The Lamb

[BDoggy]

john-are you saying prayer should not be allowed in school?
if you are saying that prayer should not be 'forced' in school, then i completely agree, but i hope your not saying that school prayer should be prohibited altogether. and what exactly do you mean by, "caesar would have to be used"?

[Brother Love]

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

I feel very strongly about this subject. Our world is getting to be a pretty sad place. My wife is a school teacher, and she and others are talking about changes in text books. Would you believe it if I told you they are taking the stories about Thanksgiving and the pilgrims out of text books because of the link to God? WOW! I can't believe some of the things that are happening. It will probably be replaced with tolerance and respect for gay or alternative life styles.

If space or time is short, God should be given that time and space. Everything else can go, but God must be put on the top of the list for honor, praise, respect, and education. God can still help or heal our sick world and sick societies.

In Christ.

I agree

Brother Love

[John the Baptist]

john-are you saying prayer should not be allowed in school?
if you are saying that prayer should not be 'forced' in school, then i completely agree, but i hope your not saying that school prayer should be prohibited altogether. and what exactly do you mean by, "caesar would have to be used"?

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John here: BDoggy,
Christ is our example, right? What was His message about the coin's other side? (Caesar) Are you familiar with Rom. 13?

Matt. 10:5-6 tells 'us' where He sent His desciples. They were COMMANDED not to go to the Gentile world at this time. Prayer in the world schools were not on Christ's mind! Read the whole chapter from verse 5 on. (Off subject perhaps, but this explains the Matt. 25 PARABLE to a -T-)

Anyone can pray in school. Yet, we would need 'force of law' to make it lawful to have 'all' pray in school. For the law gives protection for the few that would not want this. Could Christ have been legally crucified back then without the changing of our constitution, 'IF' Rome had, had our constitution?? Christ was a minority, 'cult' or an 'real' offshoot & troublemaker to the [majority] of His 'own' denomination! This was & is our MASTER! Huh? see verse 25 of Matt. 10???

What was the trouble when Christ came to His 'own' the first time? That is the same problem at this present time, just before He comes the second time! Again Matt. 10:5-6 tells us that it was not Rome (the then Caesar=U.S.A.) where he sent His WARNING MESSAGE TOO! (the question to think on is, could Christ be killed by His own without Caesars approval?)

If this sounds confussing, it is not. Christ has His professed folks in membership with 'dirty' church denominations. (openly printed sins along with false doctrines-compare Rev, 18:4)
This is where the trouble is. Will Legal Public school prayer (or *any forced law, 666)  clean up dirty Christian church denominations? Read Joshua 7:12's last part of the verse, or Isa. 59:1-2? This is US that are the problem, not Caesar.

The bottom line is: Changing the U.S.A. constitution will NOT aid Christ's reformers, but will make the job depicted in Matt. 10:23's that much harder.  (yes, it will be changed, this is why U.S.A. go from Lamb like to Dragon)
By the way, Christ was ALREADY there speaking in Matt. 10:23, huh??

Hope that this helps BDoggy?
---John  

[Symphony]

All public agencies, including schools, are gradually leading--and being led--astray....

The highest authority in the land, the U.S. Supreme Court, just overturned the antisodomy law of Texas; by implication that overturns the remaining twelves states similarly; and paves the way for gay marriage--literally, as instituted by public agency.

For young families with children to be strapped with "educating" the children with how to make a living, PLUS keeping them aware of God, his law, and His love for us, is double duty.  Increasingly, you have to pay for public schools via significant if not confiscatory taxes, then, if you want to train them Godly like, you have to still do that yourself.  You pay for "services" through your taxes, but you cannot avail yourself of those services, unless you want to hand your children over to "the beast".

[John the Baptist]

All public agencies, including schools, are gradually leading--and being led--astray....

The highest authority in the land, the U.S. Supreme Court, just overturned the antisodomy law of Texas; by implication that overturns the remaining twelves states similarly; and paves the way for gay marriage--literally, as instituted by public agency.

For young families with children to be strapped with "educating" the children with how to make a living, PLUS keeping them aware of God, his law, and His love for us, is double duty.  Increasingly, you have to pay for public schools via significant if not confiscatory taxes, then, if you want to train them Godly like, you have to still do that yourself.  You pay for "services" through your taxes, but you cannot avail yourself of those services, unless you want to hand your children over to "the beast".

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Hi me again, John: VERY TRUE!

But, are not your & my youngins, not inside yoked denominations that are being arrested for 'porn' 'sodomy' child abuse +,  all the while READING IT OPENLY IN THE NEWS & SEEING IT ON T.V.?? (IT IS A FACT!!!!)

What better 'VERY PUBLIC' teacher's can the 'd'evil have than these 'c'hristians? That my friend is why CHRIST HAS A MEASSAGE TO US IN REV.18:4! (Eternal life or death eternal)

We are in the END time, it is not going to get better world/wise.

--John

[Symphony]

True, John, that the "church" has little room to "judge".  It has its own crow to eat, for sure.

I may have taken us off-topic here...

[John the Baptist]

Mary had a little lamb,
his fleece was white as snow.

And everywhere that Mary went,
The Lamb was sure to go.

He followed her to school each day,
T'wasn't even in the rule.

It made the children laugh and play,
To have a Lamb at school.

And then the rules all changed one day,
Illegal it became;

To bring the Lamb of God to school,
Or even speak His Name.! ;

Every day got worse and worse,
And days turned into years.

Instead of hearing children laugh,
We heard gun shots and tears.

What must we do to stop the crime,
That's in our schools today?Let's let the Lamb come back to school, And teach our kids to pray!

Author Unknown

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OFF TOPIC? John here:
(under) NATION--Spartanburg Herald-Journal<>Sunday, 29. 2003

Gay, Lesbian communities experiencing 'GAYBY Boom'
Just one stastic: "A report last month by the Urban Institute, based of 2000 census data, found more than 67,000 male same-sex couples with children and 167,000 female couples."

Remember that this was well before the Sumpreme courts decision last week!

It is quite an article, you all need to get it & read it! Think of 'kids' growing up having parents hugging & kissing of the same sex? (or what else?) O' yes, remember AIDS?
OK, now send all these lambies to school together for their education?

And cival rights?? Of course this has now all got to be open to the T.V. public! And most assuredly coupled together with the race question, so it can have some merit & keep afloat!

And who really cares in todays professed 'christian' society, anyway???
This could never of happened if God was in charge! See Joshua 7:12's last part of verse!  

---John

[nChrist]

And who really cares in todays professed 'christian' society, anyway???
This could never of happened if God was in charge! See Joshua 7:12's last part of verse!  

---John

Oklahoma Howdy to John,

I think there are quite a few people who care about what's going on in America. The doubt comes in when you ask how many of them are willing to send an e-mail or telephone their representatives. Signing petitions is pretty easy, but you do have to put your name and address on it. I don't know if it is apathy, fear, or what that prevents Christians from standing up and saying, "THAT IS WRONG - I WON'T TOLERATE THAT."

I do stand up and will continue doing so for the rest of my years. If I get knocked down, I'll get back up. I honestly think that one of the biggest problems in America is WIMPY CHRISTIANS who look the other way and remain silent when they should have been BOLD, LOUD, and DEMANDING.

Soapbox mode off, let's get back to the whining. Yes, things may get worse, and they certainly will in the end days. However, that is not a license for Christians to abandon morals, values, ethics, AND RESPONSIBILITY. Why don't we talk about responsibility AND NOT GO QUIETLY.

In Christ.

[John the Baptist]

And who really cares in todays professed 'christian' society, anyway???
This could never of happened if God was in charge! See Joshua 7:12's last part of verse!  

---John

Oklahoma Howdy to John,

I think there are quite a few people who care about what's going on in America. The doubt comes in when you ask how many of them are willing to send an e-mail or telephone their representatives. Signing petitions is pretty easy, but you do have to put your name and address on it. I don't know if it is apathy, fear, or what that prevents Christians from standing up and saying, "THAT IS WRONG - I WON'T TOLERATE THAT."

I do stand up and will continue doing so for the rest of my years. If I get knocked down, I'll get back up. I honestly think that one of the biggest problems in America is WIMPY CHRISTIANS who look the other way and remain silent when they should have been BOLD, LOUD, and DEMANDING.

Soapbox mode off, let's get back to the whining. Yes, things may get worse, and they certainly will in the end days. However, that is not a license for Christians to abandon morals, values, ethics, AND RESPONSIBILITY. Why don't we talk about responsibility AND NOT GO QUIETLY.

In Christ.

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John here:
Soapbox mode off??? ... Why don't we talk about responsilbility and not go guietly?

Is this what you think that I am not doing?? Going quietly?

Personally 'i' see the Master involved [inside] His Virgin denomination, not inside or outside government, cleaning it up.
See Matt. 10:5-6 & then read Eze. 9. And the command of CHRIST in Matt. 28:20??

And then we see INSPIRATION OF HIS WORD'S in Rev. 18:4 telling CAESAR (?) that to be in yoked membership makes one a LOST PARTAKER of their evil if they stay in its membership!
Surely, that is a church woman (denomination) in the verse! Like with 'daughters' as seen in Rev. 17.

---John

[Symphony]

Hi, bep.  Welcome back.

Nope, it's not a very pretty picture.  I agree with John; it's getting, and going to get, a lot uglier, I'm afraid.

I've many kin, many with young children.  So I don't discuss it much anymore.  As one said to me, "We only want to hear good news."  We seem to have reached a saturation point; with young parents they don't want to hear about it.  Not that I blame them.

Of course, the gospel is just that, "good news", and thank you Jesus for that.

But taking part in our economy, and even socially, increasingly very questionable.  And many churches are really just social clubs, it seems.  

[nChrist]

John here:
Soapbox mode off??? ... Why don't we talk about responsilbility and not go guietly?

Is this what you think that I am not doing?? Going quietly?

Oklahoma Howdy to John The Baptist,

That was a GENERAL statement not directed at anyone, certainly not you. I would have to admit that I GO TOO QUIETLY sometimes when I hear or see something obviously wrong. Very generally, I was trying to encourage all Christians to stand up and be counted when they should, including myself.

In my opinion, standing up is a Christian responsibility, even if it is hard, unpleasant, and with consequences. Yes, I would like to talk about Christian responsibilities, and I wish that all Christians started talking about their responsibilities.

Generally speaking, Christians are getting a reputation for being wimpy, whining, and simply retreating to their closet or hiding when that question of responsibility comes up. Christians will not prevent the horrible things that happen in the end times, but I believe they have a responsibility to stand up and be counted for what is right.

John, I think and hope that you will be one of those who stand up. I'll post a message below about Christian responsibility and see if there is any interest.

In Christ.

[Brother Love]

Quote blackeyedpeas:  Christians will not prevent the horrible things that happen in the end times, but I believe they have a responsibility to stand up and be counted for what is right.


Right On Brother

Brother Love

[nChrist]

Hi, bep.  Welcome back.

Nope, it's not a very pretty picture.  I agree with John; it's getting, and going to get, a lot uglier, I'm afraid.

Oklahoma Howdy to Symphony,

I've had monster computer problems, but I've also spent quite a bit of time with a new grandson born on May 29th.

I really don't think we've seen UGLY yet, but I think it is coming. There may come a time when Christians will face death for standing up and claiming Jesus or making a statement about right and wrong. I hope and pray that multitudes of Christians will STAND TALL when and if that time comes in our lifetimes. Some of the most fierce warriors in history were Christians, and I pray there will be masses ready to put on God's armor and go if the time comes.

I might also add that some of the LOUDEST and most DEMANDING public figures in history were Christians. They were not ashamed of HIS WORD or to take a BOLD and HARSH stance on right and wrong.

There are dozens of grossly wrong things that are happening or are in the making that don't appear to be addressed. Oh, there might be some politically correct public figures that hint something is wrong.

Again, this is a very general statement. I would hope and pray that many people on this forum would boldly tell it like it is if given the opportunity.

LET'S START A CHRISTIANS COME OUT OF THE CLOSET MOVEMENT!

In Christ.

[Brother Love]

Hi, bep.  Welcome back.

Nope, it's not a very pretty picture.  I agree with John; it's getting, and going to get, a lot uglier, I'm afraid.

Oklahoma Howdy to Symphony,

I've had monster computer problems, but I've also spent quite a bit of time with a new grandson born on May 29th.

I really don't think we've seen UGLY yet, but I think it is coming. There may come a time when Christians will face death for standing up and claiming Jesus or making a statement about right and wrong. I hope and pray that multitudes of Christians will STAND TALL when and if that time comes in our lifetimes. Some of the most fierce warriors in history were Christians, and I pray there will be masses ready to put on God's armor and go if the time comes.

I might also add that some of the LOUDEST and most DEMANDING public figures in history were Christians. They were not ashamed of HIS WORD or to take a BOLD and HARSH stance on right and wrong.

There are dozens of grossly wrong things that are happening or are in the making that don't appear to be addressed. Oh, there might be some politically correct public figures that hint something is wrong.

Again, this is a very general statement. I would hope and pray that many people on this forum would boldly tell it like it is if given the opportunity.

LET'S START A CHRISTIANS COME OUT OF THE CLOSET MOVEMENT!

In Christ.

Amen Brother

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Brother Love

[John the Baptist]

Hi, bep.  Welcome back.

Nope, it's not a very pretty picture.  I agree with John; it's getting, and going to get, a lot uglier, I'm afraid.

Oklahoma Howdy to Symphony,

I've had monster computer problems, but I've also spent quite a bit of time with a new grandson born on May 29th.

I really don't think we've seen UGLY yet, but I think it is coming. There may come a time when Christians will face death for standing up and claiming Jesus or making a statement about right and wrong. I hope and pray that multitudes of Christians will STAND TALL when and if that time comes in our lifetimes. Some of the most fierce warriors in history were Christians, and I pray there will be masses ready to put on God's armor and go if the time comes.

I might also add that some of the LOUDEST and most DEMANDING public figures in history were Christians. They were not ashamed of HIS WORD or to take a BOLD and HARSH stance on right and wrong.

There are dozens of grossly wrong things that are happening or are in the making that don't appear to be addressed. Oh, there might be some politically correct public figures that hint something is wrong.

Again, this is a very general statement. I would hope and pray that many people on this forum would boldly tell it like it is if given the opportunity.

LET'S START A CHRISTIANS COME OUT OF THE CLOSET MOVEMENT!

In Christ.

Amen Brother

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