comparing Bush's daughters to Kerry's daughters, who are said to be studious and serious. Could Bush qualify as an Elder in the church that you go to with kid's like his?

Nope.  But then he'd have to have been called to be the elder/bishop/pastor role to begin with.  I'm not sure I'd even qualify him to be a deacon.  But let's consider this:

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The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

1 Timothy 3:1-7

Since we're talking about children, answer this question: is Bush keeping his children submissive?  Not is he keeping them right before God.  That is between them and God, and yes, he will answer before God on that point.  My answer is yes.  His children, who obviously don't have the same morality as their father, are doing what?  Supporting him in his views, and campaigning on his behalf.  They are taking their own views and submitting them to their father's views.  THAT[/b] speaks highly in my book.  Do I agree with his apparent philosophy of letting his children do their own thing rather than teaching them, and forcing them to do the right thing?  No.  But then I'm not going to answer to God for how he's raising his kids.  Does he do it right?  Do you?  Have you ever failed in any area of child rearing?  Again, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Could he be an elder?  No. But he's not running for elder is he?


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 26, 2004, 10:58:22 AM
That was a thoughtful post, and I agree with everything except the last sentence. The most powerful man in the world should have at least the qualifications of a deacon.


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Allinall on October 26, 2004, 12:05:08 PM
That was a thoughtful post, and I agree with everything except the last sentence. The most powerful man in the world should have at least the qualifications of a deacon.

Thanks!  But I have to disagree.  We aren't dealing with the body of Christ.  We're dealing with the nation, many of whom are not a part of that body.  I would expect the best from him where he a part of my local church, with the understanding that his position doesn't allow him the opportunity of service that it does other men.  And I would contend that I have yet to see any presidential candidate that would qualify.


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: nChrist on October 26, 2004, 12:41:53 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

George W. Bush - A liberal???   ???   ???
What a load of nonsense!

I wonder if we have a troll with us.

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Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: 2nd Timothy on October 26, 2004, 05:50:42 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

George W. Bush - A liberal???   ???   ???
What a load of nonsense!

I wonder if we have a troll with us.

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Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 26, 2004, 05:56:02 PM
All these wise people who can see into other people's hearts, and have such meaningful comments...


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: sincereheart on October 26, 2004, 06:27:39 PM
All these wise people who can see into other people's hearts, and have such meaningful comments...

ROFL! You mean, by saying things like:
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Theology / Debate / Re:Rational For Iraq War   on: October 22, 2004, 12:54:47 PM  
It would seem that sincereheart thinks that refurbishing Mosques and giving American money to foreigners is a valid justification for going to war.

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Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Election 2004!   on: October 22, 2004, 02:17:07 PM  
Some of you seem to be bordering on idol worship when it comes to Bush.

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Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Election 2004!   on: October 22, 2004, 02:29:43 PM  
It's ashame, because certain people have an ugly habit of making statements and then running away,

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Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Election 2004!   on: October 22, 2004, 02:52:55 PM  
I place of a thoughtful response, you delete my posts?

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Theology / Debate / Re:what's wrong with voting Kerry?   on: October 22, 2004, 02:55:21 PM  
I can't answer you, because my posts and topic are being deleted. Blind leaders of the blind.

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Theology / Debate / Re:Rational For Iraq War   on: October 23, 2004, 08:30:15 AM  
This is a typical appeal to under educated, easily led people.

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Theology / Debate / Re:Rational For Iraq War   on: October 23, 2004, 12:20:19 PM
You, on the other hand, are brainwashed into thinking that the "Bush Doctrine" of preemption has anything in common with American history or priciples.

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Theology / General Theology / Re:Sabbath   on: October 23, 2004, 06:43:40 PM  
You said "two thumbs down", but from what I've read from you, I doubt you even understood the post. The person how claims to be a pastor suprises me though. I hope he will explain what his objections are rather than running away.

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Theology / Debate / Re:Rational For Iraq War   on: October 24, 2004, 05:08:55 AM
Neither of you would have been for this war if you hadn't been manipulated into supporting it.

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Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Election 2004!   on: Today at 11:04:57am  
You make God the author of sin. You say, in effect, that it doesn't matter what Bush does since God is in control. Bad theology and bad logic.



Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 26, 2004, 06:35:09 PM
I have explained the two quotes about post deletion twice, and said I was mistaken. The others are fair statements in my opinion.

Now, please take one of those statement and clearly show how they differ from orthodox Christianity.



Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: sincereheart on October 26, 2004, 06:42:49 PM
I have explained the two quotes about post deletion twice, and said I was mistaken. The others are fair statements in my opinion.

Now, please take one of those statement and clearly show how they differ from orthodox Christianity.


They may be 'fair' statements in YOUR estimation - but they shore nuff appear as if you can read minds and see into people's hearts! And you may think the comments were 'meaningful' but you may be wrong again. Yes, you admitted you were wrong on the posts deletion. But you were obnoxiously rude when you thought you were right. Admitting the obvious wasn't much of a concession....


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 26, 2004, 06:47:55 PM
I thought we were talking about false teaching?


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: nChrist on October 26, 2004, 07:35:30 PM
I thought we were talking about false teaching?

Tim Vaughan,

I think that most of the forum is talking about you being obnoxiously rude and being a troll. It's been awhile since one person has been so rude to so many people in such a short period of time.

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You might want to read the forum rules again. Pay particular attention to the disruptive posts area. We don't have to put up with your rudeness and antagonizing the members of Christians Unite. Please do consider this to be a formal warning.

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Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Symphony on October 28, 2004, 10:36:58 AM


  Did we lose TimV??


       ???


  Maybe he was just having a bad day.


       :-[


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Kalthzar on October 28, 2004, 11:40:21 AM
day? week more like  >:(


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: nChrist on October 28, 2004, 03:36:21 PM


  Did we lose TimV??


       ???


  Maybe he was just having a bad day.


       :-[

Brother, after 4 warnings and resulting threats from him, he was banned.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Allinall on October 28, 2004, 03:56:31 PM


  Did we lose TimV??


       ???


  Maybe he was just having a bad day.


       :-[

Brother, after 4 warnings and resulting threats from him, he was banned.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Sorta had a feelin' that one was comin'.  Keep up the good work Brother!


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Kalthzar on October 28, 2004, 04:54:24 PM
ditto  ;)


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: david87 on February 23, 2005, 12:24:33 AM
Bush is the better of the 2 evils and its not a sin to vote for a president.Heres a quote from the bible.





                    Romans 13:1
[ Submission to the Authorities ] Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.  ;D


Title: Re:Bush is a liberal
Post by: Reba on February 23, 2005, 12:50:59 AM
Bush is liberal he has been correctly compaired to JFK.

says  Reba who is far right of RUSH  :P