Chuck Baldwin or Bob Barr

[Pro-Life77]

What do you think of Chuck Baldwin or Bob Barr ?

[David_james]

couldn't tell you, don't know them 

[HisDaughter]

couldn't tell you, don't know them 

Chuck Baldwin Captures Constitution Party Presidential Nomination!

 Largest 3rd Party Presidential Candidate To Challenge “Big Box” Parties

Kansas City, Mo. (April 26,2008) The Constitution Party chose a presidential candidate at a nominating convention held this weekend in Kansas City, MO. Former Constitution Party Vice Presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin was chosen by delegates from state affiliates of the third largest federally-recognized political party, based on voter registrations.

Baldwin, a pastor, writer and conservative talk show host won the nomination from a field of eight prospective nominees, including former U.N. Ambassador and Asst. Secretary of State in the Reagan administration, Dr. Alan Keyes.

Baldwin, who founded the Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida, addressed the Constitution Party delegates in a passionate speech that outlined his concern that elected officials from both the Republican and Democrat parties had abandoned the principles of limited government.

Baldwin decried “the bi-partisan complicity that has allowed the illegal, immoral, unconstitutional war that has resulted in the slaughter of four thousand American soldiers and untold innocent Iraqis”. Baldwin went on to point out “If elected, I will end the lunacy that sends Americans abroad to guard the borders of Iraq, while leaving our borders wide open, inviting illegals to plunder the wealth and good will of American citizens”. Baldwin’s remarks were interrupted by a number of thunderous standing ovations making it clear his message resonated with the party faithful.

Chuck Baldwin, a Constitution Party member for a number of years, promised, that if elected he would work to protect the lives of the unborn, abolish the IRS and the Federal Reserve, support home schooling, and “eviscerate” vast numbers of unconstitutional federal programs like the Department of Energy (“we have more than enough oil in Alaska”) and Social Security (“which is nothing more than socialism”). Baldwin promised to get “the U.S. out of the U.N. and the U.N. out of the U.S.”, to abolish the department of Homeland Security and to end foreign aid.

Constitution Party delegates chose Baldwin over Dr. Alan Keyes, by a vote of 384 to 126.

“Alan Keyes is a principled and remarkably gifted statesman, and we hope he chooses to join the Constitution Party and support our efforts; however, when all was said and done, the delegates were apparently persuaded that Chuck Baldwin was more aligned with our party’s platform especially on issues like the U.N., the Iraq war and foreign aid”, commented Constitution Party National Committee Chairman Jim Clymer.

Chuck Baldwin said his Washington “outsider” status would likely be considered a plus in this election, saying many “dissatisfied Americans have come to view political insiders as carriers of ‘big government disease’ ”. Baldwin vowed to honor his oath to uphold the Constitution. He acknowledged that the Christian principles of our Founding documents guaranteed liberty for people of all creeds, and “pledge(d) to cultivate a climate in D.C. which reins in government and reminds those in power they are bound by limits set in place by our Constitution.



Bob Barr, Civil Libertarian
The right wing of the ACLU


After entering the House of Representatives in 1995, Georgia Republican Bob Barr acquired a reputation as one of the most conservative members of Congress. It was Barr who in 1996 wrote the Defense of Marriage Act, which said states didn't have to recognize gay marriages performed in other states; it was Barr who protested when he learned the military allowed soldiers to practice Wicca. A former federal prosecutor, a firm social conservative, and a strong supporter of the War on Drugs, Barr doesn't fit most people's image of a civil libertarian.

But in his eight years in Congress (he failed to win re-election in 2002), Barr was one of Washington's loudest critics of the federal government's abuses of power, taking the lead in investigating the raid on Waco and in opposing Bill Clinton's efforts to undermine due process in terrorism cases. Since leaving Congress, Barr has taken an advisory post with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and started writing a column for Atlanta's alternative weekly Creative Loafing -- neither ordinarily a haven for Republicans. While many on the right have fallen behind the Bush administration even as it betrays their purported principles, Barr represents another set of conservatives' growing discomfort with the administration's erosion of individual liberty.



I do not know enough of either man to give you an opinion however anyone linked with the ACLU as in the case of Bob Barr in the above article would automatically be on my black list.
Grammyluv


 

[Soldier4Christ]

Bob Barr is another Ron Paul. He is full of conspiracy advocates. He blames the U.S. for 9/11 wanting to take all blame off islam and to leave islamist terrorists to do as they want in the world. Barr wants us to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan unconditionally and immediately. Yes, Bob Barr is also a very large advocate of the ACLU and as such is an advocate of all that is anti-Christian.

Chuck Baldwin also panders to the 9/11 conspiracy nuts wanting a 9/11 investigation to be reopened investigating into our own governments involvement in 9/11 for any involvement both before and after. He has also hinted at pulling our Troops out of all foreign territories and maintaining them only within our borders. This would be a very big mistake, it would allow islam to become stronger and hurt us in that it would only bring the war against islam to within our own borders.

[Soldier4Christ]

Conspiracy nuts latch on to small parties and small campains.
Because small parties and small campains need all the money and support they can get, so they don't tell nuts to get out.

Conspiracy nuts latch on to some of the small third party candidates because that candidate also supports those same ridiculous conspiracies. We don't need someone getting into office that doesn't have an inkling of what is truly going on.

I don't want to vote for a Republican because that could lead to a preemptive war with Iran.

As I told you in another one of your posts if it is a preemptive war then it is a war that will happen irregardless of who gets into office. That is exactly what the word preemptive means. Preemptive war (or a preemptive strike) is waged in an attempt to repel or defeat an inevitable offensive or invasion. As a Christian you should already know that a war with Iran is going to be inevitable and it won't matter who is in office at the time unless it is someone that is completely for Iran and aids them in going against Israel. In which that case the U.S. will still be destroyed. While there may be other good reasons to not vote Republican this is one that just doesn't cut it.

So, all I can do is vote for one of the 3rd party guys.

Naturally you can vote for whoever you want to. That is the beauty of the American process. You can even write in your own name if you wish.

[Soldier4Christ]

 

Yep, wars are not inevitable. We could have just allowed Hitler to continue torturing and killing off everyone that disagreed with him and his ideologies. We can just idly sit by while islamists take over the world, enslave, torture or kill us and our families because we refuse to bow down to their false god or simply because they don't like the way we look.

It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism - while the wolf remains of a different opinion.

Wars are inevitable as long as evil exists in this world and there are still good men that are willing to do what it takes to stop it. I agree that war is not always the answer nor should it ever be the first answer but unfortunately it all too often does come down to either war or evil reigning supreme.

[Soldier4Christ]

Hitler came to power because good men did nothing and allowed evil to reign. It had very little if anything to do with the economy. Hitler actually lost the elections in Germany in July 31, 1932. He came to his ultimate power through the the terror of his stormtroopers, also called brown shirts, that terrorized and strong armed the people into not speaking out against Hitler and his party.

As for the Islamists, they don't like Christian troops to be anywhere near the city of Mecca.

islamists don't like Christians to be anywhere on earth unless they are in complete submission to them. It is their beliefs based on the koran, that they will rule the entire world and this is their ultimate objective. islamists have given all sorts of reasons but the truth is that they don't like the western world because we have been a blockade in them meeting their objective of total domination.

[Soldier4Christ]

Are you saying that they all worship the same God?

[Pro-Life77]

I think yes,

Abraham had two sons.
Jews trace their roots to one son.
Muslims trace their roots to his other son.

[Soldier4Christ]

You are totally incorrect. muslims worship a false god, the prince of this world not the One True God. Their teachings even show this. The koran contradicts the Bible at almost every point being actually an opposite of it rather than coinciding with it. Yes they claim to be descendants of Ishmael but they have no proof of this at all. They also claim to have been in Jerusalem before the Jews were. Their koran teaches them to tell lies in order to achieve their goals and their lies are many.

[Soldier4Christ]

You don't need any book to pray to a false god either. Even the Hindu's pray to their many gods. muslims worship the god of the koran and that is a false god. Even Mohamed admitted that he was following a jinn (an evil spirit) and this is who he got his word from. muslims changed that to the angel Gabriel at a later date.

You are sounding more and more like someone that believes in universalism.

[Pro-Life77]

If you want to know for sure, you could ask God.

As for me, I believe that God is so loving and forgiving that one day hell will be empty,
and heaven will be full.

[Soldier4Christ]

Who do you say that Jesus Christ is? Is there more than one way to get into heaven?

We don't have to wait to ask God as God tells us the answer to these things in His word.

[Pro-Life77]

I say that He is the son of God.

As far as I know there is only one way to get into heaven,
love and serve God as Jesus did/does.

[Soldier4Christ]

You are close but not quite there yet. Jesus Christ is more than just the Son of God. He is also very God. There is but one way to get to heaven and that is through Him and nothing that we can do. It by faith in and through Jesus Christ.



Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh 14:7  If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8  Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?



Rom 1:16  For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the
power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew
first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17  For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith
to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Salvation, salvation from death under the law by God's perfect grace.

Rom 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh
after God.
Rom 3:12  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become
unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Rom 3:23  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 5:12  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and
death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have
sinned:

Rom 6:23  For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in
unrighteousness;

Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be
justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:27  Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of
works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9  Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be
saved from wrath through him.

Rom 2:4  Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance
and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee
to repentance?

Rom 3:22  Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus
Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no
difference:

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith
without the deeds of the law.

Rom 10:9  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the
dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 4:21  And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was
able also to perform.

Rom 4:24  But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe
on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Rom 5:1  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God
through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Rom 10:10  For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and
with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Rom 10:13  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.