I know it's early, but it's been on my mind. Bush wants more money and more time to finish business in Iraq.

Bush is just a pawn in the big game, I am a Bush supporter all the way, he will give the USA another 4 years of freedom, and then YIKES who knows!

The Iraq business almost has a mind of it's own.  It is an integral part of the "Last Day" scenario (Babylon). The subsequent Iraq government will be put into place, most likely the cousin of Jordanian King Abduallah II will take over as the Monarchy/democratic governor, Sharif Ali bin al-Hussein (not to be confused with Sadaam).  This guy, Ali, is the cousin of the former King of Iraq, King Faisal II  who was assassinated along with his entire family, paving the way for Sadaam Hussein.  It is a fascinating history, if anyone is interested in some of the facts.

#1
Maybe if certain groups of Christian would not attack other groups with lies, and in their ignorance, refuse to take correction, we could all get along better.


#2
Oh, in that case, lets just sit up in our 20 million dollar church build and enjoy the milk and honey and wait for the all the poor to kill each other or die out! Read the story, read your bible for a change, as I recalled, Jesus clearly state “You will always have the poor among you, you will not always have me.”


#3
Then why can’t they carry it to church?  

This is my last reply to you on this subject, I find you bitter and offensive in your replies.  My guess is you are around 19 or 20 years old, (maybe even younger) by the way you articulate your sentences, but you should back off on Christians you don't even know, try to be a little more compassionate in your reponses. How can you correct anyone? There is no maturity in your dialog. As for me, I prefer not to have dialog with you.  God bless you and teach you.

[HE will]

"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth." [John 16.13].

There are many Godly men and women on this forum, who are a blessing to us in the truth they share with us. But the ultimate Guide to the truth is the One who lives in us. The Holy Spirit of God.

I know this may seem a simple answer, but that is how God works. "Come unto Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." [Matt. 11.28-30].

Blessings to you in Christ our Lord.  Roy.

Not so simple, ROYO, there is a lot in what you said. "HE will guide you into all truth"

OK then, The Spirit, "HE", will guide me to it, and TEACH ME TRUTH; (I may be on the wrong track, but if the Holy Spirit comes, or I come to Jesus, He will guide me"

"He" is God (do we all agree?)

I looked up that scripture and the second portion of it says this:
"for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come."

I don't agree with what Heidi said, and I quote; "Now an atheist might ask "how do you know if this entity that entered you is from God?" The answer is that it HAS to be from God. " I have read plenty on this forum so far that may sound smart, but does not sound TRUE!

There HAS TO BE SOMETHING TO COMPARE A PERSON'S STATEMENT TO SO THAT YOU CAN DETERMINE IT IS TRUE, ELSE THERE IS NO TRUTH(?) that is what Pilate was implying to Jesus.

I  do agree, however,with what Heidi has said, quote, "This entity (the Holy Spirit) that is sent to us from God has also re-enforced everything Christ said about it." I agree because that in what the scripture says.


To summarize, based upon the replies so far:
1. The Holy Spirit guides us to the truth if we come to Jesus,("come unto me, all ye...")
2. The Holy Spirit, does not  "speak of himself"
3. The Holy Spirit, comes from God
4. And the MOST OBVIOUS, is we must use the Bible as the base, because opinions are just that OPINIONS. YES?
5.  The truth is  restful to your soul
 

[HOW CAN WE KNOW WHAT IS TRUTH AND WHEN THE TRUTH IS EVIDENT IN A GIVEN DEBATE?]

The Apostle John recorded the following dialog between Pontius Pilate and Jesus:
John 18
37  Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
38  Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

My questions are these...
1. HOW CAN WE KNOW WHAT IS TRUTH AND WHEN THE TRUTH IS EVIDENT IN A GIVEN DEBATE?
2. What can we  rely upon?
3. What can we compare with?
4. What is the confirmation we should look for?

[WWJD]

Tibby, ebia, et al - SNIDErs -  ???This is not WWJD

Oh no? He had no problem telling people they were a brood of Viper. He happily throw out those who cheapened his temple with a whip. You want a peaceful role model, go for Gandhi. This is Jesus we are talking about. The man who was so intense about what he believed that he sweat blood. This is the man who never said a word while he was brutally whipped! What would Jesus do? Jesus would die for the worlds sins! DO NOT Tell me to do what Jesus would do until you have died on the cross for the world, ok? If you don’t like this “war” that is taking place, then don’t be a party to it, don’t post on this thread.

Jesus was sinless, he had the right, he was also gracious in his teachings- now you??? hmmm  

A tad snide, there, Sumodino. WWJD?, On a more serous note, that is exactly my point. You can’t compare us to Jesus. We has “sinless.” Have for helping me prove my point

You bet, too much perhaps, but frankly, I have been reading some of the comments made on this ChristiansUnite forum and I see a lot less christianity and more synical secular attitudes.  Some of you are even suggesting some of US go somewhere else.  I am new to this site, I like it, and am a little taken  back by your flat, cold, loveless responses.  The fact that it is all anonymous is probably a big help, But Jesus is not anonymous, and much of what is said here will be weighed.  I am done with this subject.

muy stupido

So, we have resorted to Spanish insults as a way of arguing now? Anyways, why an I “muy stupido”?  Because I don’t believe a church is required to pay money to spend on 1 bible per person, when most of the people have bibles laying at home anyways, when that money could be spend helping the poor, helping those who NEED IT. Let people starve to death, let them die in 3rd world countries, but God forbid our church goers have to care 2-4 lbs book. Judge a church by what’s in the heart, not what in the pews.

The spanish came from an earlier debate between ebia and Knox regarding how many avg. Mexicans were Catholic. It was a stupid joke.

However, I do disagree with your statement about bringing your Bible to church, and your added comment about "this money could better be spent on the poor"  
check this Bible quote out:
John 4:12
4  Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
5  Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
Some things are better off kept and not "given to the poor" the Bible being the MOST IMPORTANT POSSESSION A CHRISTIAN CAN HAVE IF HE/SHE READS IT!

[WWJD]

Tibby, ebia, et al - SNIDErs -  ???This is not WWJD

Oh no? He had no problem telling people they were a brood of Viper. He happily throw out those who cheapened his temple with a whip. You want a peaceful role model, go for Gandhi. This is Jesus we are talking about. The man who was so intense about what he believed that he sweat blood. This is the man who never said a word while he was brutally whipped! What would Jesus do? Jesus would die for the worlds sins! DO NOT Tell me to do what Jesus would do until you have died on the cross for the world, ok? If you don’t like this “war” that is taking place, then don’t be a party to it, don’t post on this thread.

Jesus was sinless, he had the right, he was also gracious in his teachings- now you??? hmmm  

As for the Catholic church Discouraging the bible, I’d suggest you not believe everything someone tells you. Why should there be bibles in the pews? First of my, my church doesn’t have pews, we have linking chairs with on pockets on the back. Where do you want US to keep Bibles? Secondly, It isn’t scriptural for us to have bibles in the pews. It isn’t scriptural for us to have pews! Thirdly, the Preacher READS the bible verse to you, anyways. And Finally, why are you so lazy that you can’t drag your own copy up to church? I don’t know about you, Heidi, but I would rather have my copy at church.

muy stupido

from ebia...
In this thread I'm not siding with non-Christians - I'm siding with a Catholic Christian.
If it's true on average there could be any number of reasons, for example:
4.  Christians on this board are not representative of the wider Christian world.

SAYS WHO?

5.  I forgot to check-in my brain when I signed up
etc

Not a problem, there is still time....(you are probably nicer without it)

[WWJD]

It seems that nothing can break up this hair pulling, mud wrestling fight!  No wisdom from above, no fellowship of love.

There is a saying; Ignorance is bliss  (except when you have to continually read it on this web site)

Tibby, ebia, et al - SNIDErs -  ???This is not WWJD

Is 58:4  Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness:[/color]

Rom 1:29  Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate...,

Greek: 054. eris, er'-is; of uncert. affin.; a quarrel, i.e. (by impl.) wrangling:--contention, debate, strife, variance.

Prov 1:22  How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?[/color]

[Roman 14]

You could say, that all of us have a little repentance due about how we have tried earnestly to present our views but in some cases, (especially my own) that there was plenty of "snide" to go around.  BEP you snapped me back into reality of how I am expected to fellowship with my fellow Christians, not put them down!  Isn't that what Satan wants, a house divided! Thanks for your wisdom!

What could be as poetic, beautiful, precious and right but this(?)

Roman 14[/u]
5  One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6  He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7  For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8  For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9  For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10  But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11  For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

James 1[/u]
19  Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20  For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21  Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22  But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23  For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24  For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25  But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26  If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27  Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

[1 PETER 3:6]

Help HELP!

Do the scriptures say Sarah is our example? I cant find it
or is this another one of those phrases that is not really scriptural?

1 PETER 3:6  
Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

sunny,

The real point is that many of us on these boards have already been over and over these issues. Not that they aren't important, but watching someone relatively new step in and start ranting about the pagan, succubi-spawn, heretical Catholic church just doesn't have the 'tang' you think it does, and quite frankly isn't likely to generate the type of responses you'd like to see. Though I hesitate to speak for Tibby and Knox, the typical reaction upon reading a post like yours is an exasperated sigh with a reticence to respond given how often we've done so in the past. Not that you should know this given how recently you began posting, but to sum up..

Been there. Done that.

Now the Nazi thing, THAT was new and exciting. But let's face it, all it really needed was a bit of sound historical background and the whole controversy floundered.

Cheers.

I see, you are bored with it, but I did not pose the original question in this thread, "think we need a new Pope since he has confirmed Evolution?"

I jumped in on it, I see  lots of responses here besides mine, including yours, so I don't think it was a "sigh" and a yawn.  

Heidi, don't let them scare you away!    These oldtimers can get pretty tough.

The subject has been pretty much exhausted.  See ya!

Good question. Since we are not welcome here and all. The pagans we are.

Who said that?

Other then most of the dogma does. You haven’t proven otherwise. We have asked you to several times, but you do not.

I quoted from the Catholic Encyc. and the Bible, that these practices still exist, but so what? It is just a discussion.

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Ya think? Lets recap, we have been accused of:

Paganism
Heresy
Turning a blind eye
Idolism
Nazis

And this would offend someone? NO WAY! Your joshing me! You THINK he was just offended?

Sorry

Heidi, sunodino, go play somewhere else. Leave the anti-Catholicism to the Pros. Petro, Saved, John and Baptist. You guys just suck all the fun out of running in circles!

I don't think so.  Why don't you? Is that how you handle problems, vote them off the island?  Too much reality TV.  

Uh, yeah, sunodino, I saw the list. Standard, garden variety Catholic bashing, based on misunderstandings, half-truths, misinformation, and outright lies. Nothing new that I haven't seen countless times, ad nauseum, on the internet. How many forums have you done this on, have Catholics patiently  explain their position to you, then you move on and repeat the process? It's tiresome and kinda boring. And mean-spirited, I think.

Garden variety? Can you explain to me the dogma that does not line up with Scripture?  That is all I am asking for.  And NO I have not been all over the internet about this. I did not start this thread.  Someone asked a simple question about the POPE'S CONFIRMATION OF EVOLUTION, another anti-biblical doctrine.  Not trying to be MEAN spirited.  I think you are just offended.  Sorry bout that.

["anti-catholic bigots?]

It never fails to amaze me when anti-Catholic bigots on the internet try to discredit the Roman Catholic Church by bringing up material from 500 years ago, like "The Inquisition".

"anti-catholic bigots?
If you had read the postings you would understand that it is not about bigotry, but about the pagan practices that are contrary to the BIBLE.

Paul wrote, 2 Tim 3:5, 13
5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
13  But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

and to clarify
Rom 1:16  For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

The RCC denies scripture in favor of pagan tradition, and yes lots of it they are proud to say is over 500 years old!  But the Bible, which they twist, IS THE POWER.

Who was it in the United States that bought and sold human beings, and treated them as beasts of burden? Protestant Christians. The Southern Baptist Convention was founded in 1845 for the express purpose of defending the institution of slavery. They also opposed the Civil Rights initiatives of the 1950's and 1960's.

So you found a way to bring in bigotry against blacks by S. Baptist etc.  

Start a new thread.  Doesn't belong here. This was a logical discussion about RCC. Theological stuff - ya know?

The point is that no responsible Protestant Christian today would be involved in the murder of anybody, just as no responsible Roman Catholic would torture or kill any supposed heretic. Nobody is asking you guys to join the Roman Catholic Church. You don't care for their style of worship, so be it. They are not responsible for something that happend half a millenium ago.

The POINT  is that there is a list of paganistic practices you so smoothly refer to as "style of worship" that are contrary to BIBLE theology.  The list was printed twice in this thread, like worship of Mary, prayers TO and FOR DEAD people, idolatry of medals, relics, statues, etc.

The Point also, is this is a site for theological discussion.  If you can't discuss it here, in christians united, then where?
 

[worketh no ill to his neighbour]

That web page is useless.

Love can be tough when all you've been taught is payback.

Rom. 13:10  Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

1 Cor 13:4,5  Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;


Preach the gospel, stand up for it, don't be ashamed of it, don't need to be cool, just tell someone about how God gave tough love FOR the world, the cruel death on a cross of his only begotten son.

[Hope I bless you and you bless me.]

Go spam!  Go spam!  Go!  Go!  Go spam!

What is that supposed to mean?  If you are not interested in the dialog....(whatever)

I saw this in the intro:
Name is Mr. 5020 (aka Oscar).  I turned 20 yesterday.  I've been saved for 13 years now, and feel called to associate pastoral (possibly bi-vocational) ministry.  Have been a member of TheologyOnline.com since last November and have come to really enjoy forums.  Since TheologyOnline.com is for all religions (or non-religions, as the case may be), I sought out a Christian forum.  So here I am. Hope I bless you and you bless me.

Really.................