Hello Left Coast,

I was out of town on the business of giving away all that I own so I can be free to follow the Lord.  I'm afraid my friends will try to lock me up because of it so I didn't really mention the Lord.  It's about the Lord, but it's also about I'm tired of dragging all that stuff around.  The first time I moved I gave up everything because I get so tired of people being slaves to their stuff.  They're slaves to getting stuff and keeping stuff.  I promised myself I would never again collect stuff.  Five years later I have amassed massive amounts of stuff again.  I'm trying to get rid of it.  Sadly, it's in another state so I didn't have time to sell it, my job is here and I took off two days to go take care of it.  Instead, I gave it away in hopes and massive prayers that some good use will be put to it.  Now I'm exhausted.

Hi Candice

Before I was ever married, I used to move a lot. One of the benefits of moving a lot is getting rid of stuff. I know what you are talking about.
It’s been over 20 years since I was able to dump things by moving. I have quite a collection.
I don’t find I am so attached to anything that it interferes with following the Lord.
My parents both died about 10 years ago, I ended up with a significant amount of their stuff on top of my own.
My mother was a very talented glass artist, I inherited some nice pieces of art. I have 4 children, they are not really children anymore, 10 years ago they were.
Glass + Children = Broken glass. Whenever something got broken I did find myself wondering why it hurt so much. It was just a material thing, but with memories attached.
If your possessions get in the way of your relationship with Christ then I can see the advantage of eliminating them.

Anyway, I'm not claiming to be an expert on Greek.  I'm just claiming to know that some translations can be laughable if they are translated word per word.  Especially when the concept that develops out of the translation is laughable.  And even more especially when there's something to be gained by the mis-translation--then it's not so much laughable as much as possibly evil.

While it is true that the translations can have errors, I don’t believe it was done because of evil intent.
We have an imperfect understanding of Gods word. The translators do the best they can, but there will be errors in translation.

1 Corinthians 13:9  For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

As others look at the translations they often work to correct the errors, more often than not I think they screw it up more.
As more and more people try to attack the KJV I have found it holds up very well. It was the first bible to be available to the masses, thanks to the printing press.
The Gutenberg bible was the first bible to be printed on the printing press, but it cost the equivalent of 3 years wages for the common man.
I believe God was very much involved with the printing of the KJV because it would become so readily available to the masses.
Scholars, with good and faithful hearts, have looked at these verses concerning the roles of women. They come to the same conclusion, the translation is accurate and faithful to the manuscripts.
Earlier when I showed how sabbatwn was mistranslated (reply 36) I did not come to that conclusion on my own. I learned it from the work of scholars, that studied this in great depth. Fortunately we have the tools to check out their conclusion.  

I'll just go with laughable.  If a person just went with the translation the way those scriptures translate then it would be boiled down to women must trust in men.  The Bible tells us that Wicked are those who trust in men.

Why do you hate men so much?
Where do you find this?
We are not to trust in the wisdom of man, we are to trust in God. This means man, as in men AND women. There are plenty of Jezebels out there.
Many trust in the works of scientists, male AND female, instead of trusting in the word of God.  

 

Also, how can you explain the female prophets and the female judges of old if it was against God's will for women to teach.  And how do you explain away the female leaders of churches in Paul's day?  

We were talking about those verses relating to the woman’s roll in the church. When people are assembled together to hear the word of God.
Women do have the responsibility to teach the children and the older women are to teach the younger women.

Titus 2:3  The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus 2:4  That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

You seem to want to teach women to hate men.

And then when you come to think about it, there are so many interpretations of what "church" actually is.  But if the "church" is the body of Christ, like I believe it to be, then the interpretation of those scriptures is saying that women can't be leaders in the body of Christ and women can't be teachers in the body of Christ.  That's laughable.  Hence, there is evidence that the interpretation is correct EVEN if it is word per word interpretation, the concept is incorrect based on the rest of the Bible.

There are two churches.
Where we assemble together on this earth it is a church. These assemblies are made up of believers and nonbelievers. 1 Timothy and 1 Corinthians 14 is talking about these assemblies. God gives us the guidelines to follow.
I believe that one of the signs we are close to the end is shown by how few churches follow Gods guidelines. Today we not only have divorced, gay, and never married men running the churches. We have women and even lesbian ministers.
The other church is Gods divine church. It is made up of all true believers. As you correctly noted it is the body of Christ.
The true believers are defined as being the bride of Christ.

Revelation 21:9  And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.

In Gods Spiritual Church ALL believers both male and female are considered to be the wife.
So now we take on the spiritual roll of the woman, are you going to tell Jesus, your husband, what to do?
I will happily learn from God in silence, asking my husband (Jesus) in private.

I really don't want to argue.  I'm just happy to be able to fellowship with fellow beleivers.  I feel utterly sick because I had to spend a whole weekend with folks that don't value the things that I value and feel that my ideas are unaceptable.  At least among Christians we can expect the confession that things should be a certain way.  Even if us Christians don't live up to our ideals, at least we have ideals.  I had to sit and listen to someone tell me that humans are animals and they will follow their animal desires and all that stupid stuff.  I can only take so much of it and that's when I'm glad to be back in the Christian chat room where we argue about petty things--at least they seem to be because the important thing is that Christ died for our sins and we agree on that.

Peace.

I agree, Christ died to pay for my sins.
We have strayed off topic a lot. It does belong in the thread started by His_child. Unfortunately I really will be limited in what I can contribute to the forums, and did not want to get on another thread.
I felt I needed to reply to you because I am concerned about your attitude toward men. I see a lot of animosity in your words.
Some would think I would have grounds to be angry toward women, but I take responsibility for my choices.
As I look back on my life I find that many of the women I came closest to had the same dysfunction.
There were many wonderful women but for some reason I didn’t stay with them. I am a rescuer, and it has gotten me women with problems.
Now I am divorced, and yet by Gods word still attached. I no longer date, as my wife still lives. Knowing my choices, I hope she lives a long time.  

John  

I'm not Jewish.  I referred to kosher since you were mocking me.  Here's a widely known fact:  Jesus was Jewish.  I would bet everything I have that Jesus didn't get up in the morning and eat a ham and cheese omlette with a side of bacon.  You think after He rose again, any of that changed?

Anyway, I am NOT judging anyone, and I never will.  It was this post judging SDA's for not eating pork.  What you do is between you and God.

What I choose to do is to try to understand the entire Bible and try to treat my body as a temple.  This means eating right, not smoking, not drinking, etc.

I am sorry you thought I was mocking you, that was not my intent. I asked a serious question.

What is wrong with pork?
Would you eat catfish, lobster?
Ostrich?

These are all unclean meats.
I have talked to other 7th day worshipers, and they try to make a connection between the unclean meats and health. I even had one explain to me that the nitrites and nitrates in pork was what made them unhealthy. Of course this is a bogus excuse since these are recent additives to pork. I suggested he buy nitrate and hormone free, like I do. Ostrich is a very healthy meat to eat. The biggest health risk with lobster is the butter.
I think you are a little smarter than that, but I wanted to know why you felt pork was not OK to eat. Is it for health reasons only, and do you feel that is what God was saying? Or do you do it for ritual reasons?
It is not one of the 10 commandments, so why do you pick and choose which rules to follow and which to not follow.
If you are not eating pork because you are being obedient to God concerning unclean meats then why aren’t you being obedient to God by sacrificing animals and going to Jerusalem yearly?
Of course Jesus was Jewish, and the laws of unclean meats and the Sabbath law were directed to the Jews.
Did they change after He rose? YES!
As I pointed out in reply #36 God did indeed change the Sabbath day. It is found in the original manuscripts, and at least 2 translations get it right.
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From Young’s Literal Translation:

Matthew 28:1 ¶ And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,
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The body is Christ, a body casts a shadow.

Colossians 2:16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Colossians 2:17  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Did the commandment concerning unclean meat change? YES!
It was also a shadow pointing to the work done by Christ.
After Jesus was resurrected the nation of Israel was no longer Gods chosen people. The gospel was made available to all mankind. This is why the shadow of unclean meats was removed in Acts 10 and 11.

Acts 10:13  And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Acts 10:14  But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Acts 10:15  And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

The unclean meats were a shadow pointing to unsaved man. Once Christ went to the cross the shadow was no longer necessary. Now we are washed clean in the blood of the lamb.

1 John 1:7  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

God showed Peter, by using the unclean meats, that we are to no longer separate the clean from the unclean.

Acts 10:28  And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

How is not eating pork, ostrich, or catfish not eating right?

[this is the will of him that sent me]

Heidi
In reply to Michael

Jesus says; "You did not choose me. i chose you."  I will repeat; "You did not choose me, i chose you." I will say it again; "You did not choose me, i chose you."

You can repeat it all you want but the verse does not exist - it is just another of your badly misquoted attempts to twist scripture to fit your doctrine.

Were you thinking of one of these verses?  

John 15:16  Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

John 15:19  If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Matthew 16:17  And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

John 6:37  All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 6:39  And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40  And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

James 1:16  Do not err, my beloved brethren.
James 1:17  Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
James 1:18  Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

John 6:44  No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:45  It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

John 6:65  And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

John 17:2  As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Philippians 1:29  For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Hebrews 12:2  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Ephesians 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

As a mixture of these verses and so many more teach, God must choose us and draw us. He looses none that He has chosen.

Unfortunately your knowledge of physics is not up tot he task in this analysis.

At the quantum level there are virtual pair production and anihilation processes going on all the time, where electron and positron pairs are formed and mutually destroy one another readily and repeatably and measurably from the void.

On a large scale there is postulated the existance of something labeled deSitter space which is the void from which the universe that formed from the big bang got its start.

So science does have a method of forming something out of nothing.

Please don't take this clarification as a support of the "truth" of the theory of evolution because I have explained before on this forum that science is not in the "truth" business.  Science is in the prediction business and the theory of evolution provides more predictive power than the creationist account - therefore it is more useable in controlling our environment than the creationist account even if it is not true and the creation account is.  Sceince doesn't care about true, it cares about creating theories that give us predicitive power to control our environment.

It still cannot come from ABSOLUTE nothingness.
Energy is substantial. It comes from something, the idea energy fluctuations can create matter establishes an energy source -- God.

[there is none that seeketh after God]

Bronzesnake,

From your article:
Who Will be Saved, According to the Word of God?
By Dr. Norman Geisler

The Bible says in essence, “seek and you will find.” That is, those who seek the light they have through nature, which is not sufficient for salvation, will get the light they need for salvation. Hebrews 11:6 says, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” Acts 10:35 adds, “But in every nation whoever fears God and works righteous-ness is accepted by Him” (NKJV). God has many ways to get the truth about salvation through Christ to those who seek him. He can send a missionary (Acts 10), a radio broad-cast, or a Bible (Ps. 119:130). Theoretically God could send a vision (Dan. 2, 7) or an angel (Rev. 14) though he no longer gives new revelation. But those who turn their back on the light they have (through nature) and find themselves lost in darkness have no one to blame.

The bible says seek and you will find --- IF you seek him with ALL your heart.

Jeremiah 29:13  And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

The problem is the heart is totally corrupt, to the point that it will deceive us.

Genesis 8:21  And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake; for the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Jeremiah 17:9  The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

But more clearly the bible says that NONE WILL SEEK HIM.
 
Romans 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

We can get on our knees and plead to God for understanding and mercy, but God is the one who gives understanding.

James 1:5  If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

1 John 5:20  And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Mark 4:11  And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mark 4:12  That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Or Not:

Matthew 13:11  He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Romans 11:8  (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Romans 11:9  And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Romans 11:10  Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

The bible says clearly no one can come to God unless God draws them, it is His work.

John 6:44  No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:65  And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
I am afraid I would have to disagree with Mr. Geisler. He hasn’t read his bible very carefully.  

L.C.

Do you really think that when babies die they go to hell?  

I'm digging...it's there I tells ya!

That’s what the bible says.
If they are not saved they will go to hell.
That is why it is so important to include even the tiniest babies in the hearing of the word.
I believe that God will save enormous numbers of babies in various ways.
Perhaps the crack addict mother will walk by a street corner evangelist, the baby will briefly hear the gospel and God will use that to save a baby that is to die soon.
These are words we don’t like to hear, or consider.
God is above man and we have to be careful not to make him in our image.
We see that sweet huggable baby, God sees the heart. The heart is corrupt from the very beginning.
Of my 4 children I had one really strong-willed baby. She was always trying to see what she could get away with.
I would look out the corner of my eye, she would slowly try to sneak up on something she wasn’t supposed to touch. She would look at me to see if I was watching, getting closer and closer. When she got too close all I had to do is standup, and she would run away. She knew right from wrong.  

[absolute]

Funny thing about physical matter it can’t come from a void.

Say's who?

It’s a simple fact.
Things with physical substance require building blocks.
Life itself, in the very simplest form, requires the division of a cell.
It is not possible for even an atom to come from absolute nothingness.

L.C.

 

How does a newborn infant choose?  
A toddler?  
A three year old?  
How does someone that has never heard of Christ choose?   For instance someone living in Bora Bora in the year 600.
We are in agreement that there is much evidence that God exists,  

 Children are not required to choose. When a child dies, he/she goes straight to Heaven. People throughout the entire world know about Jesus. If there is a rare instance where some have never heard the Word, they will be saved.

There are Biblical references to those questions, however, I am very tired at the moment. I will dig them up if you can't find them.

Bronzesnake.

Start Digging.

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We are estranged from God as soon as we are born:

Psalms 58:2  Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.
Psalms 58:3  The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Isaiah 48:8  Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb.

We sin as soon as we come out of the womb.
God also passes judgment on babies.

Deuteronomy 32:25  The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.
 
This is Gods judgment on Israel. But it is also speaking of Gods judgment on all mankind. Christ is the Rock of our salvation. God was angry because of the actions of Jeshurun found in verse fifteen:

Deuteronomy 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.

We see the beautiful giggly little baby; God sees the heart. And the heart is corrupt from birth.
The unborn haven’t sinned yet. But as soon as we come out of the womb we start thinking Me, Me, Me.
"Feed me. I'm mad. Change me. I'm selfish. I'm self centered."
The sad thing is so many churches today figure children are too young for the gospel, they shut their babies up in a nursery. Can't have those babies crying and disturbing the congregation.
Jesus said don't keep the children from me. Yet that is what so many do.

Matthew 19:13  Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
Matthew 19:14  But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Somehow God uses the word to save, it is His work.

Romans 10:17  So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Romans 12:3  For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

God saves even infants, John the Baptist was saved while still in the womb. True joy is salvation.

Luke 1:41  And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
Luke 1:44  For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

And Jeremiah was also saved while still in the womb.

Jeremiah 1:5  Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

The great commission is to go into the world and spread the gospel.
It isn't our job to convince people or save people, God does that.
If you have never heard you can’t believe. That is why we have missionaries, to get the word out.

Romans 10:14  How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Today yes many people have heard about Jesus. 1,500 years ago it was a different story.
If you can find scripture that says all children go to heaven, I would like to see it.
I have been asking the question for years, I have heard some creative answers, but nothing substantial.

Children are not required to choose. When a child dies, he/she goes straight to Heaven. People throughout the entire world know about Jesus. If there is a rare instance where some have never heard the Word, they will be saved.

Please dig I want to know your evidence, I want to know what scripture you are looking at.
John

Candace and Left Coast-
I'm enjoying reading what you have posted in this thread.
I really don't know that it has that much to do with SDAs (yes, I'm aware that Ellen White is a woman and the founder of the SDA religion.)
I have started a thread on women in leadership roles and I would love to hear input from both of you (as well as others) on your thoughts about women's roles in and out of the home and the church.
Thanks!

Yes, Ellen was what started the whole thing.  
I'm not too sure how much time I'll have in the next 2-3 weeks to contribute, I will be out of town on business.  

[there is no other interpretation.]

WOW, Candice
I don’t know you, so I could be misunderstanding the tone of your post, but it seems to me you might have a few male issues.
I hope not, that would tell me some one has not treated you well and that would be sad.
I really don’t have issues with women, I tend to establish close, friendly, relationships with women easier than I do with men.
I am not a sexist, I have been able to take care of myself since I went to college.

And sexist pigs use the "Husband of one wife" interpretation to prove that women can't be the leaders of a church because they like to have the house cleaned and supper cooked when they get home.  As a general rule, men like to be waited on hand and foot.  They like it so they're not getting in an uproar about how the Bible has been translated.  

That is a very sexist comment. I honestly don’t know of any man that wants to be waited on hand and foot. I am sure they are out there, but I don’t know them.
Maybe it is a regional thing.
I was a bachelor until I was 29 years old. I have always been very capable of taking care of myself. When I got married I had to back off and let her take care of me some. I wanted to cook, but she considered the kitchen her domain.
I even offered to cook a romantic meal, without kids, but she wouldn’t let me. I like to cook, and I believe I am a better cook than her. But I gave it up for her, not because I wanted to be waited on hand and foot.
“sexist pigs use the "Husband of one wife" interpretation”, there is no other interpretation.

From the NIV
1 Timothy 3:2  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
From the TNIV
1 Timothy 3:2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his
wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

I personally don’t care much for the NIV or the TNIV but not because WOMEN were involved in the translation.
Women such as:
Dr. Karen H. Jobes is associate professor of New Testament at Westmont College in Santa Barbara. She holds a PhD in Biblical Hermeneutics from Westminster Theological Seminary (Philadelphia). Among her publications are Invitation to the Septuagint (with Moisés Silva, Baker, 2000), and the NIV Application Commentary: Esther (Zondervan, 1999). She has been a member of the CBT since 1995.
http://www.tniv.info/story/cbtmembers.php

Why the sexist pig comment?
Why not just accept Gods word, came from God.
Being the husband of one wife rules me out also, because I am divorced. Is that somehow sexist?
 

I would like to point out that even in your translation of the word Husband the last option says it can be either male or female.  Of course the sexist pigs would want to cover that up because they're so busy feeling superior to at least some creature on the earth.

You say you are a professional translator and interpreter, doesn’t context play an important part. That is unless you are now going to claim God allows women to marry other women.
All sorts of people accept Jesus as their savior, unfortunately few accept Jesus as Lord.
When a person denies Gods commandments, and laws, then they are denying His Lordship.  
People really don’t like the Gospel, they desperately want to create their own kind of a gospel.
You keep making these accusations of sexism, but you have given NO support for your stand.  
Maybe it is just your pain, but you seem to be full of hate.

Since it was taught that in the Kingdom of heaven there is neither male nor female, then what you have to do is understand that something must have been intended on the scriptures that you quoted that imply that women have a different status in society then men do.  Or else you undo  Christ's work.

In the kingdom of heaven there is neither male or female because we are ALL the bride of Christ. Women do not have a lower position they have a glorified roll in Gods plan.
We are not in heaven yet. I do hope to see you there.    

Now if you want to say something and justify saying it, then using the exchange words for words system can take you places.  But if you are seeking the Truth, maybe you might want to consider Paul would either laugh or become angry at the way his words got mangled.  Of course, there's not been enough men in this world to really want to defend the truth enough to defend what Paul really meant to say.

How did you become such an expert to know these words were mangled?
How long have you studied the Greek, or who is your source? Where did you come to your understanding?
If you interpret what do the texts say in those languages? Is it significantly different?

Helper which was used to describe the Holy Spirit, and that word Helper that was used as Overseer with a helper.  All I know is that I wasn't going about studying to find out if this was true, I wasn't trying to prove anything either way.  Actually, it is with great fear and trembling that I've approached this topic because its so much different then many men.  In my  interest of how words are translated over time I noticed Helper was Holy Spirit and another time that same word Helper was also translated as "wife" and I kept on noting this same thing through out my studies and one day I said, "wow, there's a concept"

WHERE?
Where have you ever found helper and Holy Spirit coming from the same words?
Where?

I'm finding out though, that, there's quite a bit of men in the world that want a slave woman.  

I am so sorry for you.  

[God gave each of us free will to choose Him or to choose an eternity in Hell...We choose.]

 God gave each of us free will to choose Him or to choose an eternity in Hell...We choose.
 

How does a newborn infant choose?  
A toddler?  
A three year old?  
How does someone that has never heard of Christ choose?   For instance someone living in Bora Bora in the year 600.
We are in agreement that there is much evidence that God exists,   I don’t necessarily agree with your examples.

The Bible places the creation of plants (on the Third Day) before the creation of animals (on the Fifth and Sixth Days). Science is in agreement here. Fossil records demonstrate that plants appeared before animals, both in the sea and on the land.

Not enough time to create fossils, or to show plants came before man. For all intents and purposes man and plants were created at the same time, the same week.
One of my favorite examples relates to continental drift. The bible tells us that the earth was divided.

Genesis 10:25  And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan.

What scientists have described as a slow drifting apart was actually a ripping apart, now the movement of the continents is slowing down.

I was an Atheist once upon a time. A long. long time ago, but God lead me to truth.
Who can know what tool God can use to save?
 

tell me. what makes you beleive in god? there is no proof anywhere. I think its pretty stupid that people beleive in god just because their parents them it was true or a missionary told them it was true. the truth is you dont really know. the bible could just be a book of fiction. and you might never know. you could just go nowhere when you die. so, what makes you beleive?

i'm agnostic by the way

To say there is no proof anywhere is not true.
You may choose not to accept the proof, but it does exist.
There has to be something that began this whole physical world. Funny thing about physical matter it can’t come from a void.
On the other hand God is spirit, and not subject to the physical laws. Just because our limited brains can’t comprehend God doesn’t mean He doesn’t exist.
No one can truly know God unless God draws them first.

John 6:44  No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

My father was an agnostic, my mother did not discuss religion or go to church, yet they were better people than most “Christians” I have known.  
I had never met a missionary, unless they had an LDS tag on their chest, and I never saw them for much more than a second. “Not interested, bye.”
I proclaimed myself to be an Atheist, I felt I could prove God did not exist.  
Slowly God lead me to first understand God was possible.
Then God was likely.
Then God was real.
It took about 15 years for God to lead me to truth.
For some people it happens quickly.
Perhaps it took so long because I was always happy and content in my sins.
I am fortunate to have almost always found enjoyment in life. Even the bad times were short.  
For me real truth began with a prayer similar to:
God I don’t know what is true. Was Jesus a fake or was He God made into a man, I don’t know anything. Is truth in the bible or is it all lies. If the bible is true please show me the truth.
Then I would just read the bible. I didn’t read the headers at the top, I didn’t listen to commentaries, I didn’t go to church. I trusted that if there was a God -- He would show me.
I bounced around reading various books in no particular order. What I discovered was an amazing cohesiveness to the bible. Penned by several men over many centuries yet totally harmonious, without contradiction --- Amazing.  

[Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances]

If Christ cooked a fish BBQ for His Apostles after His crucifixion. Why do you Adventists not eat fish?
Hmmm?

Don't know what your source is, but a lot of Adventists do eat fish, along with other meat (the clean meats, not pork).  Being a vegitarian is just a personal decision a lot of SDA's make.  

Here is a good link:

http://en.bibleinfo.com/topics/topic.html?id=63

What is wrong with pork?
Would you eat catfish, lobster?
Ostrich?

I used pork as an example.
What do you mean whats wrong with pork?  Ever heard the term kosher?  

See Leviticus 11 if you are really concerned with clean and unlcean foods.

I didn't realize you were Jewish.
I'm a Christian.

Colossians 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Colossians 2:15  And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Colossians 2:16  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Colossians 2:17  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

I know the Jews do not recognize Christ but as a Christian I do, therefore the shadows are no longer to be observed.
These things were nailed to the cross.

You only eat Kosher?

Fruit Smoothies.
A little spendy though, even making them myself.
Water always fits the budget, and I like it.