Japan finally admits today that it had 3 FULL MELTDOWNS very shortly after the earthquake and tsunami......at Reactors 1, 2, and 3. 


http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/06/06/japan.nuclear.meltdown/index.html

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I moved from the Pre-Trib to the Pre-Wrath position so many years ago that it is difficult for me to remember all the specifics of Pre-Trib. 


It appears to me from the following verse that the door to salvation is closed upon the appearance of the man of evil.  Who exactly then are the Tribulation Saints as talked about by those adhering to Pre-Trib?


The King of Egypt had been persecuting Israel for quite some time.  Then......even after seeing firsthand the wrath judgments of God.......he would relent for awhile........but then again begin to persecute Israel.  God had hardened his heart.  In the end times, God will send forth a strong delusion.  I believe that it will have a similar affect on those living through that time.




"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders., and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they ALL (ALL) may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."


Just prior to the coming of the lawless one:   "they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved."


The door to salvation therefore appears to be shut at the time of his coming.......the son of perdition. 


Several years later, the 6th Trumpet Judgment of the 7th Seal will be so severe that one-third of mankind will be killed.

Of the survivors.........how many will come to Christ?   How many are already in Christ?       Answer:   None           (See Rev. 9: 20-21)


"But the rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood........

Rothschild:     Part 1 of 6:         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uehhnzIuK7g&feature=player_embedded#at=13

Thanks Tom for the input.  Yes....we can all disagree on these secondary issues........that is no problem with me. 


I am only trying to make a simple point as the other poster mentioned that I was trying to make God a liar. 

I know that God will catch us up prior to unleashing His wrath.

Here is the point that I was trying to make.  We know that the final 7 years is referred to as Daniel's 70th week.


Therefore............why did humans some time ago also need a second expression to define it???

i.e. "The Tribulation Period"


As this is not in Scripture, it is an addition to Scripture. 


If some other expression were chosen........such as "Daniel's Period"..........you might have fewer misinterpretations when reading about end time events.


However, by choosing an expression with the word "Tribulation" in it.........."Tribulation Period".........and defining it as the final seven years.............and then also saying that "The Great Tribulation" is the final 3.5 years...........you will run into problems with you come across Scripture that contain the word:  tribulation....or great tribulation. 


God just put the word tribulation in the His Word to signify a time of great trouble.........that's it.


However, with the human addition of "tribulation period" added to our thinking.........many people will assign 3.5 or 7.0 years to the verse...........and this can result in error. 


For example, beginning in Mt 24:15 we have the abomination seen standing in the holy place.  A time a severe persecution is about to begin.  We then proceed down to verse 21 and 22:


"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.  And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved;  but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened." 


Some people might get confused with this verse........because they assign the final 3.5 years to it........as they have seen the words:    great tribulation.


However, 3.5 years should NOT be assigned to it...........because "The Great Tribulation" is a human invention.


Without the human imposition, it is easy to see how God can shorten those days.  It is not a fixed 3.5 year period.


It is just a time of great difficulty.........and for the sake of the elect............God will at some point in time end it.



Moving to verse 29............"Immediately after the tribulation of those days.............."


Here again.........it is an error to place the section that follows this verse at the very end of Daniel's 70th week. 


Verse 29 is just referring to the point in time just after the persecution has been ended by God.  There is no way to tell exactly when that will be.


Error:    "Immediately after the human-inspired "Seven Year Tribulation Period" of those days............


It was probably justified because it is easier to say   "Pre-Trib" than "Pre-Daniel's 70th week".........however it can result in errors when reading Scriptures that contain the words tribulation or great tribulation.


It is a subtle error........but Satan is the master of half-truths......and has always been interested in dividing and confusing the Body of Christ.   This will be put to an end when Christ returns.    Praise God. 

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The Bible is clear. Those who are in Christ will be raptured before the tribulation. To say otherwise, is calling God a liar.

OK........please show me the Scriptures that defines "The Tribulation Period" as a seven year period and the same thing as Daniel's 70th week........as you state that the "rapture" occurs before "the tribulation."

There is actually a warning at the end of the book of Revelations about adding to the prophecy or taking things out. 

There is no biblical support for the Church......the gentile believers in Christ......to be raptured out prior to Daniel's 70th week.  Daniel's 70th week is for Israel......the final seven years of which God will hide His face from them......for grievous sins that took place a long time ago. 


The only thing possibly associated with the beginning of Daniel's 70th week is the "covenant with death".......a false peace treaty between the leadership of Israel and the son of perdition.  He does not begin his persecution of the Jews until the mid-point of Daniel's 70th week. 

The 144,000 of Israel are sealed from harm just prior to God's wrath......just prior to the 7th Seal of Revelation.  They are not sealed from harm prior to the 1st Seal........nor is there any evidence that they are sealed from harm just prior to the beginning of Daniel's 70th week. 

This was an INCREDIBLE set of Tornadoes which blasted through Saint Louis. These tornadic storms contained the strongest radiation I have detected to date. At over 2 feet of distance from the fallout rain exposed truck, the Geiger counter read 4 times background radiation (0.038 mR/hr).

"Several samples were taken from the truck, the max reading was 0.62 mR/hr or 62 TIMES background radiation. The radiation appeared to be a roughly 50/50 split of Alpha and Beta radiation. When this sample was taken, it had already been STORMING for over 1.5 hours, obviously precluding any chance of this fallout being from naturally generated washout."       (St. Lous Area)


Per:     www.POTRBLOG.com


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Satan is both a liar and a murderer.  He has been influencing humans to kill both Jews and Christians for many years now........even at this moment.  In the end times.......he will be kicked out of heavan.......and the bad angels with him.  They will be full of wrath because they know that their time is short.   Rev. Chp. 12


"God has not appointed us for wrath".......namely His wrath.


I think that it is therefore crucial to identify where God's wrath begins. 


As the "Tribulation Period" and "Great Tribulation Period" are not found in Scripture......but are man-made expressions.......they are additions to Scripture.  I prefer not to use them.


Daniel's 70th week is all that can be used to describe the final seven years.......and  some of it most certainly shares some events with the 7 Seals of Revelation.

Revelations was given by Christ through John and addressed to the Church.   The 70 weeks prophecy was given to Daniel in response to his intercession for his people Israel.  He was asked how long the punishment would last.....how long God would hide His face from Israel.

By strictly adhering to the proper terms.......you will not get misled by prophetic Scripture that might include the word tribulation. 

It should just be read in it's normal sense......a time of great trouble.......the length of which is not specified. 



For example:


"Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light:  the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.  Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."  (Mt 24: 29-31)

Mark 13:27     "from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven."

Incorrect Translation........"Immediately after the final seven years of Daniel's 70th week......."

As there is no Tribulation Period defined as such in Scripture.....you must translate translate the word "tribulation" as a time of great trouble........period.

There is no Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, or Post-Trib.


While Christ opens all 7 Seals of Revelation........the first 5 Seals of Revelation are part Satan's wrath......expressed through humans.

The persecution described in the 5th Seal and Rev. Chp 12 is ended by God after a period of time........"otherwise no flesh would be saved."

Then the whole world goes dark for an unspecified period of time.  The great ones of the world hide in fear in caves.  They know that God's wrath is about to begin.

They say to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!  FOR THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH HAS COME, and who is able to stand." (Rev.  6: 16-17)


This is stated in a very clear manner......please take note.  God is not the author of confusion. 


Then the 144,000 of Israel are sealed from harm.  They will remain on earth.  They are not sealed from harm prior to the First Seal........but just prior to the 7th Seal.

Also.......a great multitude from all the nations is discussed standing in heaven.  They can wear robes and have palm branches in their hands.  These are the Gentile believers in Christ who have been caught up by angels.  The parallel section was discussed in Mt. 24.  For the "rapture".......you do not just disappear.  That is a human addition to Scripture.  You are actually caught up by the angels to be with your Lord. 

Then you have God's wrath.......as described in the 7th Seal.  The 5th trumpet judgment by itself is 5 months in duration. 


In terms of Daniel's 70th week..........you will have the 3rd (day's wages for a loaf of bread) and 4th Seals before the mid-point.  The midpoint is the man of evil's persecution of first the Jews.......and then their offspring (the Gentile believers in Christ) (Rev 12).  This time of Jacob's trouble from the mid-point will go on a few years or so.......and God will end it.

Then the world will go dark for an unspecified period of time.

Then the Day of the Lord and His wrath will be announced.

Then the Sealing and the "Rapture." 

Then God's wrath......7th Seal........approx. the final 1.5 years of Daniel's 70th week.

During the 7th Seal we will be with the Lord.....for the marriage supper of the Lamb.  We will then return from the sky on white horses with Him........and He will destroy His enemies with a Word from His mouth. 

Then the Millennial kingdom will be ushered in with Christ as King of the world and David as prince over his people Israel.  The Saints will be involved in many things.  Not only are we described in Scripture as His children.......but we are also incredibly described as co-heirs with Christ.  We will be priests......serve as judges.....and probably have many other responsibilities as well. 

After the 1,000 years, Satan will be released for a short time and there will be one final battle.  Then God will burn up the earth and create a new one.  And we will be forever with the Lord. 


The above position is known as:    Pre-Wrath


To my knowledge.......the Pre-Trib position views all of the 7 Seals as God's wrath......and that the rapture takes place prior to the First Seal.  However, if you see a day's wages for a loaf of bread in your lifetime......on a worldwide basis......you will know that you are at the 3rd Seal. 

Remember............the Lord says to flee to the wilderness at the 5th Seal.  Have faith......He would not tell you to flee to the wilderness just to have you starve there.   The main thing is to be far away from other humans.


Jesus:   "Take heed;    see, I have told you all things beforehand."


"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil;  for You are with me."
 

Hi Tom


Not even sure that that would work because I have heard that there are leaks which are at the bottom of the plants which leach things into the soil and ground water.....and to the ocean.   When they pour in water from the top to cool things off......it just leaks out the bottom......radioactive water leaking out the bottom and into the earth, groundwater, etc.

The radiation levels have gotten so high in the area that workers probably cannot even go in there......even in radiation suits. 


I have heard that these type of plants take about 30 years to cool off......which is pretty incredible when you think about it.


A real mess over there......that's for sure.


It appears that Plant #1 is in a full scale melt down.

http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/


Click English to translate.


Apparently there has recently been a big spike at Plant #1 and the radiation release is about 20 times more than what would kill a person in a short amount of time. 

Hi Tom  Thanks for the input.  I am relying on God for His supernatural protection.   He fully understands our weaknesses and is aware of all the dangers out there confronting His children.  Have a nice week Tom. 

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Thanks Tom and Soldier for the input. 


I have pretty much given up on trying to get one.  It does not really matter.  This is what faith in God is all about.  He alone knows about all the bad stuff out there.........and I am clinging to Him for myself and family.


Besides...........I need to pay the property tax soon.........need tires.........etc.    You know the routine.