eba you said
"In that case I presume you are campaigning for an end to all operations that remove ovarian cysts (and therefore destroy eggs) and operations that remove (and therefore sperm) as hard as you are campaigning against abortions. "

you know if a person was haveing health issues of any kind that of coarse the should let a docter operate, but i dont think we are talking about that. we are saying abortion is a form of birth control , not a form of medical procedure to repair a illness in a human .

sorry i will not post in this thread any longer. for i think we have beatten it to death . im affraid eba will be saying we have killed it.
and we are guilty of.....................
The First Known Thread Abortion   and i recspect all threads right to live , even anti catholic ones. only the big guy has the right to kill a thread, the monerator.wich in african pigmie tribes means god kind of scary huh.

to the gays whom try to resist and look for forgiveness
to the person whom has aborted thier baby and weeps
to the theif whom ask for help and forgiveness
to the repenter  

tothe gay and proud of it
to the promoters of abortion
 to the  theif  who has no feeling to his victim
to the boastful

Quote:    eba

"Is it?  Sure, it will develop into a human under the right conditions, but an egg and sperm will develop into a human under the right conditions, but I don't see you arguing for giving them full human rights."
 of course id give them full human rights.
eba if you, or someone you know is pained by this subject as i am , and i feel as though you are . i'm going to pray that any hurt you have. do to any bad desitions , someone close to you, may have made .our god is forgiveing ,and the sin is judged not the sinner , that is if the sinner in his heart truely wants to be forgiving . may  anyone, whom has falling to this acceptabe practice , in the world we live in today . not be blinded and repent. amen

im a strange dude the morning i saw the towers go down i felt as though this was it the beginning of prophecy in Babylon, some how all this needed to happen to stage the final act .

and as far as bush lieing im not sure , but his purpose was to fight terror and its roots wether or not he had weapons of mass destruction, he wanted to go in, and we should have , but when the cia said they had the weapons now he could convince the liberals that we needed to go in. see we all understand it
 wasnt about womans rights in iraq
not about his dad
 not about oil
 not about weapons
not about anyother reason
 its about a war thats been going on for ever between the terrorist and the jewish people and the united states has finnally joined the war on terror.

Sower
got it thanks brother

Butch  your funny! KFC

ya and the mashed potato's and gravy is good to,

ebia
im sorry if you felt i attacked you, but im not just your thought process.
you said..................
I've never said it I don't think it's murder.  I do think abortion is wrong, and I've said so several times.

What I'm pointing out is that neither the bible nor logic PROVES that abortion is murder.
are you contradicting yourself?
you say its life right
it is not a plant
it is human at a young age
and when you end this life
you have killed it
 to kill a human life is murder
to kill a plant is ashame
 to kill a chicken is dinner

ya know , now i gutta make a cup ov coffee. i 'm gunna get in my ca , go get sum here in bostin. oh welcome.hope ya like coffee

welcome from boston butcha

thanks for the reply so they both traced back to david , they must of split some where right? or they would have been to close and would have been none relitives . mary & joeseph that is. so do you know where that split took place.  

An unborn child is human. it is not a plant nor a puppy it is a live human. It is not dead. We are not born perfect nor do we grown into human perfection. We as humans are never complete our bodies change contiunesly. At what stage of life is it a right of one human to kill another? Scripture says simply dont kill.

so true, right on Reba  

the pro abortion people dont concider it life they cant because then it would be murder. thier argument is its not able to live alone if we take it out so it dont count, or the women has rights but the woman in the womb dont?

good advise try to be thier for her support her and expose her to as much christianity as you can, bring her to a light but interesting bible study , that can get her thinking. if she gets lost , this doesnt meen she wount be back shell never forget what you expose her to and this will help her come back. god works in strange  ways it might not be her that is being worked on it might be you.  
                                ill pray for the three of us now.
                                     the butcha

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WERE DO YOU FIND THE PICTURES THAT YOU PUT UP FUNNY FACES AND RELIGOUSE ONES , I WANT A PICTURE FOR ME TO.

[Its seems you would be calling BlackEyedPeas, 2nd Timtothy and myself "Antichrists" because we believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church. Thats a strong accusation calling someone "Antichrist". What if we are right about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture? What would that make you in the event we are right about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church? You are treading on dangerous ground when you declare those who believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church are Antichrists. If BlackEyedPeas, 2nd Timothy and myself are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and believers in Christ, how can we be Antichrists? You may not believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church yourself but then again I don't even know if you study prophecy. I haven't seen you explain you end time beliefs for our inspection. Prove us wrong. We have a thread where we discuss the Rapture and the End Times in the Prophecy section titled "Best of Paul2's Rapture pages. Your welcome to join us and present your interpretation of the End Times and see if your interpretation is contradicted by Scripture. If you can't present your interpretation of the End Times what qualifies you to determine whether or not our interpretations are correct. Can you fit all the End Time events into a logical sequence that Scripture will allow without clear contradictions? Show me! I hate being called false teacher, ANTICHRIST by those who never attempt to set the record straight. If I'm wrong prove it. Present a better case for your interpretation and be willing to allow us to ask you questions which will clarify your view. I don't call those who disagree with me Antichrist, I wouldn't dare call a Christian indwelt by the Holy spirit Antichrist. I've come to the conclusion that you feel we are Antichrists from many of your posts. I belong to Christ, I was paid for with His blood. He has declared me Justified and Righteous by His Blood and His Word. BlackEyedPeas and 2nd Timothy also belong to Christ. We are brothers "in Christ", not Antichrists! Careful not to call a Christian "Antichrist". I believe Jesus has always been God, and always will be God. I believe in Jesus' bodily resurrection, the virgin birth, His miracles, that Jesus was sinless, died willingly on the cross, and will return to establish His Millenial Kingdom. I'm a believer, a member in His Church, I'm indwelt by the Holy Spirit. I'm not an Antichrist! Paul2]

[quote author=Psalm 119
"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now MANY ANTICHRISTS (emph. mine) have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the FAther ; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.  I John 2:18-19, 22-23

So who are some of the modern day antichrists?

The Pope, Catholics who pray to Mary, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims,  the hundreds of cults who will not accept Jesus as the Son of God, unbelieving Jews, Protestant pastors who teach contrary to the doctrines of Christ, and all unbelievers.

There is so much emphasis put on "THE ANTICHRIST" that we fail to see the many antichrists that are among us in this present hour. We must remember that if someone is not FOR Christ he is against Him.

Psalm 119

    Its seems you would be calling BlackEyedPeas, 2nd Timtothy and myself "Antichrists" because we believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church. Thats a strong accusation calling someone "Antichrist". What if we are right about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture? What would that make you in the event we are right about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church? You are treading on dangerous ground when you declare those who believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church are Antichrists.

    If BlackEyedPeas, 2nd Timothy and myself are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and believers in Christ, how can we be Antichrists? You may not believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church yourself but then again I don't even know if you study prophecy. I haven't seen you explain you end time beliefs for our inspection. Prove us wrong. We have a thread where we discuss the Rapture and the End Times in the Prophecy section titled "Best of Paul2's Rapture pages. Your welcome to join us and present your interpretation of the End Times and see if your interpretation is contradicted by Scripture. If you can't present your interpretation of the End Times what qualifies you to determine whether or not our interpretations are correct. Can you fit all the End Time events into a logical sequence that Scripture will allow without clear contradictions? Show me!

    I hate being called false teacher, ANTICHRIST by those who never attempt to set the record straight. If I'm wrong prove it. Present a better case for your interpretation and be willing to allow us to ask you questions which will clarify your view. I don't call those who disagree with me Antichrist, I wouldn't dare call a Christian indwelt by the Holy spirit Antichrist.

    I've come to the conclusion that you feel we are Antichrists from many of your posts. I belong to Christ, I was paid for with His blood. He has declared me Justified and Righteous by His Blood and His Word. BlackEyedPeas and 2nd Timothy also belong to Christ. We are brothers "in Christ", not Antichrists!

    Careful not to call a Christian "Antichrist". I believe Jesus has always been God, and always will be God. I believe in Jesus' bodily resurrection, the virgin birth, His miracles, that Jesus was sinless, died willingly on the cross, and will return to establish His Millenial Kingdom. I'm a believer, a member in His Church, I'm indwelt by the Holy Spirit. I'm not an Antichrist!

                                                           Paul2

Paul2,

Apparently you have taken the rapture thread and this antichrist thread and blended the two to come up with your own conclusion on whom I believe to be an antichrist. I have not called anyone who believes in the rapture an antichrist. That is your own conclusion.

I do believe in the Resurrection of the Saints (as most Christians did the first 1700 years after the death of Christ). I do believe that the Pre- rapture doctrine is dangerous,for it gives many Christians the feeling that they will never have to suffer for the cause of Christ. Please don't accuse me of making statements that were never made.

Psalm 119

NO, Psalm 119 YOU JUST COMPARED CHRISTAINS WHOM PRACTICE THE CATHOLIC RELIGION TO " Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims,  the hundreds of cults who will not accept Jesus as the Son of God, unbelieving Jews, Protestant pastors who teach contrary to the doctrines of Christ, and all unbelievers." AND THAT THEY ARE THE ANTI CHRIST. PERSONNLY I THINK THATS WORSE THAN ANY JEWISH BASHING IVE SEEN ON THIS SITE AND , IF YOU EVER WISHED TO  CONVERT OR COVINCE A CATHOLIC THAT THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING CONTRERY TO WHAT GOD WOULD WANT. YOU LOOSE THEM WITH IGNORANT AND CRUEL POMPOUSE, AND SELFRIGHTOUSE STATEMENTS LIKE THAT. YA I KNOW I CANT SPELL . MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANT TO INSULT THAT ,AND THE UNEDJUCATED FISHERMEN THAT JESUS FOUND WORTHY, OR THAT ROMAN TAX COLLECTER THAT JESUS HAD FOLLOWING HIM ARROUND IN GALLALI, THAT HE JUDGED SO HARD. I JUST DONT THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD THINK ITS TABU TO INSULT JEWISH,OR OTHERS BUT FOR SOME REASON ITS COOL AND FUNNY TO INSULT THE CATHOLICS.
IF YOU ALL ARE SAYING THAT SATAN, HAS TAKEN OVER THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND ITS PEOPLE ARE BEING LED THE WRONG WAY WHY WOULDNT YOU FEEL SADNESS AND PRAY FOR THIER RELEASE , INSTEAD ITS THIS CONSTANT RANK FEST JOKE JOKE NUDGE NUDGE NUK NUK . I HOPE IF YOU ALL BELIEVE TRUELY WHAT YOU SAY . YOU FIND AWAY TO HELP THESE POOR PEOPLE( CATHOLICS) TO SEE THE WAY INSTEAD OF THE INSULTS.