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60586  Theology / Debate / Re: 4 MORE YEARS on: January 27, 2005, 12:08:46 AM
Give me a little time Bronze and I'll get you some e-mail addees for that.

60587  Theology / Debate / Re: 4 MORE YEARS on: January 26, 2005, 06:03:44 PM
Evangelist,


Evangelist, I am praying for your sons safety. Also I want to publicly thank him, for his service to the country. I pray, that God keeps him safe, and in his embrace.

We see people today saying, to get out of Iraq. The truth is,..... "Freedom is not free". Some times you have to fight for freedom.  SO in ending, I want to say, thank you, for those who serve, God, then country.

Bob

I join in Dreamweavers prayer for your son and I wish to also join in thanking him for his service. Not enough appreciation can be given to all of our troops for their very important work that they are doing.

I hope that you pass this on to him and his unit, Thank you all.

60588  Prayer / General Discussion / Re:Maybe a silly question but... on: January 26, 2005, 05:01:34 PM
Mat 12:30  He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
60589  Theology / General Theology / Re:Salvation on: January 26, 2005, 04:44:12 PM
Show him the truth in the Bible and pray for him.

60590  Theology / Debate / Re: 4 MORE YEARS on: January 26, 2005, 12:31:21 PM
Pastor Roger quote...

 
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"against the war, not the soldiers"  does in fact denigrate our troops. Our troops are a part of that war, that war is a part of them. You cannot separate the two. It is what they are doing. To tell them any different belittles them and what they are doing. It causes many problems just as it did during Viet Nam. Low troop moral, more of our troops being killed, support of the enemy giving the enemy more fuel and determination to keep fighting. This is what happened in Viet Nam and is again happening now.

People need to stop playing this game and let the troops do their job.

 BRAVO!! Right arm! Farm out even!
I am sick of goofy statements like that also. It's clearly a shot at Bush at the expense of our troops in this case. Buddy boy needs to get over it and get a life!

p.s. Pastor Roger...Look at your private messages once in a while my friend!  Cheesy

Bronzesnake


I'm not ignoring you, Bronze. It has taken me awhile to read everything on your site.  Responded today.


I agree these peoples agenda is at the expense of our troops. They don't seem to be able to comprehend that and it is the reason Viet Nam turned out the way it did.

60591  Theology / Debate / Re: 4 MORE YEARS on: January 26, 2005, 09:45:54 AM
Pastor Roger,

I agree entirely with your point that if one signs up to go to military school, or joins the armed forces, then one had better be prepared to fight.  There do seem to be some troubling cases in Iraq though, where soldiers are being forced, against their will to stay for much longer than their terms of service, which may be problematic in the future.


This too is a part of their contract. Their service contract can be extended for a period without their agreement to it. They signed that dotted line. They should be aware of what they are signing before they sign it. As with any contract read before you sign.

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I must say that I disagree with your statement:

"The only way Iraq is like Viet Nam is in the way these people are reacting to it and denigrating our Soldiers and Sailors."

I will not tell you that the two conflicts are identical, but to make a statement such as yours, is to under-analyze the situation.  I beleive the two are similar for several reasons.

1. They are both wars fought with a conventional army against a guerilla style force.

I will concede to the fact that they are both a guerilla style force that we are now fighting.

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2.  The defence department grossly misjudged the nature of the enemy in both cases.  I think that in both instances, the military elite felt that victory would be swift and easy, not realizing that the real fight would not be against uniformed or conventional forces, but in the streets.

This is not true. Our troops were told from the start that this would be the case. Yes, we were hoping for swift and easy results but were well aware that it may not be so.

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3.  The incramental increase of force size.  I think you will find the number of u.s. servicemen and women in Iraq has and will grow, much as did throughout the 60's in Vietnam.

This is no different than in any war that we have fought in. In WWI and WWII the number of U.S. Servicemen and Women were increased in numbers in the war as the need warranted.

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4.  The lack of a clear exit strategy.

Again no different than any other war that we have fought in. Plans for an "exit strategy" can not be made in advance. There are to many variables to consider until that time comes and what is being planned certainly isn't being disseminated to the general public for obvious reasons to anyone that understands the elements of war.


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As a result of these similarities, I think that the U.S. has a tough fight on its hands.  Other than the fact that no modern army has ever defeated a guerilla style opponent, I beleive that a weak conventional defence to the U.S. initial onslaught was part of the Iraqi plan all along.  If any guerilla leader can take one lesson from Vietnam, its if you drag out a fight long enough, Americans may lose their stomach for flag draped coffins.  I'm not saying that this is neccesarily the case here, but it is certainly worth some time and thought.

Finally, I do not beleive that speaking out against the war is denegrating the fine men and women of the armed forces.  I have the utmost in respect for anyone who dons their nations uniform.  To borrow a vietnam era slogan: agianst the war, not the soldiers.

thanks,
thom




"against the war, not the soldiers"  does in fact denigrate our troops. Our troops are a part of that war, that war is a part of them. You cannot separate the two. It is what they are doing. To tell them any different belittles them and what they are doing. It causes many problems just as it did during Viet Nam. Low troop moral, more of our troops being killed, support of the enemy giving the enemy more fuel and determination to keep fighting. This is what happened in Viet Nam and is again happening now.

People need to stop playing this game and let the troops do their job.

60592  Theology / General Theology / Re:Translating Christianese into English on: January 25, 2005, 12:03:58 PM
A really good point. Having been in a church all my life and the KJV being my first reader, I had not thought of this in this fashion. Thanks.

60593  Theology / Debate / Re: 4 MORE YEARS on: January 24, 2005, 02:54:03 PM
Future Canadian?Huh??

What does your post have to do with Canada?  
"_______ is a peace-loving 25 year old who enlisted to pay off his undergraduate loans (45K!) and to get free grad school. He never believed he would be put in a situation like this."  

I am tired of people complaining that they didn't sign up with the army to go to war.  They only joined so they could become a pilot, a doctor, a kindergarten teacher.  Didn't they understand that they were becoming a soldier?   I guess they thought it was summer camp.  




It's called the something for nothing attitude. Government  is supposed to give these people everything without them doing anything to earn it.

They have forgotten that freedom isn't free.

Sign up to be a Soldier and you had better be prepared to be one!

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Here we are...Vietnam all over again.


The only way Iraq is like Viet Nam is in the way these people are reacting to it and denigrating our Soldiers and Sailors.

60594  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea? on: January 23, 2005, 10:31:21 PM
Why do the movies show the Pharaoh always over looking his army being destroyed? Huh

Exodus 15:4 Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.

Hollywood hype.

60595  Entertainment / Politics and Political Issues / Re:Who Are You..IF? on: January 23, 2005, 07:54:09 PM
I am proud to be one of them and proud to call the rest my brothers and sisters.


60596  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:Male Syndrome on: January 23, 2005, 03:52:31 PM
I knew that....clever cop-out too!  Tongue

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*secretly i`m sure it made BEP`s day, so I let you away with it,  i`m sure he`s  been itchin to read me my rights for eons!*  Grin



I tried to find a good excuse and that was the best I could come up with as poor of one as it is.  Cheesy

Nah. Beps wouldn't do that to you. He don't go after supporters of God's word. He's too cool for that.  Cool Cool

(Don't tell him I said that though. It might go to his head.)


60597  Theology / Apologetics / Re:National Geographic slams Christians! on: January 23, 2005, 01:41:15 PM
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I am sure there are many Christians who will be cheering for you and offering to help in any way that they can. Please put me on your list of cheerleaders and supporters.

I second that and join in saying, AMEN!

60598  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:Male Syndrome on: January 23, 2005, 01:22:15 PM

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ROFL! That`s the first time i`ve been read the riot act, but
I prolly had it coming!  Grin

That wasn't meant for you. That's my excuse for not answering.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
60599  Welcome / Questions, help, suggestions, and bug reports / Re:2T on: January 23, 2005, 12:46:00 PM
Learn any new tricks yet  Huh

I just learned how to sit and beg for dinner.  Grin
60600  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:Male Syndrome on: January 23, 2005, 02:49:43 AM

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