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The stench of ignorance hangs heavy in the air.
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Originally posted by anduril: Every hear a fruit or vegatable cry? Probably not however, life is life and fruits and vegatables are life. Lets stop eating all together so everything else on the planet can live.
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Though any loss of life, whether it be a plant or animal, is lamentable. However, if one would do even minimal research, one would find that eating a plant-based diet is in fact causing much less harm and loss of life than a meat-inclusive diet.
First, plants do not feel pain and are incapable of suffering. Second, what do you think all of those animals eat? Plants! Depending on the animal, anywhere from 3 to 20 (roughly) pounds of plants have to be consumed in order to produce a single pound of nutritionally inferior meat.
We should not all commit suicide because we want to harm nothing. We should, though, seek to cause minimal harm through our actions. A vegan diet is obviously the superior choice.
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Originally posted by anduril: I personally could not go without meat or fish. There are natural nutrients that you can't get ...unless you take supplements. Even then, supplements are more expensive and they cant cover everything a good salmon or steak provides your body.
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Yes, you could, you are just ignorant to the facts. Every nutrient except for Vitamin B12 and Vitamin D can be supplied by plant based foods. Vitamin D is synthesized by the skin from contact with the sun (20 minutes a day on only the hands and face provide enough), and vitamin B12 requirements can be more than easily met with supplements and fortified foods. Some plants actually do have B12 on them, but our hygienic practices usually wash all of it off of our plant food sources.
Here is an interesting quote:
"It's bizarre, really: You take a crop like soy, oats, corn, or wheat, products high in fiber and complex carbohydrates, but devoid of cholesterol and artery-clogging saturated fat. You put them into an animal and create something with no fiber or complex carbohydrates at all, but with lots of cholesterol and saturated fat. It makes about as much sense to take pure water, run it through a sewer system, and then drink it."
--- Bruce Friedrich, director of vegan outreach, PETA
Just for the record, 99.9% of all plant-based foods are low in fat and all are devoid of cholesterol. Some basic research would show that a vegan diet is superior in every way to a meat-inclusive diet.
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Originally posted by anduril: What I find humerous about people who tell you how to eat is they rarely, if ever tell you how to exercise. They have people believing that its mostly the eating habbits will make you healthier. Atleast 30min Exercise a day on whatever eating habit you choose to go with is half the battle.
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Let’s use some common sense: if you have a low intake of fat and cholesterol, is rigorous exercise even necessary to make sure you counteract their negative effects on your body?
For the record, again, most plant-based foods are very low in fat (and even lower in saturated fat) and possess no cholesterol. Also, carbohydrates (the single most efficient fuel for your body) are plentiful in many plant-based foods and non-existent in animal products. Same with fiber.
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We didn't work our way to the top of the food chain to just eat fruits and vegatables
Honestly though, eat what makes your body feel good. Just be sure to exercise too!
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Please. The ‘food chain’ is merely a concept thought up by humans in order to justify their immense conceitedness and evil ways. Keep hiding behind the “natural, meant-to-be” fantasy.
Not to mention that just because you have the ability to do something, does not mean you should do it.
Yes, just eat whatever satisfies your taste buds and feels good in the short term, no matter how many were brutally slaughtered for it or the deadly negative effects it will have on you and the biosphere later. It’s all about you right now.
At least we can agree on the exercise.
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Originally posted by Luke O: One huge injustice that i have found out, and something that i really don't understand personally is, say someone killed a man and ate him, that person would be jailed for life, in some places sentenced to death. But if he ate any other animal that is deemed socially and globally acceptable....it's a crazy world.
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It is called racism.
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Originally posted by Saved_4ever: Humans are omnivores which means we eat everything.
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Only if we choose to. How primeval of you.
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Originally posted by Saved_4ever: Did you know that ALL plants move away from you when you go to pick them? I suppose since they're mute it doesn't count to you.
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Really? Please produce some credible scientific evidence.
And no, their lack of screams mean nothing. I consider killing and eating fish to be wrong, and they are mute. The point is whether or not they are capable of suffering and feeling pain.
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Originally posted by Saved_4ever: I love it when a vegan tells me about murder and exploytation of animals while they wear some nice leather shoes.
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They are certainly hypocrites, then.
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Originally posted by Kalthzar: Could i point out that vegetarians are at the very least hypocrites as they still use animal products. So for instance they drink milk, only the cows can produce milk, and since the farmer can't use all the bulls (some will be needed to maintain the populations), most are killed for meat. So a vegetarian actually helps support the farmer too.
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Indeed. While vegetarianism is a good start, in that stage of evolution alone it is still hypocrisy.
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Originally posted by sincereheart: For those of us ignorant meat-eaters.... what's the difference between a 'vegan' and a 'vegetarian'?
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A vegetarian does not eat animal flesh. They usually consume eggs and dairy, though. Sometimes “vegetarians” eat fishes and chickens and somehow still consider themselves vegetarians. I would go with my original definition. “Pollo-vegetarian” or “Pisce-vegetarians” are not vegetarians.
Vegans abstain from the consumption of anything produced from the exploitation of animals.
As for the rest of you: check the credibility of the Bible and then tell me why you base your decisions on it. If you are still convinced that this book has all of the answers you need, think about this: does “God” really want you to act so violently toward other creatures on Earth?
That is enough for me today, there are far too many misinformed things to reply to. If anyone wishes to put a question to me, feel free to do so.
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