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Title: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 20, 2007, 02:42:36 PM
False Christs, Prophets and Teachers

We are warned many times throughout the Bible about people that are false prophets, teachers and even Christs. We are even warned that they will enter our churches and will deceive even the elect if that is at all possible. Is it at all possible? It at least appears to be so. We see it in some of our churches today and this situation seems to be growing more rapidly by the minute. We have people from behind the pulpit that are advocating the sins of this world as being perfectly acceptable which is contrary to the word of God. We see churches that are voting on things such as the deity of Jesus Christ, the acceptance of pastors that are openly and actively homosexual, churches that support abortion, pastors teaching that if you are not financially prosperous and healthy that you are not right with God, some that call themselves Reverend that advocate the silencing of Christians from any public place which prevents Christians from witnessing, and inviting atheists to speak from the pulpit to teach that there is no God and evolution is the only truth. Unfortunately there are many that are buying into these falsehoods and many, many more.

What is the answer to this problem? We must put on the whole armor of Christ Jesus. We must be prepared to answer every person that asks us of the truth. How do we do that? We must study the word of God, we must prepare ourselves with God's answers and not those of ours or the world.

There is an excellent Bible Study area here on this forum yet very few people are seen participating in it. I am not pointing any finger at just one person or small group of people. This is seen on many forums and in many churches. People go to church once or twice a week then totally ignore God's word the rest of the time. Many have never opened their Bibles let alone truly studied from them.

As such we see many Christians that remain ignorant to the wisdom and knowledge of God and His word. They end up swaying to and fro in the wind following every new thing that comes along that is taught from the pulpit. After all the person behind the pulpit supposedly has studied the word of God and they wouldn't lie to me .... or would they? (Jud 1:4)

I have heard so many excuses, I don't have time, I have to work, I have a large family ... the list goes on. These same people can tell you exactly what happened on their favorite TV shows everyday. Some of them can tell you exactly what the neighbors have been doing and plenty of time to make sure that those things are spread to everyone they meet. There are others that spend a lot of time sitting in coffee houses talking of anything but God's word.

We face some very trouble filled times. It is of the utmost importance that we are prepared for them, to spread the word so that others will not suffer the horrible consequences of not knowing. Take the time today to study the word with family or friends. Use family time for study time, use that time at the coffee house with friends or spend a few minutes each night before going to bed. There is always time for the Lord. After all our time should belong to Him.


1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.


2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.



Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Def on August 20, 2007, 04:38:43 PM
False Christs, Prophets and Teachers

We are warned many times throughout the Bible about people that are false prophets, teachers and even Christs. We are even warned that they will enter our churches and will deceive even the elect if that is at all possible. Is it at all possible? It at least appears to be so. We see it in some of our churches today and this situation seems to be growing more rapidly by the minute. We have people from behind the pulpit that are advocating the sins of this world as being perfectly acceptable which is contrary to the word of God. We see churches that are voting on things such as the deity of Jesus Christ, the acceptance of pastors that are openly and actively homosexual, churches that support abortion, pastors teaching that if you are not financially prosperous and healthy that you are not right with God, some that call themselves Reverend that advocate the silencing of Christians from any public place which prevents Christians from witnessing, and inviting atheists to speak from the pulpit to teach that there is no God and evolution is the only truth. Unfortunately there are many that are buying into these falsehoods and many, many more.

What is the answer to this problem? We must put on the whole armor of Christ Jesus. We must be prepared to answer every person that asks us of the truth. How do we do that? We must study the word of God, we must prepare ourselves with God's answers and not those of ours or the world.

There is an excellent Bible Study area here on this forum yet very few people are seen participating in it. I am not pointing any finger at just one person or small group of people. This is seen on many forums and in many churches. People go to church once or twice a week then totally ignore God's word the rest of the time. Many have never opened their Bibles let alone truly studied from them.

As such we see many Christians that remain ignorant to the wisdom and knowledge of God and His word. They end up swaying to and fro in the wind following every new thing that comes along that is taught from the pulpit. After all the person behind the pulpit supposedly has studied the word of God and they wouldn't lie to me .... or would they? (Jud 1:4)

I have heard so many excuses, I don't have time, I have to work, I have a large family ... the list goes on. These same people can tell you exactly what happened on their favorite TV shows everyday. Some of them can tell you exactly what the neighbors have been doing and plenty of time to make sure that those things are spread to everyone they meet. There are others that spend a lot of time sitting in coffee houses talking of anything but God's word.

We face some very trouble filled times. It is of the utmost importance that we are prepared for them, to spread the word so that others will not suffer the horrible consequences of not knowing. Take the time today to study the word with family or friends. Use family time for study time, use that time at the coffee house with friends or spend a few minutes each night before going to bed. There is always time for the Lord. After all our time should belong to Him.


1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.


2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


I Pet 3:16 now that is good preaching.. thank you pastor Roger, if i keep myself in the word  wich i do,(It is my life) not because of me  but because i was called to do so they can do whatever they want it does not affect me ,my pride maybe but that is leaving pretty much too,,the Holy Spirit is taking care of that .,it is hard learning blow by blow by my God is always there.Just follow Jesus that was my comand.so I do..in Jesus Def ..i am going to try to send you a hug now..,,,Rejection toke me in the bossom of the father forevermore never alone "Hiddenwith Jesus in God  Col 3:3.. ;) :)


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Maryjane on August 24, 2007, 12:25:01 AM
Paul wrote to Timothy when he was in a roman cell...He instructed Timothy to endure and to stay in the word...To know the word and to apply it daily is very important in these times when ther are so many religions and false teachings even among the elect...the only answer is to stay in the word that we will not be deceived...


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Def on August 24, 2007, 12:57:24 PM
Paul wrote to Timothy when he was in a roman cell...He instructed Timothy to endure and to stay in the word...To know the word and to apply it daily is very important in these times when ther are so many religions and false teachings even among the elect...the only answer is to stay in the word that we will not be deceived...
Word by Word inthe Word.one moment at the time in Jesus name.Def.


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Faithin1 on August 25, 2007, 09:30:00 PM
Lately, they seem to be coming out of the woodwork.  It is astonishing there are so many so-called Christians who have fallen for this deception. 

I can't think of the guys name, but there is someone from Puerto Rico who has a huge following in Miami.  He claims to be Christ, and is nothing but an evil blasphemer.  Some members of his congregation have given him all of their money.  He walks around wearing Rolex watches, diamond rings, drives a Rolls Royce, smokes cigars and cigarettes, drinks liquor, and is a womanizer.  Pure evil destined for hell!  >:(


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 25, 2007, 10:15:37 PM
I believe that his name is Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda. He teaches indulgence, there is no sin, no devil and no hell. There is also an Arab person called Maitreya that first appeared in 1988 in Nairobi that is being accepted by Buddhists and some muslims as being Christ, the ninth Buddha or the Mahdi depending on their own beliefs. Benjamin Creme and Benny Hinn have both proclaimed him the messiah. There is another couple, Lord Sananda & Lady Master Magda, that claim to be the reincarnated Jesus and Mary.

There are many others that are coming out of the woodwork that are also making these claims. We have even had a few that have come here on the forum before.



Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Faithin1 on August 25, 2007, 11:21:09 PM
That's him, Pastor Roger.  He even looks evil.  Benny Hinn is indeed a charlatan, and whenever he comes on TV I immediately turn the channel.  He is a despicable character, but unfortunately he has quite a following.


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: nChrist on August 26, 2007, 02:32:32 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

The Power and Knowledge of GOD'S WORD can help Christians to discern the TRUTH very quickly in many cases. However, this requires regular study of GOD'S WORD.

Some of the incidents in this thread are perfect examples. Christians should know about the next two times that people on this earth will see JESUS CHRIST.

1 - In the clouds to RAPTURE HIS CHURCH HOME to Glory.

2 - At HIS SECOND COMING in Great and Righteous WRATH.

Yes, we do have all kinds of weirdos coming out of the woodwork, and NONE of them are CHRIST. In fact, they are the opposite of CHRIST.

I did leave out the fact that individual Christians who physically die are "absent from the body and present with the LORD."
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It's sickening to think that some cheap, snake-oil salesmen are claiming to be all kinds of things and using the HOLY NAME of GOD to make money. I can't remember which television clown claimed that CHRIST HIMSELF was going to appear with him on television, but anyone who knows Bible basics should know this is a lie. JESUS has already told us how HE will come, so those who believe these snake-oil salesmen are completely ignorant of the Holy Bible. We are to measure these people with the Holy Bible and know the TRUTH about them. Everything we need is already in the Bible, but there is a requirement that we study it and become Strong in the LORD.

By ourselves, we are humans, frail, and easily subject to deception. The SAME IS NOT TRUE if we are Strong IN CHRIST! This strength isn't of us, rather of CHRIST and the knowledge of GOD'S WORD. For those who really are Strong in CHRIST, there isn't any bragging about self. ALL GLORY is IN CHRIST! I said something about bragging because I tried to watch a couple of snake-oil salesmen on television recently. Their names aren't important. I'll simply say that they were trying to glorify themselves and each other - NOT CHRIST, and their main purpose appeared to be money. Great hosts are being deceived and they have money rolling out of their pockets.

YES - we do need to put on the "Whole Armor of GOD", and that does require some effort on our part. Our instant, drive-thru, microwave society won't work in this area.


Love In Christ,
Tom

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Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Shammu on August 26, 2007, 05:22:01 AM
Bible Prophecy describes, in amazing detail, what will take place before the return actually happens. There is much written about people leading people astray, but nothing about The Bible, God's Word, leading people astray. The Bible explains, very clearly, a sequence of events which will occur before Christ's return, and when Christ does return, it will done in a way that no physical human could accomplish. Those who ignore or disbelieve what the Bible plainly says are leaving themselves wide open to great and tragic deception.

The Bible warns us not to follow men (Jeremiah 17:5, Psalm 118:8 ), but to test what all leaders teach with scripture (1 John 4:1, Acts 17:11).

Deuteronomy 13:3, God says that He will test us with false prophets to see if we truly love Him, "You shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul."

God Gives Us A Simple Test To Try Prophets To See If They Are Actually Speaking For God.  If Their Prophecy Fails, God Did Not Send Them:


Deuteronomy 18:20-22 "But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.  And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?  When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

False teachers and their teachings have always posed a danger to those in the household of faith (and those outside as well). After Israel’s exodus from Egypt, God warned that false prophets would arise:

Deuteronomy 13:1-5
“If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall follow the LORD your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him. 5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the LORD your God who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, to seduce you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from among you”

False prophets did arise throughout the history of Israel (1 Kings 22:1-12; Isaiah 9:15; 28:7; Jeremiah 5:31; 6:13; 23:1-40; Ezekiel 13:3-4).

The Lord Jesus also warned of false prophets (Matthew 7:15-23; 24:11-28).

The apostles also had much to say about false prophets and teachers (Acts 20:28-35; 2 Corinthians 11:3–12:13; Galatians 1:6-9; Philippians 3:1-2; Colossians 2:8-15; 1 Thessalonians 1:3-12; 1 Timothy 1:3-7; 6:3-5; 2 Timothy 2:14-26; 3:2-8, 13; 4:14-18; Titus 1:10-16; 3:9-11; 1 John 2:18-29; 3:2-12; 4:1-6; 2 John 7-11; 3 John 9-10; Jude).

In the first three verses of chapter 2, Peter begins to describe the false teachers who will arise. We must look carefully at his words, for such “wolves” as these will arise among us as well.

First, Peter strongly infers that we should regard anyone who claims to be a “prophet” as a false prophet. False prophets arose in earlier days, and we should expect false teachers to arise in our day. Why this switch from “false prophets” to “false teachers” in verse 1? The reason is evident from Peter’s teaching in chapter 1. The apostles were raised up as God’s instruments to record God’s full and final revelation in Christ. They saw the power and glory of the resurrected Lord. Their writings were superintended by the Holy Spirit, who caused them to remember all that the Lord had taught while He was with them. Their prophecies, like those of the Old Testament prophets, are thus a “more sure word of prophecy” which provides sufficient light for us until the coming of our Lord (1:19). Paul was the last of the prophets whose writings are also inspired and authoritative (3:14-16). Since these original apostles have accomplished their appointed task, no further prophets are required:

Hebrews 2:1-4 For this reason we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away [from it.] 2 For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense, 3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those who heard, 4 God also bearing witness with them, both by signs and wonders and by various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit according to His own will

Second, Peter teaches us to expect false teachers to arise. Although the need for prophets has ceased, the need for teachers of the Scriptures continues. Among those who teach, we should expect some to be false teachers. They hold a Bible in their hands and tell us they are teaching the Scriptures, but their teaching is false. Their interpretation has not come from the Holy Spirit but from their own will (see 1:20-21). False teachers are no mere possibility; they are likely, and we must be watchful so we are not led astray by them. Our knowledge of Old Testament history should prepare us to be on guard against false teachers, for they will surely arise.

Third, Peter teaches us to expect false teachers to arise from within the church as well as from without. In Old Testament times, false prophets arose “among the people” (verse 1). So also in our time, false teachers will arise “among us” (literally “among you,” verse 1). It is easy to identify false teachers in other religions or in liberal or apostate churches. It is relatively easy to expect false teachers to arise from without. But Peter tells us they will also arise from within the community of believers, from within our own church. This same warning comes from Paul in the Book of Acts where he admonishes the elders of the Ephesian church:

Acts 20:28-32
“Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of three years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears. 32 And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build [you] up and to give [you] the inheritance among all those who are sanctified”

Fourth, the teaching of these false teachers is destructive to the teachers and to all who follow their teaching and practice. Peter calls the teaching of the false teachers “destructive heresies,” which will “bring swift destruction upon themselves” (verse 1). Their judgment is not “idle” nor is it “asleep” (verse 3).

Fifth, false teachers bring reproach upon true saints and the church of our Lord Jesus Christ. Because of these impostors, “the way of truth will be maligned,” Peter says. We suffer from the presence of false teachers. “How?” you might ask. We suffer because these false teachers seek to gain status and recognition by identifying themselves as true saints and associating with true believers. In 1 Peter, we were instructed that unbelievers can be expected to react against the righteousness of the saints because they are threatened by it (1 Peter 4:1-4). We are to expect to be maligned for doing what is right (1 Peter 2:12, 15, 20). When the sin of false teachers is exposed, the unrighteous may almost delight in lumping all professing Christians together so that we are wrongly associated with the folly of fraudulent saints.

David Koresh is but one example of how this can happen. Koresh was not orthodox. One could hardly call him Christian (whether he or his followers did or not). While the evangelical community looked upon Koresh and his followers as a cult, the secular press has not been so discerning. Those who like to use the excuse, “The church is full of hypocrites,” see little difference between Koresh and his followers and mainstream evangelicalism. They leap at the opportunity to find a reason to ridicule us and reject our faith.

Sixth, these false teachers are not always readily apparent. False teachers certainly do not represent themselves as those who make a false profession of faith. They rise up as those who are one with us in Christ. As Jesus warned, they come as “wolves in sheep’s clothing” (Matthew 7:15). They carry out their ministry in Jesus’ name, and they are just as surprised at being called unbelievers as we are when we realize they do not share a “like precious faith” with us:

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Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Shammu on August 26, 2007, 05:30:47 AM
Matthew 7:15-23 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn [bushes,] nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits. 21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS’“

Our Lord’s words here indicate that we dare not attempt to distinguish false teachers from the true merely on the basis of their ability to perform mighty works. A true prophet need not perform great works. Such was John the Baptist, a prophet without mighty works but with mighty words (John 10:41). If a prophet declares that something will happen, and it does not, then he is a false prophet (see Deuteronomy 18:20-22). But the ability to perform great works does not prove one to be a prophet. His doctrine must also conform to the Word of God (Deuteronomy 13:1-5). Jesus teaches that the “fruit” which distinguishes false teachers from the true is not just their mighty deeds. We must also take careful note of the fruit of their own character and that of their followers.

Seventh, false teachers can be identified by their morals and their motives. False teachers are driven by their own lusts rather than led by the Holy Spirit.46 Greed motivates their ministry—not grace (verse 3). They do not seek to give sacrificially to others; they seek to gain from others. They do not seek to edify others but to exploit them (verse 3). Their life is one of sensuality (verse 2), not true spirituality. More details will be given about the character and conduct of false teachers as Peter develops his argument in chapter 2. The false teachers of whom Peter writes are self-centered, self-serving, and self-indulgent (verse 10, 12-14). Worse yet, they are lost (verses 4-6, 12, 17-22; see Jude 4, 7-8, 12-13, 15, 19).

Eighth, false teachers can be recognized by their methods. When false teachers “arise,” their heresies are “secretly introduced” (verse 1). They “creep in unnoticed” (Jude 4). These false teachers are devious and deceptive, not wishing to be known for what they are. In some cases, they do not even recognize their own condition. They not only deceive, they are themselves deceived (2 Timothy 3:13; see 2 Peter 2:13). They rely on slick methods rather than on the Spirit of God and appeal to the lusts of the flesh (compare 1 Corinthians 2; 2 Corinthians 2:17; 4:1-2).

Ninth, false teachers can be recognized by their message. False teachers deny the truth and deal in error. The “way of truth” is maligned, and their words are false (verses 2 and 3). Their doctrines are heresies which are “destructive,” while the truth leads to “life and godliness” (1:3). They claim to teach the Word of God, but they actually twist and distort the Scriptures so their interpretations justify their lifestyle and their lusts (see 3:16).

The false teachers speak of “Jesus,” but it is a “Jesus” of their own making, a “Jesus” with whom sinful men feel comfortable and affirmed. They wish to follow and imitate such a person, but they deny the real Jesus, substituting a more palatable Jesus. So it is that false teachers gain a following by tickling the ears of those who will not have the real “Jesus.”

How do false teachers arise? Peter does not tell us exactly, but we can suggest some ways false teachers might arise so that our Lord and Master is denied. First, they distort the emphasis of Scripture. They emphasize the “acceptable” aspects of our Lord’s nature and mission, while minimizing or denying those aspects of His being and ministry which sinful men find offensive. One can always point to Jesus as “our example” with little chance of being ill-treated for doing so.

Second, false teachers can deny Jesus by narrowing the field of maladies for which the cross of Christ provides the solution. In evangelical circles, the cross is still the solution for our sin and guilt. But it seems to be inadequate for our “addictions,” of which there are many with more being added daily to the list. Many of the problems we once thought were spiritual are now considered psychological, and thus they must be solved by “trained specialists” rather than by simply being cleansed by the shed blood of our Savior.

Finally, from the Old Testament, and New Testament.

Old Testament

The aim of all false prophets is to turn people away from obeying the commandments of Yahweh the Almighty God of Israel. False prophets will do numerous and stunning signs and wonders to achieve this aim. These verses are just a few of the many.

Deut.13:1-5  If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

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Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Shammu on August 26, 2007, 05:31:53 AM
New Testament
It is unlikely that a false prophet will openly admit to being false. Instead he will pose as a true minister of the Almighty. He will come as a 'wolf in sheep's clothing:' and will do many miracles in order to deceive the human race - even 'the very elect - if possible'
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

No student of Bible prophecy will doubt but that we are living in the last days of the Age of Grace,  just prior to the Saviour's return.

So now, the question is…. How can you recognize a false teacher/false prophet?

Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 25:24-25; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18).

To best guard yourself against falsehood, know the truth. To spot a counterfeit, study the real thing. Any believer who, “rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15), makes a careful study of the Bible can identify false doctrine. For example, a believer who has read the activities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16-17 will immediately question any doctrine that denies the Trinity. Therefore, “step one” is to study the Bible and judge all teaching by what the scripture says.

Jesus said “a tree is known by his fruit” (Matthew 12:33). When looking for “fruit,” here are three specific tests to apply to any teacher to determine the accuracy of his or her teaching:

What does this teacher say about Jesus? In Matthew 16:15, Jesus asks, “Whom say ye that I am?” Peter answers, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,” and for this answer Peter is called “blessed.” In 2 John 9, we read, “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.” In other words, Jesus Christ and His work of redemption is of utmost importance; beware anyone who denies that Jesus is equal with God, who downplays Jesus’ substitutionary death, or who rejects Jesus’ humanity. First John 2:22 says, “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.”

Does this teacher preach the gospel? The gospel is defined as the good news concerning Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection, according to the scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). As nice as they sound, the statements “God loves you,” “God wants us to feed the hungry,” and “God wants you to be wealthy” are NOT the complete message of the gospel. As Paul warns in Galatians:

Galatians 1:9 “There be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.” No one, not even a great preacher, has the right to change the message that God gave us. “If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed”.

Does this teacher exhibit character qualities that glorify the Lord? Speaking of false teachers, Jude 11 says, “They have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.” In other words, a false teacher can be known by his pride (Cain’s rejection of God’s plan), greed (Balaam’s prophesying for money), and rebellion (Korah’s promotion of himself over Moses)..


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: ibTina on August 26, 2007, 11:53:42 AM
John 10 4-5

"And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.  And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him, for they know not the voice of strangers."


Brothers and Sisters,  This here speaks the TRUTH... We His sheep will know when He is here/comes again!


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 26, 2007, 12:15:56 PM
Amen, that we will. Unfortunately many others will not and will be lead astray in the meantime.



Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Def on August 26, 2007, 05:23:52 PM
Yes sister Tina Hi! how are you..once you hear the Sound of His voice .you follow Him ,those who have ears for Him   hear the sound..what a beautiful sound' ` peace that no one can take away, a wisper of love and tenderness ,truth, and direction" come and follow me" well i am His sheep and i follow Him.
 :o""Know that the LORD, He is God;
IT is He who has made us,
and not we ourselves;
We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.(Psalm 100:3) :o
good night Tina and every one..+¸+


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Maryjane on August 27, 2007, 01:04:04 AM
I am just so glad the Lord is coming again.. and that I will see him...until then...to stay in Hs word..apply it daily..and to endure to the end...


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: nChrist on August 27, 2007, 11:12:49 AM
Amen And Amen!

Brothers and Sisters, the value of the full-strength WORD of GOD can't be overstated. We've had thousands of false prophets and false teachers over the last several hundred years. Some of them absolutely amaze me because they were identified and proven as false over and over again, but their congregations didn't throw them out or go elsewhere.

If there is 100% proof that a prophecy didn't come true, there is also 100% proof that a false prophet gave the prophecy. One would think this should be more than enough for a person with common sense to say, "We've been lied to, and GOD doesn't lie?" So, why didn't the manufactured religions of people like Ellen G. White and Joseph Smith just die and cease to exist? I don't have a clue, because both made many prophecies that never happened.

Brothers and sisters, I feel very bad for people who have been deceived, and I think that Christians should pray for them every day. Many of them are stuck in horrible cults that require all kinds of weird things, including many things that are illegal and immoral. The sad thing is that they think they are doing what GOD wants them to, but it's just a man or woman play-acting. I mentioned women because many of the false, self-proclaimed prophets and teachers these days are women.

Those who don't measure self-proclaimed prophets and teachers with the Holy Bible are many times even led to mass suicide, lost and in their sins. Or, maybe these people stay in the cult or false religion for a lifetime and still die lost in their sins.  This is very sad, and it's cruel to withhold the TRUTH from them. We might get discouraged because there are so few times that we become aware of helping someone escape from a cult or false religion. BUT, we should remember that GOD promised HIS WORD would never return void. GOD'S WORD keeps working long after we share it, and we might never know how GOD eventually used it. GOD'S Promise should be more than enough to keep us encouraged and sharing.


Love In Christ,
Tom

Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable GIFT, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Forever!


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 02, 2007, 04:16:38 PM
Niagara Falls prophesied
as site of Second Coming
'The revival of Jesus Christ will start right here'
in 2014, says carpenter known as Prophet Isaiah

The Second Coming of Christ will occur in Niagara Falls, Isaiah Robertson believes.

“The revival of Jesus Christ will start right here,” he said. “God said he would take his glory from one of the wonders of the world — and that wonder is Niagara Falls.”

Millions of Christians believe in the Second Coming of Christ, in which the Christian savior will return to earth for a final judgment of both the living and the dead.

According to the Old Testament prophecy, “I will show wonders in the heaven and in the earth: blood and fire and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord.”

Robertson has his own personal take on how things will unfold and has turned his city home, yard and church into symbols of his faith.

“Niagara Falls is a holy place, like Jerusalem,” he said. “The sound of the water going over the falls is the voice of God.”

At the second coming, Robertson believes, the water at the base of the falls will turn into a “lake of fire.”

Three Sisters Islands will be the judgment seat of Jesus, said Robertson, also known by some as Prophet Isaiah, and Goat Island will be where he will separate the sheep, his followers, from the goats, who are rejected in the judgment.

“There will be two ways to go,” he said, “left into the ring of fire or right into eternal salvation.”

People who believe in Jesus will go right, and nonbelievers will go left.

Robertson expects this to happen in 2014. He has erected a 20-foot-tall wooden cross in front of his house on Ontario Avenue to symbolize the Second Coming of Christ.

Before that event, however, total war lasting three years — Armageddon — will break out in the Middle East.

“Millions will die because God is preparing for the rapture,” he said, referring to the ascent to heaven of Christian believers.

The followers of Jesus will be carried away to safety, while those still on earth will face the period of tribulation — seven years of worldwide pestilence, famine and death.

“This world is not our home,” Robertson said. “We are just passing through.”

Robertson’s own home is adorned with religious symbolism, inside and outside. Small rock gardens in the front yard, containing painted stones and thousands of colored beads, represent a variety of biblical prophesies, including the kingdom of heaven and the fire and brimstone of hell.

Robertson, a carpenter by trade, recently spent two years carving intricate designs on the wooden walls of Mount Erie Baptist Church on nearby Fairfield Avenue to illustrate stories from the Bible and symbolize Christian beliefs.

A sign at the side of his house carries this inscription from Luke 17:26: “And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of coming of the son of the living God.” At the bottom of the inscription is his name, Prophet Isaiah, and his telephone number: (716) 282-2994.

The centerpiece of Robertson’s holy home is the handcarved oak cross.

Curious motorists and tourists have been stopping to be photographed next to the cross, he said.

“This cross is straight from God,” Robertson said. “It’s not man’s work. This cross is telling you that the coming of the Lord is at hand. If you walk away from this cross and don’t accept Christ, then you’re lost forever.”


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Maryjane on November 02, 2007, 05:04:28 PM
There is so much to be done before His coming..I do not know when and maybe never will until that day..but..until then..I pray the Lord will find me faithful..


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: nChrist on November 02, 2007, 05:29:46 PM
There is so much to be done before His coming..I do not know when and maybe never will until that day..but..until then..I pray the Lord will find me faithful..

Amen Maryjane,

That's the best advice for all of us. We need to remember that we are never alone. GOD is with us and in us. When we are weak - HE is strong. We can and should get our day to day strength and encouragement from HIM and HIS WORD. HIS WORD will endure forever, and there is no power stronger than HE is. It's a Promise from GOD that no power can pluck us out of HIS Mighty Hands.

John 10:27-28 NASB
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 NASB
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Littleboy on November 02, 2007, 06:02:59 PM
I'm Glad I'm smart(knowledge of Gods Word) enough, NOT too follow the Jim Jones & David Koresh's of the world!

It's funny how people become the things they preach against:"FALSE PROPHET"
"The Second Coming of Christ will occur in Niagara Falls, Isaiah Robertson believes."?
OUGH BOY!
OH, I'm sure there'll be someone who believe it!

Someone else who has'nt read the complete word of God...
WE all know when the Lord comes back with his Saints, the 1st place he set's foot is on the Mt.
and the ground splits and moves the graves that have put their so he can't pass(nice try)and it will open the East Gate that has been sealed up...
That's what I've understood the scriptures to say anyhow and unless someone can show me some Scripture that say's otherwise? I'm sticking to what God has shown me...
P.S
Not to say that the Revival of America could'nt start there though..
 Anywhere will be fine with me!
I just hope it hurries up and happens....
Your Loving Brother Duane


 



Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Shammu on November 02, 2007, 06:23:05 PM
Theres been a bunch of them lately but, Christ warned  us about them coming.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Littleboy on November 02, 2007, 06:49:30 PM
AMEN Brother,
Thats one of the reasons i feel so blessed,
I know if they took my Bible from me, that His words Live within me!
And I am far too beyond from being able too be moved from his Words or deceived by any
Man, NOT even "That AntiChrist" can fool me, I know too much about him  for him to fool me...
I Praise God that he Loves us so Much!
WISE as a Serpent, Gentle as a Dove...

I take Pride in the Fact that I make Satan Hate me!
And you know he does, when a person is unmovable when it comes to Gods word...


 



Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Maryjane on November 02, 2007, 08:36:55 PM
People who sit under any teaching have to look up the scriptures for themselves..lack of knowledge is the cause for many who perish..Through study of the word one knows false teaching even the subtle that can sometimes be missed can be revealed in the light of God's word..


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Littleboy on November 02, 2007, 08:49:33 PM
AMEN!
My point exactly, Quit following the Jim Jones of the world & read it for yourself and you'll know a wolf when you see one...
Duane


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: nChrist on November 02, 2007, 08:57:41 PM
People who sit under any teaching have to look up the scriptures for themselves..lack of knowledge is the cause for many who perish..Through study of the word one knows false teaching even the subtle that can sometimes be missed can be revealed in the light of God's word..

Amen Maryjane,

That's what we all need to do on a regular basis. GOD'S WORD is more powerful than ever, and it will never be outdated. In fact, it will endure forever. It would be amazing how many of mankind's problems would be solved if everyone studied the Bible a couple of hours a day. We can look around us at all kinds of misery caused by not following GOD'S WORD. My wife and I were talking about this tonight and giving thanks for the blessings that GOD has showered on our family. Every day is Thanksgiving! - AND it should be! GOD'S Instructions to us are timeless, and we should judge all teaching and doctrine from the source - GOD'S WORD. In fact, I think that the best pastors want the people in the congregation to search the Scriptures for themselves and know whether he has told them the truth or not. The Bereans were considered to be "Noble" for doing just that. This is also a wonderful way to allow GOD to give you a strong foundation as a Christian. Knowledge of HIM definitely makes our "Joy More Full."

Colossians 1:9-12 NASB
For this reason also, since the day we heard of it, we have not ceased to pray for you and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.

Colossians 1:9-12 NASB
For this reason also, since the day we heard of it, we have not ceased to pray for you and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: nChrist on November 02, 2007, 09:11:56 PM
AMEN!
My point exactly, Quit following the Jim Jones of the world & read it for yourself and you'll know a wolf when you see one...
Duane


Amen Brother Duane,

I feel genuinely sorry for people who are lead astray - away from the GOSPEL and toward the teachings of men. This is not GOD'S Wishes for us. GOD wants for us to be strong in the Power of HIS MIGHT, but this takes work and effort on our part. The pastor can't do it in one hour a week regardless of how strong and dedicated he is. That would be like us eating one hour a week and expecting to be strong and healthy. It just doesn't work that way. GOD spreads a banquet of HIS Riches out before us, but HE doesn't make us partake. That's up to us. It's a shame that many of GOD'S Children suffer from Spiritual weakness and Spiritual illness. We need to feed our Spirit and know that it's Eternal.

Love In Christ,
Tom

2 Corinthians 3:14-18 NASB
But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

Romans 8:14-15 NASB
For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!"

Romans 8:26-28 NASB
In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: MusicMedic5150 on November 03, 2007, 01:12:49 PM
What saddens me is when you see hundreds of people sitting and praising televangelist like binny hinn. Giving these men and women their money. As far away from the flock as one can get. Deceived and fooled by a false teacher.


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: HisDaughter on November 03, 2007, 02:49:49 PM
I'm afraid that I have to agree that Benny Hinn is a phoney.
Grammyluv


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Shammu on November 03, 2007, 02:54:23 PM
I'm afraid that I have to agree that Benny Hinn is a phoney.
Grammyluv

Benny Hinn or Ben Hinnom? (http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=4004.0)

I agree Grammyluv, Benny Hinn is a false prophet.


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 03, 2007, 02:57:10 PM
Hi Littleboy,

Yes, we must be very careful who we listen to. There are many false prophets today and Benny Hinn is one of them. Listening to the wrong person may lead a person to a false Jesus. He has said many times "I prophecy ..." and those prophecies have failed. He also introduced a false Jesus called Lord Maitreya.

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=4004.0

You can do a search on the forum and see quite a bit about this Maitreya that Benny Hinn called the return of Jesus.



Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: HisDaughter on November 03, 2007, 03:30:08 PM
Benny Hinn or Ben Hinnom? (http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=4004.0)

I agree Grammyluv, Benny Hinn is a false prophet.

Nice you could get out of bed and join us!!  ;D ;D ;D
As I told Pastor Roger earlier, I've been up since 3AM and running amuck all over this place with no direction or supervision!  :o

I've also got a stew brewing in my crockpot and have cut out and made two pairs of pants for work!  Well I still have to hem them but I will do that after I take my Saturday Grammyluv nap like I'm fixin' to do right now!
Cheers!  See ya all when I get up!  :D


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: HisDaughter on November 03, 2007, 03:36:01 PM

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=4004.0

You can do a search on the forum and see quite a bit about this Maitreya that Benny Hinn called the return of Jesus.



I didn't know about this Maitreya.  I'll have to check it out after my nap.  Gettin' a little blurry-eyed right now.  Maybe Ol' Blackeyed Bart will have drug himself up by then too!  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Shammu on November 03, 2007, 03:39:34 PM
Nice you could get out of bed and join us!!  ;D ;D ;D
As I told Pastor Roger earlier, I've been up since 3AM and running amuck all over this place with no direction or supervision!  :o

I've also got a stew brewing in my crockpot and have cut out and made two pairs of pants for work!  Well I still have to hem them but I will do that after I take my Saturday Grammyluv nap like I'm fixin' to do right now!
Cheers!  See ya all when I get up!  :D

I've been at the hospital, most of the night (brat ;) ) and got released just a little while ago. :P


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Littleboy on November 03, 2007, 04:29:31 PM
Good Mornin Pastor,
I won't need to do any search on him,
I trust what's said by you & others on this matter...
Like i said or what I meant to say was, I just did'nt know enough about him to make that judgment for myself without fearing of Falsely accusing someone of God...
I've only watched parts of it a couple of times and had'nt seen all the stuff you are saying...
Nor do I or will I EVER follow ANY Earthly Man.
Your Loving Brother Duane
P.S
NOW that you have opened my eyes sumwhat to this man,
I can see he might be one of those that the Lord has spoken of:
Matt. 7:
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Please, know i was'nt trying to defend B. Hinn..


 




Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: HisDaughter on November 03, 2007, 06:20:59 PM
I've been at the hospital, most of the night (brat ;) ) and got released just a little while ago. :P

Oh!  That's a bummer.  Hope all is well with you and yours.
Maybe you needed that nap more than I did!  ;D


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: nChrist on November 03, 2007, 07:52:21 PM
Hello Dreamweaver,

Brother, I knew that you were hurting, and I've been offering prayer for you. I didn't know about the hospital. Many of us have spent considerable time in hospitals, and I haven't met anyone yet who likes them. Please take care of yourself and do what the doctor tells you. We'll all be praying for you.

In the meantime -

KEEP LOOKING UP!!
 


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: nChrist on November 03, 2007, 08:17:53 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

I rarely spend much time in trying to find out the whole truth about a specific ministry or preacher. It usually has to involve someone being harmed or taken advantage of - OR the OUTRAGEOUS! Benny Hinn involved all of the above and more, so I did get the specific information for myself so that I would know one way or another. What I found was shocking and highly documented, including audio and video of many specifics. I didn't want it to be a matter of opinion, especially considering that I don't want to talk badly about any ministry for the LORD.

Bluntly, I consider Benny Hinn to be a minister for the devil, and many of us left specific links on the forum for others to investigate and decide for themselves. THE CHRIST is most definitely NOT going to appear on Benny Hinn's show. Benny Hinn has spoken blasphemy against GOD from the pulpit, and that's just the start of a very lengthy list of things that GOD DOES NOT approve of. Benny Hinn will attempt to hide from GOD one day and it won't be possible. Benny Hinn is a false teacher and false prophet of the worst kind, and he has deceived many. This is spoken in love as a matter to investigate for the large numbers of people he is attempting to deceive. Please don't accept what I say as anything but an opinion. GET THE FACTS FOR YOURSELF - AND YOU DECIDE!


Love In Christ,
Tom

John 6:35-40 NASB
Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. "But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Littleboy on November 03, 2007, 08:35:55 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

I rarely spend much time in trying to find out the whole truth about a specific ministry or preacher. It usually has to involve someone being harmed or taken advantage of - OR the OUTRAGEOUS! Benny Hinn involved all of the above and more, so I did get the specific information for myself so that I would know one way or another. What I found was shocking and highly documented, including audio and video of many specifics. I didn't want it to be a matter of opinion, especially considering that I don't want to talk badly about any ministry for the LORD.

Bluntly, I consider Benny Hinn to be a minister for the devil, and many of us left specific links on the forum for others to investigate and decide for themselves. THE CHRIST is most definitely NOT going to appear on Benny Hinn's show. Benny Hinn has spoken blasphemy against GOD from the pulpit, and that's just the start of a very lengthy list of things that GOD DOES NOT approve of. Benny Hinn will attempt to hide from GOD one day and it won't be possible. Benny Hinn is a false teacher and false prophet of the worst kind, and he has deceived many. This is spoken in love as a matter to investigate for the large numbers of people he is attempting to deceive. Please don't accept what I say as anything but an opinion. GET THE FACTS FOR YOURSELF - AND YOU DECIDE!


Love In Christ,
Tom

John 6:35-40 NASB
Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. "But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

Thank You & May God Bless You Always Brother Tom for what you do....
I Pray all is well with Dreamweaver
Your Loving Brother Duane


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Eva on November 03, 2007, 09:58:28 PM

Bluntly, I consider Benny Hinn to be a minister for the devil, and many of us left specific links on the forum for others to investigate and decide for themselves. THE CHRIST is most definitely NOT going to appear on Benny Hinn's show. Benny Hinn has spoken blasphemy against GOD from the pulpit, and that's just the start of a very lengthy list of things that GOD DOES NOT approve of. Benny Hinn will attempt to hide from GOD one day and it won't be possible. Benny Hinn is a false teacher and false prophet of the worst kind, and he has deceived many. This is spoken in love as a matter to investigate for the large numbers of people he is attempting to deceive. Please don't accept what I say as anything but an opinion. GET THE FACTS FOR YOURSELF - AND YOU DECIDE![/b]

I agree about Benny Hinn. He is definitely a false teacher and false prophet working for satan himself.  I am not familiar enough with CU to know about the specific links on this website, but here is one I came across recently.  http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/tbn.htm

God's word says in Luke 21:8  And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

He also says in 1 John 4:1  Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

That's why it is so important to be grounded in the Word of God. 

Love in Christ, Eva


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: nChrist on November 04, 2007, 01:26:32 AM
Quote
I agree about Benny Hinn. He is definitely a false teacher and false prophet working for satan himself.  I am not familiar enough with CU to know about the specific links on this website, but here is one I came across recently.  http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/tbn.htm

God's word says in Luke 21:8  And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

He also says in 1 John 4:1  Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

That's why it is so important to be grounded in the Word of God.

Love in Christ, Eva

Amen Sister Eva!

Sister, that's a good link you gave us. Everything they have is backed up with evidence. We've had some users in the past who were so taken with Benny Hinn that they accused us and others of fabricating things against him. It was very sad, especially considering that what was done by Benny Hinn was done in the presence of many thousands and televised to millions. Increasingly, this is a handy thing for false prophets and false teachers to do - EVERYTHING WAS FABRICATED. I guess that many bought it, even the ones there in person to hear it. I'm convinced that strange things happen to people who are captured and brainwashed for an appropriate period of time. It's more than just they want to believe their master, and their master isn't GOD - I repeat NOT GOD! If they've been snared good enough, it takes more than their own will to escape. There are many examples of mass suicide to look at. We don't know what it would have taken to rescue them, but I am absolutely certain that the Real GOD - ALMIGHTY GOD - is much more powerful than the devil and his forces of darkness.

There are many people who don't believe in GOD or the devil, and they are probably laughing at us right now. Sooner or later, they will know that both exist and are quite real.


Love In Christ,
Tom

KEEP LOOKING UP!!


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Littleboy on November 04, 2007, 01:04:35 AM
Amen Sister Eva!

Sister, that's a good link you gave us. Everything they have is backed up with evidence. We've had some users in the past who were so taken with Benny Hinn that they accused us and others of fabricating things against him. It was very sad, especially considering that what was done by Benny Hinn was done in the presence of many thousands and televised to millions. Increasingly, this is a handy thing for false prophets and false teachers to do - EVERYTHING WAS FABRICATED. I guess that many bought it, even the ones there in person to hear it. I'm convinced that strange things happen to people who are captured and brainwashed for an appropriate period of time. It's more than just they want to believe their master, and their master isn't GOD - I repeat NOT GOD! If they've been snared good enough, it takes more than their own will to escape. There are many examples of mass suicide to look at. We don't know what it would have taken to rescue them, but I am absolutely certain that the Real GOD - ALMIGHTY GOD - is much more powerful than the devil and his forces of darkness.

There are many people who don't believe in GOD or the devil, and they are probably laughing at us right now. Sooner or later, they will know that both exist and are quite real.


Love In Christ,
Tom

KEEP LOOKING UP!!

Yes Sister Eva,
Thank You for the link:
I'm going to delete my earlier reply about him, it sounds to much like I'm trying to defending the Guy,
And I don't want that...
A Loving Brother Duane


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: HisDaughter on November 04, 2007, 08:39:33 AM

There are many people who don't believe in GOD or the devil, and they are probably laughing at us right now. Sooner or later, they will know that both exist and are quite real.[/b]

Love In Christ,
Tom

KEEP LOOKING UP!!

I was thinking about this just this morning before I jumped on here.  I'm not sure that I believe folks are really atheists.  God put a knowledge of Him and the desire to "worship" in each and every one of us.  I think that to proclaim they are atheists, in their minds, gives them the licence to live without Him and do what ever it is that they want, that is outside of God's will.  Does this make sense?


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 04, 2007, 08:56:44 AM
I do agree that God does "put a knowledge of Him and the desire to "worship" in each and every one of us." Many of those that are acclaimed atheists have blocked that out, using their own wisdom and information from false teachers to convince themselves that God does not exist (blinded). Most atheists will go to great lengths to argue against the existence of God (rebellious nature).



Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: HisDaughter on November 04, 2007, 09:11:43 AM
Yes.  Thank you Pastor Roger.  That is what I was trying to get at.  ::)
Slept in a bit today, after getting up at 3AM yesterday!  Need COFFEE!  ;D
But yes.  I have a brother that is a compulsive liar.  He will tell himself the lie so often until he finally believes it as truth.  I think it's the same thing with these folks.
But I still wonder, if in their "alone" time what they think about it.
Of course it is beyond me how anyone could not know that God is GOD.  :D


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: nChrist on November 04, 2007, 09:36:45 AM
Yes Sister Eva,
Thank You for the link:
I'm going to delete my earlier reply about him, it sounds to much like I'm trying to defending the Guy,
And I don't want that...
A Loving Brother Duane

Hello Brother Duane,

Please don't worry about this. Lot's of people simply don't know, and there's no way that any of us could know about all of the preachers, ministries, books, films, etc. We share a lot of things here, and that's part of our fellowship. I found out that I didn't know much about what they call "New Age" recently, and that's a pretty broad category involving quite a few preachers and ministries. I think that it would be impossible to keep up with all of man's tags and labels these days.

I firmly believe that all Christians should spend as much time as possible every day studying GOD'S WORD. We should also pray that GOD helps us to understand before we study and ask HIM for HIS Strength. We must remember that it's HIS WISDOM from HIS WORD that we're asking for and HIS Strength. GOD gets all of the Glory.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Colossians 1:9-12 NASB
For this reason also, since the day we heard of it, we have not ceased to pray for you and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: nChrist on November 04, 2007, 10:04:34 AM
I was thinking about this just this morning before I jumped on here.  I'm not sure that I believe folks are really atheists.  God put a knowledge of Him and the desire to "worship" in each and every one of us.  I think that to proclaim they are atheists, in their minds, gives them the licence to live without Him and do what ever it is that they want, that is outside of God's will.  Does this make sense?

Good Morning Grammyluv,

Sister, I've wondered about this many times. I think that Pastor Roger gave you a good answer. If someone acknowledges GOD, they would also have to acknowledge that HE must be in charge. That would mean that they are no longer free to believe whatever they want to or do whatever they want to. It would also mean there are obligations outside of their own will, and that wouldn't be convenient or pleasant for many people. This would boil down to what Pastor Roger said, "man's rebellious nature". This is one reason why anarchists are many times strong atheists. Someone is always their boss if they want to work or eat, so their own arguments are pretty silly. Some actually think that they are intellectually superior because they don't believe in GOD. This is really sad and not logical at all, but they are so full of themselves that they are blinded.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 5:12-14 NASB
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned -- for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: HisDaughter on November 04, 2007, 10:10:50 AM
Good Morning Grammyluv,

Sister, I've wondered about this many times. I think that Pastor Roger gave you a good answer. If someone acknowledges GOD, they would also have to acknowledge that HE must be in charge. That would mean that they are no longer free to believe whatever they want to or do whatever they want to. It would also mean there are obligations outside of their own will, and that wouldn't be convenient or pleasant for many people. This would boil down to what Pastor Roger said, "man's rebellious nature". This is one reason why anarchists are many times strong atheists. Someone is always their boss if they want to work or eat, so their own arguments are pretty silly. Some actually think that they are intellectually superior because they don't believe in GOD. This is really sad and not logical at all, but they are so full of themselves that they are blinded.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 5:12-14 NASB
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned -- for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Exactly.  And isn't it amazing that many of the atheists are people in high positions, like college professors and such!  Overly educated fools is what I call them.

By the way, good to see you here this morning.  Missed you yesterday!  I see you were up late last night so I'm a bit surprised to see you here already this morning!


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 04, 2007, 10:24:14 AM
Exactly.  And isn't it amazing that many of the atheists are people in high positions, like college professors and such!  Overly educated fools is what I call them.

That is a sad situation because it is people such as this that are teaching the younger ones and leading them in the wrong way.



Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: nChrist on November 04, 2007, 10:47:33 AM
Exactly.  And isn't it amazing that many of the atheists are people in high positions, like college professors and such!  Overly educated fools is what I call them.

By the way, good to see you here this morning.  Missed you yesterday!  I see you were up late last night so I'm a bit surprised to see you here already this morning!

Sister,

I rarely ever miss a day, but it is many times the middle of the night. I'm one of those people who sleeps when they can. When I can't sleep, I work on the forum, and several moderators are the same way. It actually turns out to be pretty good because of problems that can happen during the night.

I was here yesterday, just at a different time than you were. In fact, I wondered where everyone was, but I guessed that they were sleeping.   ;)  We do have some folks from the other side of the world on during the middle of the night, but I have to remember that it's daytime for them. I'm sure that they many times wonder where everyone is.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 3:19-28 NASB
Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.


Title: Unitarians embark on outreach
Post by: Shammu on November 05, 2007, 10:21:36 PM
Unitarians embark on outreach

Association tries to raise national profile for first time with ad campaign

08:56 AM CDT on Saturday, November 3, 2007

From Wire Reports

Proud of their liberal views, spiritual skepticism and religious diversity – counting atheists, neopagans and Buddhists in their ranks – Unitarian Universalists are not known as heavy-duty evangelizers.

But with just 250,000 members and growth relatively stagnant at 1 percent a year, the Unitarian Universalist Association is trying to raise its national profile with an unorthodox ad campaign, the first in its 46-year history.

"We've kept our light under a bushel," said the Rev. Tracey Robinson-Harris, the association's director of congregational services. "I think this current national campaign really does reflect a shift for us in our passion and willingness to be more present."
Message, meaning

The ad campaign, in conjunction with Time magazine, hopes to amplify the church's voice on national issues, increase name recognition and inspire pride in the Unitarian Universalist identity.

It's not a reaction to the religious right, necessarily, but an effort to provide "messages that the world desperately needs right now," Ms. Robinson-Harris said. "We are speaking up on behalf of a more tolerant, more affirming approach to the diversity of religious perspective in the world."

Although rooted in Christianity, the only creed within Unitarian Universalism is that there is no creed. Instead, congregations adhere to seven principles, including "a free and responsible search for truth and meaning." They draw on texts from various religions, science and literature.

In recent years, several mainline denominations have introduced ad campaigns. In 2004, the United Church of Christ's "God is still speaking" television ads were booted from major networks as "too controversial." In 2001 the United Methodist Church launched its "Open Hearts, Open Minds, Open Doors" campaign; an independent study indicated that people who saw the ads were 47 percent more likely to have a positive impression of Methodists than those who had not seen it.

In Houston, a recent Unitarian Universalist campaign helped turn a 7 percent membership decline into an 8 percent increase over the course of a year.
New frontier with 'Time'

The $425,000 national ad campaign will run through the end of the year, but Ms. Robinson-Harris wasn't sure if it would continue into 2008.

Traditional print ads will run in Time, carrying the message: "Is God keeping you from going to church?" A more unusual component, "advertorials," debuted last week in Time.com/ReligionPages, an online archive of Time religion stories.

The online archive will feature only stories that focus on three areas the association chose: religion and science; religion in American democracy; and religion, sexuality and morality. Readers can click on links to a Web page with essays written by Unitarian Universalist ministers about these topics.

That idea hasn't been without controversy.

The Rev. Scott Wells, a Unitarian Universalist minister who is starting a church in Washington, D.C., said the advertorials blur the line between editorial content and advertising.

"If I was an outside reader ... I'd wonder, why wasn't a story written about Unitarian Universalists if they're so important or relevant? And I don't think I've ever seen another religious body stoop to an advertorial," he said.

A Time spokeswoman said it's the first time a religious organization has advertised in an online archive of Time stories and said the magazine has designed online sections that have been purchased by other advertisers. She said Time would consider working with other religious groups if approached.

Unitarians embark on outreach (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/religion/stories/DN-reluua_03met.ART.South.Edition1.429caf7.html)


Title: Re: Unitarians embark on outreach
Post by: Shammu on November 05, 2007, 10:22:39 PM
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Proud of their liberal views, spiritual skepticism and religious diversity – counting atheists, neopagans and Buddhists in their ranks – Unitarian Universalists are not known as heavy-duty evangelizers.

What does a church that believes in nothing have to offer?


Title: Re: False Christs, Prophets and Teachers
Post by: nChrist on November 05, 2007, 11:01:00 PM
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"We've kept our light under a bushel," said the Rev. Tracey Robinson-Harris, the association's director of congregational services. "I think this current national campaign really does reflect a shift for us in our passion and willingness to be more present."
Message, meaning

The ad campaign, in conjunction with Time magazine, hopes to amplify the church's voice on national issues, increase name recognition and inspire pride in the Unitarian Universalist identity.

WHAT LIGHT?  This is total darkness! All this could possibly accomplish is hasten someone's descent to the fires of hell. With this kind of help - who needs help?

See some real help below:


GOOD NEWS!

1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!


Title: Re: Unitarians embark on outreach
Post by: nChrist on November 05, 2007, 11:03:08 PM
What does a church that believes in nothing have to offer?

I can't think of a single thing except they will take your money if you let them.