Cris,
      I think I understand what you are asking, a
miracle- An intervention in the natural universe by God (Bible refrence companion), your asking about  a
supernatural happening, such as the healing of the blind man, parting of the red sea, people being raised from the dead. The conversion of saul, The miracle that Christ himself performed,
your asking why aren't we seeing them today, what has happened to miracle?

I shared with you when a women was healed of deafness, and heard testimonies of miracles occuring from people who I know personally that are missionaries in the Phillipines. I don't want to be like in the days of demanding a sign either. But is sure is exciting when a miracles occurs. I am literally praying for a miracle for me home. Maybe we as a people have gotten so far away from what God intended he can't perfom his miracles any more. I wonder if there is a lull in the times of miralce to allow the "setting up" of the world for the end times. I dont' really know just wondering too.

musicllover

OKAY!  WHEW!  What did I say that wasn't clear, or, how else could I have phrased it?  Glad you got it musicllover.  That was exactly what I meant.  Yes, I remember you sharing your experience with miracles.  I just don't think there are enough of them.  Seems to me they should be more commonplace.  It's not God's fault there aren't more of them.  It's ours.  From what I've heard, miracles are far more prevalent in third world countries.  I would guess that's because when they hear about Jesus Christ for the first time, they BELIEVE.  They do become like little children as the bible tells us we must.  I wonder about the same things you mentioned, too.

I HOPE YOU GET YOUR MIRACLE.  Father God, I just lift up my sister, musicllover to You.  Oh, Lord God, hear her prayer to You and perform that miracle.  Father, bless her whole family.  Reveal Yourself to them in a way that they cannot ever doubt.  Send Your angels to do battle for musicllover.  Send Your angels to protect her and her home, in the name of Jesus Christ, I pray. Amen.

cris

 

Cris,
      I am sure the lack of miracle is the result of peoples doubt and disbelief. Our lack of obedience to the word, abortion, and gay rights.......among a milliion other acts of rebellion. It all affects us as a nation.
     Part of the apostesy of the church I suppose, but I'm not one of them. I would give my eye teeth to see a miracle or be a part of a mircale, except my teeth go in cup everynight so guess that isn't a fair exchange..... . I don't want a sign I just want to be privalaged enough to be where God is acting in a super natural way.  It does seem like miracles occur in 3 world countries more than they do in USA, but we are such skeptics, and proud, doubters that it makes it hard for God to do what he really wants to do.
Thanks you for your prayer, thank God that he heard it too.
musicllover

[BLASTED OUT!!!!!!!!!]

Well, I recieved a miracle, last night!!  I went to turn on the TV, this afternoon, and got BLASTED OUT!!!!!!!!!

Normally I have the TV on 55,(volume) to hear it. I had to turn it down to 30 this afternoon. I can hear my cats!!!!

I have been deaf, for so long, it's funny. Right now I am crying, because I haven't hears things I am, hearing.

Now I know, I am resting in the Lord's arms!
Bob

Bob, !!!!!!!!!!
     ALL glory and honor to GOd, Praise the LORD. THat is so neat. God is great, God is good. .....
keeping sharing and believing

musicllover

[I've added the red highlight. we'll keep that sentence in mind for later (soon actually).]

Crystal.......I quote
"It's funny that anti-abortionists are against one form of killing and not another. I don't think the Bible tells us that killing babies is a sin, in fact quite the contrary:"

I've added the red hightlight,
I'm completely shocked you said this? Since when is the killing of any innocent baby NOT a sin? But lets Set aside the abortion issue for a second, this debate is against the war that you say you are against.  Now I'm confused as to what you believe. So you believe killing a baby isn't a sin? But you don't like the war in Iraq?

I've added the red highlight. we'll keep that sentence in mind for later (soon actually).

The scripture you referr to in Psalm, is referring to the Babylon empire, enemies of God, the scriptures from Exodus was when the Pharoah wouldn't let the Isarealites go making him and enemy of God. With this in mind when did God every kill the child of a believer? You won't answer me cause you've dodged my question up till now, but please give me one instance when God took the life of a child of a believer?

Ok, here we are with some interesting stuff. I quoted those passages to make a point to Reba that God has ordered the wholesale killing of innocent lives (children, babies, animals) according to his purpose. Does God allow abortions to happen as part of his plan; it's not inconceivable is it? Perhaps these children would grow up to be enemies of God, I can't say.
I am against abortion as a means of birth control but I am for women’s rights to choose what happens to their own bodies. I allow them to make the choice and let God be the judge according to his plan. I also believe abortion to be an option when the mother’s life is in danger, again by her choice. God takes from us the lives of the newly born by the thousands every day, all according to his plan and it is not for me to judge that plan. But abortion aside.

Give you and example of when God took the life of a believer’s child? Ever hear of the evening news? Happens every day. But even more interesting is the fact that you seem to believe it's not sin to take the life of a child as long as it's the child of one of Gods enemies... curious. Remember that red highlight up there?  

I remind you that we are the created, God is the creater with just a simply thought we could all be dead, so does that make God a murder? Did the flood make God a murder too? You can't say war is wrong but its ok to kill baby's, the 2 don't mix.

I didn't WAR was wrong my dear, I said THIS WAR was wrong.

I'm confused as to where you stand because you seem to be against abortion, but for war whether it's just and righteous or not and for the killing of babies of the enemies of God?

Oh, and I'm not sure what questions of your I've dodged...

Crystal,
You brought up the scriptures and posted them I simply was using your idea, (crazy as it is) that because God took the life (you call this murder) of all first borns this some how justifies abortion,.... you still didn't answer my question.
 Did God ever take the life of any first born of a believer? NO......why don't we ask ourselves what caused God to take those lives? Even some of the Isarealites didn't follow the direction so their first borns were dead too. Unbelief, rebellion, doubt, ingnorance caused the death of the first borns not God. God left a way out as he always does, and the unbelievers failed. A murder doesn't give anyone a choice, no one gives the innoncent baby a choice of life or death, and neither do the mothers who abort them or any who believe abortion is a choice.  War, well you signed up you do your job, end of story.

the evening NEWS !!!!>>>>LOL>>>>> YOU got to be kidding, talk about a far reach here, The evening news....you believe  the death of babies are caused by God? Kinda like the headlines of the trash at the check out lines. You don't really believe that do you? You do believe that God is soveign right? He no doubt he allows many thinks we don't understand, abortion for one, but he doesn't kill anything, don't you get it, GOD is GOD, he allows a life to be lost or saved out of our own ingorance, and bad behavior, like drinking and driving a family is hit and some one dies, maybe a baby is dead.......who caused that? You would say God? What about crib deaths.....unexplained, but there is new evidence suggesting that crib death is linked to cigeratte smoking in the home. The scriptures tell US, YOU, ME, those next door, up or down the street WE CAN NOT kill.  Because God is sovereign, God doesn't murder anyone.

 I don't like war but I  agree with the reasons we went to war. (your assumption that I do is dead wrong DEAREST, I didn't sleep for day on end because my son was there) The scriptues tells us there will be times of war.......this is one of them. Islam is an enemy of all CHristians, its their own disbelief in Jesus Christ that has caused this war. Some say oil is the reason, possilby for man, maybe not for God. WE know form Scriptures that God can and has use war to take care of nasty situations like Iraq, this isnt' a war for oil I believe its a war of Alah verse God. Do I like the idea that baby are being killed, hardly. But as the original post suggests Our President didn't kill any babies. HE didn't have our troups dress up like civillians and mix among those babies. Your real beef (besides the war itself) is with Hussein. I'ed like to hear what he has to say as well. There will be deaths of many people in the years to come, you can't deny any of that.......man started this way,,,,, and God is going to end it HIS way and if that means war then so be it. If that means babies lives are lost then so be it, but NOT by abortion, that is cold blooded murder, not an accident caused by war.


Previous questions that you didn't answer. You claim your a marine, what if your were in the marines, would you like to be referred to as a baby killer? .........guess so since you thing abortion is ok.
IF your were President what would you do ? How would you have handled the years of not allowing our inspectors in, or the killing of his own people denying people water, denying food, supporting terrorismm, weapons of mass destruction  etc etc
 
You asked, would GOd use abortion to take the life of one of his enemies....I believe that would be contary to his word so NO, God will never advocate murder.  Abortion is just another act of ignoracne and disobediance and people will be judged accordingly, also for not standing against it...same as performing them yourself.  Through out your post you imply God is a murder, I know its hard to understand but
My point is God didn't take the life of a believers baby becuase of their acts of obediance. Is Iraq following God? Does this justify war?  Yes, is there any point in time when murder is justified NO. But war isn't murder, it is killing, but its not murder.
war and abortion aren't the same thing. As I said in my previous posts put abortion aside here let us concintrate on what the thread intended, except for the maker of this thread has stuck his tail between his legs and run.
WHat do you think we should have done about Hussein?

musicllover  


 

Cris,
      I think I understand what you are asking, a
miracle- An intervention in the natural universe by God (Bible refrence companion), your asking about  a
supernatural happening, such as the healing of the blind man, parting of the red sea, people being raised from the dead. The conversion of saul, The miracle that Christ himself performed,
your asking why aren't we seeing them today, what has happened to miracle?

I shared with you when a women was healed of deafness, and heard testimonies of miracles occuring from people who I know personally that are missionaries in the Phillipines. I don't want to be like in the days of demanding a sign either. But is sure is exciting when a miracles occurs. I am literally praying for a miracle for me home. Maybe we as a people have gotten so far away from what God intended he can't perfom his miracles any more. I wonder if there is a lull in the times of miralce to allow the "setting up" of the world for the end times. I dont' really know just wondering too.

musicllover

[Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.]

I have "written in" Allen Keyes except for this last election i did vote for GW.

Any vote for a party or person who supports abortion is support for the murder of the unborn. My reference to abortion is in my post is because of the  poster choice to vote for a democrat.

Below is a piece of the democrat 2004 platform....

We will defend the dignity of all Americans against those who would undermine it. Because we
believe in the privacy and equality of women, we stand proudly for a woman's right to choose,
consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of her ability to pay. We stand firmly against
Republican efforts to undermine that right. At the same time, we strongly support family planning
and adoption incentives. Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.

We support full inclusion of gay and lesbian families in the life of our nation and seek equal
responsibilities, benefits, and protections for these families. In our country, marriage has been
defined at the state level for 200 years, and we believe it should continue to be defined there. We
repudiate President Bush's divisive effort to politicize the Constitution by pursuing a "Federal
Marriage Amendment." Our goal is to bring Americans together, not drive them apart.

Reba, you have a great deal of anger in you and you should pray for guidence in this area. As for who I vote for, I'll tell you that ONE issue is not sufficient do base a political philosophy on. I vote based on a variety of issues so I choose the candidate who most closely represents what I would like to see help our country at that point in time. I have voted both Republican and Democrat. I am registered as an Independant but did not support either candidate this time around. If you base your vote entirely on the candidates position on abortion then you probably haven't voted in quite some time.

Like I said before, you support GWB so if you accept the blood on your hands of tens of thousands of Iraqi's and close to 2000 American Servicemen then I will do the same.

It's funny that anti-abortionists are against one form of killing and not another. I don't think the Bible tells us that killing babies is a sin, in fact quite the contrary:

Psalm 137:
7)Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.
O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
9)Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Exodus 12:
29)And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle

Crystal.......I quote
"It's funny that anti-abortionists are against one form of killing and not another. I don't think the Bible tells us that killing babies is a sin, in fact quite the contrary:"
I've added the red hightlight,
I'm completely shocked you said this? Since when is the killing of any innocent baby NOT a sin? But lets Set aside the abortion issue for a second, this debate is against the war that you say you are against.  Now I'm confused as to what you believe. So you believe killing a baby isn't a sin? But you don't like the war in Iraq?


The scripture you referr to in Psalm, is referring to the Babylon empire, enemies of God, the scriptures from Exodus was when the Pharoah wouldn't let the Isarealites go making him and enemy of God. With this in mind when did God every kill the child of a believer? You won't answer me cause you've dodged my question up till now, but please give me one instance when God took the life of a child of a believer?

I remind you that we are the created, God is the creater with just a simply thought we could all be dead, so does that make God a murder? Did the flood make God a murder too? You can't say war is wrong but its ok to kill baby's, the 2 don't mix.

musicllover

dont know what to do I am losing faith I dont know much im scared im a drug addict and i dont know what to do im only 22 and need help my mind is constantly screaming of things that i go bye its scary i need help i pray for those also suffering around the world

This might sound rather harsh, but I'll say it anyway, pray for yourself right now, get yourself right with God, and deal with your addiction then you can pray for others. Pastor Rogers is right, get some help. Go to your local health department tell them you need help, or the State Mental clinic, Your Pastor, your family......expose the drug abuse dont' let it remain hidden from those who can help you. Allow the light of God to shine in the dark place of your addiction and then fight for all that you are worth cause your worth alot or Jesus wouldn't have died for you right....Jesus wants you well too, he want you to come to him so he can help you, but you have to make the first step. Pray and find some help please.
Your in my prayers
musicllover

Whitedove,
             WOW, this is very good, do you have more? I am struggling with alot of what you have described. Maybe I was suppose to find this, its 2:30 in the morning and I have much on my mind. SO much of what you described is me, is almost scarey but God works that way. Let me know where the rest of your stuff is.
musicllover

Just thought of this....who started this thread anyway? I aksed him/her a quesiton several post back and got no response. Just like my dog, when she eats the wrong food, does her dirty business jumps up to find a new spot and goes again.

I'm too defensive sometimes but I'm a MOM, (mom of a marine)
 

Yes Bush did win as you all like to cleverly point out. I said it before and I'll say it again for those of you unable to read anything other than what you want see:

I do not support Kerry nor Bush because they are both wrong for the job. So don't label me a leftist or an ultra-liberal.

The funny thing you people seem to forget is that there WERE NO TERRORIST THREATS IN IRAQ UNTIL WE INVADED!

Now all the terrorists who were headed to Afgahnistan went to IRAQ and OSAMA BIN LADEN (the REAL threat) is still on the loose. But I guess what you really want is a war with any muslims so you will simply ignore these FACTS and support an unjust war.

And I don't know what sources you are refering to since I think I linked to an independent poll. Bush may have won the election but he's losing the war.  

Crystal,
           you siad...The funny thing you people seem to forget is that there WERE NO TERRORIST THREATS IN IRAQ UNTIL WE INVADED!......

LOL.... does the devil hang out in the bars on Sat night, does he tempt the drug addict,? NO cuase he already has them doing just what he wants, the devil tempts CHristians, so why would  terrorist threaten one of there own? Hussein was footing the bill for some of thier acts, allowoing them to train in Iraq, giving them refuge, hiding them, he himself was a terrorist. The terrorist are attack anyone in Iraq now because they want control of the land/oil. But since the USA is there does that show they would attack the land and the people of the USA as well if they weren't so busy in Iraq?
    I would look at ever picture I could find when my son was there, and in one of those picture it showed the Caat Red doing some clean up early on in the conflict where Husseins henchman had sat fire to thier own oil wells. In one of the towns was a painting on a wall of the Twin towers being hit by an air plane.... small town close to the Iraqi border, painted by Hussen's people he enjoyed what happen to the people in the twin towers, he encouraged it and praised those who done it, and help foot the bill to do it. Some of our troups found old, Iraqi news papers showing pictures of the attack claiming victory for the Iraqi people.
      I don't like war, its terrible that anyone die in such terrilbe ways, I dont glorify it at all. But you say you served your country, would you do it again?  Isnt American worth fighting for? Or was it ok that we were attacked, do you have any gurantee that we would not have been attacked again? They have also found documents showing proof that further attacks were being planned, they have salalite pictures of a major convoy leaving Iraq before the conflict (possilby moving Weapons of mass descruction) they have found several blue prints of schools in the USA......SCHOOLS where our children attend classes everyday. DO we just wait until they kill our children? The world trade center had been attack under clintons administartion and nothing was done, a slap on the wrist, they blew up a ship killing several of our men, nothing was done, I believe it was time we stop letting them blow us up. Muslims believe they kill a christain they will have immediate entrance into their heaven....so any Christian is a target for them. Bin Laden begun this war, true, and we are still searching for him, but again how do we handle the Bin Laden of this world?  What would you have the USA do if you were Commander and chief. Give us a senerio of your idea of a good leader and President.
        musicllover

Musicllover,

Well, God can use anyone and anything.  What the devil means for evil, God can turn it around for His glory. Actually, I don't know what to think of what's going on in these TV ministries.  I would think if they were all false, many more people would be coming forward exposing them.  Anyone can say someone is false, but proving it isn't something they do.  People do gossip, christian and non christian alike.  I also see people starting out on fire for the Lord, and then somewhere along the line, they must, somehow, get contaminated.  They are ultimately accountable to God.  I can only judge someone if I see and know it myself.

I don't watch the TV ministries as much as I used to.  However, praise God, when I needed to hear His word preached, I heard it on TV.  Those ministries fed me for a long time.  They drew me closer to Jesus Christ.  I am forever grateful they were there.  

cris

   

Cris,
      Yes I agree, Its hard to believe that anyone could do greater works that Jesus Christ. I've heard a teaching that this scripture means greater as in more works, not greater as in a better kind of miracle. I can't imagine what kind of miracles could be done today that Jesus didn't do so I have a tendancy to believe that it means greater in quanity not quality.
       There are some TV/radio Evangalist that are in it for the right reasons, they want to spread the word and minister to the needs of the people, so not all of them are bad. As Bro Tom shared on antoher thread and worth repeating here, if a Preacher can't say Jesus Christ is almight God then we know for sure they are working for the devil. Its up to the chirstians to check out the fruits, so I suppose being a doubitng Thomas isn't all bad, its when we doubt in disbelief and scoff at the power of God that makes it bad.
     Might be worth starting a thread on any info we have of TV ministers, authors, and others who work in the ministry. Just posting articles and information so it will allow others to do some investigation, at least this will expose those who are in error to the word of God.
       I've noticed in the last several years that so many Evangalist have fallen, or at least you hear the negative news about them. I loved Jimmy Swaggart until, then Benny Hinn, Jim and Tammy Baker. Some that I listen too and feel like they are right with God, are John MacArthur, James D Kennedy. Dr Dobson, Joyce Myers (heard something while back about her but can't remember what it was). Problem with that is how do we know the articles we read are for real and it not turn into gossip?  
       Anyway back to the origninal thread.
Musicllover  

Continued:
Paul starts out in 1 Corinthians 12 explaining that unlike their experience as pagans with being lead astray by the many varied idols they encountered there is but one Holy Spirit. From that one Holy Spirit there is a diversity of gifts that are given to the local church. Each of these spiritual gifts is given, to be used in the church to edify the body. Paul stresses in verse 7, "But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. In other words they are given to be used for everyone's good in the local body. Verse 11 "But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills."

It is the Holy Spirit who determines which believer gets which gifts. Extrapolating from what Paul says next it appears that just like he had to deal with the Corinthian believers earlier that it didn't matter under whose ministry a believer came to the Lord, he now had to intervene in an argument as to which spiritual gifts were better. Apparently the Corinthians were coveting all the gifts, and not all were happy with their gift, thinking perhaps that because their gift was "not as important" in their own view as someone else's gift, they had been short-shrift when the gifts were given. They all wanted what they thought were the most important gifts. From What Paul writes the gifts that were most coveted were: Apostleship, prophecy, teaching, miracles, gifts of healings, tongues and interpretation of tongues.

In 1 Corinthians 13, the great Love chapter, Paul tries to show them the type of attitude they should have toward gifts. If I do not have "love" it profits me nothing. Paul is trying to teach the Corinthian believers that it doesn't matter what your Spiritual gift is, if your not using that gift out of "Love" for the brethren, the gift is a waste. As he is emphasizing how much more important acting out of true "Love" is Paul includes a bit of information that has been greatly discussed since the time that this was written. Paul writes in verse 8 "Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part;but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away."

There has been a great deal of debate over this passage, even on the Forum here. What is that which is perfect? There are a number of good arguments that can be made that what Paul, through the direction of the Holy Spirit, is speaking of as "the perfect" is the canon of the New Testament. We have to remember that this was written approximately 55 AD. Right around twenty years after the death and resurrection of our Lord. Not everyone could read and write, and there weren't pocket New Testaments available for believers to carry around and read at their leisure. Once there was an "official New Testament", and I do realize that they didn't know at the time that the Canon of official books or epistles would be called the New Testament, there would no longer be the urgent need for the "sign" gifts to authenticate the message and the messenger.

In Chapter 14 comes the passages that have caused all the commotion over the gift of tongues in the church today:

14:2 "For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his Spirit he speaks mysteries.

14:4 "One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church."

14:5 "Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.

14:6 "But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of teaching?"

14:9 "So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning. 11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me."

14:14 "For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.15 What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.

14:18 "I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; 19 however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue."

14:22 "So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. 23 Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?

What can we take from the teaching on tongues that Paul gives in 1 Corinthians 12 - 14? First, the greater gifts are those that are more beneficial to the Body of Christ. Paul clearly states that one gift is not superior to any other, we are to find out what our spiritual gift/s are and use them. Our gifts are not for our own sefl-advancement. Secondly, the spiritual gifts are to be used with a true sense of agape (self-sacrificing) love. It means setting aside our own desires and instincts and working for the greater good of the Body of Christ as a whole. That entails building up, strengthening and serving our brothers and sister in Christ.

Third, it is obvious that the spiritual gift of tongues was being abused in Corinth. It had become a source of disorder in the worship services. Others were using it as a sign of spiritual superiority in stead of a means of spiritual unity. Paul says that one who speaks in an unknown(to the hearers) tongue is speaking only to God, for no one else understands. By comparison, Paul says that prophecy(speaking forth the Word of God) is more to be desired because it will edify the hearers. Unless there is an interpreter present to explain what the person speaking in a tongue is saying it not only isn't edifying to the church, it brings confusion. Paul gives specific insruction that tongues not be allowed unless there is an interpreter present. But each of these instances of tongues is still speaking in a language that had not been learned by the speaker. In some cases, it is obvious that the speaker doesn't even understand what they are saying, why else would Paul instruct that they pray that they might be able to interpret (14:13)what they have spoken in another language. Paul says in the next verse that the reason for this is because if someone is even praying in a language unknown to them, their spirit may be praying, but for them their mind is unfruitful

There is a place in Christianity for intellect. Our faith is suppossed to be based in knowledge. Knowledge of Jesus and His sacrifice, knowledge of Jesus and His person is the definition of eternal life. Our mind and spirit are to be united with our emotions in our worship and praise of God. This is also true of our prayers. When we are pouring out our hearts to God in prayer we aren't supposed to shut off our minds and allow emotion to run wild. John wrote of his Gospel, "...but these things are written that you MIGHT KNOW. He closes his first epistle with these words, vs 18 "WE KNOW that no one who is born of God sins;" vs 19 "W KNOW that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one." vs 20 "And WE KNOW that the Son of God has come, and has given us UNDERSTANDING sothe WE MAY KNOW Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the True God and eternal life.

Christian faith is not about a "blind step" and hoping there is something out there to catch us, it is KNOWING, logically utilizing our minds.

In the rest of 1 Corinthians 14 as Paul closes his teaching about the gift of tongues we read, vs 22 "So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers;but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. vs 23 Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?

The manifestation of tongues was as stated previously a sign for unbelievers to authenticate that the message and messenger were from God. An unknown tongue unless there is an interpreter present is nothing but a distraction and brings disorder to a worship service.

Dm,
     The rest of the story that you didn't post is at the end of Cor 14:39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order.

Paul is teaching the order and still reminds us to not forbid speak in tongues. Its hard to get past that one statement. How would that apply in todays worship?

musicllover

Brother ?We must do what we MUST ? But fasting is a VERY SPECIAL THING !
Music ,Funny ?You said my life also . I never married a righteous woman ,Married 3 times always for the wrong reason .Everyone went out on me ?This one too .She moved in with 2 guys left me and our son .Took my little girl .left her with anyone ,male or female . Got really close to the LORD when she was gone .But one day ?I prayed ,LORD cause her world to fall apart . Then a few days later ?She was on the side of the road ,no where to go .She was going back with her dad and mom .Who abused all his kids .a very evil man .I worried about our girl .Told her to come home .Now we are together .But I only wanted a righteous wife ,nice kids and be able to take care of them . But as when I met this girl .I felt really sorry for her ,because of her suffering as a child .and married her .I LOVE my kids and even her .But have lost repect for her .But will be with her always . But ?I see me ,when you talk about your life .Yet I know nothing is better or not much than a happy couple in the LORD .As they are great ,when both LOVE THE LORD with ALL there hearts .But ,You are in a worse fram of mind than me .As I look to the LORD ,and not at my mate .I know I can control my life though CHRIST JESUS .And you can to a point ?FASTING will indeed bless you greatly .Your not believing the unbelieveable .Your WORDS become TRUTH IN NEW JERUSALEM .You have GREAT POWER WITH IN YOU .YOU HAVE THE VERY SPIRIT OF GOD . You pray ,the LORD will humble your husband ,bring him too his knees .FAITH moves the mountains .BUT ,I reason why we do things ,is the most important . You DO NOT understand ?When we go too our FATHER in our spirit and TRUTH ?WE will see our prayers ansured .
FAITH does it .Sure we may have too wait ?But believing is the key .Set it in your heart .It will come to pass . Write it somewhere ?Where you will see it a lot .Then you will start believing .When you do ?it will come to pass ! YOU ARE THE KINGS BABY .HE LOVES YOU AND SEES YOUR PAIN .  BELIEVE ME ?ONLY BELIEVE .THANK GOD FOR THIS MAN .lay hands on him .lift him up .praise him .GIVE GLORY TO GOD FOR HIM . YOU WILL CAUSE A CHANGE .DON"T LEAN TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING .LEAN TOWARD OUR LORDSS TRUTH . We can not understand the great wisdom of GOD .It is beyond our normal thinking .Blind following is the key .Don"t look at the problems .Keep your eyes on the LORD .Just as peter had too .too walk on water .Your problem is not harder than walking on water ..I LOVE YOU IN OUR LORD AND WILL PRAY FOR YOU ! FATHER GOD ,TOUCH MY SISTERS HEART .OPEN HER EYES >FILL HER WITH YOUR LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING .CAUSE HER TO LOVE HER HUSBAND IN TRUTH >FILL HER HOME WITH JOY AND PEACE >RECVEAL TOO HER ?WHAT SHE MUST DO .IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST I PRAY .THANK YOU LORD .

Gary,
      I will agree with your prayer brother.
musicllover

Brothers And Sisters,

I don't wish to hurt anyone's feelings, but an opinion was asked for here. All I have is my own opinion, watching several of Binny Hinn's television programs, and reading a large number of articles about him.

I would first say that any man can repent, be saved, be changed, etc., so I have no idea if Binny Hinn has changed or not. If not, I would view him like a witch doctor at best. He has denied that Jesus Christ is Almighty God as a minister and has the reputation of a snake oil salesman. One of the things that bothers me the most is his lavish life and taking money from the poor. Had it not been connected to ministry, it would be criminal fraud, taking money on false pretenses.

Now, back to the original thought I tried to make clear:  I don't know the heart of Binny Hinn, and I have no idea if he has changed or not. My single biggest problem with him in the past is the denial that Jesus Christ is Almighty God. If one does this and calls themselves a minister, I would ask for who?

I hope this didn't offend anyone, as that was certainly not my intention. This is an important topic. If people are being ministered to from someone NOT of Almighty God, it is a worthy topic that needs to be discussed. This same topic came up in other threads, and many links have been given on this topic. I have no way of saying that everything I've read is absolute fact, but I do have enough to have a real burden on my heart about this topic. I would simply say that anyone who denies that Jesus Christ is Almighty God is a FALSE TEACHER who should be avoided.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Acts 26:18  To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Tom,
       If Hinn said that I agree with you. I had no idea that he siad anything like that. I stopped watching him or reading his books when it came out that he'd hired a women to claim she'd been healing. That is terrilbe and he still call himself a minister of the word. DISGUSTING!

musicllover

musicllover

maybe you should sell your husband  

Silver

LOL.......OK, how much will you give? Most days I've give my whole marriage away for free, but who in their right mind would want it? I went to the mall today, walked by a jewerly shop seen a young couple looking at the wedding sets smiling and truly involved in each other....and the deepest hurt went through me, and my first thought is poor slobs, hope someone tells them to continue to love each other means lots of work..... Well how is that for having a chiristian like mind,  

On the heels of that thought A young women walks by me with a new born baby, and again the hurt, all I ever wanted was a husband and home and children to love. I still recall the wonder and awe of a new born, created by what I thought was a pure love between me and my husband and all has gone to pot. It hurts a great deal, its just the way that it is.
 Refiners fire, miracle, what ever I feel very desperate at the moment.

musicllover

I thought Lazarus was in the grave or dead for 4 days?
That didn't seem to be a problem for God, not at all!
I think through God all things are possible!
  I once disobeyed God concerning laying on hands of a woman who was blind.  I was all for it and prepared to do as He commanded, until I was told by her that the eyes in her head were mere marbles and not her own eyes at all.
I guess I believed God only in part, that He could heal her had she still had her original eyes, but He couldn't heal her because her own eyes were taken out and glass eyes added.

What miracle has conditions to it?   What can stop God from doing as He wishes?  Can embalming fluid or glass eyes deter God from His miracles?  I don't think so.

As I have grown in the Lord I realize that it is my own limited thinking that stops the miracles.  It is my disobedience that may cause someone from losing out on their miracle, at least temporarily.

I pray that God will grant me more faith, that I can do, "Greater things than these."  And I pray that He gives me enough wisdom and mercy to not knock someone He has called because my limited faith and wisdom cannot see past my flesh.

If anyone has more info on Benny Hinn I would like to know.  I have seen Benny in person and the power of God fell mightily upon me.  But then again, God used a donkey to speak once, so I suppose if He choses to use me or Benny Hinn then He will.

To God be the power and the glory forever and ever! amen
Shalom, PrairWarur

PairW,
         I have the video "Raised from the dead" I watched it with my kids, and as I've shared before there is a part of me that is a bit of a doubting Thomas, but another part that wants to believe it. In my case I doubt because of all the lies that seem to be in the world coming from the "evangalist", I can't even remember the guys name but he lived in a tower and told his tv parisherners that he would die unless that donated so much money (this was back in the late 80's I believe).......that was terrible. WOULD God demand something like that.  Embalming fluid would by NO MEANS stop God from performing a miracle and bring this man back to life, but is this of God? Living in a tower demanding so much money is that of God? I don't doubt God's power but I do doubt man's motives? I want to believe that God raised this man back to life, I want to believe that people like bonnke, Hinn are  TRUE men of God. But I don't want to be lead astray either....its our responsiblity as Christians to know God word, knowing his word will help us recognize the wolf in sheeps clothing. The word give a few guide lines to know a false prohpet,.........we will know them by the fruits they bare, the Pastor Bonnke, has got some trouble that he needs to tend too, I'm not saying that he is or isnt a false prophet, but there is much to be discovered about this man and the miracle that are happening when he is around, along with several deaths of followers getting trambled during his cursades, so I am reserving judgement but from what little I've read it doesn't look good. I am in the process of looking for more fruit..good or bad.
    Does God need a men like Bonnke, Hinn, to perform miracle? Can he do them while we sit in our own home, or church......sure, he defiantly doesn't need heritics perfomring miracles, but is sure puts a damper on the "real" miracles that I want to believe in.
musicllover