Water Baptism Today - Get's Old, Huh?

[Brother Love]

Hi,

I just have one question for those who think that baptism is not salvific.  Why does Jesus ask us to be baptized?

Cheers
Therese

Real simple read the below verse:

John 1:31  And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

Here is the only purpose for water baptism in the whole Bible.  The Jew was told to believe that Jesus was the Messiah - if they believed that then to prove that they were to get baptized.

The issue in the gospels was, "Do you believe Jesus is your Messiah?".  If you did not believe Jesus was the Messiah then you would die in your sins:

John 8:24  I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

The issue today is not, "Is Jesus your Messiah but did Jesus die for YOUR sins."  

In Acts 2 the issue again was preached by Peter, "Jesus was your messiah and your murdered him - what are you going to do about it?"  He told them to repent (Of their rejection and murder of Jesus) get baptized (John 1:31) and they would get the Holy Ghost.

There it is - be careful not to take something meant for another people in another age dealing with a kingdom age message directed to Jews and apply it to me or others in this age of grace - thank you.

Have a nice day now

May God bless  

Yet another AMEN!!! AVBunyan, thanks Bro

Brother Love

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[Aussie Mum]

Another question for those who thinks it doesn't save us, why does it say in 1 Peter 3:20 -21 that it does?

[20] who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.
[21] Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

The bible says that Noah and his wife and children were saved through the water and now we are too, as baptism corresponds to this.

How can the bible say that baptism saves if it doesn't?

Cheers
Therese

[Brother Love]

Another question for those who thinks it doesn't save us, why does it say in 1 Peter 3:20 -21 that it does?

[20] who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.
[21] Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

The bible says that Noah and his wife and children were saved through the water and now we are too, as baptism corresponds to this.

How can the bible say that baptism saves if it doesn't?

Cheers
Therese

Noah and his family was on the Ark Not in the water Everyone in the water died

This Baptism was a dry one.

Just like Ephesians 4:5 with 1 Corinthians 12:13

Have a Nice Day

Brother Love

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Brother Love

[Aussie Mum]

Brother love,

What is a dry baptism?  I have never heard of anyone receiving a dry baptism?

Here are the bible verses that you sited:

[5] one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

[13] For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body -- Jews or Greeks, slaves or free -- and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

I can find no evidence in scripture that support that someone can be baptized without getting wet.

I believe that the water in the story of Noah washed away all evil, therefore the waters of baptism wash away our sins.  (our sins are what are evil)

There are many other instances that water washed away evil.  The water of the red sea washed away the Egyptians when the Israelites were escaping.  The water of the river Jordan washed away Nahmans skin disease.  Elijah passed through water before he went to heaven.  Moses was saved through the water.

All of these instances show me that baptism saves.  

thanks
Therese

[AVBunyan]

I can find no evidence in scripture that support that someone can be baptized without getting wet.

Try Col 2:11  In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12  Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Of course you will say the baptism in vs. 12 is water - I can't help you here.

If you want to count on water baptism to save you then you might fall into the category of:

Gal 1:8  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

2 Cor 4:3  But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2 Cor 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Paul's gospel, where by with we are saved, does not include water baptism.

May God grant you grace to know Paul's gospel

[Aussie Mum]

Hi,

Even if there is such a thing as a dry baptism it doesn't change the fact that ST Peter says that the eight were saved through the water.

I have shown many other ways that God saved people by water.  Why can't he use the water of baptism to save us?

Cheers
Therese

[AVBunyan]

Why can't he use the water of baptism to save us?
Cheers Therese

Because God used his own blood to save us -

Acts 20:28  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Have a good day now  

[Aussie Mum]

I believe that we are saved by the death of Jesus but this doesn't mean that we cannot be saved through the waters of baptism.

One thing I find constantly with Protestants is they say if a saves then b cannot.  Why cant a and b both save?  The bible tells us that water saved Noah and his family, therefore we too can be saved through the waters of baptism.  We need to look at the whole bible to know the way of salvation. Not just adopt the areas that suit our theology.

Cheers
Therese

[Reba]

Heb 9:21-24

21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
KJV