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« on: February 01, 2007, 04:44:01 AM »

'Christian' bookstore features X-rated flicks
Columnist raises question of just what makes retailer biblical

When NewsWithViews.com writer Paul Proctor wrote in a new column that parents should make sure their kids are out of the room and the door is locked before going to a Christian Heritage Bookstore website, he was serious.

Because among the items featured at the "Christian Heritage Bookstore" along with 14-karat gold cross earrings and the like are the X-rated "Playboy: X Mates, Vol. 1 – BMX/Wakeboards," and an adult 4-pack of "classics" titled "Debbie Does Dallas," "Deep Throat," "Behind the Green Door," and "The Devil in Miss Jones."

Right there on the same page that quotes Psalms 119, verse 111, "Your testimonies I have taken as a heritage forever, for they are the rejoicing of my heart," is a listing for "Rated X – A Journey through Porn."

And it's only $12.99, a huge 13 percent discount from its regular price.

"Ever think you'd see that on a Christian website?" Proctor asks in his column. "That's right – 'Christian Heritage Bookstore.'"

The company lists its "Mission Statement" as: "To enable every church, ministry and Christian individual to open and operate a professional Christian online bookstore affordably and to help them succeed with superior customer service."

And its "Statement of Faith" follows those of many Christian organizations, starting with: "We believe the Bible is the inspired, infallible Word of God and is the final authority in all matters of our faith and practice," and continuing through: "We believe that salvation is by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ. We believe that the blood Jesus shed for us on the cross paid the full penalty for our sins and provides the sole basis for God's forgiveness."

And it advertises "The Mammoth Book of Dirty, Sick, X-Rated and Politically Incorrect Jokes," "The X-Rated Bible: An Irreverent Survey of Sex in the Scriptures," "The X-Rated Videotape Guide," and "A House of Decadence (X Rated)."

"Friends, we've got a serious problem in the online Christian bookstore industry. In fact, someone really needs to ask the question: Just what is a Christian Bookstore?" Proctor wrote.

"You would think that a Christian bookstore is a place where only biblically sound materials are sold. If you take the scriptures literally, like for instance: 'Abstain from all appearance of evil.' – 1st Thessalonians 4:22 – and in your heart, believe them to be the inspired and inerrant Word of God, then anything that contradicts it cannot legitimately be considered 'Christian.'

"Unfortunately, many bookstore owners today believe it is perfectly acceptable to call their online stores 'Christian' or imply that they are such, while offering for sale some of the most unchristian merchandise produced. How they justify it before their conscience, their customers and their Christ is beyond me," he continued.

"By calling their businesses 'Christian bookstores,' are they trying to convince us that all they sell is Christian books or that the people who work there are all Christians? Maybe they're just Christian-owned; or maybe it's a semantic game they're playing with us. Maybe they're actually operating a secular bookstore where only Christians come to shop. Is that it? Technically, any of these could be called 'Christian bookstores.' But, doesn't it seem at least a little deceptive when online bookstores represent themselves as being 'Christian' while continually offering the very same junk secular bookstores offer."

"Christian Heritage Bookstore" provided only an e-mail contact. It has a link to a group called NSE-National Sales Enterprises, and that lists a street location in Bemidji, Minn. However no telephone number is listed. The Bemidji Chamber of Commerce had never heard of the operation.

And a WND e-mail sent to customers@nsebusiness.com asking for a comment on the X-rated products on a "Christian" website did not generate a response. Its website notes that the "Christian Heritage Bookstore" is part of a family of companies that also includes "CyberMall Warehouse," "Health & Wellness ADVANTAGE," and "HOME Shopping Mall."

Proctor called it "silly" that a bookstore would hang a "Christian" sign on its webpage "and then offer the same worldly merchandise as all the other mainstream bookstores."

Other listings at "Christian Heritage Bookstore" are a "10K Yellow Gold Ichthus-Fish Pendant," "The Perfect 14K Yellow Gold Cross," "Taboo – The Original Adult Classic," and "Shock X Treme Vol 1:Snuff Video."

Proctor continued: "One of my best friends and associates from days gone by was a well-known tight wad. Everyone used to tease him unmercifully for it too. He was good-natured about it though. Well, one day he was caught with a water hose filling up one of those gigantic plastic bottles that sat atop a dispenser he had in the lunchroom of his business. It belonged to a drinking water delivery service that replaced his empties each month with full bottles - for a fee, of course. Well, when somebody asked him why he was filling that bottle up with plain old tap water, he replied with a sheepish grin: 'Ah, they won't know the difference.'"

"It makes me wonder if this could be the reason many owners and operators of so called 'Christian bookstores' secretly offer books and materials they know are unbiblical and spiritually dangerous to their unsuspecting customers - because they won't know the difference."

Proctor is a veteran of the country music industry and retired in the 1990s to dedicate himself to addressing important social issues from a biblical perspective.

At ChristianResearchService.com, which says one of its goals is to "alert and warn fellow Christians about spiritual deception outside and within the body of Christ," Christian Heritage Bookstore and its related companies have been given the "Shelves of Shame Award."

That organization also reported on some objectionable materials listed on the website for the Southern Baptist Convention, the Lifeway Christian Resources, although they dealt more with the fringe of theology rather than explicit sex. But the Research group noted that managers made changes in their stock lists when they were made aware of the concerns over their compliance with biblical teachings.

Earlier, Proctor had reported that LifeWay had removed more than a dozen books on yoga and Eastern Mysticism from its Internet catalogue after hearing concerns from Christian Research Service chief Bud Press.

Proctor also reported he'd found theologically objectionable publications being sold by the American Family Association.

    "Remember Peter Singer? He's that controversial fellow WorldNetDaily just wrote about in a September 14th article entitled: 'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're born.

    "The WND piece begins this way:

    "An internationally known Princeton 'bioethicist' and animal-rights activist says he'd kill disabled babies if it were in the 'best interests' of the family, because he sees no distinction in the child's life whether it is born or not, and the world already allows abortion."

    WorldNetDaily went on to report that, in a recent question and answer interview where Singer was asked if he would kill a disabled baby, he replied:

    "'Yes, if that was in the best interests of the baby and of the family as a whole. Many people find this shocking, yet they support a woman's right to have an abortion,' he said."

    "Well, if you would like to read more about Mr. Singer's family values, you can find a couple of his books for sale at AFA's American Family Resource Center," Proctor wrote at the time.

The AFA has responded by making changes in its product lists as well.

"Now before you lose your cool and fire off an indignant e-mail or letter to some editor, webmaster or religious leader, you need to know this: Many of them don't know what they're selling. That's the good news. The bad news is, some of them do," Proctor continued.

He suggested Christians be more diligent in researching the authors they purchase, and referred people to a master list compiled by Christian Research Service as a tool to begin.

"All that glitters is not gold, my friends! And so, it is imperative that each of us takes the time to find out just who and what we are buying, supporting and rewarding with our money before we bring their teachings into our hearts and homes because, as the scriptures repeatedly make clear, there are wolves among us," Proctor said.
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2007, 04:45:51 AM »

I am totally appalled at this yet not really surprised. Many so called Christian businesses seem to be going the way of the world. It looks like the "falling away" spoken of in the Bible is happening right now.

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2007, 11:49:41 AM »

I went to their page and did a quick search.....shocked utterly and amazed.

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"Now before you lose your cool and fire off an indignant e-mail or letter to some editor, webmaster or religious leader, you need to know this: Many of them don't know what they're selling. That's the good news. The bad news is, some of them do," Proctor continued.
What is wrong with this statement is that these leaders SHOULD know what they are selling.  There is no excuse for this.  None.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2007, 12:16:31 PM »

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I am totally appalled at this yet not really surprised. Many so called Christian businesses seem to be going the way of the world. It looks like the "falling away" spoken of in the Bible is happening right now
Brother I know it.  I worked for one that that happened in.  Is one reason why in a business plan I am working on there is a tithing program built into it.  I have mentioned before I am working on a business, and in this model right off the top is 10% for tithing.  There will be a participation model for churches and similar organizations may join in and partake of the tithe.

All I am down to now is the financial aspect of things...that and a good business minded person to go over things to ensure I have it all down as it should be Wink
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2007, 01:37:06 PM »

Hmmm Interestingly I did some playing around.
You will run across this if you do one of two things only.

Go to their Item Mall section.  If you stick with the Videos and start looking through those then you will not see it.
Or if you get to search from the bottom of the screen and change the option from "this category" to "all" or some other category will you get to the porno stuff.

What this tells me is that if Christian Heritage Books is truly a Christian organization then they do not know who their supplier is.  And their item mall is a direct feed from that supplier and not any posting of their own.  And they need to change suppliers.

Or Christian Heritage is part of a bigger company that is being quite fraudulent in their presentation of who they are and have a different business selling the sin nature of man as well.  I pray it is the first option.  But feel it is probably the second.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2007, 06:56:50 AM »

The following article seems to be the answer to your question, Brother Jerry.

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X-rated Christian store's troubles traced to Amazon

Service sets up retail outlets, but uses Internet giant's search engine

The troubles that allowed customers at an online Christian bookstore to call up X-rated books and movies have been traced back to Amazon.com, the Internet behemoth that has in the past implemented a series of distinctly anti-Christian policies.

The latest issue arose when NewsWithViews.com writer Paul Proctor noted that a company maintaining the Christian Heritage Bookstore website, was selling 14-karat gold cross earrings along with the X-rated "Playboy: X Mates, Vol. 1 – BMX/Wakeboards," and an adult 4-pack of "classics" titled "Debbie Does Dallas," "Deep Throat," "Behind the Green Door," and "The Devil in Miss Jones."

Marty Svare, the owner of the site, based in Bemidji, Minn., told WND that the Christian bookstore was a goal he'd had for a long time, and it was set up through another company that used Amazon-originated software to run searches.

He said he'd spent hours returning e-mails from concerned customers, and explained that if the website search engine found the customer's desired product within his defined domain, it displayed that product. If it didn't find the product, he said, the Amazon search engine would take over, bringing up virtually anything on the web.

"I was absolutely mortified," Svare told WND. "We've been working on trying to get that cleared up. This has been a nightmare."

He said if a permanent solution isn't available, he'll shut down the site. The website, in fact, was unavailable hours after he talked with WND.

"As Christians it's our responsibility to protect people from that sort of thing," he told WND.

His site was built using a service called www.ChristianBookNet.com, which bills itself as an "online Christian bookstore solution provider for churches, ministries and Christian individuals."

Officials there did not return WND requests for comment, but their online pages confirm that their system is based "upon Amazon.com's Web Services API (Application Programming Interface)."

"Whether you are a local church, Christian fellowship or ministry organization who want (sic) to enhance your current website by offering high-quality Christian products through your own custom-built online bookstore, or an individual who desire (sic) to create a solid home based Christian online business for recurring residential (sic) income, our solution is just for you! With our online shop, you can offer a huge stock of high-quality Christian products from Amazon.com (as well as Amazon.ca and Amazon.co.uk), the largest online-retailer in the world, and earn up to 8.5% referral fees on every sold product," that site advertises.

However, the explanation didn't include that the search engines set up for those Christian sites would allow customers to pull up anything available on Amazon. And that brought a warning from Svare, who said undoubtedly his site would not be the only site affected by the problems.

In fact, a WND reader submitted another website, GraceUnlimited.ChristianBookNet.com, with a similar setup.

Svare said he started Christian Heritage Bookstore because he had wanted to do something in line with his beliefs.

"I always wanted to have a Christian bookstore, and here's a Christian book network. I thought this might be a great opportunity," he said. "I wasn't aware that these sorts of things were possible."

He said when he set up the site, there were various options to include or exclude products and categories. For example, he chose to exclude horror stories from his product list.

However, it wasn't offered as an option to exclude X-rated material, and, he said, "It never dawned on me to ask."

Amazon, however, would know about such situations. As WND reported several months ago, the company's newly-announced Unbox feature, which allows customers to download entertainment programming, promoted the "Gay and Lesbian" genre.

A customer, Fred Luffman, told WND he's been a longtime Amazon customer and he saw the announcement about the feature, but was surprised when he saw the short list of promoted genres including "Gay & Lesbian." Even more surprised, too, when he clicked and opened up the long list to find other genres with much larger selections, and therefore sales potential, left unpromoted.

"Nestled nicely between 'Educational & Learning' and 'Kids & Family' is 'Gay and Lesbian,'" Luffman told WND. "They allow you to expand on this section of selections to include many more genres but curiously 'Gay & Lesbian' is among the smallest of offerings in the long list. Given this, why the effort to promote G&L in the short list?"

Earlier, Amazon.com was found recommending "Brokeback Mountain" to a customer who had referenced "The Chronicles of Narnia" and "Lady and the Tramp."

Just a week before Luffman's experience, a woman had been shopping, and after listing the "Chronicles" and "Lady and the Tramp" as interests, Amazon recommended "Brokeback," which tells a story of homosexual cowboys.

"I don't know if there's an agenda at the corporate level but I don't doubt there is an agenda among some lower level personnel tasked with web page content," Luffman said. "These kinds of offerings are especially troubling to me as a parent since downloads of this kind can easily bypass most if not all web filtering software."

Another father contacted WND to report a similar situation with Google: "I was assisting my 11-year-old son with a report he needed to do on Lord Bacon," he said. "I Googled Lord Bacon and received a list of several sites (including Wikipedia)." He noted two links with Bacon's article discussed his alleged homosexuality, "neither of which I considered appropriate for my 11-year-old son."

And, he said, when he was searching for the Middle Georgia Radio Association (MGRA), he instead was referred to the "Missouri Gay Rodeo Association."

"Based on my experience Google will get you to the GAY websites first," he said.

The woman who was recommended "Brokeback," a WND reader and longtime Amazon customer, said she had submitted information that she had purchased "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire," she said she already owned "The Chronicles of Narnia" and she rated "Lady and the Tramp."

"I can't see any reason for these movies to bring up a recommendation for a movie about homosexual lovers unless someone in Amazon has an agenda (especially in the IT dept)," she wrote.

Several messages left with Amazon generated only an e-mail response, in which the company repeated its published policies.

WND also has reported that Google was hosting "Paiderastia: The Boy Love Revival" site on its weblog.

And Amazon.com earlier was reported to have been selling subscriptions to the North American Man/Boy Love Association's official magazine.

A spokeswoman for one of the largest organizations of Christian publishers and retailers said her group members would be "horrified" to learn a retailer was selling X-rated products under the name of a "Christian" store, but there is a solution.

The 2,055 members of the Christian Booksellers Association, have strict written guidelines to: "Use our position to serve others, as modeled by Jesus Christ," "Value and use good judgment, innovation and personal strengths," and "Take initiative, solve problems, take risks, and make decisions that result in the growth of CBA, the good of our members, and the glory of God," according to the group's website.

And a spokeswoman, Nancy Guthrie, told WND the stores consider their "business" also a "ministry," and have provided www.ChristianStores.org as a web resource where consumers can hunt for a list of Christian retailers in their area.

Virtually all of the major Christian publishing houses list their statement of beliefs on their websites, similar to those listed by Christian Book Net.
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2007, 06:58:21 AM »

It looks to me like the Christian Heritage owner is a concerned Christian and is in the process of doing something to prevent the problem. Praise God for that.


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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2007, 09:14:51 AM »

That is extremely good to hear.  I truly feared we would not hear anything from him and that it was a ruse.  It is bad to hear the rest of the news about Amazon and Google...I personally go to used book stores and such instead of Amazon and have never had a problem with Google...but then it all comes down to how you search as well Smiley
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