[The list is lengthy, and I give all Glory to God. If I Glory or Boast in anything, it will be in JESUS.]

how could you dare say that speaking in tongues is a sin? (pride is a sin correct?) how did your research lead you to that truth? please, please be careful brother, not to enter into blasphemy. you do not think its strange that as a child of god you do not have a desire for, or even look down on one or any of gods gifts to the point where you have wrote it off as a prideful gift? who do you think you are, really? if god hasn't written it off, how dare you. but i see this level of learning has gone in a terrible direction, so as not to cause you to get yourself into trouble with god, i'll be very careful how i make my points and use wisdom to only give you what you can handle.. god bless you my brother.

it would be a terrible shame to spend years in church, and never know god for real. not saying that if you haven't spoke in tongues you don't know god for real, but saying how can a common man, human, FLESH, denounce any of gods gifting and write it off as a sin to be blessed with a spiritual gift? dangerous...VERY DANGEROUS. on those things that you know nothing about, it would do you better not to speak on. please note that i love you in jesus name....to god be the glory for the things that he has done. there are many gifts, tongues is one of them and i dare not be so bold as to start trying to teach god...i'd rather be the student here. humble yourself and harden not your heart...you are in very dangerous territory and it would serve you well not speak on those things that god hasn't released to your understanding.

don't be angry if i wash his feet with my tears, and i dry them with my hair.  


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Hey BEP,

praise the lord. all of gods truths matter. many people aare confessing the holy spirit, and they have no power or evidence. i'm not judging those people, i just will not lie to them and tell them they're ok the way they are. you must be baptized, in jesus name, and filled with the holy spirit. its time out for having church people teach us church doctrine...scripture after scripture and still have not heard, the pharasees were very good at that...it doesn't move me. i do not need a religion, i need a relationship with god. relationship will always take you deeper than religion. what can be more important than the things of god? i didn't start this topic, i just responded. i do not really expect people to celebrate and agree with me, but thats the price i'll have to pay to "cry loud and spare not"! you will not find many to agree with what they have not yet not found. of course those people who claim to know god and to be religious scholars won't agree with a gift they haven't embraced. but glory be to god for whatever gifts they have embraced, we are one body....god bless you all!

Hello GKB,

You seem to be telling us that if we don't speak in tongues that we have no power, no evidence, and are like Pharisees. That's certainly the way that I read your post, and you would be quite wrong.

Real or false, speaking in tongues was a matter of pride, vanity, disruption in the church, and division in the days of the Apostle Paul. It appears that nothing has changed in 2,000 years. I would simply say that tongues are nothing in comparison to what the Holy Spirit of God can and does give the children of God. The best things are the quiet and Holy things of GOD that do not relate to the pride and vanity of men.

I, for one, have no desire at all to speak in tongues, play with snakes, drink poison, etc., etc. God has already given me many things that are 1,000 times more important. The list is lengthy, and I give all Glory to God. If I Glory or Boast in anything, it will be in JESUS.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hebrews 7:18-19 NASB  For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

[The list is lengthy, and I give all Glory to God. If I Glory or Boast in anything, it will be in JESUS.]

how could you dare say that speaking in tongues is a sin? (pride is a sin correct?) how did your research lead you to that truth? please, please be careful brother, not to enter into blasphemy. you do not think its strange that as a child of god you do not have a desire for, or even look down on one or any of gods gifts to the point where you have wrote it off as a prideful gift? who do you think you are, really? if god hasn't written it off, how dare you. but i see this level of learning has gone in a terrible direction, so as not to cause you to get yourself into trouble with god, i'll be very careful how i make my points and use wisdom to only give you what you can handle.. god bless you my brother.

it would be a terrible shame to spend years in church, and never know god for real. not saying that if you haven't spoke in tongues you don't know god for real, but saying how can a common man, human, FLESH, denounce any of gods gifting and write it off as a sin to be blessed with a spiritual gift? dangerous...VERY DANGEROUS. on those things that you know nothing about, it would do you better not to speak on. please note that i love you in jesus name....to god be the glory for the things that he has done. there are many gifts, tongues is one of them and i dare not be so bold as to start trying to teach god...i'd rather be the student here. humble yourself and harden not your heart...you are in very dangerous territory and it would serve you well not speak on those things that god hasn't released to your understanding.

don't be angry if i wash his feet with my tears, and i dry them with my hair. author=blackeyedpealink=board=7;threadid=9383;start=30#msg117616 date=1135874283]

Hey BEP,

praise the lord. all of gods truths matter. many people aare confessing the holy spirit, and they have no power or evidence. i'm not judging those people, i just will not lie to them and tell them they're ok the way they are. you must be baptized, in jesus name, and filled with the holy spirit. its time out for having church people teach us church doctrine...scripture after scripture and still have not heard, the pharasees were very good at that...it doesn't move me. i do not need a religion, i need a relationship with god. relationship will always take you deeper than religion. what can be more important than the things of god? i didn't start this topic, i just responded. i do not really expect people to celebrate and agree with me, but thats the price i'll have to pay to "cry loud and spare not"! you will not find many to agree with what they have not yet not found. of course those people who claim to know god and to be religious scholars won't agree with a gift they haven't embraced. but glory be to god for whatever gifts they have embraced, we are one body....god bless you all!

Hello GKB,

You seem to be telling us that if we don't speak in tongues that we have no power, no evidence, and are like Pharisees. That's certainly the way that I read your post, and you would be quite wrong.

Real or false, speaking in tongues was a matter of pride, vanity, disruption in the church, and division in the days of the Apostle Paul. It appears that nothing has changed in 2,000 years. I would simply say that tongues are nothing in comparison to what the Holy Spirit of God can and does give the children of God. The best things are the quiet and Holy things of GOD that do not relate to the pride and vanity of men.

I, for one, have no desire at all to speak in tongues, play with snakes, drink poison, etc., etc. God has already given me many things that are 1,000 times more important. The list is lengthy, and I give all Glory to God. If I Glory or Boast in anything, it will be in JESUS.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hebrews 7:18-19 NASB  For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

There are many holy names, true enough! but only at the name of jesus shall avery knee bow and every tongue confess! why not at the name of the father? i just believe that jesus covers everything and every name that is holy!

not even if that name is jesus?

this is  such an interesting and joyous site.

let me just say this and than i'm going to leave it. we claim to know so much, instead of just humbling ourselves and just admiting we are still learning....no one but god is the authority and so we better yeild to him before we go preaching things that will put his children in danger.

IF ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED WERE TRUE, THE DEVIL WOULD LEAVE YOU ALONE AFTER YOU GOT SAVED. the devil banks on our ignorance... if osas were true, than why does the devil bother to still tempt us? for what? he only tried to tempt jesus when he thought there was a chance he could trick him. its a shame to say, but to often the devil knows more about what matters than what us christians and religious leaders claims to know. think what you want to think, the devil knows that if he can trick you into sin, he can get you into hell....there must be some consequence otherwise he'd leave you alone.....

come on christians....we are on the battlefeild! when lust is conceived it brings forth sin, and sin when it is finished brings forth death!

i certainly do not deny any part of jesus- father, son, or holy ghost! i simply wonder if father, son, and holy ghost are titles, what would be the name that linked all three together as one? (i am a  son, but i'm not everyones son, how do i identify whose son i am....there is a name!)

Hey BEP,

praise the lord. all of gods truths matter. many people aare confessing the holy spirit, and they have no power or evidence. i'm not judging those people, i just will not lie to them and tell them they're ok the way they are. you must be baptized, in jesus name, and filled with the holy spirit. its time out for having church people teach us church doctrine...scripture after scripture and still have not heard, the pharasees were very good at that...it doesn't move me. i do not need a religion, i need a relationship with god. relationship will always take you deeper than religion. what can be more important than the things of god? i didn't start this topic, i just responded. i do not really expect people to celebrate and agree with me, but thats the price i'll have to pay to "cry loud and spare not"! you will not find many to agree with what they have not yet not found. of course those people who claim to know god and to be religious scholars won't agree with a gift they haven't embraced. but glory be to god for whatever gifts they have embraced, we are one body....god bless you all!

so let me ask you, are they in some sort of order? for example god=1 son=2 holy ghost=3. it almost seems like we are limiting god to our system so that we can understand. isn't god, son, and holy ghost titles? like pastor, minister, deacon? does it say who it is?

bep,

i hear and i agree, i'm just not completely clear on what point you are making. please clearify for me. you did say you wasn't sure if it related or not, but still, what were you feeling whan you said to yourself, let me share this? what about it hit you?

JESUS IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON! PRAISE YE THE LORD! SING UNTO THE LORD, AND BLESS HIS HO;Y NAME!

JUST WANT TO SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS! PRAISE THE LORD JESUS!

BEP, Pastor roger, digitgen, and others:

i do not debate the things of god, because the things of god are not up for discussion as far as i am concerned. the only reason i indulge in some of these conversations is because i really view you all as brothers and sisters. I only want to share  with you what god has shared with me. there are many things that you all have shared with me that has blessed me tremendously, i pray the you all will receive what has the power to bless you tremendously. i do not argue the things of god, i share the things of god.

bep, i understand where you are coming from in reguards to men and women falsely imitating the things of god, and trust me, i am in total agreement (if you knew me in person you would know how true this is)...but i do not want the false people to discourage or limit the sons and daughters of god.

sometimes we are so careful not to become false that we cheat ourselves out of what is real...however, i understand. i hope no one is offended...and i pray that your further studies will bless you.

digitgen, "if" your purpose for striking this conversation was because you knew the truth and wanted others to know, well than job well done! hoipefully we will all continue to learn from each other as a body....bless you all. merry christmas and happy new year! TO GOD BE THE GLORY FOR THE THINGS HE HAS DONE!

that is a shame that people are buying into this type of crap, i knew that it was proberly off when i heard a mans name mentioned as the teachings.... its terrible.

however i thought the oneness doctrine was the belief that god the father, jesus and the holy spirit were one.

BEP, i really do appreciate and agree with the majority of what you said, specifically as it relates to keeping the peace in a forum that is geared toward blessing and honoring god. if i appear to be angry, please note that i'm not. as a matter of fact i'm glad that you posted the previous post.

i am simply giving my stand point on the matter. not to affend, but to raise our level reception as it relates to the things of god.

let me explain why i said we must be careful that we are not tricked into blasphemy. 1 cor 12:8-11 reads For to one is given by the spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same spirit; (9) to another faith by the same spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same spirit; (10) to another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: (11) but all these worketh that one and the selfsame spirit, dividing to everyman severally as he will.

this scripture lets me know that for the sake of the  body of christ all of the spiritual gifts are at work. if we still have miracles, or discerning, etc... why not tongues? it is the same spirit that gives them all. how is the gifts of tongues outdated, and phrophecy not? there in the same scripture in the same book. now that spirit that gives them is the holy spirit. do we agree??? if so read on. if not you can stop here.

next i need to take you over to matt 12:31 and it reads wherefore i say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the holy ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. (you can read as far as 12:32 if you like), and mark 3:29 reads but he that shall blaspheme against the holy ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

now let me take  you over to romans 8:26 likewise the spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: BUT THE SPIRIT ITSELF MAKETH INTERCESSION FOR US WITH GROANINGS WHICH CANNOT BE UTTERED (27) and he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of god. so here we see the the spirit through groanings by the holy ghost making intercession for us in a language that is not for the nations to understand, but for the lord god only...agree? good, read on.

so the bible has given us to know that the spirit of god has given out the gift of tongues for the purpose of intercession, if i denounce the gifts of the spirit, do i mistakenly denounce the spirit that has the power to give these gifts? i know in our minds we'd like to tell ourselves no, but if i reject the works of the holy ghost, i reject the holy ghost....and i speak against its power. now heres the scriptures just in case anyone thinks that i am talking out the side of my head. i am not just teaching or talking what a religion taught me, i'm teaching what the bible teaches...this is not for the sake of disagreement but instead i'd like you to not limit the holy ghost or his power....this is why i said we may be slipping into blasphemy against the holy spirit. but bep, pastor roger, etc. you need not respond, if you can get anything from this, great if not, discard it. i will still love you all in the name of jesus. ( i mean that, i have really grown to appreciate you guys, but even if i haven't, i'd love you in jesus name.) you see the spirit can pray for some things that you and i can't...oh its real, the question is, is it or will it ever be real for you?

i'm going to say this, and than i am going to leave it alone. people are and have always been afraid of what they do not fully understand with their carnal minds. everything about about christ is not suppose to make sense to your carnal mind. i've seen the gift of tongues active, i've seen the gift of interpretation active. but i guess i witnessed these things because i'd rather believe jesus instead of people....yeah, i chose to lean not to my own understanding. but i realize when you begin to know and love the lord for real, you instantly become a minority. so in this life i do not expect many to agree with me, i just have to know what i know. i simplly know that my life has changed since this jesus that i've come in contact with entered in. i've tried all these "churches" none of which were able to change my life. so i'll just be crazy enough to stick with what works...even if you or for that matter i don't understand it! the holy spirit has done amazing things in my life and i will not write him off to conform to a person or people who would still rather believe what they can figure out. be warned to be careful that you do not mistakenly enter into blasphemy! a mans ways are right in his own eyes, but only the lord can weigh the spirits. so who are we to say the lords spirit doesn't exisist in any area? you are limited to your beliefs, not the lord.