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1  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Is Jesus God? - Part Two on: September 17, 2005, 12:41:44 AM
Amen!

Hey, want to discuss on the Fatherhood of God? I believe it'll bring us closer to Him.
2  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Is Jesus God? - Part Two on: August 07, 2005, 11:16:30 PM

It is a difficult thing for some to understand because they attempt to use human reasoning, how can Jesus be both the son of God and still be the one and only God at the same time. All things are possible with God, many of these things are beyond the understanding of human reasoning.

Yeah.. There are things that our limited mind can never understand. Even when Mary conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit, the angels in the heavens don't know how to describe it and they called it 'the thing'. Ha ha...

As much as different bible scholars has different views, most of the church today will still believe that Jesus is God, together with Father God and Holy Spirit.

This is an extract of the nicene creed. It was written in the early church years, ard AD 300++. After much intensive debates and disscussion by the council at that time, they finally decided on this:

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
  the only Son of God,
  eternally begotten of the Father,
  God from God, Light from Light,
  true God from true God,
  begotten, not made,
  of one Being with the Father.
  Through him all things were made.
  For us and for our salvation
    he came down from heaven:
  by the power of the Holy Spirit
    he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
    and was made man.
  For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
    he suffered death and was buried.
    On the third day he rose again
      in accordance with the Scriptures;
    he ascended into heaven
      and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
  He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
    and his kingdom will have no end.

3  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Is Jesus God? - Part Two on: August 06, 2005, 03:22:55 AM
Since I have my book here... let me share this too.

The bible records other witnesses claiming that they too agree that Jesus Christ is God.

1. God the Father Himself.
Matt 3:17 'This is my beloved Son..'
Jn 5:17-18 ' God was His Father, making Himself equal with God'

2. The friends of Jesus.
a) John the Baptist - Jn 1:34
b) Nathanael - Jn 1:49
c) Peter - Jn 1:49
d) John - 1 Jn 5:20
e) Stephen - Acts 7:59

3. The enemies of Jesus.
a)The centurion... the soldier who hung Him on the cross. - Mk 15:39
b) Satan himself! Mt 4:3, Mt 4:6
c) Demons Mk 1:24
4  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Is Jesus God? - Part Two on: August 06, 2005, 02:42:14 AM
hi pastor rogers,
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Let me extract this from my book.

In biblical language, to be a son of someone or something is to have the character of that someone or something.
Eg. Jn 17:12 (son of perdition); Eph 2:2-3 (sons of disobedience).

Now the term 'son of God' is also used of angels (Job 1:6) and men (Lk 3:38, Rom 8:14). Reason? We are all made in God's image!

In the case of Jesus Christ, He fully manifested the character of Father God.

Regarding son-ship, Jesus is also called:
'The only begotten Son'. Jn 3:16

God has many sons but there is only one He begot. There is no other 'son' that qualifies to be the Savior... So, Jesus is unique!

But what does 'beget' mean?
To beget does not mean 'to give biryh' or 'to create'. That is why in the Nicene Creed, it's clearly stated concerning Christ: 'eternally begotten of the Father... begotten, not made, one in being with the Father..'

Therefore, to be begotten = to be specially related. A begotten son is a specially related son, not a specially created son.
5  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Is Jesus God? - Part Two on: August 05, 2005, 09:46:21 AM
hi, I'm a new member. I live in Singapore.

Here are my views for 'Is Jesus God?' and the 'son of God' thing.

1. Jesus is God. The scriptures says it.

2. The 'only begotten Son of God' - The word 'Son' used here in the original language means that the earthly Jesus thinks, behaves like God the Father Himself.

It's like how Paul described Timothy as 'his son', although he was not born from his own loins. But Timothy thinks like Paul, work like Paul, behaves like Paul, he resembles so much like Paul, that Paul calls him 'son'.

So when God says Jesus 'is My only begotten Son', it means that Jesus is the only person alive on this earth that totally resembles God Himself. He is exactly like God. When you see Him, it's seeing God. It's because He is the only one that's perfect, and without sin.
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