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1  Entertainment / Movies / Re:Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban on: October 03, 2005, 10:30:12 PM
Witches, Wizards, and the word of God.

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Witches wizards and the word of God
"Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of thier fornication, nor of their thefts." Rev. 9:21 "And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations decieved." Rev. 18.23
  This scripture comes from the book of Revelation, the final book of God's word, which deals with the end time. One might expect murder, fornication, and theft to be widespread sins in the last days . Just turn on your devil-vision (if you have cable), and you can get a healthy dose in about 2 seconds. But notice a fourth sin is mentioned as well: sorcery. According to God's word, we can expect to see an increase in srocery as the second coming of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ draws near.
  According to the Webster dictionary, the word "sorcery" means "magic; enchantment; witchcraft; divination by the assistance or the supposed assitance of evil spirits, or the power of commanding evil spirits."
  One does not have to look very far to see that God's word is being fulfilled before our very eyes. Along with numerous other Biblical signs that our Lord's return is near, we are witnessing a huge increase in occultism. Much of this obviously due to the way many books, movies, and devilvision programs are glamorizing such evil practices as witchcraft and wizardry. Let's face it people, witchcraft and magic have saturated our world and pop-culture. And it seems nobody wants to listen to their brothers and sisters in Christ when they get told that Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, C.S. Lewis, etc., are wrong in the eyes of God. So, let's see what God has to say through his word. Then you can argue with God, and not me. God's word clearly condemns all such practices, yet millions of people, especially young people, are being led to believe that it is possible to be a good witch or a good wizard. Nothing could be further from the truth.
  Satan is playing a very nasty trick on our parents and children. Books such as lord of the rings and the Harry Potter series are presenting two kinds of witches and wizards: evil ones and good ones. The books and movies offer a "built-in" contrast so that no one looks elsewhere for a contrast. In other words, the "good" witches look very good compared to the "evil" witches. The psychological effect is that the mind of the reader or viewer becomes satisfied with the "fair balance" and sees no reason to look outside the movie or book for more accurate information. Consequently, millions of Christians will read a Harry Potter book and never read the Bible to see what God says about witches, wizards, and magic. Most Christians and people have been given only one side of the story: the Hollywood side.
  While expecting everyone to be open-minded and allow their children to be influenced by occultism, the promoters of this wickedness have maintained a very closed mind by never telling anyone what God's word says about witchcraft and wizardry. After reading this, you will know God's side. It's up to you wether you will accept the conviction of the Holly Spirit. Hopefully, you will be smart enough to realize that you've been decieved by Satan and filthy rich producers. They have fed children, Christians, and the world a massive lie, and we all have paid them for it.
The money they recieved from us will help empower them to sell their lies to others in the form of more books and movies. I am guilty of this just much as the next person. As a baby Christian, I was swept up in the lord of the rings movies. I have since repented, got right with God, and burned all of my things related to witchcraft. Yes burned. "Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men:" Acts 19:19
  God is quite clear in his word, there are no good witches or wizards: "There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God. For these nations, which thou shalt posses, hearkened unto obsevers of times, and unto diviners" but as for thee, the Lord thy God hath not suffered thee so to do." Dueteronomy 18:10-14
 HMMMMM. Now, think about that, friend. Either God lied to us in the Bible, or Satan is lying to you in the movies and books. God said that Harry Potter and his buddies are an abomination. God said Sabrina the teenage witch is an abomination. God said Gandolf and his pals are an abomination. God said any kind of witchcraft is an abomintation, not just a sin, but an abomination. Do you have the faith and courage to believe God?
  "Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor obsever times.....Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God." Lev.26, 31 " And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.....A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them." Lev. 20:6, 27
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"I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:" 2 Timothy 4:7
2  Theology / Debate / Re:Biblical proof for the Rapture on: October 03, 2005, 09:56:13 PM
The True Christians will be subjected to the Antichrist for 42 months, or
approximately three and a half years!
“And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things
and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue
forty and two months.” Revelation 13:5
“…and [the saints] shall be given into his hand until a time and
times and the dividing of time (approximately 3 ½ years).”
Daniel 7:25b
The Tribulation is the wrath of Satan, unleashed against the followers of Christ.
“Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil
is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth
that he hath but a short time.” Revelation 12:12
Teaching doctrines concerning the Last Days and especially the Book of
Revelation is something every person that claims to follow Christ should do with
godly fear.
By changing the times appointed by God, these false and ---------- shepherds
have substituted the human invention of the Rapture occurring at the beginning
of the so-called 7-Year Tribulation, with the truth concerning the Sixth Seal.
As with Christmas and Easter, it is the spirit of antichrist to change the times
appointed by the LORD.
“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall
wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times
and laws…” Daniel 7:25a
They have added to the prophecies contained in the Book of Revelation with
the proclamation of multitudes being saved after the Lord Appears in the clouds
to gather His Bride. By removing the warning for Christians that the Antichrist will
be in power and Mark of the Beast will happen in the Last days while they are still
here, they have taken away from the Book.
“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the
prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things,
God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of
this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of
life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are
written in this book.” Revelation 22:18-19 (emphasis mine)
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"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." Romans 8:28

Brother Jeremy
3  Theology / Debate / Re:Biblical proof for the Rapture on: October 03, 2005, 09:55:01 PM
the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and
rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on
the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of
his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”
Revelation 6:15-17
After the Sixth Seal is opened, there is no evidence of anyone being saved.
The Word of God openly states that after the seal is opened: “They repented
not!” Then the Seventh Seal is opened which contain the 7 Trumpets and the 7
Vials of plagues (the Wrath of God) loosed on the Earth.
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“And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues
yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should
not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and
stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries,
nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.”
Revelation 9:20-21 (emphasis mine)
Also consider that when Jesus Christ returns and does battle at Armageddon,
the Word of God says that He comes with all of His saints.
“And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of
the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye
fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of
Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints
with thee.” Zechariah 14:5 (emphasis mine)
How could the LORD return with all the saints, if some of them were saved after
the Rapture? Up until the time that the Sixth Seal is opened Christians will be
suffering tribulation. There is much contained in the Word of God surrounding the
opening of this seal.
The Lord Appears in the clouds to gather His elect:
“And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds
with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels,
and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the
uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.”
Mark 13:26-27
He harvests His wheat from the Earth and throws the tares or grapes as they
are called into the winepress of the wrath of God.
“Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of
harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares,
and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat
into my barn.” Matthew 13:30
“And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud
one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden
crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came
out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the
cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for
thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat
on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was
reaped.” Revelation 14:14-16
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“And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven,
he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from
the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to
him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle,
and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are
fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and
gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress
of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the
city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse
bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.”
Revelation 14:17-20
The most dangerous part of this ------ teaching about a Pre-Tribulation
Rapture is that it has convinced Christians that they will all be gone before the
Antichrist appears. Saturated in the spirit of ------, modern Christians fattened
on the diet of a health and wealth gospel, are unprepared to:
“…endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.”
2 Timothy 2:3
Because they have listened to the false ecumenical shepherds, how many
Christians will have exercised their faith and allowed it to be tested – so that
when the Mark of the beast comes, (when no one will be able to buy or sell
without the mark), they will have the faith to trust God?
“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free
and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their
foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had
the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”
Revelation 13:16-17
How many will be able to watch as their loved ones suffer for their faith, truly
knowing and believing (because they have already been tried in the fire) that the
Word of God is sure!
“But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches
in glory by Christ Jesus.” Philippians 4:19
Or will have the faith to make the same proclamation as the three Hebrew lads
in Babylon!
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“Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the
king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in
this matter. If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver
us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of
thine hand, O king. But if not, be it known unto thee, O king,
that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image
which thou hast set up.” Daniel 3:16-18 (emphasis mine)
Notice that they were saved in the midst of the fire (tribulation) NOT before it!
“And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell
down in the midst of the burning fiery furnace. Then
Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste and
spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men
bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto
the king, True, O king. He answered and said, Lo, I see four
men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no
hurt; and the fourth is like the Son of God. Then
Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery
furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and
Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and
come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came
forth of the midst of the fire. And the princes, governors, and
captains, and the king’s counsellors, being gathered together, saw
these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an
hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor
the smell of fire had passed on them.” Daniel 3:23-27
According to the Word of God, anyone that takes the Mark of the Beast, even
though they may be a professing Christian, will lose their place in the Kingdom of
God and be cast into the Lake of Fire.
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If
any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark
in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine
of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into
the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire
and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the
presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment
ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor
night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever
receiveth the mark of his name.” Revelation 14:9-11
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cont.
4  Theology / Debate / Re:Biblical proof for the Rapture on: October 03, 2005, 09:44:26 PM
the ark. God had told him it was going to rain for 40 days and 40 nights and Noah
believed the LORD. But in the end, the total number of people saved on the ark
was indeed a remnant, 8 people in all!
“…the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while
the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were
saved by water.” 1 Peter 3:20b
After Noah and his family entered the ark, how many were saved as the wrath
of God fell upon the world in the form of a flood? Zero! Not one person was left
behind to preach to the masses about the salvation of the Lord.
“Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they
drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But
the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and
brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall
it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”
Luke 17:28-30
Lot lived in one of the most godless places in the ancient world, known as
Sodom. This metropolis was comparable to New York City or San Francisco here
in the United States. Plagued by rampant homosexuality, it is from the name of
this city that we get the word sodomy. The Bible says that righteous Lot was
vexed by the wickedness of Sodom.
“And [the LORD turned] the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into
ashes [condemning] them with an overthrow, making them an
ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And
delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the
wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing
and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their
unlawful deeds).” 2 Peter 2:6-8
When the LORD told Abraham of His intention to destroy the cities of Sodom
and Gomorrah:
“…Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the
righteous with the wicked?” Genesis 18:23
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Angels were sent to Sodom to take Lot and his family from that place before the
wrath of God fell upon it.
“And there came two angels to Sodom at even…And when the
morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take
thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be
consumed in the iniquity of the city. And while he lingered, the
men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife,
and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being
merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him
without the city.” Genesis 19:1; 15-16
Sodom and Gomorrah were completely wiped off the face of the Earth. How
many were saved in those cites after the wrath of God fell? The same as in the
days of Noah – absolutely none!
Although Tim LaHaye, Jerry B. Jenkins, Hal Lindsay and their ilk have made a
fortune teaching the ------ that multitudes will be saved after the Rapture, there
is absolutely no basis in scripture for this teaching.
Persecution and Apostasy
Persecution for righteousness sake is evidence that a person or fellowship is
following the Lord and the leadership of the Holy Spirit
“If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated
you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but
because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the
world, therefore the world hateth you.” John 15:18-19
“For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to
believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake.” Philippians 1:29
“Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake:
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:10
In these Last Days, the Antichrist and the One World Church will indeed
persecute the True Believers.
“And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to
overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and
tongues, and nations.” Revelation 13:7
According to the Word of God, two things must occur before Christ appears in
the clouds to gather His Bride.
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“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not
come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin
be revealed, the son of perdition.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3
Jesus told His disciples that persecution would cause many of those that
profess His Name to deny Him and turn on True Christians.
“And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.” Matthew 24:10
In the parable of the seeds (Matthew chapter 13), Jesus describes seed that
falls on rocky ground.
“Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth:
and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of
earth: And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and
because they had no root, they withered away.” Matthew 13:5-6
Another cause of apostasy is --------- teachings and ecumenism. There is no
root in the Christian that has been fed a diet of error, lies and religious harlotry.
“Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for (not if,
but) when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word,
by and by he is offended (and falls away).” Matthew 13:21
Although the ------- of ecumenism have convinced a church gorged on
promises of prosperity and escapism that they will all be snatched away before
the son of perdition comes to power, this is absolute ------.
The Sixth Seal, the Sign of the Son of Man
As recorded in the Book of Matthew, when the abomination of desolation is set
up, it begins what Jesus called “great tribulation”.
“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso
readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea
flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not
come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him
which is in the field return back to take his clothes: And woe
unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those
days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on
the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was
not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever
shall be.” Matthew 24:15-21
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He then went on to say what would happen after the tribulation:
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be
darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars
shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be
shaken.” Matthew 24:29 (emphasis mine)
There are other references to this occurrence mentioned in the Word of God.
“And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood,
and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into
darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the
terrible day of the LORD come.” Joel 2:30-31
These scriptures in Matthew and Joel refer to the Sixth Seal in the Book of
Revelation.
“And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there
was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth
of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven
fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs,
when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed
as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and
island were moved out of their places.” Revelation 6:12-14
It is when the Sixth Seal is broken open that the word wrath is mentioned for
the first time.
“And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich
men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every
bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in

cont.
5  Theology / Debate / Re:Biblical proof for the Rapture on: October 03, 2005, 09:42:33 PM
book "Blinded by the Sun"
by S. David Mitchell

The Seven Year Tribulation
Another --- perpetrated by the --- shepherds of ecumenism is that of a Pre-
Tribulation Rapture. This doctrine teaches that all Christians will be gathered to
meet the Lord in the air at the beginning of the 7 year Tribulation, and that after
the Rapture 144,000 Israelites (12,000 from each of the Twelve Tribes) will be saved to evangelize the world.
“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there
were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the
tribes of the children of Israel.” Revelation 7:4
The scripture says they are sealed, NOT saved! This is to keep a segment of
descendents of Abraham safe as the wrath of God is poured out on the world.
“And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the
seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four
angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we
have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.”
Revelation 7:2-3
Some claim that because they are called servants of God that proves they are
followers of Christ. But in speaking to His disciples, the Lord Jesus said:
“Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not
what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.”
John 15:14-15 (emphasis mine)
Those that adhere to this ------ also believe that the Holy Spirit is keeping the
Antichrist from coming into power. Therefore all Christians that have the Holy
Spirit within them must be taken from the world before the son of perdition
comes to rule the earth.
“And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed
in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only
he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.”
2 Thessalonians 2:6-7
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However, the apostle never says that it is the Holy Spirit keeping the Antichrist
at bay. Claiming it is the Holy Spirit is an assumption by -----; used to
support the Pre-tribulation rapture ------. For centuries True Believers in Christ
have preached and proclaimed that the Roman Church is the whore of
Revelation mentioned in chapters 17 and 18. Many stood for Christ, paying the
price of their lives. But thanks to the likes of Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch, Billy
Graham, Oral Roberts and a host of others; the mystery of iniquity (compromise)
working within modern Christendom has convinced the Body of Christ to remove
the standard of truth for the sake of false unity, paving the way for the rise of the
Antichrist.
“Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all
power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness
of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received
not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this
cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should
believe a lie.” 2 Thessalonians 2:11
Going along with this --- is that since the Lord loves us so much, He would
never let His Bride go through such a horrible time. Did the Lord love not those
who were burned at the stake during the Inquisition? Does He not love those in
other lands that suffer unto death for His Names sake? What most Christians
here in the West do not realize is that this ------ is setting believers up to
actually fall into the trap of worshipping the Antichrist.
Another one of the main scriptures you will hear quoted to support this
---------- is found in the Book of Revelation.
“Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will
keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon
all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”
Revelation 3:10
But scripture defines scripture! To discover what the LORD is saying one need
only look to the consistency of the Bible for the meaning.
In the beginning of the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John wrote:
“I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation
and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ...”
Revelation 1:9
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What is this patience mentioned? In the context of this book it is staying faithful
to the Lord and refusing the spirit of the Antichrist!
“...If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his
mark in his forehead or in his hand, the same shall drink the
wine of the wrath of God...Here is the patience of the saints;
here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the fait
of Jesus.” Revelation 14:9b-10a; 12
Jesus never promised His church that we would be exempt from tribulation. In
fact, He told us just the opposite.
“These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have
peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good
cheer; I have overcome the world.” John 16:33 (emphasis mine)
The Word of God also tells us that in time of tribulation or trouble, He is our
strong fortress.
“He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall
abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the
LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I
trust.” Psalm 91:1-2
“…God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above
that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to
escape, that ye may be able to bear it.” 1 Corinthians 10:13b
Also consider that the entire seven-year period that takes place after the
alleged Rapture, is never called “the tribulation” in the Word of God. The terms
used to describe this period of time are tribulation, great tribulation and wrath.
These do not have the same meaning in any way! The word tribulation comes
from the Latin, “tribulum” and refers to an instrument used to harvest grain. It is
used to separate a kernel of wheat from the husk. Wrath is judgment, destruction
and retribution!
So, by the Word of God we see that true Christians will have tribulation but they
are not to be subject to the wrath of God.
“For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation
by our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Thessalonians 5:9
The Signs of Noah and Lot
The Lord Jesus compared the Last Days to the times of two men of old, Noah,
and Lot; the nephew of Abraham.
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“For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating
and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that
Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came,
and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of
man be.” Matthew 24:38-39
Noah endured tribulation (the testing of his faith) the entire time he was building

cont.
6  Theology / Debate / Re:Biblical proof for the Rapture on: October 01, 2005, 01:58:53 PM
This is what I believe.  I realize others believe other ways, thats alrighty.  I am just stating my convictions.

Listen folks stop putting on that comfort blanket of this pre-trib rapture , and start putting on that armor of God, so that ye may stand!!

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14: Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15: And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16: Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
19: And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
20: For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
(Ephesians 6:13-20)

It says,"that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand." Stand in the evil day????? Put on the armor of God? Withstand?? Does this mean we don't get blasted out of here before it gets bad?? Yes! We will suffer tribulation. Tell the chinese christians they are going to be "raptured" out before it gets bad! They have been persecuted and killed for the Word of God for many years.

Christ doesn't gather the saints from the four corners of the earth untill after tribuation, Not "The 7 year Tribulation". Thats why scripture tells us to endure, to stand! There is serious trouble coming here folks. I believe that believing in this pre-trib rapture  is setting you up to unknowingly fall into the trap of the anti-christ, John spoke of. Read revelations, and think about it, not just that Daniel, Joel, Hosea, Thesselonians, etc. also, its all there.

 We must endure for Christ and suffer for His names sake. Arn't you ready to suffer for the Saviour Christ who suffered so much for you??? Because of Christ we don't have to go to hell, if call upon His name, and believe! Jesus Christ is the only way.

  Now as Christs soldiers we must endure sound doctrine! rightly deviding the word of God. Thats what I have been doing in my christian purifying process. I believed in this pre-trib for many years. It was so hard as I read my KJV bible (the only true word of God in english, all others are perversions) to figure out, ok is this before the rapture or after the raptue in the 7 year tribulation?? Well there was only one choice, in tribuation. Just not, "The tribulatuion".

 I now many of think I'm nuts as some of the other good soldiers of Christ have tried to warn you of in earlier posts. But we merely bring you the truth because we care! If we didn't we wouldn't be debating this big doctrinal topic with you. Remember the one who brings you the truth is the one who cares! I have to tell you when you preach against the pre\trib rapture, most christians get very very worked up. I love you guys and pray for you that you will not fall into the trap of the anti-christ and his mark. .

  By the way excellant studies brothers, I agree with you guys ( Arpel, curious, Psalam, Phil, one sheep, Tibby, etc.)  !! We need us," men of understanding" to band together stand up and shout of the coming of the Christ. Thats why I'm here with you guys. We are so few us last days remnant. Small pockets of true soldiers serving God. We feel very alone as we are attacked by the apostacy, illuminati,  , and the ecumenical church followers. But we must endure longsuffering, and tribulation. Thats why we must put on the whole armor of God (Ephesians chapter 6) so that we may stand in that day. Whats the first thing Paul tells us, take heed that ye be not deceived! Deception is everywhere, christians worshipping around spruce trees, colored eggs, and scary costumes. Theses are all adopted from the devil worshipping pagans. We are to worship in Spirit and Truth!! John tells of this spirit of anti-christ which has come into the world. Well its here folks!! And it is going to start killing, and beheading us true soldiers very soon. There are already concentration camps built and ready to use, yes right here in America! They are poisoning our food supply and water supply. They are minipulating weather with chemtrails, and such. Depleted uranium is spreading everywhere. Look we are in serious trouble here folks. Lets put on the whole Armor of God, and go out and win souls for Jesus, the time is short and the harvest is ripening. Soon the tares shall be seperated, from the good grain and burned in the lake of fire. The wheat shall then attend the marrige supper of the Lamb.


 But the pharisees the religious leaders sought to kill the apostles and Christ Himself. They claimed they were teaching false doctrine. Just like you some people think of us followers of Christ who are ready and prepaired to suffer for Christ, even be beheaded for Christ. I for one am ready to be the first to give my head, because I will NOT deny my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!!!!

So I have expressed my total faith in a suffering tribulation for all beleivers in the Lord Jesus Christ. I beleive in no rapture! I beleive in the second coming of Jesus Christ!

Soldier of Christ;
Brother Jerm


7  Theology / General Theology / Re:What Must We Do To Be Saved? on: September 30, 2005, 11:08:13 PM
Are you Saved???

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True salvation
According to Gods word (KJV)

Scripture tells us
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” Romans 3:23
We as humans are sinners, we only think about what we want and not what God commands. We are all sinners that deserve to die and go to hell because of our sins and God is perfectly fair, just, and honest to do so. BUT God doesn’t want us to die and go to hell, so he provided a way out, through his only begotten son Jesus Christ. Call upon the name of Jesus Christ and though shalt be saved, its that simple. God cannot allow you into heaven with your sin that’s why Jesus’ righteousness is put on us and our sin put on him that was nailed to that tree. That is how the blood of Christ cleanseth us from all iniquity. Only through the grace of God can we find our way into his kingdom. The grace of God is Jesus Christ who was sent to be our Saviour by his dying on the cross and washing us clean of our sins. We are saved by grace and grace alone. The meaning is grace is to receive something you are not deserving of.
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” Ephesians 2:8

Christ died for us knowing what kind of sinners we are and would be.
“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:8

Jesus knows all of our sins and all of our evil thoughts, and he loves us anyways! That is true love, Jesus loves us and wants us to come to him by our own free will.
 “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.” 1 Timothy 1:15

Jesus is the only way to get to heaven, he is the only way to obtain salvation.
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” Acts 4:12
“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Acts 2:21

The bible clearly tells us how to get saved.
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness: and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” Romans 10:9-10
We must first believe without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus is the son of God and that he was crucified and then raised from the dead three days later. Once we fully believe this then we must confess that to the Lord, tell him that we believe this and ask him into our lives.

Then we must repent of our sins. Repentance means to know what you are doing is wrong and turning, fleeing, and getting rid of all wrong doings. We cant just have pentance we must have Repentence. Pentence is mearly knowing that something is wrong but continuing to do it, to Repent you must not only acknowledge it but also flee from it.
2 Corinthians 5:17 “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

After initial salvation good works and fruit must follow to show ones salvation. If someone shows no works, are they truly saved? Scripture says we are saved by grace alone through the blood of Jesus Christ and not by works. Our works is what we show after salvation to show others our salvation.
Ephesians 5:11 “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”
James 2:18-26 “Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”

After accepting him into our lives we must then live for him, the only way we can live for him is to study his word the KJV bible. Being born again only takes a few seconds but growing takes a long time. You grow by baptism by full submersion, reading your bible, finding a good KJV bible believing church, and most of all, lots of prayer to the Lord, also fellowshipping with fellow followers of Jesus Christ. We should not ever try to compromise with God, His laws are black and white and he doesn’t compromise with us and we shouldn’t with him. Tolerance is not something that Christians should have. We should read the bible every day and live by the rules God has set before us. When we realize that something is a sin we should repent of it and not commit that sin anymore. As saved Christians we should live our lives to please God not ourselves. Once saved we have the choice to live fully for our Saviour or to continue to live for the devil, it will be your choice to make.

If just one person gets saved from this, Fellowship of the Mystery ministry then all of our efforts have been worth every second. Our purpose here as the staff of the Fellowship of the Mystery is first and for most to show people what the KJV bible says of how to escape the flames of hell and obtain eternal salvation through Jesus Christ. Then we can grow, discuss, and fellowship together.
Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:”

The bible tells us that every time a sinner is saved and comes into Gods family the angels of heaven rejoice to the Father over that sinner that is now saved by grace.
St. Luke 15:10 “Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.”

We pray that these words will help you in your search for salvation and eternal happiness if you have not already found it. We do not feel that someone should lead you in a prayer (meaning you repeat the prayer that someone else says). The prayer that we pray to Jesus should be our own and come from our own heart not someone elses.


Servants of Jesus Christ:
Brother Jerm, travisc, Victoria

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