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What are we to make of these Islamists fanatics?
I understand being upset when atheist liberals are constantly taking liberties with Jesus and or Mohammad, but these people have a severe propensity for violence at the tip of a hat.

Is it a mental issue? is it driven by fanatical leaders with agendas who whip these folks into a frenzy?
I've heard Muslims try to defend these actions by saying "well if it were done to Jews or Christians the reaction would be the same" no it wouldn't...Jesus has been viciously attacked in the media for many, many years. Christians get rightfully angry and participate in peaceful protests at the worst, but we never see this type of reaction. Why is that? What is the fundamental difference from Christian fundies and Islamists fundies? These people are raving lunatics, these folks are legitimizing the global fear of this religion.

We are blessed in Canada to have the most intelligent and reasonable Muslims on the planet. There was some peaceful protests and rightfully so, those cartoons were not acceptable. Finally I hear Muslims condemning the actions of the lunatics, it's been a long time coming.
I believe there is a real and legitimate fear of reprisals. That's why the moderates don't get to loud with any condemnation of the fundamentals. They know it could cost them their heads.

Truth be told, this type of violence is not new to Islam. Some of these people have not been honest, or they are blind to the facts. This has been going on from the very beginning of Islam. It's the reason why the crusades were initiated. I'm not trying to legitimize some of the horrible atrocities, which occurred during the crusades, but it wasn't all directed at Muslims. Much of the worst instances were actually directed toward the Jews.

This is the birth pains my friends. This stuff is going to launch us into the final world war. It's actually already begun. Iran will be attacked. The U.S. and allies are pushing for Iraq's troops to get trained as quickly as possible so the allied forces can be rallied. Iran is going to get hit, and that will start the chain reaction.

Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Egypt, Syria etc, have their battle plans down pat, and are ready and willing to take control...at least that's what they think is going to happen. I believe the U.S. and the most powerful allies will be forced to sit back and watch Israel get attacked over and over once all the evil nations join forces on the global landscape. I believe the weapons, which were in Iraq, are in position in Syria, Iran and Palestine just waiting to be used. The states will be made ineffective by electro magnetic pulse attack, and that will be it for them and the allies. The Bible clearly points out all the countries specifically and we aren’t in the picture, so a little logical conjecture gives us a good idea of what's coming.


Bronzesnake

Brother, I did some research, do you know. If the islamic forces in the mid-east banded together, they would have an army of almost 2 million soldiers. They lack, a bit more then 19,500 to make a 2 million army.

I was suprised to find that fact out, when I started adding up the forces of these countries.

I don't think that will happen, as Bush will support Israel.

Also it is great to see you on the forum brother.
Bob

Hello Bronzesnake,

Brother John, it's great to see you posting on the forum. YES, I do think we are at least looking at a preview of the end of this Age of Grace. There are various disagreements about what this would mean for Christians, but GOD will be with us regardless of the timing and sequence of events. It gives me great peace to simply know that I belong to JESUS regardless of what happens. This places a huge burden on my heart for those who are lost.

YES, I do believe that the CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST will be Raptured Home with JESUS before the time of great wrath begins, SO, that could really be at any time. Tonight would be GREAT for the children of God, and that would make me very happy.

If Christians are to remain here much longer, I would simply pray that GOD softens the hearts of those who are lost. I would also pray that GOD gives us the strength, guidance, and courage to share the GOOD NEWS until the moment HE takes us home.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Galatians 2:16 NASB  nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Hey BRNZ!  Glad to see you back on the board brother.


Interesting topic too!   

It is great to see you again Brother.



I would say it is a heart issue.



Yes, these fanatics are falsifying the cartoons into much worse than they were and are using them for political reasons to bring their people up in arms against Israel and the U.S. Yes, at least three of those cartoons that are being displayed by certain Imams are fake ones that were never printed in any newspaper.

DUDE!! So good to see you back up and typing!   :D ;)

I tend to feel that it's far more than just mental or heart.  I believe it's prophetic:


The decendants of Ishmael are historically the Arab peoples...Good to see you again bro!   :)

I agree. Neither Christians or Jews have reacted in this way. I think part of the reason is that Muslims view Allah as a rather pitiful helpless God. He can't defend himself and so has to be defended by his followers' violent acts.

I have an acquaintance who was in both Iraq and Afganistan. He claimed all Muslim men were homosexuals as they were constantly propositioning him, in spite of the fact the Koran forbids it. He said they believe if they engage in sinful acts at night that Allah is either asleep or can't see them in the dark, so they are free to do whatever they want. A god of this sort isn't much of a god. Christianity doesn't have a limited God, so Christians don't feel a need to use violence to "defend God's honor" as He is perfectly able to do it Himself.


Numbers don't mean much in modern warfare. A few nukes can wipe out such an army, as can a disease. Large numbers of uneducated, untrained people are more a liability than anything else. They have to be fed and provided for and the logistics in wartime can be overwhelming. Take out the mideast's few water sources and their army would be in real trouble, much less the civilian population.

Furthermore, they will never "band together" for long as the only thing they hate more than us is each other. Iran, for instance, is neither Arab nor Sunni and unlikely to band together with either. In fact, Iran's drive to get an atomic bomb may have a lot less to do with Israel than with it's surrounding Sunni neighbors.

Hello Rhys yes they will band together. When they all attack Israel...............

Ezekiel 38:3-5  3 And say, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, chief prince (ruler) of Rosh, of Meshech, and of Tubal.  4 And I will turn you back and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you forth and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them handling swords--  5 Persia, Cush, and Put or Libya with them, all of them with shield and helmet,

Ezekiel 38:7-9 7 You [Gog] be prepared; yes, prepare yourself, you and all your companies that are assembled about you, and you be a guard and a commander for them. 8 After many days you shall be visited and mustered [for service]; in the latter years you shall go against the land that is restored from the ravages of the sword, where people are gathered out of many nations upon the mountains of Israel, which had been a continual waste; but its [people] are brought forth out of the nations and they shall dwell securely, all of them. 9 You shall ascend and come like a storm; you shall be like a cloud to cover the land, you and all your hosts and many people with you.

Ezekiel 39:6-7 6  I will send fire on Magog and upon those who dwell securely in the coastlands, and they shall know, understand, and realize that I am the Lord [the Sovereign Ruler, Who calls forth loyalty and obedient service].  7 And I will make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel, and I will not let them profane My holy name any more; and the nations shall know, understand, and realize that I am the Lord, the Holy One of Israel.
Ezekiel 39:11  11 And in that day, I will give to Gog a place for burial there in Israel, the valley of those who pass through on the east side in front of the [Dead] Sea [the highway between Syria, Petra, and Egypt], and it will delay and stop those who pass through. And there shall they [a]bury Gog and all his multitude, and they shall call it the Valley of Hamon-gog [multitude of Gog].
Daniel 11:13 For the king of the North shall raise a multitude greater than [he had] before, and after some years shall certainly return, coming with a great army and much substance and equipment.

It needs to be remembered that, it is Arabs are leading the attack. Though Russia is a willing member of the pack. Who shall be destroyed, when they attack Israel.  Gog and Magog, are destroyed.......

Russia, knows if nuclear bombs are used, America would respond in kind. Though if Iran used nuclear bombs, nothing would happen again, for one reason.

Ezekiel 39:2-5  2 And I will turn you about and will lead you on, and will cause you to come up from the uttermost parts of the north and will lead you against the mountains of Israel;  3 And I will smite your bow from your left hand and will cause your arrows to fall out of your right hand.  4 You shall fall [dead] upon the mountains of Israel, you and all your hosts and the peoples who are with you. I will give you to the ravenous birds of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.  5 You shall fall in the open field, for I have spoken [it], says the Lord God.

You don't perchance live in the Indianapolis, IN area and play Axis and Allies, do you?  ;D  Cuz, ooooooh would I ever like to play you!   :D  Seriously though, you can have the technology, but you need men on the ground to win a war.  You can win every battle with technology but it takes manpower to win the war and hold the ground.  Fundamentals of warfare my friend.  Fundamentals.  So, wanna play A&A?   ;D (I'm just playin' around  ;))

First of all...Thank you my friends! It is good to be home again! :D

I do believe that all of North America will be absent from the final attack on Israel from Russia and the kingdoms of the East.
U.s. and allied power are the only thing keeping the attacks from happening now, or the past.

I believe the Rapture will severely deplete much of North America's populace, and the resulting confusion and chaotic atmosphere the Rapture will cause will leave us open to a final powerful and effective attack from our enemies.
It doesn't take much technological resource to launch an E.M.P. weapon. A small fishing vessel with a minimal crew is a very effective way of launching such an attack, and that will be it for the scattered allied forces - those left behind will be left vulnerable, and will be forced to stand by and watch as the remaining world powers take their revenge out on Israel.

This is why we read these nations pounding Israel in the pages of Revelation and other end times passages without any sign of any intervention from any allied forces. It's Israel against the kings of the North and the kings of the East.

Bronzesnake

Hey now!  No A&A (will have to look into that) but anyone like Chess?   Woohoo!  Thats my game of war....and perfect example of required force needed for winning...of course if you could launch a nuke from the starting position in chess the other side is wiped out (check mate?), which I think is the idea that Rhys is saying.   


Either way, I have always thought that world leaders should be required to play chess over world issues lol.    How simple and bloodless would that be?  :D


So where can I read about this A&A game?

This particular war is difficult to fight because so far there are no specific nations to confront but factions within the many nations yet they have a network that comprises some of the most advanced technology. They also have a unity that is based on hatred. A very strong, driving force that unifies them in their objective, to destroy or subjugate all others that do not accept their beliefs. Even though it is true that the Muslims fight amongst themselves they do have that one objective in common that can and will unite them.

When this group gets really dangerous is when they start taking control of nations that have the facilities to become powerful. This is foretold in the Bible and this is seen taking place as we speak.

I used to play a lot of such board games as A&A. Risk, Risk Godstorm, Streets of Stalingrad, Eastern Front .......

Something that they all lack is a complete real world situations strategy where all situations are taken into account. Another thing that they lack which is even more important is they do not take into account that God said these things will come to pass. As we all know God does not lie and these things will come according to His will. Mans "war strategies" no matter how good they may be will not make a difference.

For anyone who hasn't seen the cartoons, they can be seen here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/animalmagazine/sets/72057594059300225/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/animalmagazine/sets/72057594059300225/)

But the following photos are what I wanted to share:
(http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/behead.jpg)
(http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/slaybutcher.jpg)
(http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/911euro.jpg)

I found these here:
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004448.htm (http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004448.htm)
And there are more.  :-X

Those are the cartoons that were actually posted in the newspaper. They are not the ones used by certain Imams to incite the violent uprisings.

Those cartoons and posters are exactly the sort of thing that will unite the muslims together in hatred.

Hello Brother John,

I believe the same thing. I know that many Christians disagree, and that's fine. Daniel's prophecy was determined against Israel, not the CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST. It is my firm opinion that GOD didn't prepare HIS CHURCH for HIS WRATH. If we are wrong, GOD will be with us regardless.

I think that we are seeing something global develop, and it appears to be getting more clear by the day. There are plans right now to make the world bow down to a false god, the false god of Islam. If I am still here, I will refuse to the death - plain and simple. I've seen many conversations about what could be the mark of the beast during the Tribulation Period, and I'm beginning to think that it might have something to do with Islam. All kinds of technology already exists to fulfill the Biblical requirements of the "mark of the beast". So, the "how" already has many answers, it's just a matter of "when". I also firmly believe that the end of this age events will be fulfilled perfectly, according to Bible Prophecy and at GOD'S appointed time. I'm positive that no man or nation can delay or hasten GOD'S appointed time by a second.

Brothers and Sisters, there is a lot of confusion about what is meant by "the end of this age". According to the Holy Bible, we are living in the Age of Grace. The Gospel of the Grace of God is the focal point for this age. To put it more simply, JESUS, the Cross, God's Grace, God's Love, and God's Gift of JESUS CHRIST on the Cross is the focal point of this age. Almighty God has shown the ultimate Love, Grace, and patience in this age, but we should also know that our Great and All Powerful God is a GOD of Great WRATH. The end of this age will signal the beginning of a time when the Great Restrainer (Holy Spirit) will no longer hold in check the forces of evil. Great Wrath from the devil and from GOD will be poured out on the people of the earth. Brothers and Sisters, I think this time grows near. Regardless of the time, there should always be an urgency for Christians to share the GOOD NEWS of the Gospel of the Grace of God. There should always be a heavy burden on the hearts of Christians for lost family members, lost friends, and all lost people that we come accross. AND, it is always time for us to give thanks that we belong to JESUS.


Love In Christ,
Tom


1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Rom 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Sorry, I was never much of a gamer and have never played Axis and Allies!

"you need men on the ground to win a war" That depends on what you mean by "win". If you want to occupy a country (like Iraq) you need lots of manpower, a fact our leaders overlooked. Our objective was not to "win" but to overthrow Saddam and institute a democratic government and create a stable, friendly state. We could have "won" without a soldier setting foot on the ground by launching a dozen or so ICBM's equipped with high yield warheads, taking out most of the military and all of the infastructure needed for a functioning economy, preventing the military from being rebuilt in the foreseeable future. Unleashing a plague would wipe out most of the remaining population, if necessary.

Understand I am not recommending such a war nor would I want to see one, but if the West was facing a 2 million man army and in danger of being overrun do you really believe it would refrain from using any weapons it has available?


I agree that North America seems to be absent in Biblical accounts of Armageddon. I don't think this wlll be because of an EMP attack, which I would rate as a risk with the Y2K crisis. An EMP attack might hinder parts of the US but wouldn't cripple it.

The Islamist strategy, as put forward by Bin Laden, is to bleed America dry economically. Once America's economy is gone, it can no longer support a military force capable of intervening worldwide, allowing Bin Laden to achieve his goal of overthrowing Saudi Arabia and establishing an Islamic caliphate. If you look at our deficit and where the economy is headed, Bin Laden seems to be winning.. The rapture will undoubtedly decrease the population to some extent worldwide, but it is doubtful that it will deplete any country to a siignificant extent - Christians are a small minority everywhere, including North America.

While the Bible doesn't mention America it is important to note it also doesn't mention Islam. I grew up in the era when most Christians believed Communism was the system of the Antichrist and they interpreted everything in prophecy accordingly. I remember a friend ranting about Communism and I told him it was a dead horse, Islam was the next great enemy we would face (this was before the fall of the Berlin wall). He just blew me off and went on about Communism.

It now seems that Islam has replaced communism in Christians' minds, but I don't believe Islam fits the system of the Antichrist or with Scripture. Moslems would never worship the Beast. The Bible never stated Russia would attack Israel. The 'kings of the north" in scripture almost always refers to the Media-Persia area. Gog, Magog, and Meschech are interpreted by some to include Russia, but there isn't much firm basis for the interpretation. Plus Russia is no longer Athiestic and isn't Islamic either. There are probably as many or more Christians there as in America.

Note in the Scriptural accounts of Armageddon that horses and wooden weapons are used. This would indicate that the technological civilization we now inhabit has collapsed, though some of its weapons may remain. It is possible that an all out war between Islam and the West will destroy both, along with modern civilization, leaving the way open for the rise of the antichrist.

While it is fun to speculate on these things, we need to avoid getting too dogmatic. Unless one of us is a prophet, while we know generally what God is bringing about from Scripture, we don't know the exact details of how He is going to do it.


Amen!

Hi Rhys


Here I must disagree with you. Islam is well known for worshipping false prophets. If a prophet comes doing wondrous things, portraying himself as a messiah this would be a definite possibility. Many Moslems already show this with a false prophet called Maitrieya (sp) that has presented himself to them in the last few years.



Here I agree with you somewhat although I consider it more than just "fun". We are told to watch. Part of watching is to look at the things that are going on around us. To see what is happening and comparing it to the things that God told us would happen.

Matthew 24: 42 - 45: We are told to watch, but the motivation is that we will be doing Christ's will when he comes. I have seen too many Christians become so totally obsessed with the End Times that they neglect Christ's work and spend all their energy on what is happening in the world and how it fits in with prophecy. I guess my point is that we should be doing Christ's will - whether today is the end times or 2000 years from now doesn't really matter in that regard and we can't do anything about it anyway. In Matthew 24:36 and 42 Christ said no man knows when the end is. We should always be ready for it could be today, but dogmatically tying it to certain economic systems or religions that exist at present can lead us into error.

AMEN!!

Hello Rhys,

Most of the people I know who study Bible Prophecy know there are a lot of unknowns and are open to study various reasonable alternatives. Many Christians do get somewhat dogmatic when someone starts hollering that everyone who believes in the Rapture is a heretic - or like statements. I believe that the Rapture is an absolute Biblical fact, but the timing and sequence of events involves some reasonable questions. I, for one, don't believe there is any reason for one Christian to call another Christian a heretic if they don't agree about specifics in Bible prophecy. It's fascinating to have Bible studies in Prophecy, but only if the name callers are absent from the study and discussion.

Rhys, we have managed to have many fascinating and excellent Bible studies on prophecy. Nearly all of the people we have who become involved have no interest in calling anyone names or making fun of someone because they have a different belief. It is fun to have an open mind and study the reasons and Biblical references for various beliefs. You probably already know that most studies in Bible Prophecy are very difficult and time consuming. So, most of the participants already love Bible study, and they don't mind spending the time to study various beliefs. Further, they simply want a pleasant Bible study with other Brothers and Sisters in Christ. Disagreements should not be allowed to spoil the fellowship, and the more mature Christians are quite capable of having discussions about differences in a loving manner.

Love in Christ,
Tom

Proverbs 13:22 NASB  A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children, And the wealth of the sinner is stored up for the righteous.

It's alot of fun.  Takes about 4 hours to play a game though.  There is also a PC version of the game.  But, here's the link:

http://www.timegate.com/aa/ (http://www.timegate.com/aa/)

Enjoy!   :)

Rhys quote


Hello my friend.

First of all, I agree, it will take a combined effort to knock America out of action. The E.M.P. weapon is just one tool of combined strategical effort. However, I believe the E.M.P. will be more effective than you believe it will be. A more effective tool will be the Arabs ability to cut off the flow of oil from the allied forces. A strategically timed E.M.P. attack will make an attempted ceasure of any oil field or depot by the allies virtually impossible. That's just one example of how effective the E.M.P. weapon can be.

North America has the largest Christian population in the world. Over 70% of U.S. citizens alone claim to be Christian.
Communism is not dead my friend. I submit that Mr.Putin and his friends are still communist, and are working very closely and behind the scenes with communist China. These two countries alone combine to make a fierce military force without the aid of any Arab nations. The fact is that the former republics of the USSR, Russai, China, Eastern Europe, and the Arabs will all attack Israel. This is fact because God says it is.


Yes, the Bible does state that Russia will attack Israel. You are misinformed about the Kings of the North and God and Magog my friend.

More than twenty-five hundred years ago, Ezekiel prophesied about an invasion by Russia (called "Magog") and her allies that would occur during the last days, "after many days." He said that after Israel was reborn as a nation, Russia and her allies would attack her in a violent attempt to completely annihilate the Jewish state. Naturally, Ezekiel did not describe the present nations of Russia, Germany, Syria, and Iraq by their modern names. Rather, he referred to them by the names of the ancient tribes that occupied the geographical territories of the present nations at the time of his writing. The prophecies found in Ezekiel, chapter 38 and 39, describe this massive, future Russian-Arab invasion of Israel and the spectacular defeat of the enemies of the Jews by the supernatural act of God.

The Lord warned the leader of Russia in these words addressed to Gog, the ruler of Magog (Russia):

Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them. After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee. (Ezekiel 38:7­9)

Many of the tribal names in Ezekiel 38 are recorded in the book of Genesis. Following the Flood, Noah's sons and grandsons dispersed to various parts of Asia, Europe, and Africa. Genesis 10 records the ancient genealogy of the nations, naming the tribes descended from Noah's children, later referred to by Ezekiel. Ancient historians, including Herodotus and Flavius Josephus in his Antiquities of the Jews, tell us where most of these tribes ultimately settled.

If we use the Bible as our source of information, we can understand with certainty where these ancient nations are.

The land of Magog - Russia

Meshech and Tubal - Somewhere in Russia

Persia - Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan

Ethiopia - Ethiopia and Sudan

Libya - Libya

Ashkenaz - Austria and Germany

Gomer - Eastern Europe

Togarmah - Southeastern Europe - Turkey

"Many peoples with thee" - Various other nations allied to Russia


Bronzesnake

"U.s. and allied power are the only thing keeping the attacks from happening now, or the past."

Israel has managed quiet well defending herself, physically, in the past with out America's physical power. America has only supplied her with much dollars and sold her military equipment. It is America's money and technology in superior weaponry that aid Israel in forgoing attack and the ability to defend using her manpower. The Iraeli soldier is one of the best in the world.

My thoughts on it.

ollie

Hi Ollie, long time, no see.

The best warrior, is Christ. Christ said, he would liberate Israel and I believe it.

Resting in the hands, of the Lord.
Bob

Hi,

Yes Christ is the only warrior for redemption back to God. He leads in the battle for victory over satan and faith is the victory.

Christ offers liberation and victory to the Jew now. Many refuse especially secular Israel.

Absolutely Ollie.

Here's a wee side note...

Ezekiel was given an astonishingly accurate prophetic vision about the rebirth of the nation of Israel that would occur in the spring of 1948, as detailed in chapter 3. He foretold that Israel would arise miraculously from the graveyard of the nations, where she was buried with the ruins of Jerusalem in a.d. 70 by the Roman army led by Titus. Incredibly, God promised that the Jews, after almost two thousand years of exile, would return to the Promised Land. The ancient prophets also foretold that the Jewish exiles would become "a mighty army" in her ancient homeland. In 1948, Israel triumphed against an invasion by six well-armed Arab armies. Israel's military forces consisted of a small, voluntary citizen army composed of unskilled farmers and scholars who were equipped with inadequate weapons, a few jeeps, and two small airplanes. Israel's armored force consisted of several vehicles captured from her enemies, including trucks with improvised steel plates. Yet, like David's miraculous victory over Goliath, God supernaturally intervened to allow a weak Israel to survive and prosper, defeating her Arab enemies against incredible odds.

Did you know that the first nation to formally recognize the state of Israel was Russia? in 1948 Joseph Stalin hoped that Israel would become a socialist nation and help offset the growing influence that the Western powers exercised in the Middle East. However, as Stalin soon came to realize, Israel would not become a Russian pawn, so Russia quickly turned to the Arabs and encouraged their hatred toward the Jewish state.

So, as in the past, today Russia, along with her Arab and Eastern aliies, are once again planning to destroy Israel.
We are in agreement that Israel is a powerful military nation that has handled herself very well in the past in the face of exceedingly grave odds. With the hand of God Israel has managed to keep the wolf at bay. So it's not as if Israel needs America to fend off Israel's enemies, God will see to that. It's the impression that the enemies have, that they can not attack Israel while the American's and her allies are at Israel's side which keeps them from attacking now, and has kept the attack from happening in the past. Russia did not physically get involved in the attack in 1948, although she did encourage and support the Aran effort. Russia did not get involved because of America and the allies. If Russia had have gotten involved, America and the allies would have also joined into battle.

So now, Russia and her friends have spent decades living with the American and allied foot on their throats. They have been busy working behind the scenes building up an impressive military force with American money! A combined effort by these nations, and the fact that U.S. and allied forces are spread dangerously thin around the world will be enough to break the allied back. The time is right for this attack to be successful.

Take care my friend.

Bronzesnake

Hey Dude!   :)  By "win" I mean "win".   ;D  We can effectively wipe anyone out technologically, and leave a void on their militaristic and governmental fronts.  A void that would be filled by...?  I should wait on this or turn this into a PM discussion as it's off topic in the thread.  I'm just enjoying the conversation with you!

I've heard it said before that islam (small "i" was intentional) is more of a political philosophy than it is religious, even though it has within its makeup a religious dynamic. They also have no hope upon which they can trust, like we have in Christ.

Every works-based system of salvation always looks upon any criticism of its beliefs and icons as being an attack of the people in taht religion personally. Those within islam just so happen to be more violent than others. Those within mormonism also cop the martyr syndrome when anyone offers criticism of the inconsistencies in the mormonic theology.

I always make it a point to use a "i".

Such is the ways, of cults. A cult denies what they don't want, and tosses it away. Leaving them with an abstract of what was truth, into little more then lies.

forgive me for sounding a bit pompous but have any of you fine people ever read the koran. It gets me hot under the collar when i hear people say we are at war with extremist...yeah they are called muslims. This is a ideology that must be wiped off the face of the earth. Think of it as a Crusade.

Yes I have read the koran. :(

If we as Christians did this, then we would be no better then islamic faith. The Crusade, brought out the worst in Christians, not the best.

I, too have read the koran. And if anyone that has read the Bible they would know that islam will not be wiped off the face of the earth until the retun of Jesus.

Dreamweaver and Pastor Rogers... I know as moderators you have the power to boot me,That being said What was wrong with the Crusades? We got a lot Saints out of it and never was Christianity more unified. You do agree that christian unity is a good thing don't you?

I didn't say anything about the crusades.

sorry pastor...my bad. I was just acknowleging you moderatinghood.

Yes Christian unity is a good thing. Look at the treasure seekers the Crusader were. If you look at the Bible you will know, islam will not be wiped out. That is the job of the Lord. The Rider on the White Horse Revelation 19:11-16
 11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter."[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

[bRevelation 19:17-21
17[/b] And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great."

 19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

You know Dreamweaver. Most Catholics don't know what to make of the book of revelations and the clergy are not to keen to comment on it. Lets just say it is a book that leaves itself open to intrerpretation and I myself will never be knowledgeable enough to interpret it.

Then I would suggest a new Church, if they don't know the book of Revelations.


I have studied Revelations, what it is, is the battle plan of Christ. I study Prophecy and if you aren't understanding it, you really need to learn. As it deals with the last stages of mankind. It also deals with the RCC, which is why we don't allow Catholic doctrine on the forum.

whoa... are there no catholics on this forum...I am the only one? :'(

YUP! ;D

pastor was telling me about a catholic/protestant war on the board. how could there been a war with no catholics.
what did you do to them? Oh well...at least we have the supreme court.

I didn't do anything to them. The Catholics that were here left. The Catholics wanted to make everyone know they are right and Protestants wrong. It even got down to name calling on the forum, I will NOT allow that to happen, while I am here as a moderator.

I wasn't a moderator at that time. I tried to keep the peace, between both groups. Thats another reason I don't follow mans doctrine, but the Bible.

I called someone a lefty. was that bad? i feel guilty :'(

How you feel is the feeling you got from God. If you really feel guilty, then it is bad. Yes, I know who you called a lefty as well. Thats why I said he is Politically Incorrect, he follows Gods teachings, not mans doctrine.

Make an apology to him, in the same thread, (topic)