Pastor Roger and Cris,

Both of you know more about this than I do, especially after you started using all the big words.  

All of this big money talk has convinced me that it's time to go back to candles, tents, and an abacus for a computer.

Who needs a washer and dryer for wash and wear clothes? You simply jump in the creek and wash while you wear. No water bills, and you took care of the bath at the same time. You also did away with the water heater.

We can also get rid of the telephone, television, and teletype  with tell-a-woman.  

We're going to offer classes on making fire by rubbing sticks together. Sign up soon since room is limited in the tent.

After this, we are planning numerous karate classes for men so they can defend themselves from their wives.  

Brother, that was hilarious. I'm ready for it myself. Can I help teaching the classes (all except the karate class I'm afraid I would lose big time there)?

No gas lines, UPS is out of range, community doesn't want to help, utility company won't take responsibility, I would say the only other alternative would be a law suit. If you feel as I do then the word law suit is a dirty word but it is one that sometimes must be used especially when you are having to put out so much money unnecessarily for repairs.

I have found sometimes that just the word alone, dropped to the right person, will get tremendous results.

Yep, it is a dirty word and something that I've never done, but maybe you're right.  Now PR, who might that "right" person be?  Any ideas?

Should I go to city hall with that word?  Who might the right person be there?  Sorry for these questions, but I've never done this before.

Grace and peace,
cris

City hall may have some influence here but the ultimate one responsible is the utility company itself. I would start with the people in charge of the substation, asking them exactly what the problem is as it may not be their fault. If you get a satifactory answer from them and it turns out it isn't there fault then I would go to their source. Be ready though because you may reach an impasse between them with one blaiming the other.

An O scope can show the hertz if you have one that works for that high a voltage and you have it on the right settings. You would just need to check to see how many cycles it does each second. I wouldn't be able to help with the settings on it as each Oscope is somewhat different in it's settings/switches, etc.

If it is an old one that was used for TV repair then it probably has the capability of reading a 115 Volt line.

Everyone in this area has the same voltage supply so would the scope even make a difference?  I checked my neighbors voltage tonight.  It's the same as mine and they are ON A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER.  There's a DEFINITE problem with the EC's substation.............that's a known.  The substation can't change the cycles per second.  They can only vary the voltage and current.  Our electric company buys their electric from ?wherever........somewhere from the grid

Again, bottom line, am I stuck?


Grace and peace,
cris

 

The problem may not be in the substation but rather in their supply. If they are not being provided sufficient power from their source it could cause such a problem.

I would say that you are stuck unless you can find an alternate power source for a reasonable price. Such as butane.

Hi again, Lee. I have been with Christians Unite for a little over a year now. It doesn't seem like that long a time but time goes fast when you are having fun. I have enjoyed every minute of my time in some great fellowship with some very wonderful Christians.

I read your testimony on the other thread and it has really moved me.

There are a number of us here that are disabled for one reason or another. We all still have a great time in serving the Lord.

I look forward to reading more of your posts.

Hi Lee,

Don't worry about the length of your posts. When it comes to such a sad yet wonderful testimony as yours I enjoyed reading every word of it. I am terribly sorry to hear about your losing your son in that manner but it is wonderful that he is in heaven and the you will be able to rejoin him one day.

No gas lines, UPS is out of range, community doesn't want to help, utility company won't take responsibility, I would say the only other alternative would be a law suit. If you feel as I do then the word law suit is a dirty word but it is one that sometimes must be used especially when you are having to put out so much money unnecessarily for repairs.

I have found sometimes that just the word alone, dropped to the right person, will get tremendous results.

An O scope can show the hertz if you have one that works for that high a voltage and you have it on the right settings. You would just need to check to see how many cycles it does each second. I wouldn't be able to help with the settings on it as each Oscope is somewhat different in it's settings/switches, etc.

If it is an old one that was used for TV repair then it probably has the capability of reading a 115 Volt line.

I just did a look on the internet for a UPS. To get one large enough for your entire house we are talking at minimum $8,600.00 and that is for the minimum appliances, using gas stove, dryer and water heater. I think it would be cheaper to go to gas appliances.

The U.S. used to operate on 50 Hertz. Lighting was poor, bulbs had a tendency to show a slight flicker all the time so they boosted it to 60 Hertz. With AC current Hertz is simply the measurement of the wave length which is the amount of time it goes from zero to 125 Volts to zero to a neg 125 then back to zero (one wave length). 60 Hertz is 60 of those per second.

Hertz can also fluctuate if there is a problem with the generating equipment. If your bulbs seem to have normal output then it probably is not a problem there.

One other point. If your local phone service is using the same utility company it will have an effect on your internet.

Hi Lee, Welcome to the forum. There are some great Christians here and we do have a lot of good times in fellowship. Take your time, look around, jump in and have a good time and if you have any difficulties just ask. We all will be glad to help you out as much as we can.

I didn't think about the UPS. You are right though in it's cost. It would be cost prohibitive for most households. In fact most buisnesses cannot afford them for full service uses.

A generator sufficient to run an entire home on for anything other than emergencies would also be very expensive.

There is no device available to keep your electricity stable outside of the utility company. There are surge protectors that can be placed in the line just prior to the service box. Usually those are so expensive that most people can't afford to get them. All those do is to protect against the sudden high voltage spikes. They do nothing to stablize power or to boost low power.

If it drops low like that and slowly climbs back up then it is definitely the utility companys fault that your appliances are going out. Does the problem seem to happen more at certain times of the day/night?

I worked as a licensed electrician for 15 yrs. I think I can help. Your low voltage system can run as high as 125 to 130 Volts without causing much trouble. The high voltage is using two poles of your electric box thereby the voltage will be approximately double the low voltage (150 to 160 Volts).

What causes your appliances the biggest problem is inconsistant voltage, especially big spikes (a sudden but sometimes brief, large increase). It will especially affect computers that are not surge protected. Another problem is in what is called Hertz. Household electricity runs on approx. 60 Hertz. If this is not fairly constant it cause appliances to run cold or extra hot wearing the parts out prematurely. You can tell if this is the problem by looking at incandesant bulbs. If the bulb looks weak, low in light, and flickers a lot the Hertz are too slow. If they are extra bright and steady the Hertz are to high.


If the utility company has a known problem and that problem is causing your appliances to go bad then they are responsible for repairing or replacing them. Depending on the utility company that may be a big fight to get it done.

I decided to post this here instead of in the Political area because it concerns parents with children in the public schools. This movie that the ACLU wants shown in schools has no educational value except to educate our children in things that should not be seen by adults let alone 8th grade children. There is explicit sexual scenes, homosexuality and other such degenerate displays.

I can't, won't give the full article because of the content not being fitting for this forum. Following though is a snip of it so you can get the idea of the situation.

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BARRINGTON - The Rhode Island Affiliate, American Civil Liberties Union sent a letter to the Barrington School Department on Friday denouncing its recent decision to ban the film "Dirty Deeds" from ever being shown in local schools.

The letter, written by Rhode Island ACLU Executive Director Steven Brown, stated that "this decision sets a dangerous precedent that does damage to the mission of the public schools in Barrington and seriously erodes the principles underlying the district's instructional material selection policy."

The issue grabbed headlines last month when a pair of Barrington parents, Richard Gamache and Pamela Lowell, filed complaints over the middle school screening of the film, which was co-written by accomplished author and middle school volunteer Jon Land and Barrington High School graduate Jon Thies. The district followed policy and created a review panel, which examined the material involved and issued a finding on Thursday, Nov. 3 — banning the film forever from local schools.

That didn't sit well with the co-writers or the ACLU.

"I was very surprised to see what they had decided," Mr. Brown said. "This type of broad-based censorship doesn't seem to happen much anymore, especially not in a town like Barrington. It's clearly an over-reaction."

The letter from Mr. Brown opened with the following statement: "I am writing to express our organization's extreme disappointment with the school district's decision ... to completely ban the film 'Dirty Deeds' from being shown at any time in any classroom in Barrington."

In the letter, Mr. Brown questions the policy used to decide the banning.

"The ban, we submit, appears to fly in the face of this carefully crafted criterion," he wrote, referring to the review policy. "A decision to completely ban any classroom — whether in sixth grade or twelfth grade — from screening a PG-13 movie clearly fails to undertake the more nuanced consideration that this policy envisions."

The letter also challenges the rationale underlying the judgment because of "the complete secrecy surrounding the decision-making."

In fact, the very little is known about the review process, a point that disturbed Mr. Brown.

"As we understand it, the complaint prompting the review of the film is private, the deliberations of the review committee were done in secret, and the rationale for the decision and documents explaining the decision are not subject to public scrutiny either."

Mr. Brown said he would have thought a film — despite its questionable material — would be used as a shining example of the success of the high school's senior project program, rather than being banned for eternity.

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Again I strongly urge all parents to insure that you know what your children are being exposed to in the public schools and to take action to let them know (including the ACLU) that you don't want your children being exposed to such.

If the ACLU gets their way then I am more inclined than ever to go along with the S.Baptist convention of incouraging people to take their children out of public schools.

HOW does this topic have 49 pages?

uhhh .....  because it was silly fun ....  

 

'BIBLE LITERACY PROJECT' MAKES A MOCKERY OF BIBLIAL LITERACY
  by MONTANA NEWS ASSOCIATION

/MNA PRESS/ NOV 9, 2005-- The Bible faces a rising onslaught of ridicule, and legal assaults. Its most vocal antagonists include People for the American Way and the ACLU. Why would such opponents applaud a textbook titled, The Bible and Its Influence? Why such support for a revolutionary curriculum published by the Bible Literacy Project?

The answer may lie in the word revolutionary. This new curriculum fits into a set of social and political changes that would try to affect every
American. Joseph Farah, founder of WorldNetDaily, summarized it well in his exposure, of a "political movement" called Communitarianism, "which places the importance of society ahead of the unfettered rights of the individual."

"I still believe in old fashioned freedom" Farah concluded, "In the inalienable rights of the individual and the limited powers of the state, these are concepts at odds with Communitarianism."

General Ben Partin shares that concern. In a recent conversation (11-2-05), he recalled that, "The 1928 Program of Third International calls for disarming the citizenry as a final step in the 'preparatory phase' of a Communist 'War of National Liberation.'" Not surprisingly, the 1991 Communitarian Platform calls for domestic disarmament. What is the difference between "disarming the citizenry" and "domestic disarmament?"

Amitai Etzioni, founder of the Communitarian Network, is a member of Mikhail Gorbachev's World Political Forum. The Forum website introduces Etzioni as "Director of the Institute for Communitarian Policy Studies." Etzioni's agenda fits Gorbachev's modernized Communism well. Dialogue (Marx's dialectic process) is essential to both.

The Bible Literacy Project's textbook illustrates the process. Inviting speculation and new interpretations, it instills new meanings in student's minds:

1. Prompts students to question God's character: "Do you think Adam and Eve received a fair deal as described in Genesis?"

2. Undermines Christianity: "Jesus was also seen as an example of self sacrifice that can be imitated." ... "...find examples of such Christ figures in literature, film or even music."

3. Ridicules Biblical warnings: "You've probably seen cartoon or movie depictions of the prophet of doom, a shaggy bearded individual in ragged robes, ranting from a soapbox..." "Try your hand at doing some apocalyptic writing."

Many people closely involved with the Bible Literacy Project are members of the Communitarian Network and share it's mission. They serve on the Bible Literacy Project Board of Directors and Advisory Board. Some of these are:

Charles Haynes, a contributor to the BLP textbook, speaks both for the Bible Literacy Project and for the Freedom Forum, formerly the Gannett Foundation (the liberal Gannett media). Not only involved with the Communitarian Network, he also serves on the Advisory Board of The Pluralism Project', which includes Margot Adler, a Wiccan priestess. As senior scholar at the Freedom Forum's First Amendment Center, Haynes works closely with its lawyer Oliver Thomas, who co-authored "The Right to Religious Liberty," the "basic ACLU Guide."

Os Guinness has worked with Charles Haynes for over 15 years. Quoted by Amitai Etzioni, he is signatory to two Communitarian papers. David Blankenhorn (Board of Directors of BLP), Mary Ann Glendon and Jean Bethke Elstain (Advisory Board of BLP) are also signatories to the Communitarian Platform.

Communitarian ideals sound noble to those who don't remember the terrors of last century's experiments with collectivism. The Bible Literacy Project will spread those ideals and make a mockery of true Biblical literacy.